Yes, in this particular argument, I think I knew for a fact that what happened would happen. It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong, it was the only legitimate decision they could possibly make on the subject. JMar claiming it’s not true, despite the outcome, does not discount that fact.
You can think that, but then you’re wrong, again.
We could still receive compensation, as unlikely as it is.
A pig could be shot out of a catapult, crash through your window, and land in your living room, as improbable as it is.
Impossible =/= improbable.
In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.
…why is my sig not displaying…
In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.
…why is my sig not displaying…
So then we agree you’re wrong, and that it was possible, good.
My guess is you haven’t studied the TOS enough.
If we don’t let the thread die we can show we haven’t let it go. Is that okay with you kal? Is it okay if we keep trying?
If we don’t let the thread die we can show we haven’t let it go. Is that okay with you kal? Is it okay if we keep trying?
I’ll take hopeful optimism over dreadful pessimism any day. I say we have two choices:
1) Keep voicing our concerns/issues until this thread gets a response or it’s closed.
2) Give up and stop trying.
One is easy while one takes time and energy, however some people don’t understand the value of time and energy it seems.
In a world of unlimited possibilities, you could, but you still won’t because that’s not how it works. Wishful thinking does not impact the decision making process. The decision was made before anyone ever brought it up here, and that wasn’t going to change. The question will also disappear before they ever need to be concerned with it. If you’re not looking in terms of months your view is too narrow. It was impossible, and it won’t happen.
…why is my sig not displaying…
So then we agree you’re wrong, and that it was possible, good.
My guess is you haven’t studied the TOS enough.
I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.
What about the TOS?
Ok. in response to Kal Spiro, he makes some valid points, but he also is getting a bit too technical in many ways.
I think the truth or meaning of quantum physics is not needed to understand this discussion.
I think both Moshari and Kal Spiro and even myself knew it was highly unlikley anything would be done in the next two days. The time frame simply isnt there, as evidenced by bugs which still made it through with a 4 month development cycle, The ship simply doesnt move that fast.
Kal also brings up the valid point that in all honesty this is a self healing wound for the most part. In a week some people will be back at max, in two weeks many will, in 3 weeks most of the hardcore s who didnt quit would most likely have gotten to a similar level.
However that doesnt make this thread pointless, it doesnt make the argument pointless. There was a possibility, that anet could have said, we wont have something now, but we will keep records and give these players something later.
Even in the event that didnt happen, it is still a worthy discussion, because it is still relevant. The fact is the game still must choose between evolving and expanding content. Currently they prefer evolving, which means they will have to answer this question again, and again.
What do we do when content gets obsoleted and players have value attached to these contents? What type of content should we evolve, and what should we expand?
It also touches on the issue, the needs of the many vs the needs of the few.
If we don’t let the thread die we can show we haven’t let it go. Is that okay with you kal? Is it okay if we keep trying?
I’m unclear what this has to do with me. I don’t dictate what you can and cannot do. I never have and I’ve never tried. If the question is a request that I butt out of whatever it is you have to say on the matter I won’t agree to that. If I think what your says is wrong I’ll remark, that’s all I’ve ever done.
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I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.
What about the TOS?[/quote]
Just because something didn’t happen doesn’t make it impossible. I’ll start with a very easy example.
You flip a coin. It lands on heads. You seem to argue that you knew it was going to be heads the whole time, and it was impossible to be tails because it didn’t happen. You are wrong, there was, roughly, a 50% chance for it to be tails.
Lets extrapolate that example even further. You flip a coin, I could argue that it is possible to land on the edge of the coin, neither falling to tails nor heads. You would say it’s impossible. But you would be wrong, just like this example, because improbable =/= impossible.
I should bring back my logic is hard signature.
Studying the TOS was an answer to your question about your sig
as aside, i think given the nature of the various instabilities, i think it would have in fact been a bad idea to give people access to level 50 without actually completing the content. It is in fact a very different experience getting from 31-50 now. In fact its very different going 1-30, although less so.
I could have spent that time working and getting money.
Would that have been preferable? If you had known six months ago that Fractal level would eventually be wiped to 30 and too bad for anyone that went beyond 30, would that have stopped you from going beyond 30? Would you have said “Screw it, I’m going to go to work instead. I’ll come back after the wipe.”? Or would you have done Fractals anyway, and maybe gone beyond 30 anyway because why not? It was harder and that difficulty made it more interesting to you. Would foreknowledge have changed your actions, or only your disposition about the results?
To be honest, I think I would have spent my time elsewhere and I would have a legendary already. I was un-employed and used it as a time-waster, but I also used it as something of a status symbol. I held fractal classes with guilds and would use my high fractal level as a way of showing that I knew what I was doing…and people did listen to me because of it. I taught an aweful lot of people how to do fractals as a group and did them with many different classes so that I could learn the ins / outs of each class and what to do for different situations in it. I considered myself an “expert” in fractals and others considered me that as well based off of my personal reward level. I had honestly thought that they were going to open up the “infinite” aspect of the fractals as well as increase the rewards (which would have increased the people doing them), by me having a higher PRL I would have stayed slightly ahead of all the newer players when this happened and my hard work would have paid off….I gambled and lost, I admit that, but it doesn’t mean that I don’t feel the loss, or feel that I was cheated…the most loss I feel is for the 20 levels below 50 because I felt these were “safe”. I always felt that the above 50 were a risk…it turns out none of them were safe.
I don’t have the time now to re-claim my levels. So they are truly gone for me.
Knowing it would all be wiped out…I would have worked on becoming an “expert” in dungeons instead and have a lot more money to show for it…or an expert at champ farming….
I don’t think “It was impossible, and won’t happen,” is any such admission. I’m not wrong, I know I’m not wrong because the only situation in which I would be wrong is actually the one where you got it. You didn’t, I’m not wrong.
What about the TOS?
Just because something didn’t happen doesn’t make it impossible. I’ll start with a very easy example.
You flip a coin. It lands on heads. You seem to argue that you knew it was going to be heads the whole time, and it was impossible to be tails because it didn’t happen. You are wrong, there was, roughly, a 50% chance for it to be tails.
Lets extrapolate that example even further. You flip a coin, I could argue that it is possible to land on the edge of the coin, neither falling to tails nor heads. You would say it’s impossible. But you would be wrong, just like this example, because improbable =/= impossible.
I should bring back my logic is hard signature.
Studying the TOS was an answer to your question about your sig
Actually I would say it’s unlikely. There is a possibility that if you flip a coin enough times the very matter that makes up the coin could spontaneously rearrange itself and the coin could come up broccoli.
None of this changes the fact that you were never going to be compensated for this by the time Fractured came out, and that the likelihood of you ever being compensated diminishes daily.
Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
Pretty sure noone in this thread demanded compensation with a deadline of the fractal patch. So you saying its impossible is wrong because you clearly assumed wrong.
None of this changes the fact that you were never going to be compensated for this by the time Fractured came out, and that the likelihood of you ever being compensated diminishes daily.
That’s the problem. Compensation given was never going to happen. Never. Period. You chose not to see the truth of that, but it is a reality. The only actually legitimate outcome in all this was 1) No compensation given. You can and have disagreed about this, but it is a fact and always has been.
Pretty inconsistent arguments.
In what alternate reality is compensation never ever going to happen, period, but the likelihood diminishes daily?
Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
I could have spent that time working and getting money.
Would that have been preferable? If you had known six months ago that Fractal level would eventually be wiped to 30 and too bad for anyone that went beyond 30, would that have stopped you from going beyond 30? Would you have said “Screw it, I’m going to go to work instead. I’ll come back after the wipe.”? Or would you have done Fractals anyway, and maybe gone beyond 30 anyway because why not? It was harder and that difficulty made it more interesting to you. Would foreknowledge have changed your actions, or only your disposition about the results?
To be honest, I think I would have spent my time elsewhere and I would have a legendary already. I was un-employed and used it as a time-waster, but I also used it as something of a status symbol. I held fractal classes with guilds and would use my high fractal level as a way of showing that I knew what I was doing…and people did listen to me because of it. I taught an aweful lot of people how to do fractals as a group and did them with many different classes so that I could learn the ins / outs of each class and what to do for different situations in it. I considered myself an “expert” in fractals and others considered me that as well based off of my personal reward level. I had honestly thought that they were going to open up the “infinite” aspect of the fractals as well as increase the rewards (which would have increased the people doing them), by me having a higher PRL I would have stayed slightly ahead of all the newer players when this happened and my hard work would have paid off….I gambled and lost, I admit that, but it doesn’t mean that I don’t feel the loss, or feel that I was cheated…the most loss I feel is for the 20 levels below 50 because I felt these were “safe”. I always felt that the above 50 were a risk…it turns out none of them were safe.
I don’t have the time now to re-claim my levels. So they are truly gone for me.
Knowing it would all be wiped out…I would have worked on becoming an “expert” in dungeons instead and have a lot more money to show for it…or an expert at champ farming….
you still have experience and knowledge. Its still more valued than dungeon experience and definately champ train experience.
But i do note, even had they not increased level, the addition of instabilities, various changes to mechanics, and 2 new bosses/3 new fractals is actually the biggest thing that would make you lose your expert title. Do you feel the should not have made these changes at all, even if you had kept your levels?
Because honestly, your level 50, doesnt actually mean you are an expert in levels 1-50 anymore. If people go to ask you about thaumanova, how to best fight molten at 40, or deal with exploding enemies in the cliffside fractal, you have no valid answers that a new expert, a new 50 would have?
Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
He would be unaffected by the changes. He can have his opinion, I never said he couldn’t. But I think it’s worth noting most/almost all of the people arguing against compensation wouldn’t receive it anyway.
Throughout this thread, the strongest supporters FOR the reset have been under level 40. Most of them under 30. IIRC, there was one person who was lvl 39 who didn’t really care either way.
Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
He would be unaffected by the changes. He can have his opinion, I never said he couldn’t. But I think it’s worth noting most/almost all of the people arguing against compensation wouldn’t receive it anyway.
this doesnt make their opinions less valid. It just gives you the context. I will say though that the context of someone who barely plays fractals versus someone who does it a lot is going to be pretty different
you still have experience and knowledge. Its still more valued than dungeon experience and definately champ train experience.
But i do note, even had they not increased level, the addition of instabilities, various changes to mechanics, and 2 new bosses/3 new fractals is actually the biggest thing that would make you lose your expert title. Do you feel the should not have made these changes at all, even if you had kept your levels?
Because honestly, your level 50, doesnt actually mean you are an expert in levels 1-50 anymore. If people go to ask you about thaumanova, how to best fight molten at 40, or deal with exploding enemies in the cliffside fractal, you have no valid answers that a new expert, a new 50 would have?
I’m not going to disagree with you there…the past experience would not help with the future experience, but isn’t that true with every aspect of life? If I had a history degree from 1960, it would still be a history degree even though a lot of “history” has changed since 1960. Even had I not finished my degree back 20 years ago, I could have still rolled the credits into an associates degree and have a degree….I would have something to show for the time and effort put in. By simply erasing the levels without any title or acknowledgement whatsoever it is like going to college for 4 years and earning enough credits for a degree…but then the college decides that they are changing the curriculum and as such, you now have to start over as a junior (1/2 way through college) to now obtain your degree once more that you qualified for with the previous curriculum…
Btw guys, I think this explains all we need to know about kal
My Fractal level is 5. That’s nothing at all. I typically run level 2, though, because I PUG and that’s what I get. I don’t want to do stuff with Agony since I have no resistance yet.
That’s not really fair, he is allowed his opinion…regardless of fractal level. It is true that he might not have the investment in time as some of us, but he is still welcome in the discussion. Nobody should be excluded and he could just have easily said his Fractal level was 50, we would not be able to verify, so I applaud his honesty.
He would be unaffected by the changes. He can have his opinion, I never said he couldn’t. But I think it’s worth noting most/almost all of the people arguing against compensation wouldn’t receive it anyway.
this doesnt make their opinions less valid. It just gives you the context. I will say though that the context of someone who barely plays fractals versus someone who does it a lot is going to be pretty different
Yes and no, sometimes an opinion is more valid. I’m not saying either way in this case.
Degree examples
This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.
Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.
The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.
In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
Degree examples
This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.
Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.
The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.
Did the actual content that they were teaching change just because they switched, and did the requirements for the degree retroactively change? Both of those things can be said to have occurred where the fractals are concerned.
In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
Agreed, and also irrelevant. The decisions of a company on how to deal with their customers, and the rate at which they are willing to push those decisions through have nothing in common with flipping a coin.
In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
Agreed, and also irrelevant. The decisions of a company on how to deal with their customers, and the rate at which they are willing to push those decisions through have nothing in common with flipping a coin.
However the concerns of the customers will affect a good company’s decisions.
In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
I think that all Kal has been meaning all along (please forgive me for speaking on your behalf Kal) was that there was never enough time to implement a major change, and that has been his stance, that no matter how much people wanted it, there simply was not time and as such it would never happen.
I personally disagree and posted in the past under that vein. If you look at my old posts, they started with more drastic changes when the devs had 1 week, and slowly moved towards simpler and simpler things as the week progressed to the point where they had only 1 day prior to the patch…where I suggested a title…which honestly could have been done patch day even. I worked with game developers for 5 years….I am simplifying this but basically it is a database Query (for fractal level) with a line of code added to anyone in the query into their “titles” bar, the longest part about this change was following through on a change process (requiring QA time, etc) before implementation.
Something COULD have happened prior to patch….but as the days went on, but it could never have been to the patch itself…it had to be “external” to the patch. Granting bonus chests is something outside of the patch and even bug-fix people can do that and have done that to make up for mistakes that were made (“i’m sorry we lost your gem-purchase, here are the gems purchased as well as a bonus chest for your trouble”).
Degree examples
This is actually still a very good example. My fiance and I went to the same college. One year before she graduated, they decided to switch from quarters to semesters.
Even though content and material changed due to this, she kept all her quarter credit, and finished up with semesters.
The university did not “reset her progress” back to freshman or sophomore year.
Did the actual content that they were teaching change just because they switched, and did the requirements for the degree retroactively change? Both of those things can be said to have occurred where the fractals are concerned.
Yes
I’m just still wondering why.people with the infinite tools were compensated despite not technically losing anything and we are forever ignored.
In what alternate reality does the word was indicate the future? You’re still being short sited.
I refuse to read your walls of texts anymore due to how erroneous you are.
If I said “This coin was never going to land on tails, ever, period” because it landed on heads. Well, that’s obviously wrong.
I think that all Kal has been meaning all along (please forgive me for speaking on your behalf Kal) was that there was never enough time to implement a major change, and that has been his stance, that no matter how much people wanted it, there simply was not time and as such it would never happen.
I personally disagree and posted in the past under that vein. If you look at my old posts, they started with more drastic changes when the devs had 1 week, and slowly moved towards simpler and simpler things as the week progressed to the point where they had only 1 day prior to the patch…where I suggested a title…which honestly could have been done patch day even. I worked with game developers for 5 years….I am simplifying this but basically it is a database Query (for fractal level) with a line of code added to anyone in the query into their “titles” bar, the longest part about this change was following through on a change process (requiring QA time, etc) before implementation.Something COULD have happened prior to patch….but as the days went on, but it could never have been to the patch itself…it had to be “external” to the patch. Granting bonus chests is something outside of the patch and even bug-fix people can do that and have done that to make up for mistakes that were made (“i’m sorry we lost your gem-purchase, here are the gems purchased as well as a bonus chest for your trouble”).
Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.
My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.
Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.
My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.
That’s a more understandable approach, even though I still disagree with it, I can’t say you are wrong.
Early you said it was not possible, in which case you were wrong.
Yes, and yes. I agree and said as much, they fully had the ability. I have no doubt what so ever that just about any programmer in the company could throw together a title, link it to people who had fractal level whatever and implement it in at least an hour.
My stance simply was that they have shown consistently that this is not how they operate and despite their ability to do it and the uproar that they should, they would not. They have a way they operate, and that’s not within their design.
That’s a more understandable approach, even though I still disagree with it, I can’t say you are wrong.
Early you said it was not possible, in which case you were wrong.
It’s the same thing. The possibility of you getting it was zero. They could do it, but they would not. It amounts to the same thing.
As long as the difficulty level is account wide now. I had 1 character at difficulty 32 and 7 alts that were at 0. This was a very nice update. Yes I am very pleased.
It’s the same thing. The possibility of you getting it was zero. They could do it, but they would not. It amounts to the same thing.
Wrong again! What a surprise.
Improbable =/= impossible.
Kal, so what do you know about the company that we don’t? They compensated those with the infinite tools, despite those people not actually losing anything, and they really didn’t actually have to do that. What made this case different? I’m seriously wondering where the difference is.
The difference is that the tools had to do with real money while Fractal levels did not.
The difference is that the tools had to do with real money while Fractal levels did not.
They weren’t compensated with real money.
The tool got better. It improved its functionality. And they got compensated. Regardless of real money, if they bought them with gold, they still were reimbursed gems.
This is the definition of Equity
eq·ui·ty
/?ekwit?/
nounnoun: equity
1. the quality of being fair and impartial.
“equity of treatment”
synonyms: fairness, justness, impartiality, egalitarianism;
objectivity, balance, open-mindedness•Law
a branch of law that developed alongside common law in order to remedy some of its defects in fairness and justice, formerly administered in special courts.•(in the US, UK, and several other countries) a trade union to which most professional actors belong.
singular proper noun: Equity; noun: Equity
2. the value of the shares issued by a company.
“he owns 62% of the group’s equity”
synonyms: value, worth;
ownership, rights, proprietorship
“he owns 25% of the equity in the property”•stocks and shares that carry no fixed interest.
plural noun: equities3.the value of a mortgaged property after deduction of charges against it.
Which version of this corresponds to the apparent loss of Equity mentioned through this thread?
When we speak about equity, we refer to it as defined here: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaminShokrizade/20130531/193353/The_Barrier_to_Big.php
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.
Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
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who made this lousy decision anyways? to reset the time and effort gamer spend in fotm.
the same with the t3 (with fire effects) in gem store.
It seems like, we the player should never put our effort and time in this game because ANET will only wipe our effort/ time clean in the future.
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
Clearly stuff happens with enough support/whining.
Thanks for all the people who didn’t let us have a chance. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
Clearly stuff happens with enough support/whining.
Thanks for all the people who didn’t let us have a chance. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.
This. If you had let us ask rather than devaluing us and our claims we could have been considered, instead you ruined our chance at it. Thanks.
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
Clearly stuff happens with enough support/whining.
Thanks for all the people who didn’t let us have a chance. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.
This. If you had let us ask rather than devaluing us and our claims we could have been considered, instead you ruined our chance at it. Thanks.
I honestly don’t even know what to say. I agree with their decision on the T3 armor….it became devalued (time wasted) to grind for it as a human when they released it in the gem-store….so they SHOULD change it. But the fact that they still don’t even acknowledge that we exist or have a valid concern still bothers me immensely. We have been talking for over a week, with 16 pages of thread, most of which was valid discussions and we get nothing. People complain for 1 day with barely half the size of the thread, and they not only get a response, they get action.
Should we start explaining devs as well how much Crystals we used on fotm skins?
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
Clearly stuff happens with enough support/whining.
Thanks for all the people who didn’t let us have a chance. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.
This. If you had let us ask rather than devaluing us and our claims we could have been considered, instead you ruined our chance at it. Thanks.
I honestly don’t even know what to say. I agree with their decision on the T3 armor….it became devalued (time wasted) to grind for it as a human when they released it in the gem-store….so they SHOULD change it. But the fact that they still don’t even acknowledge that we exist or have a valid concern still bothers me immensely. We have been talking for over a week, with 16 pages of thread, most of which was valid discussions and we get nothing. People complain for 1 day with barely half the size of the thread, and they not only get a response, they get action.
It seriously makes me lose all faith in the company. I love the game, I love the gem shop, and it doesn’t matter to them. It just doesn’t. They don’t care about us, fractals, or anything outside of their gem shop.
Should we start explaining devs as well how much Crystals we used on fotm skins?
They wouldn’t want to hear it.
They would say it’s too difficult tom deal with technically. We are not the majority of the player base, screw us.
Lets see, I have Fractal weapons being currently used: Torch, Sword, Spear, Spear, Dagger, Dagger, Trident, Mace, Shortbow, Harpoon gun, scepter, scepter, so that is 12 transformation crystals that I have used! I still have 10 fractal weapons in my bank…so that means I have to use 10 more to use those!! That is 22 Transmutation crystals I will have to use to use what now can be gotten with skins! Lets see, They are what 500 gems for 3 crystals? So that would be 2100 gems that ANET owes me for my year of doing fractals.
Maybe that is the way to talk to these guys….complain about gem costs? I have no idea? It’s funny, if you look at my past posts…I start out very positive, and defending of ANET and their decisions….but have ended so negative and bitter….I don’t like this me. I think I am going to make a conscious decision to try and go back to being positive again.
Yeah Moshari, you’re supposed to be the level headed one. Lol.
But yeah maybe we should demand gems.
Hahahahahaha
They’re totally listening to ‘our’ Feedback.Stupid skin way more important than the effort people put into leveling fractals to 80.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin
Clearly stuff happens with enough support/whining.
Thanks for all the people who didn’t let us have a chance. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
I can’t believe they made a quick/fast comment about that but not this issue that has over 30 pages of comments
The armor impacted the goals and accomplishments of many months of past players. Reverting has just made your character go back 24h or so. You were happy enough to play without this armor. Big difference, eh?
I wanted to reword this. “The level reset impacted the goals and accomplishments of many months of past players. To revert the change will just make your characters go back 24 hours or so. You were happy enough before you started going into fractals again, right?”
Big difference indeed.
Bed time now.
We’ll due to time constraints (and real life) I have not stepped back into FoTM to regain any personal levels.
Far too many pugs, far too much risk of a 4 hr session with bugs.
Would I have stopped at FoTM lvl 30 if I had known about this. – ABSOLUTELY.
I still feel extremely angry about this release and how the player base has been treated over this release.
Is it any surprise that lvl 50 has already been hit now? No.
The only word from ANET we have your feedback and have been discussing it.
This needs more how about some action and recognition of the gems, items and time people have feel has been wasted and doing something positive towards the players they have upset.
The goal posts are moving too rapidly in this MMO for my liking without consideration of the impact it will have.
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