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Posted by: Runamok.9638

Runamok.9638

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

ET and FC are not the same. With respect, you are very mistaken.

Ebay troll has no clue.

Would you prefer it if I voiced the same sentiments while logged into my FC account? My DR account? My whatever-has-played-these-servers-lately account?

Go away, troll.

Getting called a troll by someone who only posts whines about Anet or how bad X player/server is a high honor. Good luck to you proven internet tough guy. May your God mode status live on in infamy for the ages.

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Posted by: EFWinters.5421

EFWinters.5421

Bronze leaguers let’s not acknowledge the trolls.

We do appreciate when higher tiers hop down to give props but trolls just want fed let’s not feed them and they will go away.

Phew. Good thing you aren’t trying to label me a troll in some kind of meek attempt to invalidate my statements without responding to them. That would just be silly.

As I said, good luck in Bronze with your T8 tactics! You are totally not winning because of numbers, just like every other server ever. Totally.

Toodles.

Getting called a troll by someone who only posts whines about Anet or how bad X player/server is a high honor. Good luck to you proven internet tough guy. May your God mode status live on in infamy for the ages.

-brotha

Sorry, being in the bussiness of handing out meaningless congratulations for accomplishing absolutely nothing must be an ET / FC thing.

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

If we are still the same how come we are beating servers who once beat us?? since we were in the last tier, we had crap coverage, crap numbers, at one point our nightcrew was composed of 9 or so ..

So if we stayed the same and bigger servers lost numbers, shouldn’t we be on equal footing? how come we have beat every server so far? aside NSP and ET?

The logic in your argument is lacking, so is the fact you haven’t been in any of our matchups, and aside you have no clue how many guilds and commanders we have lost , we barely have ever gotten any transfers, and aside from that, we have made it on our own.

GG logic

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Posted by: EFWinters.5421

EFWinters.5421

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

If we are still the same how come we are beating servers who once beat us?? since we were in the last tier, we had crap coverage, crap numbers, at one point our nightcrew was composed of 9 or so ..

So if we stayed the same and bigger servers lost numbers, shouldn’t we be on equal footing? how come we have beat every server so far? aside NSP and ET?

The logic in your argument is lacking, so is the fact you haven’t been in any of our matchups, and aside you have no clue how many guilds and commanders we have lost , we barely have ever gotten any transfers, and aside from that, we have made it on our own.

GG logic

Okay I’m gonna give you about 3 minutes to delete or edit this post… After that no guarantees.

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

LOL, see the way he tries to make himself look all big and bad by stating it has multiple accounts on multiple servers? Must be those high tier tactics at work.

It kinda is a good tactic , make an account on every server + leagues = reward chests = profit, therefore if any server wins, he just logs on that account on that server and does a victory dance. If only I was that rich :/

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

If we are still the same how come we are beating servers who once beat us?? since we were in the last tier, we had crap coverage, crap numbers, at one point our nightcrew was composed of 9 or so ..

So if we stayed the same and bigger servers lost numbers, shouldn’t we be on equal footing? how come we have beat every server so far? aside NSP and ET?

The logic in your argument is lacking, so is the fact you haven’t been in any of our matchups, and aside you have no clue how many guilds and commanders we have lost , we barely have ever gotten any transfers, and aside from that, we have made it on our own.

GG logic

Okay I’m gonna give you about 3 minutes to delete or edit this post… After that no guarantees.

Err I don’t mind , please enlighten me oh wise one! Also you are from, SBI lol no wonder you are feeling all mighty, GG , just go enjoy your 1st place chest and don’t come back bro, we don’t need your 2 cents in our thread, go to the silver thread and say how skilled your server is

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

No really, this thread is to foster healthy competition. Nobody cares about un-encouraging posts from non-bronze-leaguers

We live this every day and we know the story and if someone else thinks differently we can prove them wrong in the league but no amount of arguing will come to any sort of resolution other than spamming the thread.

Referring to my OP – “keep it clean, keep it interesting, keep it fun”

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Posted by: Cantur Soulfyre.5409

Cantur Soulfyre.5409

LOL, see the way he tries to make himself look all big and bad by stating it has multiple accounts on multiple servers? Must be those high tier tactics at work.

It kinda is a good tactic , make an account on every server + leagues = reward chests = profit, therefore if any server wins, he just logs on that account on that server and does a victory dance. If only I was that rich :/

I guess. Seems an awful lot like buying gems for gold and just buying your way to a win…

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

LOL, see the way he tries to make himself look all big and bad by stating it has multiple accounts on multiple servers? Must be those high tier tactics at work.

It kinda is a good tactic , make an account on every server + leagues = reward chests = profit, therefore if any server wins, he just logs on that account on that server and does a victory dance. If only I was that rich :/

I guess. Seems an awful lot like buying gems for gold and just buying your way to a win…

Although if you have the resources, it guarantees that you can never lose, ever.

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Posted by: Cantur Soulfyre.5409

Cantur Soulfyre.5409

But like Solstice said, he did successfully derail this thread so let’s just ignore the trolls and focus on the best league competition!

So back to the original post I made, way to go FC and ET!

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Posted by: EFWinters.5421

EFWinters.5421

No really, this thread is to foster healthy competition. Nobody cares about un-encouraging posts from non-bronze-leaguers

We live this every day and we know the story and if someone else thinks differently we can prove them wrong in the league but no amount of arguing will come to any sort of resolution other than spamming the thread.

Referring to my OP – “keep it clean, keep it interesting, keep it fun”

I agree. That’s why I wished you good luck in bronze and went on my merry way. You know, right before five others came and vehemently defended their server’s honor from my dark and twisted opinions.

Again, good luck. I really mean it

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

No really, this thread is to foster healthy competition. Nobody cares about un-encouraging posts from non-bronze-leaguers

We live this every day and we know the story and if someone else thinks differently we can prove them wrong in the league but no amount of arguing will come to any sort of resolution other than spamming the thread.

Referring to my OP – “keep it clean, keep it interesting, keep it fun”

I agree. That’s why I wished you good luck in bronze and went on my merry way. You know, right before five others came and vehemently defended their server’s honor from my dark and twisted opinions.

Again, good luck. I really mean it

Best of luck to yourself as well.

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

For me this league with the introduction of Kenny will be a tough one. Top contenders could be HoD / FC/ Kenny, based on ranking and so far the numbers of wins and loses. Fergy has gone several weeks topping in first place and at least second, Pulled a great victory on SF and DH, has devastated DR/DH.

Due to massive guild loss from several servers jumping to silver and gold league first place contenders, at the same time FC hasn’t had any influx of major guilds, rather a small portion.

My thoughts is top tier guilds who won’t want to be in qeue for hours will jump down to bronze, either filling up Kaening or HoD based on ranking. If lucky Fergy might get some love. If this happens, it will be a stompfest.

At the same time we might see an increase from PvE players trying to get some AP and thus we might see major catastrophes , as massive zergs from PvE pugs get steamrolled by WvW veteran zergs, and it will be interesting for roamers, since most players might be easy pickings.

I would love to place my money of Fergy, but my instincts tell me not to trust anything otherwise. I fear one or two servers will be bandwagoned pretty soon..

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Posted by: clint.5681

clint.5681

Ef please leave the thread, you aren’t contributing anything besides trollish behavior.

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

Ef please leave the thread, you aren’t contributing anything besides trollish behavior.

pretty sure this is settled. no worries.

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Posted by: Narsil.6579

Narsil.6579

I feel like Bronze league will be interesting, since most of the servers aren’t as densely populated we might see some even matches, although if some servers completely lose more numbers, we might see a faceroll for several…

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

i, for one, would absolutely love to see a close season with et, fc, and sf duking it out for the top… whoever wins. would be such a nice turnaround from feb/march!

i dont think our other bronze buddies really have kinship yet! ar doesnt have bp next door, and i think dr is probably too weak to compete with the kaineng remnants (although that may be going too far back for the people that play nowadays and kaineng is such a wildcard). a run between hod and et could be interesting, the 2 fallen t1 servers! (tho again, idk if they actually felt kinship like between fc/et/sf since while their background is similar theyve not been stuck together)

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Posted by: clint.5681

clint.5681

Ef please leave the thread, you aren’t contributing anything besides trollish behavior.

pretty sure this is settled. no worries.

alright cool you know im always lurking in the background like batman.

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Posted by: ViktorAlgeheri.9825

ViktorAlgeheri.9825

Good luck to everyone in the bronze league, can’t wait for some good fights.

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

Jeknar.6184

The Bro-Trio shall win the Bronze League. Period.

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Posted by: melodey.4652

melodey.4652

I already miss NSP.
Kill all the silvers for us.
Don’t forget to /sit
~xoxo

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Posted by: Belorn.2659

Belorn.2659

Will be interesting to see who wins the brozne league and replaces NSP in silver for season #2.

The winning world need to win by a very large margin to qualify for a +200 rating jump, or its going to be a bitter sweet to win.

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Posted by: Runamok.9638

Runamok.9638

Will be interesting to see who wins the brozne league and replaces NSP in silver for season #2.

The winning world need to win by a very large margin to qualify for a +200 rating jump, or its going to be a bitter sweet to win.

I predict that leagues are going to open up a Glicko gap. Those at the bottom of the each tier will feast off the ratings of those at the top, even in those lopsided matches. So tose at the bottom of a tier are likely to gain rating, and those at the top drop rating. In the end I think you will see a greater Glicko gap between Gold/Silver and Silver/Bronze which is just a whole other problem. But assuming the fully open up RNG between season 1 and season 2 things should normalize again. Could be way off base here, time will tell.

-brotha

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Posted by: Advent.6193

Advent.6193

You’re probably right, Runamok. We’ve already seen that Glicko does not handle ratings gaps all that well. On the good side, at least this Ghetto has nine servers in it, versus you/us/SF getting stuck rooming together for months.
I, myself, am at least glad that the ANet folk decided to go for a three-League spread. Two Leagues of twelve servers per would have outright killed half the servers in play, WvW-wise.
Now, as for predictions: I’d like to see our boys win it, but we’re going to have to be seriously up on our biz to do so. SF/ET are definitely even matches at this point. We have yet to defeat either Kain/HoD or (assuming they end up in Bronze) NSP. And as we all know, the perception that Server “X” is unbeatable, has a large effect on both
“Y” and “Z”, as far as morale is concerned.
Reset night should be plenty entertaining this time around …

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

They better not start the season with KN/HoD/FC

If they do that, we might all find out quickly who’s going to win season 1. It’s far more interesting right now that we don’t know! (unlike every other league)

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Posted by: Qiko.2461

Qiko.2461

They better not start the season with KN/HoD/FC

If they do that, we might all find out quickly who’s going to win season 1. It’s far more interesting right now that we don’t know! (unlike every other league)

Yes, there appears to be a lot of uncertainty in the Bronze League. I personally feel this is the Gold League. I feel every server have an equal change to win. I can’t think of any blow outs.

Good Luck to all!

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Posted by: Sean.8274

Sean.8274

I Want to give a shout-out to FC and ET for how much they have improved since the Glicko Ghetto days.

I was proud of your guys when you fought so well while SF had you outmanned all the time. And now with how well both of your servers fight while moving up. We are brother’s forged in the heat, pressure, and misery of the old Ghetto and I for one hope it is the three of us fighting it out for the top spot.

To everyone in the Bronze League, good luck and gods speed (wish that WAS a buff).

Those two servers literally improved nada. They rose as DR / AR / GoM all lost massive amounts of people. They are still the same servers they used to be back in T8.

As someone who fought ET and FC for many weeks back when we were stuck in T8, I can say that after fighting them again the past few weeks they have improved greatly.

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Posted by: TCDJ.5378

TCDJ.5378

Just stopping by to wish my few remaining comrades ([Ai], [NIIX], etc. You know who you are.) on Kaineng all the best. It’s good that you got Bronze.

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Posted by: lunyboy.8672

lunyboy.8672

I feel like we, HoD, have a shot at winning, but I am more excited to fight more evenly matched servers!

And win or lose, good luck to all the bronze league, get vids and have fun, we will be the envy of the entire NA server-sphere before these matches are over!

Good hunting!

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Posted by: Devon.9061

Devon.9061

My moneys on Devona.. since it has my name in it.. They have to win!

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Posted by: Tossed Fish.7380

Tossed Fish.7380

Taking our bets guys, taking our bets!

I’m going to be a selfish kitten though. Good luck everyone! I’m very excited for this week. Prove me wrong that we won’t win

1)HoD
2)FC
3)SF
4)DH
4)ET
5)Kain
6)GoM
7)DR
8)AR

Also, thanks for putting this together. Pretty Accurate imo.

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Posted by: Mercabre.7123

Mercabre.7123

Great rundown! Bronze league is going to be fun all around regardless of ranks. Looking forward to fighting on a more even playing field despite my mild disappointment of not ending up in Silver league.

My sympathies to Kain for all the guilds that left; that’s rough. HoD has felt that pain at one time as well.

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Posted by: Spazzoni.1703

Spazzoni.1703

Good luck to all of the Bronze servers!

My money is on FC. Heeeeyyyyy PPK

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

Looking forward to the Kenny / HoD Dawgs / Fergreatjustice match this week!

Kaineng – we haven’t played you since January when you became a bandwagon and beat us with this score:

501 665
48 992
38 815

HoD – haven’t played you guys since July – even then it was a pretty good match with you guys and NSP. Since then you’ve noticed we’ve improved quite a bit. Get ready to be impressed!

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Posted by: TeamBattleAxe.3901

TeamBattleAxe.3901

You guys are being waaaay too nice to each other.

Bronze league is supposed to be the place for outcasts and outlaws, exiles and rejects, and players otherwise too stubborn to join the ranks of the 1-spamming masses in seeking silly reward chests. By nature, we’re filled with enough kitten and vinegar necessary to survive on wasteland servers, and I expect nothing short of glorious spite and vitriol in every matchup going forward.

To start, here’s some video of how fan-favorite Henge of Denravi prepares for a tough opponent.

Let the games begin!

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Posted by: ArkAngel.7940

ArkAngel.7940

You guys are being waaaay too nice to each other.

To start, here’s some video of how fan-favorite Henge of Denravi prepares for a tough opponent.

Let the games begin!

Perfect!

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Posted by: Tossed Fish.7380

Tossed Fish.7380

This is how VLK prepares for battle!

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Posted by: Sir Tripsalot.1803

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

You guys are being waaaay too nice to each other.

Bronze league is supposed to be the place for outcasts and outlaws, exiles and rejects, and players otherwise too stubborn to join the ranks of the 1-spamming masses in seeking silly reward chests. By nature, we’re filled with enough kitten and vinegar necessary to survive on wasteland servers, and I expect nothing short of glorious spite and vitriol in every matchup going forward.

To start, here’s some video of how fan-favorite Henge of Denravi prepares for a tough opponent.

Let the games begin!

i think were just excited that our league looks to be actually interesting and could be a toss up for who will win. nothing is clear yet.

its pretty much something weve never had a taste of.

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

Schedule by week
1
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR
2
KN/SF/AR
FC/GoM/DH
HoD/ET/DR
3
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/DH/AR
FC/SF/DR
4
FC/ET/AR
HoD/SF/GoM
KN/DH/DR
5
ET/GoM/AR
KN/FC/DH
HoD/SF/DR
6
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/FC/SF
DH/DR/AR
7
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR

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Posted by: SHAKA ZULU.3128

SHAKA ZULU.3128

Fergie it has been too long <3 I am bad at being mean so I won’t be a very good trash talker.

love,

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Posted by: styx.7294

styx.7294

Schedule by week
1
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR
2
KN/SF/AR
FC/GoM/DH
HoD/ET/DR
3
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/DH/AR
FC/SF/DR
4
FC/ET/AR
HoD/SF/DR
KN/DH/GoM
5
ET/GoM/AR
KN/FC/DH
HoD/SF/DR
6
KN/ET/GoM
HoD/FC/SF
DH/DR/AR
7
KN/HoD/FC
DH/SF/ET
DR/GoM/AR

We don’t fight Henge of Denravi, what?

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

We don’t fight Henge of Denravi, what?

oops typo. had you swapped with DR on week 4. fixed now.

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Posted by: Sir Tripsalot.1803

Sir Tripsalot.1803

Wow, these are all for the most part great match ups. I can’t wait!

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Posted by: Mepheles.2087

Mepheles.2087

Dang, only one chance to find and kill bandito in this entire league

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Posted by: Raithien.7946

Raithien.7946

Dang, only one chance to find and kill bandito in this entire league

And even then you might only kill his stunt double

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Posted by: Old Bones.5140

Old Bones.5140

Hmm. If this is right, someone needs to re-look at it. I can see everyone having one repeat of matches, but ET has 2 repeats. 3X Gom and 1 FC and 1 Hod. A couple of swaps would even us and others out some.

But, that being said. Let’s show everyone that the Bronze League is the best competition out there.

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

Hmm. If this is right, someone needs to re-look at it. I can see everyone having one repeat of matches, but ET has 2 repeats. 3X Gom and 1 FC and 1 Hod. A couple of swaps would even us and others out some.

But, that being said. Let’s show everyone that the Bronze League is the best competition out there.

I may have made a typo or 2 but it’s at least 90% accurate.

We’ll get the real deal in a couple hours I just wanted to give a preview. Don’t shoot me if it’s wrong! (unless you’re Taquito because well that’s just what he does)

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Posted by: Spazzoni.1703

Spazzoni.1703

Pew Pew Kittens.

Nothing more needs said.

Suicide Necro

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Posted by: Old Bones.5140

Old Bones.5140

I thought you somehow got the unofficial, official somewhere.

I give ya credit for getting something that would be close.