Guild Wars 2

Please read the rest of my post before replying, so you don’t reply on something that I’ve covered.

I understand that there will be some who disagrees and some who do agrees. But there are lots of fully clothed armour types for those who don’t like the skimpy stuff but it would be really nice if there was more skimpy stuff for those who do like it. After all, this is an MMO and we should be able to dress our characters the way we want it to be. You shouldn’t hate someone for wanting to look like this, it isn’t your character.
All
we are asking is for more choices for those who do like them. And I’m sure, that there are way more people who prefer and don’t mind them then there are people who dislike them.

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3. Here it is
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/BokoCasso/j1.png
Doesn’t that prove anything?

Where did somewhat immature and whimsical, but also absolutely essential staples of fantasy fashion go?

This game is lacking Skimpy Armor and we need more. I’m not saying every single piece of gear should be skimpy, I’m saying there should be at least a few more.

I’m not saying that skimpy armor should just be for females, in fact there is a lot of males characters in which their armor is revealing. Such as, Kratos from God of Wars and Leonidas from Spartan total warriors.

I’d like to remind you that this game and other MMOs alike, where people carry a zoo in their pockets and fling fire from their fingertips, 200 foot tall boss being destroyed, wrecked and somehow held back by a single 3 foot tall Asura and all evil in the world mysteriously revives itself after time even when proclaimed defeated. There is enough applied magic and game-mechanic-elements that are more an offense to logic and immersion than presumably enchanted jockstrap providing the same protection as slightly less enchanted spiky armored greaves with skulls on their kneecaps.

One point I agree with is various Asian allegedly-free-games using skimpy armor to an atrocious extent as a marketing gimmick, but I’m not asking for that. I ask for choice in the matter.

Please remember to stay on topic and keep up a constructive and positive discussion on these forums.

Please read the rest of my post before posting, thank you.

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All
we are asking
is for more choices for those who do like them.
I mean lets be honest here, there is probably way more to those that don’t mind them and like them then there are those that do not like them. When describe female characters in the world of FAN ARTS, you’d see that most of them are in more skin revealing armor. Most of female fan arts are in revealing armor! why is that? because it just appeal to people more, not just to male but also to female.
It just looks good and sexy, even females are willing to cosplay that way and enter competition that way because it just looks kitten sexy.

If you’re going to talk about it not being realistic, seriously? Most of the armor is not realistic. Would be able to wear huge giant swords, and fully covered armor that weights a heck ton and manage to run and dodge as effectively as you do without an armor? Wouldn’t it make more sense if someone wear skimpy armor to reduce weight and be more agile?

That tier 3 cultural armor is nice and not just because it shows a little underboob. It gives more definition to the female form.

I know a few female players who like to use skimpy armor on their characters so I don’t see who would be offended. This is a teen rated game after all and content these days in all media for teenagers is evolving and getting ever so closely to adult themes.

I’m not saying the armor should look like anything out of Scarlet Blade though. Check that MMO out and you will know what I mean.

ESRB TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.
I think skimpy armor falls under suggestive themes.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
I don’t think that skimpy armor rises to the level of sexual content. So I don’t understand why we can’t have so more skimpy armor or even kinky armor.

I was going to remake this thread since I got cut off when about to post in it…

Yeah, I agree. I like my skimpy armor and I farmed for about half a week getting the tier 3 cultural ‘coat’, gloves and boots for my human female ranger (took the vigil pants and just whatever for the shoulders as I don’t show the shoulders) which revitalized my will to play the character (the weak armor choices really turned me off playing for a while but thankfully, Rangers are fun).

This isn’t to say I like looking at half-nude females only…I have 2 female characters (human and sylvari) and 3 male (charr and asura). I like them all in skimpy stuff. There’s just not many options for the asura male elementalist. Heavy armor I’ve got a couple of choices.

I’d like to run another Charr but I’d probably be recycling looks since there’s not any other options. Maybe not something like this, but close:

Onshidesigns.1069:

ESRB TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.
I think skimpy armor falls under suggestive themes.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
I don’t think that skimpy armor rises to the level of sexual content. So I don’t understand why we can’t have so more skimpy armor or even kinky armor.

Those are just guidelines. It could easily be ruled that a bunch of latex bondage armor is obscene and thus the game gets slapped with the higher rating.

I’d be ok with seeing some skimpier armors for Male and Female…

Though TBH I’d much rather see Female Asura and Charr use Female armor first (Yes I know they would need to rework like 90% of the models)… Even if it was just on a handful of the gear (Pitfighter for starters)

Olba.5376:

Onshidesigns.1069:

ESRB TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.
I think skimpy armor falls under suggestive themes.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
I don’t think that skimpy armor rises to the level of sexual content. So I don’t understand why we can’t have so more skimpy armor or even kinky armor.

Those are just guidelines. It could easily be ruled that a bunch of latex bondage armor is obscene and thus the game gets slapped with the higher rating.

Tera is rated M for it’s blood not skimpy clothing. “Suggestive Themes” is under teen rating.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=31021

AshBenzo.8923:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3.

How does one determine this?

GuardianOMS.8067:

AshBenzo.8923:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3.

How does one determine this?

By sitting in Lion’s Arch for a week and documenting all the armors used by all the passersby? Decent enough sample size and you could extrapolate with good accuracy.

Though I doubt he’s done that.

Onshidesigns.1069:

ESRB TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.
I think skimpy armor falls under suggestive themes.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
I don’t think that skimpy armor rises to the level of sexual content. So I don’t understand why we can’t have so more skimpy armor or even kinky armor.

You can already dress down your character to underwear and prance about in that, and the game still only has a T rating. And more skin =/= sexual contet.

Zorby.8236:

Onshidesigns.1069:

ESRB TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.
I think skimpy armor falls under suggestive themes.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.
I don’t think that skimpy armor rises to the level of sexual content. So I don’t understand why we can’t have so more skimpy armor or even kinky armor.

You can already dress down your character to underwear and prance about in that, and the game still only has a T rating. And more skin =/= sexual contet.

And more skin =/= sexual contet. Bull kitten! It’s is biology of the human anatomy.
What do you have against Gods creation?

GuardianOMS.8067:

AshBenzo.8923:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3.

How does one determine this?

After playing Guild Wars 2 since release, I’ve began to notice a few things from here and there.

I think skimpy armor is degrading, and stupid. Most of such armor also defies the laws of gravity, and is not something any real person would be able to wear (it fails in being a piece of clothing, or in other words: clothing doesn’t work that way!).

What we DO need, is better looking armor. Especially a lot of the light armor looks pretty boring. I would like to see a lot more of GW1’s old armors make a return, because those armor sets were much better designed.

I have to say that I really dislike those skimpy armors. I really want to see full armors, even light armor on female characters. I don’t want to see a fashion show, or a skin fest, I want a real armor that covers most of the skin. Bit of skin here and there doesn’t bother me, and I think that we need to show less skin, especially on female characters.

This again? Gads, no! Let us wear something that doesn’t make us look like street walkers while we’re fighting zombies. I spend alotta time mixing and matching armors, changing skins, etc. to make sure I’m not running around in chain mail pasties; the last thing we need to do is make that harder. I’m not playing my character so the boys can ogle her while I’m choppin’ up monsters; women are objectified enough in fantasy, we don’t need ta do it in our MMOs too.

More armor skins? Yes! More kitten skins? No!

I do honestly not see what is wrong with skimpy armor. I too regret there is not more choices for those who like it (at least with medium armor).
Note that OP is not asking for all armor to be skimpy… he is asking for CHOICE, how can anyone be against that?

You should be able to have full set of well covering armor if that is what you like, and you should be able to get skimpy armor if that is what you like. This should be regardless of race, armorclass and gender.

Oh and I do not see it as objectifying women… some women LIKE to show skin, strong women that are proud of their body and don’t care about the sterotypes of society.

Although, some females are offended by the design of skimpy armor! some females also love the design of skimpy armor as well. They are sexy, nice and looks very good in my opinion. Also, they are very Sexy? did I mention that?

Like the post above me, women do in fact like to show skin.

Mentalhead.5721:

I have to say that I really dislike those skimpy armors. I really want to see full armors, even light armor on female characters. I don’t want to see a fashion show, or a skin fest, I want a real armor that covers most of the skin. Bit of skin here and there doesn’t bother me, and I think that we need to show less skin, especially on female characters.

You don’t want to see a fashion? Then why are you demanding fully covered armor? Is it for the reasoning of wanting to fashion your characters this way? What is the differences with my reasoning then? Not an attack against you, just curious to be honest.

Mentalhead.5721:

I have to say that I really dislike those skimpy armors. I really want to see full armors, even light armor on female characters. I don’t want to see a fashion show, or a skin fest, I want a real armor that covers most of the skin. Bit of skin here and there doesn’t bother me, and I think that we need to show less skin, especially on female characters.

I do want to see a fashion show as that was one of the things promised since the game was in development! I’m not so much for more skimpy armors as I am for more variations in general. I want my female heavy to wear a battle gown! I don’t care how ridiculous it looks to anyone else. I want it and I’m willing to pay good money for it!

If anyone wants to bring up a morality discussion, I’m all for it. I find the lack of it in this game to be an issue too. The fact that we’re incentivized to kill and steal, well… that’s say’s a lot right there. Heck, the proliferation of tattoo’s I find to be more objectionable. Clothing has not been an issue in this regard. Because you can wear a bikini as a bathing suit and still be an angel at heart.

Choice is the ultimate winner in this discussion. We should promote more of it! Right now armor and all art it’s very narrowly focused. We should be presented with more options to appeal to a wider audience. Speaking of which, more visibility zones would be greatly appreciated. Like sleeves for example, I’m not a fan of the sleeves on a lot of items. Would it be so hard to make a check box to turn off pieces of an item? Like the choke collar’s and mesh sleeves on some tops? It just doesn’t make sense?

Oh…. and with more separation of the items into zones can bring in more options to dye them too. Choice… choice…. choice….

Far to many coats cover the posterior. That is what the pants, skirts, pant skirts, and leotard bottoms are supposed to be doing. Though you couldn’t tell from some of the coats. Some, “leggings” do cover more than others, I would still prefer more coats to actually stop at the waste or above. An option to turn off a butt cape would be nice. Optional sleeves, and turtlenecks, would also be lovely.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I think skimpy armor is degrading, and stupid. Most of such armor also defies the laws of gravity, and is not something any real person would be able to wear (it fails in being a piece of clothing, or in other words: clothing doesn’t work that way!)..

But gloves and chest pieces with flames or floating cubes is fine?

Olba.5376:

GuardianOMS.8067:

AshBenzo.8923:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3.

How does one determine this?

By sitting in Lion’s Arch for a week and documenting all the armors used by all the passersby? Decent enough sample size and you could extrapolate with good accuracy.

Though I doubt he’s done that.

That’s not a very good way of doing it tbh. Too many variables and too big of an area.

AshBenzo.8923:

After playing Guild Wars 2 since release, I’ve began to notice a few things from here and there.

Well since you have an interest in this armor wouldn’t you say you’d notice it more often? Thereby making you biased? Because I would say CoF Armor is the most popular. Just about everyone and their mom has those gauntlets. But I’m just nitpicking one sentence, never mind me.

Leo G.4501:

But gloves and chest pieces with flames or floating cubes is fine?

No, they are not. Read the rest of my post. I think a lot of the current armors in GW2 are awful. I don’t like the way they look, and I think especially the really skimpy armors, and the stuff that’s on fire, or has floating stuff, is stupid. I would love to see more practical armor choices. There is not enough variety at the moment, which means we can’t dress our characters the way we want them to look.

And I would also like it if I don’t have to worry about other players staring at by backside when swimming. Less thongs and short skirts please. GW1 had tons of great armor sets that had much better body coverage, and could function as actual armor.

Case in point: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necromancer_armor

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

ZIP

We are asking for choice, what is wrong with that? There really is NOT that many skimpy options, unless you wear light armor and that sucks. As a sylvari ranger I found 1 set. 1!! that shows her back… whats the point of that beautyful glow she got when I can’t show it.
It is a fantasy game, people love fantasy armor, and GW is about looks above all else. I do not like CoF armor, I think it is ugly, but I know people love it and even if I do not agree I sort of understand. There is options for more realistic armor in the game… just gotta look for it.

I completely agree that GW1 had some nice armor skins, although I prefered elite druid and some of the elementalist armors. We just got different tastes I guess.

What we are here is pro-choice. I and others want to be able to choose skimpy armor, without being limited to a very very few skins, even if we are medium or heavy. Some want the cool looking, magicaly powered armor like CoF. Some want fully covering armor, even if they are light armor. Some want realistic. There should be options for all. Atm I will say that (at least in the medium armor range) skimpy is the most lacking. There is realistic, nearly no skin showing armor en mass.

Oh I’m all for having more options. But my profession relies on light armor, which means there are a lot less none-skimpy options available to us. Some of the armor options right now are just dumb.

For example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/7/79/Feathered_Armor_Female_Human.jpg

How does that thing work? How does it not fall off? Do you have to wear double sided duck-tape on the inside? Clothes do not work that way!

GuardianOMS.8067:

Olba.5376:

GuardianOMS.8067:

AshBenzo.8923:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3.

How does one determine this?

By sitting in Lion’s Arch for a week and documenting all the armors used by all the passersby? Decent enough sample size and you could extrapolate with good accuracy.

Though I doubt he’s done that.

That’s not a very good way of doing it tbh. Too many variables and too big of an area.

AshBenzo.8923:

After playing Guild Wars 2 since release, I’ve began to notice a few things from here and there.

Well since you have an interest in this armor wouldn’t you say you’d notice it more often? Thereby making you biased? Because I would say CoF Armor is the most popular. Just about everyone and their mom has those gauntlets. But I’m just nitpicking one sentence, never mind me.

Well that’s probably your servers! but mine, cultural 3 medium armor for humans are the top picks and I don’t blame people for picking that one. And I disagree with you, Citadel of flame armor is totally not the popular.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Oh I’m all for having more options. But my profession relies on light armor, which means there are a lot less none-skimpy options available to us. Some of the armor options right now are just dumb.

For example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/7/79/Feathered_Armor_Female_Human.jpg

How does that thing work? How does it not fall off? Do you have to wear double sided duck-tape on the inside? Clothes do not work that way!

Oh please you’re already posting 3 times about how bad it is but don’t actually look in reality. Clothes doesn’t work that way you said? It’s just a game. There is already enough applied magic to make everything works. It’s just a game it doesn’t have to make sense. Most of the armor is not realistic. Would be able to wear huge giant swords, and fully covered armor that weights a heck ton and manage to run and dodge as effectively as you do without an armor?
Armors do not work that way!

To be honest, I don’t think you’ve read all my post otherwise you wouldn’t be posting these nonsense. Not an attack just reminding you, that you should probably read the whole post.

If you’re all for having more options then please stop complaining about how it does not work. It is not real life situation, it is a game.

If you’re so worried about players looking at your character as your 2nd post said, then don’t wear good looking armor cause like you said, there is plenty of awful armor. So why not use them to avoid players for staring at your characters?

We’re asking for more option to those that do like the wear skimpy armor for their characters. And you’re all for options like you said, so lets end it that way. Don’t have to go back and forth talking about how it will not work, how people wouldn’t like it blah blah blah.
Because in all honesty, there is more that do not mind them and liked them then those that do not like them.
Most female fan arts are of more revealing armor because they are appealing to not just male but to female also. Why is that? because it looks sexy. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just have to look good.

AshBenzo.8923:

Oh please you’re already posting 3 times about how bad it is but don’t actually look in reality. Clothes doesn’t work that way you said? It’s just a game. There is already enough applied magic to make everything works. It’s just a game it doesn’t have to make sense.

Well that is just a poor excuse for sloppy design. There’s plenty of fantasy on tv these days in which the characters wear garments that are stylized, yet wearable. Its not very hard to design clothing that can be worn. Isn’t that the point of clothing, that you can physically wear it? So why make excuses for what is clearly dumb design? I think we are entirely in our right to comment on stupid armor design, much like you yourself commented on the absurd looking flaming armors, with floaty things. Yes, thats also stupid. It doesn’t have to be that way.

AshBenzo.8923:

Would be able to wear huge giant swords, and fully covered armor that weights a heck ton and manage to run and dodge as effectively as you do without an armor? Armors do not work that way!

You’d be surprised how much you can actually do in a full suit of armor. Having worn one myself, you can easily do a backflip while wearing full medieval platemale or chainmale. Astonishing, I know. But if armor reduced your movements so much in real life, no one would wear them in combat, since freedom of movement is extremely important when fighting hand to hand.

AshBenzo.8923:

To be honest, I don’t think you’ve read all my post otherwise you wouldn’t be posting these nonsense. Not an attack just reminding you, that you should probably read the whole post.

I certainly haven’t read ALL your posts, but I did read ALL OF THE post that you made in reply to mine. But I don’t see you making very good arguments, apart from “some people like dressing like a Canthan harbor gal”.

AshBenzo.8923:

If you’re all for having more options then please stop complaining about how it does not work. It is not real life situation, it is a game.

That’s no excuse for not having decent design in the clothing of basic characters. Designing functional clothing isn’t that hard. There are pretty basic rules regarding what a woman can or cannot wear. To make every piece of clothing like its body paint, is just extremely lazy. A good designer puts some thought into the design, and balances looks for practicality.

AshBenzo.8923:

If you’re so worried about players looking at your character as your 2nd post said, then don’t wear good looking armor cause like you said, there is plenty of awful armor. So why not use them to avoid players for staring at your characters?

I do, but my choices for light armor are very limited in that respect. Which is exactly my point.

AshBenzo.8923:

Most female fan arts are of more revealing armor because they are appealing to not just male but to female also. Why is that? because it looks sexy. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just have to look good.

If it makes sense, it can also look just as good, or better. Functional armor looks cooler than nonsense armor. Games have such an immature fixation on showing boobs when designing armor for women. But in a practical sense, torso armor that follows the exact contours of the body would be extremely dangerous in a real combat situation. The purpose of armor is not to make you look sexy, but to protect you from bodily harm. One hit to the torso would cause fatal injuries with the sort of armor female characters are made to wear in Guild Wars. And it doesn’t have to be that way.

It is not difficult to design armor that is practical, and still looks attractive.

The OP was simply asking for more options.
Some like to dress their characters in skimpy armor, some prefer the realistic/practical look.
Also, if we are willing to accept that Elis can shoot fireballs and Necros can summon undead, then a chainmail bikini might as well offer the same protection as full suit of armor.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

The purpose of armor is not to make you look sexy, but to protect you from bodily harm.

I’ve been playing MMOs wrong for months now… But seriously, can you really say this when there is cloth armor in the game? You can cover yourself head-to-toe with linen or leather and it’s not going to protect you from fire or giant greatswords.

AshBenzo.8923:

Well that’s probably your servers! but mine, cultural 3 medium armor for humans are the top picks and I don’t blame people for picking that one. And I disagree with you, Citadel of flame armor is totally not the popular.

Ok, so if this popularity is indeed based on servers you don’t really have a right to say “this is the most popular”. We can disagree with each other all we like, but there is no feasible way to prove which armor is the most popular. I understand this is a pedantic argument to make but you are saying that the item’s popularity shows people interest in skimpy armor. It’s not really right to speak for other people or provide baseless statements as facts.

Even if you were able prove it and it were true, popularity doesn’t always a means of results. Video games are meant to please the public but we need to consider the time and effort it takes to produce armor. With the Orr female exotic armor being censored after beta, I have a feeling that there are some things they can’t do with armor.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

AshBenzo.8923:

Most female fan arts are of more revealing armor because they are appealing to not just male but to female also. Why is that? because it looks sexy. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just have to look good.

If it makes sense, it can also look just as good, or better. Functional armor looks cooler than nonsense armor. Games have such an immature fixation on showing boobs when designing armor for women. But in a practical sense, torso armor that follows the exact contours of the body would be extremely dangerous in a real combat situation. The purpose of armor is not to make you look sexy, but to protect you from bodily harm. One hit to the torso would cause fatal injuries with the sort of armor female characters are made to wear in Guild Wars. And it doesn’t have to be that way.

It is not difficult to design armor that is practical, and still looks attractive.

There you go again, saying how things don’t make sense. It’s just a game. You know it isn’t realistic right? Read the whole post before you post again please.

Why isn’t military using full covered armor? because your talking about strapping over 100lbs of equipment onto people. No one would have to worry about shrapnel, they’d be dying of heat exhaustion. It isn’t that different from your reasoning of skimpy armor not being realistic. Fully covered equipment aren’t realistic either.

Anyway, enough of this talk about wanting the game to be realistic. It’s never going to be.
But please if you’re going to post again, make your own thread. I don’t want this forum of mine to be about you and me. Go make your own forum and i’d be glad to talk it over with you there.
And so far you’re the only person as of now to disagree with more skimpy armor.

Please avoid posting here, if you want to have a conversation about this please make your own forum and I’ll be glad to reply there.

AshBenzo.8923:

But please if you’re going to post again, make your own thread. I don’t want this forum of mine to be about you and me. Go make your own forum and i’d be glad to talk it over with you there. And so far you’re the only person as of now to disagree with more skimpy armor. Please avoid posting here, if you want to have a conversation about this please make your own forum and i’ll be glad to reply there.

So I should go away, because you don’t like discussions on this forum that is not your own? I’m sorry but I don’t find myself persuaded by that at all, and I’ll argue as much as I want. Everyone on this forum is entitled to their opinion, including you and me, and we have the right to express that opinion as politely as we can.

AshBenzo.8923:

There you go again, saying how things don’t make sense. It’s just a game. You know it isn’t realistic right? Read the whole post before you post again please.

I realize its a game, but the way clothing works is pretty common knowledge. Its simply indefensible. Regardless of what setting your in, or if its a game or a movie, clothing has rules.

AshBenzo.8923:

Why isn’t military using full covered armor? because your talking about strapping over 100lbs of equipment onto people. No one would have to worry about shrapnel, they’d be dying of heat exhaustion. It isn’t that different from your reasoning of skimpy armor not being realistic. Fully covered equipment aren’t realistic either.

There is a pretty big difference between the amount of equipment modern soldiers wear, and the fabrics they use, and the armor we were ACTUALLY discussing. Modern armor is entirely not the issue. YOU argued that you can’t move in medieval armor, as is seen in the game. And that’s factually untrue. You can easily find videos on youtube of people doing acrobatics in full plate male. Look it up.

Far more important, is whether armor prevents your arms from moving at all. I think it is entirely reasonable to comment on bad design regarding what metal armor can, and cannot do. And identically, you can criticize the way female torso clothes are designed. Magic does not mean logic goes out the window.

Now I realize this topic is about skimpy armor. Well since my profession is limited to light armor, I have very few none skimpy clothes to choose from, and most of it looks down right silly.

GuardianOMS.8067:

I’ve been playing MMOs wrong for months now… But seriously, can you really say this when there is cloth armor in the game? You can cover yourself head-to-toe with linen or leather and it’s not going to protect you from fire or giant greatswords.

Of course not, and of course in a game there will always be certain liberties regarding fabrics and armor value. But armor has rules and purpose. Just like a bra has rules and a purpose. Even in a magical setting you can’t just flat out ignore common sense just because it looks pretty. It makes it looks dumb. Just show any lady one of these boob-armors, and they’ll be able to tell you that no woman would be able to wear it.

Don’t make excuses for oversexualized female armors. They are an embarrassing staple of MMO’s. And frankly I think we all know it is stupid. What we need is more sensible good looking armor choices. Armor that doesn’t make teenage boys all giddy and sweaty behind their monitors.

It’s very hard to have a discussion with someone who haven’t read the whole post. Anyway it seems your not going to stop so I’ll just stop.
Never said you can’t dodge in full armored. Read the whole post please, it’s still going to be there.

AshBenzo.8923:

It’s very hard to have a discussion with someone who haven’t read the whole post. Anyway it seems your not going to stop so I’ll just stop.
Never said you can’t dodge in full armored. Read the whole post please, it’s still going to be there.

Its very hard to have any discussion at all if the other poster, yourself, constantly cowards out of actual discussion, and keeps suggesting that I don’t read your full post. I DO read your full post! I even quote it from top to bottom, and reply to every single point you bring up. If you can’t defend your position, then just admit you are wrong. But don’t pretend I’m not reading your post.

Here is what you said about armor:

Oh please you’re already posting 3 times about how bad it is but don’t actually look in reality. Clothes doesn’t work that way you said? It’s just a game. There is already enough applied magic to make everything works. It’s just a game it doesn’t have to make sense. Most of the armor is not realistic. Would be able to wear huge giant swords, and fully covered armor that weights a heck ton and manage to run and dodge as effectively as you do without an armor?
Armors do not work that way!

And the answer to that is, YES you could! Otherwise, why would medieval knights wear it in combat? Of course you are quite mobile in a full set of armor, with heavy weapons! Medieval armor was specifically designed to have flexible joints, so the wearer could move fluently in them.

Case in point: http://www.a2armory.com/images/armor/germangothiclegarmor.jpg

You bet you could dodge roll in plate male! Fully flexible!

AshBenzo.8923:

To be honest, I don’t think you’ve read all my post otherwise you wouldn’t be posting these nonsense. Not an attack just reminding you, that you should probably read the whole post.

I certainly haven’t read ALL your posts, but I did read ALL OF THE post that you made in reply to mine. But I don’t see you making very good arguments, apart from “some people like dressing like a Canthan harbor gal”.

that’s what you said, don’t know know how to quote is but whatever.
You’re comparing Guild Wars 2 armor to medieval knight armor which I don’t understand at all since Guild Wars 2 armor is different. First, guild wars 2 HEAVY armor, looks way heavier then your average medieval knight armor.

And when I said you couldn’t dodge EFFECTIVELY as you could with lighter armor. it means effectively, not you CAN’T dodge at all.
it’s a big differences.
I’m not a coward, we can’t have a real discussion because I can’t understand what you’re trying to say.

First you say, you’re all up for options, then you’re saying you’re not.

You want the game to be as realistic as possible, which it can’t obviously.

You want everyone to wear full from toe to head armor because it’s realistic, and I’m fine with that, you get to dress your character the way you want it, and i can dress my character the way i want it? is that not good enough for you?

You’re saying you’ve read all my post, yet you post you haven’t.

You complain about not wanting people to look at your characters, yet you demand better looking armor.

Yes it’s very hard indeed to have a discussion with someone who is always changing their mind.

This is kinda silly argument I think. Do we not agree that we want more options?
Malafide wants her lightarmor user to use decent, realistic possible armor. She should certainly have that option, more so than it is possible atm.
I want skimpy armor for my medium armor user, something which is very limited atm, same as decency is for light.

As I see it what we ALL want here is more and different options, depending on our armorclass. What this is about… all in all. Is variation. Give us more variation! More skimpy medium armor, more decent light armor… and whatever the heavy users need to expand their options. All will be happy!

Imo GW2 has done it just right compared to other MMO-s where 90% of female armors are mostly nothing but skimpy. Is it really so immersion breaking to you because you can’t see your character with half clothes off? I really don’t understand that. And it’s always this discussion over and over again. I don’t want GW2 to turn into a game like tera or tons of other mmo-s that cater mostly to horny teenage boys.

AshBenzo.8923:

Yes it’s very hard indeed to have a discussion with someone who is always changing their mind.

I didn’t change my mind at any point. My opinion has been completely consistent. But you fail at understanding some pretty clear basic English. And I don’t mean that as a cheap shot to insult your linguistic ability. But you are simply unable to understand what I’m saying, despite it being quite clear. Let me illustrate:

“You’re saying you’ve read all my post, yet you post you haven’t. "

That is a very basic misunderstanding of what my post actually said. To quote myself:

“I certainly haven’t read ALL your posts, but I did read ALL OF THE posts that you made in reply to mine.”

Pretty clear if you ask me. But I’ll explain none the less. What I basically said in one very clear sentence, was that I did not go through the entire topic, reading every single post you had made up to this point. What I did do, was read every REPLY that you made to my posts, and read them from top to bottom.

AshBenzo.8923:

You complain about not wanting people to look at your characters, yet you demand better looking armor.

I don’t want people looking up my skirt, checking out my thong. I don’t want to have a short skirt, and I don’t want to be wearing a thong. How is that confusing to you? What I do want is better armor options, but not of the skimpy kind.

AshBenzo.8923:

You want everyone to wear full from toe to head armor because it’s realistic, and I’m fine with that, you get to dress your character the way you want it, and i can dress my character the way i want it? is that not good enough for you?

I didn’t say at all that I wanted everyone to wear full from toe to head armor. At no point did I say that. I did say that I want armor that isn’t sexist, and treats women as highly oversexualized eye candy. Armor should be armor, and not a bikini or a thong. I wouldn’t mind having a choice of undergarments though, but that is a separate issue.

AshBenzo.8923:

You’re comparing Guild Wars 2 armor to medieval knight armor which I don’t understand at all since Guild Wars 2 armor is different. First, guild wars 2 HEAVY armor, looks way heavier then your average medieval knight armor.

Weight isn’t the issue here. But there are basic logical rules to how armor actually works! You should be able to move in armor, it shouldn’t defy gravity… and a bra without straps is going to fall off unless everyone wears double sided sticky tape underneath it. And that’s exactly the point. You don’t have to be a fashion designer to understand that some outfits can’t work in any way. It makes it look dumb, when it could just as well be made to look practical.

AshBenzo.8923:

And when I said you couldn’t dodge EFFECTIVELY as you could with lighter armor. it means effectively, not you CAN’T dodge at all.

But that’s still wrong! You can dodge very effectively in a full set of armor. Being able to dodge out of the way of incoming blows is an essential part of any armor design. No matter how you twist and turn your words, can’t just admit that you were wrong about how mobile you are in a full set of armor? I posted a video. Just admit you were wrong.

CharrGirl.7896:

Imo GW2 has done it just right compared to other MMO-s where 90% of female armors are mostly nothing but skimpy. Is it really so immersion breaking to you because you can’t see your character with half clothes off? I really don’t understand that. And it’s always this discussion over and over again. I don’t want GW2 to turn into a game like tera or tons of other mmo-s that cater mostly to horny teenage boys.

You are completely right, a lot of MMO’s are way worse. Why can’t people get over the fact that yes women can have a nice figure… but so can men. Doesn’t mean all female outfits have to revolve around showing off boobs and buttocks just so teenage boys can drool behind their screens and zoom in.

Why this assumption that skimpy outfits are obejctifying? Some girls LIKE those outfits. Not only stupid, ignorant girls. Strong, independant women that know what they want, just as much as the lady in a full gown. Girls and women that are not afraid to show their skin and shape. They don’t do this for the men or the boys, but because they like it. Heck I know I would if I had the body of my toon. It would be pride of myself and not for any man.

Why can’t we have both options? What is so wrong with skimpy armor for those that like it, as long as the other options are also avaiable to everyone else?

I’m all for options. But I notice a double standard (women have tons of skimpy outfits, and very few normal ones. But men are mostly covered up, and have no sexy attire).

When I started playing GW2, I struggle immensely to find some light armor outfit that didn’t look absolutely horrible. If you don’t want to look like a lolita or a bikini model, the options are just very limited.

I wear some pretty skimpy light armor on my pretty mesmer while running dungeons and playing in WvW, but bringing back armors from GW1 wouldn’t hurt. In my opinion GW2 has something for all tastes in armor and that’s how it should remain. Want armor that actually covers and looks fitting for battle? Snag a Citadel of Flame armor or transmute Shadow Armor onto dungeon/crafted exotics, you could even grab some “dark armor” from karma merchants and transmute that as well. Want skimpy revealing dancer clothes? There’s plenty of mix and match options to meet those needs. Of course there are more choices than that but this is just an example.

Also, the statements; “women are objectified enough in fantasy, we don’t need ta do it in our MMOs too.” and “I think skimpy armor is degrading, and stupid.” Are NOT valid reasons to block a certain taste of armors from being developed in an MMORPG where hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions, of people play together and have the option to customize by using transmutation stones and crystals. You don’t like a certain style of armor? Don’t wear it. This goes for all males and females who find it degrading and “stupid” lol. Nobody’s holding a gun up to your head and screaming at you to wear what my mesmer is wearing, want examples of skimpy male armor too?

Pit Fighter armor, the “named” heavy exotic set, the light Twilight Arbor set, light Tactical armor, the craftable Feathered light armor set for the human males, etc.

Knowing ArenaNet, they’ll probably release new armor sets with each new expansion. I would love to see new skimpy armor sets from them as well as tough, reliable armors sets that actually cover the player character. The fact that GW2 allows you to choose what style you want your exotic armor to look like is enough to destroy the “this game objectifies and degrades women beyond belief!” arguement, go play Scarlet Blade by Aeriagames and compare it to GW2, you’ll change your mind immediately.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I’m all for options. But I notice a double standard (women have tons of skimpy outfits, and very few normal ones. But men are mostly covered up, and have no sexy attire).

When I started playing GW2, I struggle immensely to find some light armor outfit that didn’t look absolutely horrible. If you don’t want to look like a lolita or a bikini model, the options are just very limited.

Knock yourself out, http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/

No need to exaggerate, hopefully that website will help you choose armor since you’re struggling immensely.

Axvil.2839:

The OP was simply asking for more options.
Some like to dress their characters in skimpy armor, some prefer the realistic/practical look.
Also, if we are willing to accept that Elis can shoot fireballs and Necros can summon undead, then a chainmail bikini might as well offer the same protection as full suit of armor.

Oh, yeah, he is just “asking for more options”. Well, he also happened to state this:

Guess whats the most popular human armor within the game? You guess it, the human cultural tier 3. Here it is
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/BokoCasso/j1.png
Doesn’t that prove anything?

Assuming that is so, LA would rapidly turn into a strip club when more skimpy, and skimpier armors are introduced. I don’t think anyone would want that?

If you think about it, GW2 has done few quite good equality statements:

The strongest (?) person of the main characters is a female,
there are 3:2 female:male (Well, if you want to count Snaff, make that 3:3) main characters,
the leader of the main character gang is a female,
the most intelligent main character is a female (After Snaff),
there are very few skimpy clad female NPCs…

Now, turning LA into a stripclub? Would take all attention away from the fine accomplishments Anet has made with addressing equality issues, and just turn GW2 into another MMO apparently aimed at lustful teenage boys.

Oh, you think I’m a feminist? Nah, I actually don’t approve of most feminist (majority of them seem to be really just female supremesists, and as long as those people are welcomed by their fellow “feminists” the whole bunch just loses any credibility they might have.)

So I just made a count… seems well covering armor is in vast majority. Even for light armor, which however have the most skimpy armors of the 3 armor classes too.

Medium having the least skimpy, barely any. Even heavy have more. Which is still… barely any.

How anyone can see this game as having too many skimpy sets… where are you looking? Could it perhaps be that the same few sets there IS are used by many.

No one is asking to remove armors already there. Plenty of people love those sets and will use them. What is so kittening wrong with giving more options to those that like skimpy? Please tell me?

Don’t come with that crap about it being for horny teen boys… cause it is not. Plenty people… young and old, male and female, LIKE skimpy armor.

My appologies for the bad language, but I simply do not get why anyone is against this. Against having the CHOICE.

I agree 100% with the author of this thread.

I’m also a leather medium armour wearer and I’d like to see more Human Tier 3 style armour.

I’d like to see some more ninja, tight, simple and sublty exposing outfits for the Engineer class! I don’t think this is not a big request as there is only one real outfit like this so far in the game for medium armour.

OK so a few points to make

1) I have read this thread from start to finish, read every side of the argument and have come to a conclusion… BOTH OF YOU need to stop and read in full what the other has said with an OPEN MIND.

• AshBenzo has repeatedly expressed that he is all for adding more covering and practical armors in addition to more skimpy armors.
• Mad Queen Malafide has expressed her standpoint that armors should make sense and not defy the laws of gravity.
• The issue I’ve seen however is that while you may not have directly stated it Malafide, you have implied it in every post. What you have implied in the way you have argued you side is that no skimpy armors should be added, and that all armor should be full coverage. Weather or not this was your intent it is the implied message in your posts and what you imply is just as important as what you say directly.

2) Skimpy armor and Realistic armors aren’t the only thing people want still. There are still quite a few of us that still want Female armor variants for Asura and Charr. Particularly in the area of Heavy armor… I’m aware than many of the Heavy armors are for the most part the same between Male and Female and the only differences is a minor modification to the breast plate, and I’m OK with those armors being identical between Male and Female on Asura/Charr but the armors that have a distinct difference between Male and Female are where the problems are… and some have minor yet distinct changes that give the armor a bit of a different flare for the female variant than the male.

3) I did some checking and have found these numbers for female armors

• Human Light: 10 Skimpy, 25 Full Coverage, 1 Questionable
• Human Medium: 2 Skimpy, 34 Full Coverage, 2 Questionable
• Human Heavy: 4 Skimpy, 31 Full Coverage, 3 Questionable
• Norn & Sylvari differ by 1-2 per armor class from the numbers on Human
• Male armor’s differ by 3-7 per armor class

I do not wish to argue with personal tastes here, but I would just like to express my opinion.
I dislike skimpy armor in every way…
1. The character loses all dignity and is nothing but a ’’figure’’ to look at and feast your eyes upon.
2. I dislike it especially on females…they lose morale and certainly all respect. I like how some medium and heavy armors are well-covered for them, but most of light armor is totally open. It’s better to imagine what’s under that armor…in my opinion.
3. Like said above, better-looking armors are needed. I wanted a nice long dress for my female Sylvari…and the only one I like is the Carrion Acolyte, Nightmare and Orrian armor…so these are just three choices I like…the rest are quite open…yes, the design is nice, but it all looks too provocative and like lingerie.
4. What Tera did with female armors is embarrassing…they are worse than succubus…and I would hate to see anything similar to this in GW2…I know I do not have to wear that, but seeing characters running around like that would make me sick.
5. If that would happen, I would also want to see more male characters in some armored underwear and nothing else… -.-
I like to see when games hold onto some morale…skimpy armor just makes me lose respect for it and players who actually have their characters dressed that way. No offence intended…like stated above, I am just expressing my opinion about this.

Blur.3465:

I do not wish to argue with personal tastes here, but I would just like to express my opinion.
I dislike skimpy armor in every way…
1. The character loses all dignity and is nothing but a ’’figure’’ to look at and feast your eyes upon.
2. I dislike it especially on females…they lose morale and certainly all respect. I like how some medium and heavy armors are well-covered for them, but most of light armor is totally open. It’s better to imagine what’s under that armor…in my opinion.
3. Like said above, better-looking armors are needed. I wanted a nice long dress for my female Sylvari…and the only one I like is the Carrion Acolyte, Nightmare and Orrian armor…so these are just three choices I like…the rest are quite open…yes, the design is nice, but it all looks too provocative and like lingerie.
4. What Tera did with female armors is embarrassing…they are worse than succubus…and I would hate to see anything similar to this in GW2…I know I do not have to wear that, but seeing characters running around like that would make me sick.
5. If that would happen, I would also want to see more male characters in some armored underwear and nothing else… -.-
I like to see when games hold onto some morale…skimpy armor just makes me lose respect for it and players who actually have their characters dressed that way. No offence intended…like stated above, I am just expressing my opinion about this.

You have a right to your opinion. You do not have the right to insist others cater to that opinion.

stale.9785:

You have a right to your opinion. You do not have the right to insist others cater to that opinion.

I did not insist that. I just posted the way I feel about skimpy armor and how it affects me.

Blur.3465:

I do not wish to argue with personal tastes here, but I would just like to express my opinion.
I dislike skimpy armor in every way…
1. The character loses all dignity and is nothing but a ’’figure’’ to look at and feast your eyes upon.
2. I dislike it especially on females…they lose morale and certainly all respect. I like how some medium and heavy armors are well-covered for them, but most of light armor is totally open. It’s better to imagine what’s under that armor…in my opinion.
3. Like said above, better-looking armors are needed. I wanted a nice long dress for my female Sylvari…and the only one I like is the Carrion Acolyte, Nightmare and Orrian armor…so these are just three choices I like…the rest are quite open…yes, the design is nice, but it all looks too provocative and like lingerie.
4. What Tera did with female armors is embarrassing…they are worse than succubus…and I would hate to see anything similar to this in GW2…I know I do not have to wear that, but seeing characters running around like that would make me sick.
5. If that would happen, I would also want to see more male characters in some armored underwear and nothing else… -.-
I like to see when games hold onto some morale…skimpy armor just makes me lose respect for it and players who actually have their characters dressed that way. No offence intended…like stated above, I am just expressing my opinion about this.

You have extremist point of view on what nudity is. I only view private areas as nudity.