Guild Wars 2

nenosronhir.3658:

shenhua.2186:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

For example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Arah_armor_light_human_female_front.jpg

Boob-armor!

I love how you managed to pick an an armor that shows no skin, unless of course the armor changes the color of your skin. Perhaps it’s like one of those tattooed sleeves or whatever I’ve heard about.

Let’s say that hypothetically people are offended by people showing some semblance of skin in a video game due to whatever reasons. Can’t I just say that I’m offended that someone covers up their character so much that it makes it seem like they’re trying to protect the world from the greatest evil mankind has ever seen?

I’ve hardly ever seen the pro-skimpy crowd go for the removal of all garments that cover any skin whereas the other side seems to want the game to feature mummified corpses with atleast 4 layers of bandages underneath everything.

One side tries to add variety for all, the other wants to belittle and insult anyone even remotely interested in something other than 150% coverage.

Has it not occured to people that the reason why “LA” looks like a stripjoint is because there is a serious lack of variety in armors. If there were more DIFFERENT looking armors of both kinds maybe(but I doubt it since some people want to be offended) LA wouldn’t be the stripjoint people are referring to.

let’s be honest i’m belittling the reasons less than 150% coverage is wanted, not the desire of less than 150% coverage. honestly i’d be alright with less coverage if everything that entailed wasn’t hypersexualized or impractical (or more often than not, both).

also not intending to speak for Malafide here but they’ve continuously been arguing points about armour practicality, not only criticizing the armour-to-skin ratio, so your point there is moot.

http://l-clausewitz.livejournal.com/384382.html
http://madartlab.com/2011/12/14/fantasy-armor-and-lady-bits/

both relatively on topic and informative links about breastplates and women-in-armour in general, not sure if this was linked previously, but hey, relevant.

Onshidesigns.1069:

This post is being trolled by people with Very extremist points of view. I suspect some of them are from countries where their governments suppress their individual rights.

what is wrong with you do not even attempt to undermine the arguments going on here by implying non-white non-american voices don’t carry the same weight seriously go kitten yourself and don’t let the door hit you on the way out

Who the kitten said anything about non-white? American has the more racial diversity than any other country.

You must hate America. But you don’t realize America or Obama does not call the shots. Central banking and Bilderberg already control everything.

Geotherma.2395:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Anet, there are many people with extremist points of view on how much skin should be visible in game. Some claim it undermines women to show more skin ingame. But few people have said they want the armor to look like Tera. These extremists forget that many women in the 60s and 70s fought hard to express themselves in the sexual revolution.

Instead of armor like Tera. How about armor that’s a little more skimpy but stylish.
Like these examples.
*first image: shows the type of form fitting armor this game is missing
*2nd image: Is skimpy without being like Tera
*3rd image: Or right, need more mini dresses/shirts

Why do people keep posting armor from Aion……..

Examples have to come from somewhere.

Geotherma.2395:

If the armor gets any more skimpy they will be naked… The title of this thread just makes it sound straight sexist and teen-boy ish…

Why not just start a “serious” thread about how we would like new armor styles on characters outside of gem shop. Then an actual discussion could have been had.

that’s because the discussion is sexist, and with a different topic it would just be thinly veiled sexism instead of overt sexism. but they have said a few times that the title was ill conceived and they want armour on the level of what’s already in-game at greater variety.

they’re whining about equality, too, which doesn’t mean what they think it does. you know who used to do balanced design really well? FFXI. frilly and brilliantly ridiculous on either gender.

Geotherma.2395:

If the armor gets any more skimpy they will be naked… The title of this thread just makes it sound straight sexist and teen-boy ish…

Why not just start a “serious” thread about how we would like new armor styles on characters outside of gem shop. Then an actual discussion could have been had.

PS to the person who keeps posting the Aion pics.. I’m just gonna give people the actual link, cause basically thats what your asking for is armor from Aion.

http://gameguide.na.aiononline.com/aion/Crucible+Gear

Only light armor shows any skin. But still covers the back with a coat.

When I vote for skimpy armor, I’m not talking Aion skimpy but Guild Wars skimpy.
Examples:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Mesmer_Elite_Enchanter_armor_f.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Ritualist_Asuran_armor_f.jpg

Really, we need a better word than skimpy. To many people see that word and think nearly naked or something.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Geotherma.2395:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Anet, there are many people with extremist points of view on how much skin should be visible in game. Some claim it undermines women to show more skin ingame. But few people have said they want the armor to look like Tera. These extremists forget that many women in the 60s and 70s fought hard to express themselves in the sexual revolution.

Instead of armor like Tera. How about armor that’s a little more skimpy but stylish.
Like these examples.
*first image: shows the type of form fitting armor this game is missing
*2nd image: Is skimpy without being like Tera
*3rd image: Or right, need more mini dresses/shirts

Why do people keep posting armor from Aion……..

Examples have to come from somewhere.

yeah, and aion’s a pretty bad example if you’re shooting for equality, with the exception of their heavy(?) armours (if what geotherma previously linked was a universal truth to their designs)

Onshidesigns.1069:

Who the kitten said anything about non-white? American has the more racial diversity than any other country.

You must hate America. But you don’t realize America or Obama does not call the shots. Central banking and Bilderberg already control everything.

yep u got me hatin amurrikka is for cool kids

Astral Projections.7320:

When I vote for skimpy armor, I’m not talking Aion skimpy but Guild Wars skimpy.
Examples:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Mesmer_Elite_Enchanter_armor_f.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Ritualist_Asuran_armor_f.jpg

Really, we need a better word than skimpy. To many people see that word and think nearly naked or something.

you want to suggest that for town gear or alt gemshop skins or whatever that’s fine but how is that armour to go into battle with (the first one looks like a teddie? the second one apparently already has a similar incarnation in game somewhere, it’s been linked already) imo Anet has taken a few wonderful steps away from their previous game designs (if that’s any indication I never played the first GW) and need to keep forging ahead into something new, not going backwards.

nenosronhir.3658:

Astral Projections.7320:

When I vote for skimpy armor, I’m not talking Aion skimpy but Guild Wars skimpy.
Examples:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Mesmer_Elite_Enchanter_armor_f.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Ritualist_Asuran_armor_f.jpg

Really, we need a better word than skimpy. To many people see that word and think nearly naked or something.

you want to suggest that for town gear or alt gemshop skins or whatever that’s fine but how is that armour to go into battle with (the first one looks like a teddie? the second one apparently already has a similar incarnation in game somewhere, it’s been linked already) imo Anet has taken a few wonderful steps away from their previous game designs (if that’s any indication I never played the first GW) and need to keep forging ahead into something new, not going backwards.

And you think the Winged Set from Guild Wars 2 is “armor to go to battle with”?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Winged_Armor_Female_Human.png

Yes, the Elite Enchanter armor was armor and not as skimpy as the Winged armor.

Onshidesigns.1069:

American has the more racial diversity than any other country.

When you really think about it, this statement is probably wrong. Its a big country for sure. But more racial diversity than ANY other country? I doubt it.

Onshidesigns.1069:

You must hate America. But you don’t realize America or Obama does not call the shots. Central banking and Bilderberg already control everything.

Don’t you think you’re straying just a little bit off topic now?

nenosronhir.3658:

you know who used to do balanced design really well? FFXI. frilly and brilliantly ridiculous on either gender.

I don’t think any RPG should be taking lessons from the Final Fantasy series, to be honest. Regardless of how successful it has been as a franchise.

Onshidesigns.1069:

This post is being trolled by people with Very extremist points of view. I suspect some of them are from countries where their governments suppress their individual rights.

When ever people find themselves lacking in good counter arguments, they’ll instead fall back on bashing on the supposed intentions of the posters, which is a form of discussion that is all over this thread. I have yet to see anyone in this topic, including the OP, admit that he was wrong about some of his statements. That seems to be a very hard thing for people to do: To concede that someone else is right about something. Instead we fall back into this behavior of saying the other side is feminist, or extremist.

This failure to address the valid arguments of the anti-skimpy crowd is blatantly obvious to most of the people reading this topic, I suspect.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

just because you’ve got some feminist opinion on it…yeah, don’t even need to bother.

What is feminist about my opinion? Is it feminist to criticize a clear double standard in an MMO regarding skimpy clothing? Is it feminist to point out that steel thongs and chain mail bikinis are pretty embarrassing?

You don’t need to be feminist to point that out. You could be male or female and still find it offensive and degrading. Defending this side of the argument doesn’t automatically deserve a “feminist” label. If anything it reveals a lot of presumptions and bias on your part.

Probably because you can’t degrade something that doesn’t have emotions and isn’t alive. I find people with those ‘opinions’ tend to over-dramatize the point into having a bias spin when it’s only pixels on a screen. If there was a huge double standard, like half the female armors being just Victoria’s Secret wear or frilly flowers and bows while the men got the real armor, then you’d have a point.

But if you just take a step in the real world, women like to wear dresses and even sexy things which is why those options exist in game But those examples aren’t the majority (THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT!!!). No, females (the real ones) like options moreso than males which is why they exist (that is, dresses, stockings, and such) along side traditional coverage. Just because females have more of those choices than males doesn’t create the double standard you’re talking about. The double standard is that males have fewer choices for those alternative looks.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Onshidesigns.1069:

American has the more racial diversity than any other country.

When you really think about it, this statement is probably wrong. Its a big country for sure. But more racial diversity than ANY other country? I doubt it.

Onshidesigns.1069:

You must hate America. But you don’t realize America or Obama does not call the shots. Central banking and Bilderberg already control everything.

Don’t you think you’re straying just a little bit off topic now?

nenosronhir.3658:

you know who used to do balanced design really well? FFXI. frilly and brilliantly ridiculous on either gender.

I don’t think any RPG should be taking lessons from the Final Fantasy series, to be honest. Regardless of how successful it has been as a franchise.

Onshidesigns.1069:

This post is being trolled by people with Very extremist points of view. I suspect some of them are from countries where their governments suppress their individual rights.

When ever people find themselves lacking in good counter arguments, they’ll instead fall back on bashing on the supposed intentions of the posters, which is a form of discussion that is all over this thread. I have yet to see anyone in this topic, including the OP, admit that he was wrong about some of his statements. That seems to be a very hard thing for people to do: To concede that someone else is right about something. Instead we fall back into this behavior of saying the other side is feminist, or extremist.

This failure to address the valid arguments of the anti-skimpy crowd is blatantly obvious to most of the people reading this topic, I suspect.

Your arguments for overly conservative clothing in this game has no place it todays modern world. Because those views are how you think people should be in the RL. Limiting self expression of others is limiting your personal liberties.

America is the most racial diversity society in the world. People from EVERY county in the world have moved to America for a chance at a better life. America isn’t perfect but at least everyone has a chance of success in America. While in many countries success is based on what family a person is from.

Leo G.4501:

Probably because you can’t degrade something that doesn’t have emotions and isn’t alive.

Oh now you’re just being silly. When we say it is degrading, of course what we mean is that it makes female characters into the typical adolescent boy’s fantasy stereotype. It is the stereotyping that I object to, not the crowd that enjoys it. The degrading aspect applies to the image of women as a whole, not the piece of clothing obviously.

Leo G.4501:

I find people with those ‘opinions’ tend to over-dramatize the point into having a bias spin when it’s only pixels on a screen.

Whether it is pixels on a screen, splatters of paint on a canvas or lines of text in a book. The medium doesn’t matter, but the stereotype that is brought forward does.

Leo G.4501:

If there was a huge double standard, like half the female armors being just Victoria’s Secret wear or frilly flowers and bows while the men got the real armor, then you’d have a point.

The real question is, why do ANY of them look like underwear, when they are supposed to be armor? And why is it always women that get this treatment in games?

Leo G.4501:

But if you just take a step in the real world, women like to wear dresses and even sexy things which is why those options exist in game But those examples aren’t the majority (THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT!!!).

Yes women wear sexy things in real life, to a certain degree. And women sometimes wear VERY sexy things in the bedroom. But for some reason in games, female characters wear these VERY sexy things constantly. Even when they wear a suit of armor, it looks like something that is more about complimenting their breasts and backside, than about protecting. Where as male characters do get functional armor.

Leo G.4501:

No, females (the real ones) like options more so than males

Again a stereotype. Men like options just as much. And there are plenty of women who don’t care that much about what they wear today.

Leo G.4501:

which is why they exist (that is, dresses, stockings, and such) along side traditional coverage.

Dresses and stockings and such don’t only exist just because women like more options. They also exist due to a very long time of women being forced into gender roles, where how they looked was more important than anything else.

Leo G.4501:

Just because females have more of those choices than males doesn’t create the double standard you’re talking about.

Apart from it totally being a double standard in respect to the way the clothing emphasizes sexuality, where as male clothing does not?

Leo G.4501:

The double standard is that males have fewer choices for those alternative looks.

So in other words, there IS a double standard. And men should have equal choices of sexy outfits.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Your arguments for overly conservative clothing in this game has no place it todays modern world. Because those views are how you think people should be in the RL. Limiting self expression of others is limiting your personal liberties.

At what point did I demand overly conservative clothing?

This is not about limiting self expression, but about the persistent portrayal of female characters in video games. And it is also criticism of none functional clothing from my point of view. I just really can’t stand stupid designs, even in a game I love.

Onshidesigns.1069:

America is the most racial diversity society in the world. People from EVERY county in the world have moved to America for a chance at a better life. America isn’t perfect but at least everyone has a chance of success in America. While in many countries success is based on what family a person is from.

How did I end up in a tourism advertisement for America? Man they must ram those patriotic thoughts in at a very young age. And I thought necromancer school was creepy.

Darling, I wasn’t criticizing the country. I was doubting the truth in that quote of yours. Just because America had people from tons of countries move there, does not make it the most racially diverse country in the world. Its kind of a bolt statement you made, and I don’t think it’s correct, despite it being a very diverse country.

Canada is also very diverse, and India is perhaps the most diverse from an anthropological or ethnical point of view. Then there’s Vietnam which is extremely cultural diverse. There’s really no way you can make a statement like that with 100% certainty. How did we end up on this subject?

How about first giving Asura actually useful armour models? Before you know, adding even more for Humans / Sylvari / Norn which will once again look like the same 3-4 already existent armours on Asura and Charr.

That’s the real issue, tbh. 3 races already have lots of armour models which look distinct, 2 races have lots of armour models which all look the same.

nenosronhir.3658:

you want to suggest that for town gear or alt gemshop skins or whatever that’s fine but how is that armour to go into battle with (the first one looks like a teddie? the second one apparently already has a similar incarnation in game somewhere, it’s been linked already) imo Anet has taken a few wonderful steps away from their previous game designs (if that’s any indication I never played the first GW) and need to keep forging ahead into something new, not going backwards.

I actually kind of agree on the first pic, looks like something you’d wear to bed.

The second is nice.

As for the part about going into battle with: Uh, yeah…mages sometimes wear mage gear. What they wear can sometimes be dictated by magic, rituals and such. If my character is wearing something that’s showing skin, it could very well be extremely practical for the type of magic they wield or how they wield it.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

When ever people find themselves lacking in good counter arguments, they’ll instead fall back on bashing on the supposed intentions of the posters, which is a form of discussion that is all over this thread. I have yet to see anyone in this topic, including the OP, admit that he was wrong about some of his statements. That seems to be a very hard thing for people to do: To concede that someone else is right about something. Instead we fall back into this behavior of saying the other side is feminist, or extremist.

Probably because people shove words in the OP’s mouth? What the OP has (many times) repeated and clarified is that people like yourself have assumed something [edit]that he[/edit] didn’t intend to express. Why would the OP have to concede to being wrong about stuff he didn’t say or is being accused of expressing?

Leo G.4501:

Probably because people shove words in the OP’s mouth? What the OP has (many times) repeated and clarified is that people like yourself have assumed something they didn’t intend to express. Why would the OP have to concede to being wrong about stuff he didn’t say or is being accused of expressing?

I have literally quoted him on things he said, and provided a video that proved he was wrong. And at no point did he ever admit being wrong. He just moves on to his next point, and then I prove him wrong again. But never will he concede that he was wrong.

For example, when I commented that one of the armors couldn’t possibly work in any logical sense, because it would require double sided sticky tape, he tried to destroy my argument by saying that no one could ever move like in the game in a full suit of armor either. And then I proved that statement false… but he didn’t admit being wrong, even though I posted a video of someone doing cartwheels in plate-mail.

And of course this whole topic isn’t about mobility in heavy armors, but if you’re going to make a bolt statement, and its proven blatantly wrong, admit that you were wrong.

Similarly, if I point out that female characters in the game have outfits that show their underwear, while male characters do not… that’s clearly a double standard. So just admit that there is a double standard. Don’t just stand by your point when you are clearly wrong.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

Probably because you can’t degrade something that doesn’t have emotions and isn’t alive.

Oh now you’re just being silly. When we say it is degrading, of course what we mean is that it makes female characters into the typical adolescent boy’s fantasy stereotype. It is the stereotyping that I object to, not the crowd that enjoys it. The degrading aspect applies to the image of women as a whole, not the piece of clothing obviously.

Leo G.4501:

I find people with those ‘opinions’ tend to over-dramatize the point into having a bias spin when it’s only pixels on a screen.

Whether it is pixels on a screen, splatters of paint on a canvas or lines of text in a book. The medium doesn’t matter, but the stereotype that is brought forward does.

Leo G.4501:

If there was a huge double standard, like half the female armors being just Victoria’s Secret wear or frilly flowers and bows while the men got the real armor, then you’d have a point.

The real question is, why do ANY of them look like underwear, when they are supposed to be armor? And why is it always women that get this treatment in games?

Leo G.4501:

But if you just take a step in the real world, women like to wear dresses and even sexy things which is why those options exist in game But those examples aren’t the majority (THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT!!!).

Yes women wear sexy things in real life, to a certain degree. And women sometimes wear VERY sexy things in the bedroom. But for some reason in games, female characters wear these VERY sexy things constantly. Even when they wear a suit of armor, it looks like something that is more about complimenting their breasts and backside, than about protecting. Where as male characters do get functional armor.

Leo G.4501:

No, females (the real ones) like options more so than males

Again a stereotype. Men like options just as much. And there are plenty of women who don’t care that much about what they wear today.

Leo G.4501:

which is why they exist (that is, dresses, stockings, and such) along side traditional coverage.

Dresses and stockings and such don’t only exist just because women like more options. They also exist due to a very long time of women being forced into gender roles, where how they looked was more important than anything else.

Leo G.4501:

Just because females have more of those choices than males doesn’t create the double standard you’re talking about.

Apart from it totally being a double standard in respect to the way the clothing emphasizes sexuality, where as male clothing does not?

Leo G.4501:

The double standard is that males have fewer choices for those alternative looks.

So in other words, there IS a double standard. And men should have equal choices of sexy outfits.

Uhg, stop replying to every point like that. It’s okay if it’s, like 3 seperate points but it’s kitten difficult to discuss anything when you’ve broken down a post into 8 little bullets.

But I’ll just leave it to point, until you decide to better organize your posts, that you’re reaching….a lot like the extremist feminists that I often read about (as I don’t ever participate in such discussions). It’s an ever shifting goal post: if women have to look and wear what men do, it’s sexist. If they have options to dress like a woman its a double standard. If they get a minority select of sexy gear it’s blown up into being the majority. So it’s a kitten if you do kitten if you don’t type of circular logic for people like you, which has just spiraled the topic far from what the OP is talking about and MOST IMPORTANTLY dismissing his view (which was more kitten attractive choices in medium armor) wholesale.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I have literally quoted him on things he said, and provided a video that proved he was wrong. And at no point did he ever admit being wrong. He just moves on to his next point, and then I prove him wrong again. But never will he concede that he was wrong.

Meh, I find it hard to discuss with people that label people ‘wrong’ when a lot of it is opinions. I think you’re wrong for thinking you prove people have wrong opinions.

As for pointing out the logical sense and practicality of armor: Uh, no one cares. Why? Because this is asking for more options, not redesigning old options.

Leo G.4501:

Uhg, stop replying to every point like that. It’s okay if it’s, like 3 seperate points but it’s kitten difficult to discuss anything when you’ve broken down a post into 8 little bullets.

It’s important to quote people literally on what they say, because often one page later they will deny saying it at all. Or worse, someone else will jump into the discussion, and have no idea what the context of the reply is. Which is why I literally quote the sentence I’m replying to, for clarity sake.

Leo G.4501:

But I’ll just leave it to point, until you decide to better organize your posts, that you’re reaching….a lot like the extremist feminists that I often read about (as I don’t ever participate in such discussions). It’s an ever shifting goal post: if women have to look and wear what men do, it’s sexist. If they have options to dress like a woman its a double standard. If they get a minority select of sexy gear it’s blown up into being the majority. So it’s a kitten if you do kitten if you don’t type of circular logic for people like you, which has just spiraled the topic far from what the OP is talking about and MOST IMPORTANTLY dismissing his view (which was more kitten attractive choices in medium armor) wholesale.

Oh that is just nonsense, that’s not even what we’re discussing here. The female characters in this game walk around in outfits that show off their underwear! It so clearly is a double standard and sexist. How can you be so blind to the obvious? You don’t see male characters prancing around in outfits that show off their butt and crotch do you? You don’t see them wearing armors that emphasize their man-boobs.

I’m all pro-armor choices. But this typical embarrassing MMO cliche of dressing up female characters in sexy outfits has got to be called out for what it is. Its not an ever shifting goal post. The goal post has been in the same spot the whole time, and people keep dancing around it, trying to dress it up as if it is a work of art, when its just plain old ugly and for all to see.

Some of you seem to be under the impression that I’m taking some kind of extremist feminist position on this, while I’m really being quite soft on the issue (seriously, extreme feminism is scary and quite different from how I’m arguing). Here we have a case where the armor clearly is setting a double standard. Not all of the armor mind you, but some of it is a bit embarrassing. Some of you may think it adds extra options for those who want to dress sexy, I can see that. But it also maintains a persistent stereotype of women that has been in games for a very long time, and not to the credit of the medium/art-form.

Leo G.4501:

Meh, I find it hard to discuss with people that label people ‘wrong’ when a lot of it is opinions. I think you’re wrong for thinking you prove people have wrong opinions.

I only label people wrong, when they’ve made statements that are factually not true. Now you can be of the opinion that there isn’t a double standard, but that’s an opinion that is instantly proven to be wrong by the fact that female characters have various skimpy outfits, and male characters don’t. You can’t stand by that opinion in all honesty, if people post pictures of the armors that show that that opinion is incorrect. Especially when you then say yourself that men need more clothing options.. thus confirming that yes, there is a double standard.

Onshidesigns.1069:

jayb.1329:

man….ytf do people who play video games have to be so kittenn weird and ask for stuff like this?

like seriously….it’s a video game stop being a weird pervert.

Nothing weird of perverted in wanting my avatar to look good. It’s quite normal.

yea look good as in “woah cool armor!” is normal.
look good as in “look at my sexy computer game character” is weird and perverted and generally makes gamers look like losers.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Oh that is just nonsense, that’s not even what we’re discussing here. The female characters in this game walk around in outfits that show off their underwear!

And that’s their choice. What’s your argument against that?

Frankly, I’d want more good looking skimpy outfits so that people who have to wear the ‘underwear’ looking one so often if they want to show a bit of skin have other options. For example, I wear the legs from the feathered set, the chest and gloves from the masquerade set and the shoulders from the arah set on my female sylvari because those are the only sets with feathers and her motif (right down to the Runes of the Flock and her Wing staff and CM swords) has to deal with birds.

If more sets with feathers were made (with more obvious feathers) I’d prefer they show her back and/or legs since I like how she glows at night. If more and better options were present, people would choose what they like which is normal and hopefully desirable.

It so clearly is a double standard and sexist. How can you be so blind to the obvious? You don’t see male characters prancing around in outfits that show off their butt and crotch do you? You don’t see them wearing armors that emphasize their man-boobs.

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage. Can my male wear a suit? Can my male wear a loincloth? You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

If more options with skimpy female armor is necessary so that males can also wear armor so the Norn can show off their tats or the Charr can show off fur patterns (newsflash!: Charr, both male and female, wear the same armor!) then so be it.

jayb.1329:

Onshidesigns.1069:

jayb.1329:

man….ytf do people who play video games have to be so kittenn weird and ask for stuff like this?

like seriously….it’s a video game stop being a weird pervert.

Nothing weird of perverted in wanting my avatar to look good. It’s quite normal.

yea look good as in “woah cool armor!” is normal.
look good as in “look at my sexy computer game character” is weird and perverted and generally makes gamers look like losers.

Can’t I wear sexy armor for me and not for other’s enjoyment? I mean, if I have to stare at my character more than anyone else in the game, why not wear something I like?

Leo G.4501:

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage.

Can my male wear a suit?

Can my male wear a loincloth?

You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

I’m simply wording it like a double standard to get the point across to you.

For me, I’d state it as a ‘lack of diversity’ which has a more neutral yet critical tone whereas ‘double standard’ has a negative tone by dividing ‘something’ into differing schools.

It’s not a double standard. Because there is no ‘one side’ and ‘the other side’ to have a double standard. There are just avatars in a game and males can pick female avatars while females can create male ones. The lack of diversity comes in where players want more options and looks, be they skimpy or not, which can fulfill multiple desires of each gender of gamer, be it a teenage boy who wants to see their human’s butt better or a mature woman who wants to see the fur patterns of her charr or for people like you who want more coverage.

The point to take away from my posts is, demonizing the intent of people’s preferences catches the horny kittens that want to see boobs but it also punishes everyone else who like options. That’s the definition of oppression right there when all people want is options.

Leo G.4501:

I’m simply wording it like a double standard to get the point across to you.

No, you are not only wording it, you are illustrating exactly what my point has been all along.

Leo G.4501:

For me, I’d state it as a ‘lack of diversity’ which has a more neutral yet critical tone whereas ‘double standard’ has a negative tone by dividing ‘something’ into differing schools.

The lack of diversity I think we can both agree on.

Leo G.4501:

It’s not a double standard. Because there is no ‘one side’ and ‘the other side’ to have a double standard. There are just avatars in a game and males can pick female avatars while females can create male ones.

That’s a misconception of the definition of a double standard, relating to gender roles. It doesn’t matter who plays what gender, but the way each gender is presented. Since one gender has blatant sexy outfits, and the other has not, there clearly is a difference in the way both genders are presented. A way I might add, that is a bit offensive to some of us.

Of course you can say that we don’t have to look at it, and we don’t have to wear it if we don’t like it. But that is not the point we’re making. The point is: Why the sexy outfits for women and the normal outfits for men?

Leo G.4501:

The point to take away from my posts is, demonizing the intent of people’s preferences catches the horny kittens that want to see boobs but it also punishes everyone else who like options. That’s the definition of oppression right there when all people want is options.

I don’t think any of my posts so far have demonized the intent of people, although I have pointed out the dishonesty of the way some posters in this thread have argued (by ignoring valid points that were made, and instead making false accusations towards the intent of the anti-skimpy crowd. By calling them feminists and extremist. Pretty big words against people who are simply commenting on bad taste).

None of our posts have been about limiting people’s choices, nor about trying to oppress people. But what we have done is voice our concern for the way women are portrayed in MMO’s, and not just this one.

This:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

That’s a misconception of the definition of a double standard, relating to gender roles.

And this:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

by ignoring valid points that were made, and instead making false accusations towards the intent of the anti-skimpy crowd. By calling them feminists and extremist. Pretty big words against people who are simply commenting on bad taste

Have a link. Granted, the depiction of females in a virtual world should be regulated, the reason the accusations are made is because the overtone present in the opposing argument. Gender roles don’t play a big part in this argument because the depiction of females in GW2 isn’t bad. Why have the anti-skimpy crowd been so vocal about the addition of more options when most of the cries for more options is in places where there are a lack of options?

The point is: Why the sexy outfits for women and the normal outfits for men?

That’s hardly a point to be made as I’m pretty sure the pro-skimpy posters would want to solve that very same issue, especially me.

I don’t think any of my posts so far have demonized the intent of people…

And not everything I post is aimed at one poster.

None of our posts have been about limiting people’s choices, nor about trying to oppress people. But what we have done is voice our concern for the way women are portrayed in MMO’s, and not just this one.

Good, then we’re done here.

jayb.1329:

Onshidesigns.1069:

jayb.1329:

man….ytf do people who play video games have to be so kittenn weird and ask for stuff like this?

like seriously….it’s a video game stop being a weird pervert.

Nothing weird of perverted in wanting my avatar to look good. It’s quite normal.

yea look good as in “woah cool armor!” is normal.
look good as in “look at my sexy computer game character” is weird and perverted and generally makes gamers look like losers.

I posted examples. Or are you too lazy to read all the posts?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage.

Can my male wear a suit?

Can my male wear a loincloth?

You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

You ask for a loincloth! Nothing is stopping you!

Onshidesigns.1069:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage.

Can my male wear a suit?

Can my male wear a loincloth?

You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

You ask for a loincloth! Nothing is stopping you!

But if males get a loincloth set, females would want a loincloth set too (as would I) and it wouldn’t change anything (for MQM)!!

Leo G.4501:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage.

Can my male wear a suit?

Can my male wear a loincloth?

You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

You ask for a loincloth! Nothing is stopping you!

But if males get a loincloth set, females would want a loincloth set too (as would I) and it wouldn’t change anything (for MQM)!!

Lol, I’d like to see an MMO where there is an armor set where female version is covered and male revealing :P But people would just kitten about it I guess. Because of traditional gender roles, males are seen as dominant and powerful therefore anything that reveals their sexuality too much be it dressing skimpily etc. puts a stigma right away. I don’t agree with it but it seems we can’t escape the stereotypical portrayal of genders just yet.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Do any girls in the real world dress this skimpy?

Yes. I wouldn’t see anyone wear that specifically, but I see girls wearing very short, shorts and halter tops / bikini tops which are more revealing than that.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Do any girls in the real world dress this skimpy?

Sexism is not a matter of being forced to wear something. Its the persistent idea that women are sexy barbie dolls, and men are not. Its the different treatment of both genders that makes it sexism. And its hard to deny that there is a double standard.
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Both men and women can be sexy, but what is sexy for each is different. This is based on the shape of bodies and what are attractive traits. For example, large muscles on men are often considered quite attractive, but on girls it’s considered beefy and less attractive. Big breasts on girls are attractive, but on men it’s not. See where I am going?

That is why the armor should not be the exact same for both, but the quality, type and amount of choices should be present. Sorry if I was not clear, but I meant that if each had 3 choices and 1 was sexy (for that gender, maybe pants and topless for man and skirt + shirt for girl – very different but equal imo), 1 was medium with some skin showing and 1 was conservative, that would not be sexist. Even though each gender are wearing different things (i.e. you cannot get a topless female and you cannot get a man with a skirt).

Part of sexism is definitely being forced to do something. For example: a woman doing laundry is not sexist, a woman forced to do laundry very well could be. I agree that being forced into a choice is only part of sexism and is not mutually exclusive to sexism, but having unfair choice attributed to one sex over the other is. This can go either way (in favour of men or women). For example, you could argue that it is sexist that there are very few sexy armor’s for male characters.

nenosronhir.3658:

newsflash you can be a woman and still be sexist wow what a concept, hence why utilizing being a woman in this argument is damaging to the opinion of other women in this thread. the fact that you’re admitting they’re using their gender to legitimize their defense because being a man in this argument automatically makes it sexist is why it’s sexist.

… … Um.. Obviously? What the…? You can be a man and still have someone be sexist towards you too. Go figure. That’s not the point. The point is that they saying they are a woman adds context to their point of view, as the discussion is around sexism.

nenosronhir.3658:

any -ism is the systematic oppression of the given party. you’re assuming men and women are starting on equal ground here, that’s cute.

I suppose it depends on how you define equal ground. If by equal ground you mean they are identical clones of one and other, then no. If you mean they both have choice and neither gender is at a disadvantage, then yes, they are on equal ground. I agree with your definition on -ism. I do not agree that there is a systematic oppression of women in this game.

nenosronhir.3658:

neglecting the fact that real life women are held to absolutely ridiculous standards by mainstream media, yes, women are allowed and should be encouraged to wear what they feel comfortable wearing and it doesn’t hurt anyone else. (and i don’t give a kitten about their “father’s” opinions because their father’s opinions shouldn’t dictate what they can and cannot wear, why would you even bring this up, it’s skeezy and implies kittenshaming).

I agree about mainstream media, but it is also sexist to assume that mainstream media has no effect on men in our society as well. The point about the father matters, because the women are choosing to wear what they want, even though a man is telling them otherwise. Not sure why bringing it up implies skeeze or whatever you’re saying?

Anyway.. my main point is that I think there should be more choice for both genders, more skimpy and more conservative. I do not think these armors should look exactly alike, as that would be stupid. It could also be sexist. For example, if they designed it on a man and put it on a female, that’d be sexist. If they designed it on a female and put it on a man, it’d be sexist. The only way to keep it not sexist, and look Ok is to design them separately.

Jemmi.6058:

Both men and women can be sexy, but what is sexy for each is different. This is based on the shape of bodies and what are attractive traits. For example, large muscles on men are often considered quite attractive, but on girls it’s considered beefy and less attractive. Big breasts on girls are attractive, but on men it’s not. See where I am going?

stop stop stop if it wasn’t obvious before, it’s pretty obvious now that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. this opinion is the product of the sexism inherent to our society. you are making reaching assumptions about beauty based only on mainstream preconceptions that are designed specifically to make people conform to those preconceptions. this does not make them correct or universally applicable to everyone.

That is why the armor should not be the exact same for both, but the quality, type and amount of choices should be present. Sorry if I was not clear, but I meant that if each had 3 choices and 1 was sexy (for that gender, maybe pants and topless for man and skirt + shirt for girl – very different but equal imo), 1 was medium with some skin showing and 1 was conservative, that would not be sexist. Even though each gender are wearing different things (i.e. you cannot get a topless female and you cannot get a man with a skirt).

nothing wrong with a man in a skirt, and the only reason you’re using that example is because feminine traits are not socially acceptable on men who must always conform to the Being a Manly Man regime or face ridicule by their peers because feminine traits on men are bad. AKA another way sexism applies.

Part of sexism is definitely being forced to do something. For example: a woman doing laundry is not sexist, a woman forced to do laundry very well could be. I agree that being forced into a choice is only part of sexism and is not mutually exclusive to sexism, but having unfair choice attributed to one sex over the other is. This can go either way (in favour of men or women). For example, you could argue that it is sexist that there are very few sexy armor’s for male characters.

a woman forced to do laundry very well could be.

is. is sexist.
a woman choosing to do laundry is not sexist.
however a woman choosing to do laundry because it has been systematically emphasized by everyone she knows and everywhere she goes that she must do laundry because she is a woman and women do laundry is sexist.

…Um.. Obviously? What the…? You can be a man and still have someone be sexist towards you too. Go figure. That’s not the point. The point is that they saying they are a woman adds context to their point of view, as the discussion is around sexism.

no, you cannot be sexist against men. yes, you can be discriminatory. you cannot be sexist. many of the things you are thinking of/mentioning in regards to “being sexist against men” is in fact being sexist against feminine traits that men are shamed and looked down upon for attempting to adopt.

nenosronhir.3658:

any -ism is the systematic oppression of the given party. you’re assuming men and women are starting on equal ground here, that’s cute.

I suppose it depends on how you define equal ground. If by equal ground you mean they are identical clones of one and other, then no. If you mean they both have choice and neither gender is at a disadvantage, then yes, they are on equal ground. I agree with your definition on -ism. I do not agree that there is a systematic oppression of women in this game.

there is a systematic oppression of women in everything. it is not going to magically not apply in this game.

I agree about mainstream media, but it is also sexist to assume that mainstream media has no effect on men in our society as well. The point about the father matters, because the women are choosing to wear what they want, even though a man is telling them otherwise. Not sure why bringing it up implies skeeze or whatever you’re saying?

no, it does; your statement seemed to imply that fathers have the right/should be expected to dictate what their daughters wear in the first place, which should not be the case.

Anyway.. my main point is that I think there should be more choice for both genders, more skimpy and more conservative. I do not think these armors should look exactly alike, as that would be stupid. It could also be sexist. For example, if they designed it on a man and put it on a female, that’d be sexist. If they designed it on a female and put it on a man, it’d be sexist. The only way to keep it not sexist, and look Ok is to design them separately.

personally, i’d love the choice to have men running around in women’s armour.

I don’t own any female characters (and I’m a guy) because I don’t kitten to it. but I don’t see the harm in it as long as it’s not like sex slave outfits that the only clothing is thin strips to just cover area’s.

I am actually looking less skimpy clothing. Nearly half the options are already too skimpy for me. If Anet adds more I might just have to quit. Even so, I am trying to find decent looking armor that covers me, and there really isn’t any. Either they are too skimpy or else too boring or ugly. Its sad that people want to mix their gaming experience with a pornographic sight seeing. Yet not everyone is going to appreciate that, and I am certainly one of them.

Diba.4682:

I am actually looking less skimpy clothing. Nearly half the options are already too skimpy for me. If Anet adds more I might just have to quit. Even so, I am trying to find decent looking armor that covers me, and there really isn’t any. Either they are too skimpy or else too boring or ugly. Its sad that people want to mix their gaming experience with a pornographic sight seeing. Yet not everyone is going to appreciate that, and I am certainly one of them.

If you go back to Page 3 I gave a very informative breakdown of the armors in the game… “Half” is a completely inaccurate assumption. In fact, less than 12% of all the armors in this game are even remotely skimpy.

Out of 282 armor sets across all Races, Male, and Female. There are ONLY 33 armor sets that can be considered skimpy. That means you have 249 other options. Of course each race/gender combination only has 149 armor sets. Each class combination has 36-38 armor choices (36 on Light, 38 on Heavy and Medium… odd). Regardless of which armor type, class, and race you are you will NEVER have “half” your armor options be skimpy. Even in Light armor which has the most skimpy armors less than 1/3 of the Light Armors can be called skimpy.

That point aside, More well designed and good looking armors in general is desired by nearly everyone in this topic. Just because we are directly asking for more armors that show some skin to the degree that is already available in existing armors doesn’t mean we don’t want more armors that look great with showing minimal skin as well.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Leo G.4501:

Men have pecs (although I’m sure some players might enjoy making less muscled/husky males). As for being sexist and a double standard, it is to you because you’re not seeing the other side of the coin.

Women like options. Currently, they have options. They can wear ‘dresses’, they can wear very revealing things, and they can wear full coverage.

Can my male wear a suit?

Can my male wear a loincloth?

You’re the blind one because you think options are degrading to women but reverse the double standard that in the process of giving female avatars more options, males are stifled for options.

You do realize that that is what double standard means, right? Men can’t wear a loincloth, women get to run around in armor showing their underwear. That is exactly the double standard I was talking about. A double standard applies to both genders across the board. Its just more bothersome from the female side, due the inherit sexualization of the outfits.

and what’s so bad with looking sexy? I never got that. As a female I LIKE being attractive, I LIKE wearing sexy outfits. Guild Wars 2 has a lot of covering outfits and very few revealing ones. Why can’t females like me have more choice?

Whenever I see a female toon wearing next to nothing, I just assume a teenage boy is behind the controls. The real women I know who play like the tough looking armor.

Skimpy armors? Lol! This is what I think about it. It’s stupid, and it is degrading. An example for any lonely boys who loves to roll their chick characters just to strip them. Google this: “youtube female armor sucks”.

What ticks me off more is the fact that these female characters who wears nothing beat the hell out of my full, heavy armor with 2h sword warrior like nothing. Hell, they make a better tank than I do!

Mirta.5029:

and what’s so bad with looking sexy? I never got that. As a female I LIKE being attractive, I LIKE wearing sexy outfits. Guild Wars 2 has a lot of covering outfits and very few revealing ones. Why can’t females like me have more choice?

Its not a matter of denying you choice. But I don’t want people staring at my character’s undies. And in that respect, especially for light armor wearing professions, there are very limited clothing options that don’t look embarrassing. It seems that whenever I find an armor that looks good, it has some sort of split down the middle that reveals my character’s underwear (hello order of whispers armor). Why are women consistently portrayed this way in video games? Why can’t female characters just have normal practical armors like their male counter parts?

@ Mirta.5029

A typical, modern day girl who desires fame and looking sexy. Try your best to look sexy as long as you want, but by the time you hit 30, you’re out of the box while the younger, hotter, and sexier girls will replace you, and those girls will be calling you something like “grandma” because they think they’re hot. Then it happens to them and so on and so forth.

Isende.2607:

ahem ok. first of all, if you’d like, i can give you my husband’s info so he can confirm that i am, in deed, completely 100% female. second? i agree, i don’t think i would have stated this request as a demand. but that’s just me. last?

i have, currently, 13 characters that i bounce between. all female. all have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, etc etc etc. some of them like a more formal look, some of them like a more playful look, some of them like a more barbaric look, and some of them just like showing off their pure smexiness. yes, i’m an rper at heart.

the point i’d like to make, quite simply, is that i was overall thoroughly delighted at the availability of SENSIBLE armor selections for those of my females who prefer a more sensible wardrobe. but i’m pretty disappointed, for my characters who like things a little more risque, at the options available. my husband was, if not the first, then one of the very first, to combine the vigil leather legs with the duelist top on his ranger, because he wanted her to be sexy as well as powerful. in order to GET that look you MUST mix and match armor pieces, which means sometimes your dyes don’t quite match up. and so on and so on.

so, tl/dr — love the availability to have fully clothed/armored characters, would be thoroughly delighted with some more options for a little more playful or sexy sets.

Because the word of -anyone- online really means diddly in text right? Anyone can grab an image somewhere or say anything online. That is the nature of the net for better or worse.

Also I find nearly all light armors and many order armors to cater to your type of garbage skimpy stuff. I can’t even take the female Vigil armor seriously as I said as it makes no bloody stinking sense.

Oh.. and it is kinda clear you do not understand what sexy and powerful really is if you think showing skin means that while throwing around a fireball.

Simon.3106:

@ Mirta.5029

A typical, modern day girl who desires fame and looking sexy. Try your best to look sexy as long as you want, but by the time you hit 30, you’re out of the box while the younger, hotter, and sexier girls will replace you, and those girls will be calling you something like “grandma” because they think they’re hot. Then it happens to them and so on and so forth.

and I don’t care about that. I don’t look like your typical blonde anyway, so most people probably wouldn’t consider me to be that attractive, besides my own boyfriend. However here we’re talking about a game. Why can’t I wear the armor that I think looks attractive? It’s not real life. Do you think that I can be a mouse like creature in real life? Or a plant person in real life? Why can’t I pretify my characters the way I see fit in a GAME?
If to apply the same logic – it’s unrealistic to think that you will ever own a Ferrari, why are you allowed to drive one in a racing game or in life simulation game?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Its not a matter of denying you choice. But I don’t want people staring at my character’s undies. And in that respect, especially for light armor wearing professions, there are very limited clothing options that don’t look embarrassing. It seems that whenever I find an armor that looks good, it has some sort of split down the middle that reveals my character’s underwear (hello order of whispers armor). Why are women consistently portrayed this way in video games? Why can’t female characters just have normal practical armors like their male counter parts?

http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/human-light.htm
for humans covering armors are:
cabalist, magician, rubrik, seer, guild, country, devout, shadow, stately, student, acolyte, exalted, tier 1 and tier 2, Durmand Priory, ascalonian catacombs, caudecus manor, sorrow’s embrace, citadel of flame, Arah. (I excluded the ones that show any skin at all) (20 out of 37 are completely covering. Some out of the remaining 17 are covering, but not enough for me to count them as completely covering (Example: TA armor shows off your neck))
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/norn-light.htm
for norns covering armors are:
cabalist, magician, rubrik, seer, guild, country, devout, shadow, stately, student, acolyte, exalted, tier 3, Durmand Priory, ascalonian catacombs, caudecus manor, sorrow’s embrace, citadel of flame, Arah. (18 out of 37 are completely covering. Some out of the remaining 19 are covering, but not enough for me to count them as completely covering (Example: TA armor shows off your neck))
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/charr-light.htm
for charr all armors are covering except for tribal. (36 out of 37 are completely covering)
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/sylvari-light.htm
for sylvari covering armors are:
cabalist, magician, rubrik, seer, guild, country, devout, student, exalted, tier 3, Durmand Priory, ascalonian catacombs, caudecus manor, sorrow’s embrace, citadel of flame, Arah. (16 out of 37 are completely covering. This is the only case where I would agree that females should have more covering armors. Sylvari lack covering armors)
http://www.gw2armorgallery.com/asura-light.htm
for asura all light armor is covering. (37 out of 37 are completely covering) There is more covering light armor (127 sets out of 185 are completely covering) than skimpy light armor, however more people like skimpy armor therefore more people wear skimpy armor.

KorKor.9452:

Isende.2607:

ahem ok. first of all, if you’d like, i can give you my husband’s info so he can confirm that i am, in deed, completely 100% female. second? i agree, i don’t think i would have stated this request as a demand. but that’s just me. last?

i have, currently, 13 characters that i bounce between. all female. all have their own personalities, likes, dislikes, etc etc etc. some of them like a more formal look, some of them like a more playful look, some of them like a more barbaric look, and some of them just like showing off their pure smexiness. yes, i’m an rper at heart.

the point i’d like to make, quite simply, is that i was overall thoroughly delighted at the availability of SENSIBLE armor selections for those of my females who prefer a more sensible wardrobe. but i’m pretty disappointed, for my characters who like things a little more risque, at the options available. my husband was, if not the first, then one of the very first, to combine the vigil leather legs with the duelist top on his ranger, because he wanted her to be sexy as well as powerful. in order to GET that look you MUST mix and match armor pieces, which means sometimes your dyes don’t quite match up. and so on and so on.

so, tl/dr — love the availability to have fully clothed/armored characters, would be thoroughly delighted with some more options for a little more playful or sexy sets.

Because the word of -anyone- online really means diddly in text right? Anyone can grab an image somewhere or say anything online. That is the nature of the net for better or worse.

Also I find nearly all light armors and many order armors to cater to your type of garbage skimpy stuff. I can’t even take the female Vigil armor seriously as I said as it makes no bloody stinking sense.

Oh.. and it is kinda clear you do not understand what sexy and powerful really is if you think showing skin means that while throwing around a fireball.

I don’t think anyone can shoot a spell off properly without having the least amount of armor on. Light armor professions do not rely on their armor values to stay alive most of the time. They have spells for that. IMO light armor can have endless possibilities to how it looks as far as skimpy goes because of this truth.

People talk about how light armor is so impractical in combat…..well thats because it is. It is light armor!. Professions with light armor use skills that protect them! redudant.

I don’t mind the skimpy armor. I do not think it is trashy at all. The winged set is actually quite beautiful. There are a lot of choices that are not revealing. There is no stereotype because there is other choices. The stereotype occurs when they only choice you have is skimpy/revealing/trashy or whatever you have been calling it. Yes I am a real woman.

@AshBenzo.8923

That human cultural tier 3 armor is the most popular? Bull…. LOL! Dont’ make your opinion a fact, boy. I’ve played since beta and I’ve only seen 2 out of every other female characters who has worn that armor. Good try, trying to make your point with such false info. What kind of reply is: “After playing Guild Wars 2 since release, I’ve began to notice a few things from here and there.” I’ve been there since beta, which is wayyy before the release. But I don’t blame you for your false facts. Lust takes over the mind sometime, doesn’t it? It let you see and believe what it desire. Brain is in the head, not down there, fyi.

This thread title should have been “Battle of the sexes GW2 Version”. ^^

Geotherma.2395:

This thread title should have been “Battle of the sexes GW2 Version”. ^^

well really it’s mostly females arguing between themselves whether or not they want to see any skimpy armors in the game. :P

women, for kitten’s sake. we are not “females.” we are women.

and no, it’s really not just women arguing amongst ourselves. i respect the other women who would feel empowered by getting their characters into whatever makes them feel like a bamf, and they shouldn’t be shamed for wanting this.

unfortunately the issue here is a) complicated by this catering to the male gaze, and b) the fact there are women expressing that they aren’t comfortable with adding more/similarly revealing outfits.

bmabrey.7859:

Whenever I see a female toon wearing next to nothing, I just assume a teenage boy is behind the controls. The real women I know who play like the tough looking armor.

Adult men do it too. And women would play males in revealing outfits too. If the males in this game looked like Dante from Devil May Cry.

I am finding it utterly disturbing how quite a few women like to expose themselves in such a way.
I know that this is a game, but I would rather look upon a woman who is dressed in dignified clothes with great combination rather than the one who wants all the ’’attention’’ on herself by revealing majority of her skin and hardly wearing anything. To me a personality and soul are more important than how your body looks like. And to be honest, I am tired of seeing female Human characters running around in Masquerade, Winged and Tier 3 armor sets…and these are the armor sets I see the most of them all.
I do understand that this is all about a choice, but I believe that nice, elegant clothes without revealing TOO MUCH can be added, pleasing both sides…and without looking like 21st century pop-stars.
I also have quite a few female friends who prefer being well armored rather than exposing themselves in this way.