Guild Wars 2

Actually, anet has not said no. They said not wit the flame and frost patch.

danbuter.2314:

This game needs mounts. Waypoints suck, and are way too expensive.

I take it you’re too poor and impotent to scrape out a few silver every jump you make?

Perhaps you should earn gold like the rest of us to salve this issue. Waypoints are a gold sink to keep inflation down.

…Not to imply Anet’s brilliant idea to make legendaries sellable is helping, but that’s another topic for another thread.

Orpheal.8263:

A) that all their arguments are easily counterable by simple design decisions that Anet can make, so that mounts would never be any kind of problem in this game, as they would simple be nowhere usable, where Mounts simple don’t belong to be to ensure, that the game will run smoothly further with them being implemented into this game as an alternative travel method

B) beside using waypoints that can be used also as some kind of collectable prestige item for the fun of that, greatly improving

C) also with them especially for RP’ers the games longevity giving people a new long term goal to play for the game, if they have for example no interest in legendary weapons and such stuff …

Response to A): You are not a dev. This post proves your ignorance(I don’t mean to be rude, ignorance is not an intentional insult) on the subject. Mounts are -not- a simple task for a developer to undertake. It is far more complicated than just throwing in a speed increase and some dolyak-shaped pixels. Please ask a dev responsible for the creation of mounts in a new MMO what his job is like on a monday morning and you’ll understand.

Response to: Waypoints are fine. They’re a gold sink to keep inflation down. Sure, Anet is doing it’s damnest to make them obsolete in this matter, but they keep gold worth something when backed correctly. Secondly, by making mounts aesthetics and collectible you begin a path down a slippery slope that leads to cash shop mounts and demands for flying mounts. Mounts shrink the world to-be and reduce the perception of those in already created zones. The beautiful artwork around you that a dev spent a month painting in Caledon is hardly worth looking at when you’re speeding by on your hot pink battle-armored Dolyak that runs at 200% movement speed that you bought on the gem store. They also take up space and are frequently used for trolling. If a player is RPing a touching moment with his character’s love interest and suddenly a trollyak runs up and starts strafing on them, the mood is killed.

C) I’m an RPer. I don’t want a dolyak or a mount. It’d look stupid on an Asura, humans, charr, maybe not Norn but you get the idea. The options we have would look ridiculous and would make the world disproportionately large, forcing devs to make larger zones to accommodate the speed increases of mounts(or, in the case of other games, simply reduce the art quality by a massive amount and lead to boring, bland terrain filled with oddly placed mobs).

And to summarize my points, I shall move a post of mine from another of your many, many, many tautologous threads to this post.

Mounts are a waste of developer time that should be spent on actually necessary additions and fixing critical problems with the game. Horses aren’t even around and the closest thing I’ve seen to a ‘mount’ would be how the Asura occasionally have their golems carry them around, and only in the concept art of Zojja and her golem.
Another problem would be how mounts will literally shrink the world. Well, not literally, but devs will have to work harder and harder to create bigger zones, sacrificing the detail that makes Guild Wars 2 the epic game that it is for space/grind time, as WoW did. Previously massive, epic zones will become quick “Press your Autorun and Steer” activities and will drag aggroed mobs across entire zones. It’ll also make exploration, a rewarding and previously fairly challenging activity boring and bland.
Waypoints are a fine way of travel that requires you to actually explore a little. If you don’t want to put effort into Tyria, it’s devs should not put effort into you.

Yes, my argument is obviously badly thought out, and it’s a “FACT” that Devs can just magically whisk mounts away to make my non-mount gameplay perfect and a dream world. Forget I said anything.

I’m sort of mixed on the whole mount topic. I’m not ‘automatically against them because WoW has them’ as some are. I’m not automatically for it because they would be cool. Of course, I’d drastically limit it to 1 or 2 types of mounts per race. They don’t necessarily have to be limited to that race (IE a charr could ride a human mount), but they might be race ‘typical.’ Something you would expect to be a mount for that race, such as horses for humans, giant devourers for charr, maybe sometype of golem or other mechanical what-have-you for Asura, etc.

Implementing something of this level would take a lot of planning and coding to do properly without throwing current systems out of balance…ie make them irrelevant. It would require proper and thorough testing across all classes, all environments. Full regression testing to make sure everything still plays nice with itself. In other words, even if they decided to give us mounts, don’t expect to see it for quite some time. This being said, I’d prefer if they spent their time on more productive updates – bug fixing, harder content, more dungeons, more pvp arenas/modes, etc, before looking at something like this as these really are just a vanity item.

I agree – but way points = easy way out from having to develop mounts.

However, I’m sure it doesn’t mean “No mounts at all… At some eventual point in the mists”

I honestly hate the idea of way points being everywhere.

It completely shrinks the scale of the world down by allowing players to instantly travel from one side of the world to the other, Instead of the need to travel through all the beautiful landscapes and harsh terrain that we ventured through to get there in the first place.

Really If I was on the design team, I would be so annoyed to have all my work instantly evaded =P.

As for the mounts, I would welcome the idea under the condition that 90% of way points were removed and only a single -Main Gate- such as those for Main capitals or WvWvW portals were spread out across the zones in a central location.

Such as a portal in the Iron Marches which would act as a central location to travel to surrounding areas, Dredgehaunt Cliffs up north, Fireheart Rise down south. In order to travel to these locations you would first need to take the portal to -the Iron marches- and then mount/run to your destination.

This is how I would have set out way points if mounts were part of the original plan, but since they’re not and way points are everywhere!, mounts are not really a high priority or requirement at the moment.

Mounts should be added, with enough extra speed to be useful. And maybe with the possibility to take 1-2 passengers with you. a 6% speed boost would be nice, and mounts are awesome in a cosmetic way.

Though Guild wars 2 is a legacy which have to make stand. And focusing on mounts should be a priority, but not the first one. I would rather have capes, more land and a higher level cap. then a dolyak or griffon which I’m riding on.

I think mounts could be an xpac feature when they introduce more land. The land could flourish with wild horses which humans could train and then I could finally have my pony! <3

I agree with that Snow, I also think it would be cool to capture, tame and train your own mount over extended amount of time. Similar to how it is in real life. You can’t just grab a while animal and ride it… well you could but it wouldn’t be much fun IMO. I also think that keeping it just to a Dolyak would be a little boring. I’m originally from World of Warcraft and I highly enjoyed the mounts avalible there but I’m not looking for speed or flying. Honestly I wouldn’t care if it was slower then normal run speed (w/o boosts), Its all cosmetic to me and would give me something other then normal game play to spend my time with, as a hobby so to speak.

no mounts ever.

But please give all professions equal access to speed buffs (existign ones), its really annoyng to watch that thief run away over and over again.

Well that’s the point silly and why don’t you want mounts? How does it affect you? If you don’t want one then don’t get one. Doesn’t mean it has to be banned across game for those who enjoy the cosmetics of them.

I don’t understand the ‘no mounts ever’ no-compromising crowd either.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

My, what an eloquent speaker!

Snow White.9680:

My, what an eloquent speaker!

I know right? XD

Probably too tired of these tautologous threads to type out the argument he’s had to repeat a hundred times over and summarized it.

I think that mounts would be a great addition to the game. I think that you could have cosmetic mounts and maybe even WvW mounts that would give you speed boons. I think there could be Guild Dolyaks and you could ride around on them in WvW that could be purchased with influence. I also think that you could have mounts from rare dungeon mounts and another idea I had was like a legendary weapons you could make something that could “call” or “summon” a legendary mount of somesort.

There is not a desire for mounts!

I respectfully disagree with the idea. Getting around on foot doesn’t take that long to be laborous, and the waypoints aren’t that expensive to use, even on higher levels.
All in all, I also think they’d look great, but I don’t think they’re required at all. I, personally, never missed having a mount in this game.

I like the on-foot exploration; finding new places has been one of the neat things about this game, but I’m fairly new to it. Mounts are cool, but in a game that is really about mobility and movement of a character, I can see where they would be a difficult implement.

For those who are yarping about the ‘realism’ of it. I say if there /were/ to be mounts, perhaps it should be realistic to an even higher degree. You can’t just pull a mount out of your butt anywhere, any time, to travel; nothing ‘summonable’. Instead, maybe you need to put a mount in a stable of some sort, and would go pick it up there if you want to keep it. Where you leave it is where it is. You aren’t allowed mounted in certain areas / terrain, because the mount won’t be having it. So you’ll need to dismount to fight with your weapons, go to certain areas, and so on, and if you don’t put the mount back into a stable when you log off, it stays where you left it and someone else can take it. It’d be sort of like a ‘pick up’ item. I’d imagine they could also be destroyed too, if they’re just left standing out somewhere. They could potentially be set on follow, if you just want to lead them around (anywhere they’re allowed / willing to go, of course, otherwise they’ll be left where they stop at their peril.) Possibly there could be an item, or just the ‘follow’ function that ‘assigns’ the mount to someone (so the mount’s floaty name denotes it belongs to a person), just so people know not to steal it, but if the person logs off without stabling it, the name gets removed, and it’s free game for anyone. Or the person could just ‘release’ it.

Not saying I’m for mounts being implemented, but if they were there, I’d think that’d be a neat way to do it. Offers restrictions on them, so a lot of the gripes are taken care of. Allows for the people who want to deal with all that mess to still have mounts. Makes them more ‘part of the world’, and not necessarily at all like WoW, because they’re ‘share-able’ and non-permanent so to speak. They could each have one or two different abilities, kind of like held items do now, and maybe be a useful (or useless, depending) thing in groups.

Just my 2 cents on this.

Dasair.4307:

nstead, maybe you need to put a mount in a stable of some sort, and would go pick it up there if you want to keep it. Where you leave it is where it is. You aren’t allowed mounted in certain areas / terrain, because the mount won’t be having it. So you’ll need to dismount to fight with your weapons, go to certain areas, and so on, and if you don’t put the mount back into a stable when you log off, it stays where you left it and someone else can take it. It’d be sort of like a ‘pick up’ item. I’d imagine they could also be destroyed too, if they’re just left standing out somewhere. They could potentially be set on follow, if you just want to lead them around (anywhere they’re allowed / willing to go, of course, otherwise they’ll be left where they stop at their peril.) Possibly there could be an item, or just the ‘follow’ function that ‘assigns’ the mount to someone (so the mount’s floaty name denotes it belongs to a person), just so people know not to steal it, but if the person logs off without stabling it, the name gets removed, and it’s free game for anyone. Or the person could just ‘release’ it.

This is amazing and Id love it!!!!

You want mounts, and I want to be able to eat a magic flower that lets me shoot fireballs. Unfortunately we’re both out I luck. Want to know why? This is the wrong game! Besides, there are tons of issues to be addressed before major programming additions like mounts can even be looked at. Sorry, but it isn’t going to happen. Wake up and smell the skritt man.

I wholeheartily agree with getting mounts in-game. Whether they give a boost or not doesn’t matter to me, I just want them for cosmetics.

Everflame.1305:

You want mounts, and I want to be able to eat a magic flower that lets me shoot fireballs. Unfortunately we’re both out I luck. Want to know why? This is the wrong game! Besides, there are tons of issues to be addressed before major programming additions like mounts can even be looked at. Sorry, but it isn’t going to happen. Wake up and smell the skritt man.

That is a lousy argument. The team responsible for fixing bugs is not the same team responsible for implementing new content or game features.

Also, this is a suggestions forum, so it should always be open to suggestions. Besides, why would it be the wrong game? Guild Wars 1 had a form of mounts.

Bushido.2184:

There is not a desire for mounts!

-He concluded after seeing people that wanted mounts. :S

Snow White.9680:

I don’t understand the ‘no mounts ever’ no-compromising crowd either.

Closed minded people with no imagination, I suspect. Rather than speculate how mounts would work in a game like GW2, they would rather assume that mounts would have to be identical to mounts in other MMO’s. Which is of course quite unlikely to begin with.

I’ll probably shop around for another mmo if mounts do end up getting a definite no. I know it doesn’t make a lot sense to most players but it’s one of those make or breaks for me.

You see..
When asked about mounts in beta start anet said simply: ‘not at launch’. That small comment left a glimmer of hope in me someday I could have a beautiful horse mount in my favorite MMO: GW2. So I went on to I by GW2 and happily leveled up hanging onto that hope…

As time goes on things look grim for mounts especially with a nonsensical hostility about them coming from the community.

I just hope that my dream for a horse in gw2 can come true because I know that gw2 is a hard game to replace.

Snow White.9680:

I’ll probably shop around for another mmo if mounts do end up getting a definite no. I know it doesn’t make a lot sense to most players but it’s one of those make or breaks for me.

You see..
When asked about mounts in beta start anet said simply: ‘not at launch’. That small comment left a glimmer of hope in me someday I could have a beautiful horse mount in my favorite MMO: GW2. So I went on to I by GW2 and happily leveled up hanging onto that hope…

As time goes on things look grim for mounts especially with a nonsensical hostility about them coming from the community.

All that is keeping you here is the “chance” that someday you will get to ride something in the game?

Well then… Good thing it is a buy to play game and not a sub I guess if many people would leave for small things like this and the various others on these forums.

Would you stay for a story instance where you could ride a horse into battle or something? This would make sure that players who don’t want to see mounts wouldn’t, and so long as the instance was optional, I think it would be win win. Maybe even make it repeatable, or have a few of them around. But world mounts.. No.. It starts with PVE, then bleeds into WVW, remember NCsoft is at the top here, and we don’t want GW2 becoming Aion… I’ll uninstall the day that happens.

“There is a desire for mounts!” …..
No there’s not. There’s a tiny handful of you that want to relive glory days of vanilla WoW with fresh new mounts, not gonna happen. They are stupid and pointless. No one wants them, no one needs them.

Nay of the Ether.8913:

“There is a desire for mounts!” …..
No there’s not. There’s a tiny handful of you that want to relive glory days of vanilla WoW with fresh new mounts, not gonna happen. They are stupid and pointless. No one wants them, no one needs them.

And again with the assumptions that everyone who wants a mount is a vanilla WoW fan-boy. It’s such a cheap shot, because it lets you avoid actually discussing if mounts could work in GW2, and if it would be fun.

Besides, how can something be stupid and pointless, when it isn’t in the game yet? What the people in this topic are discussing, is how they would like to ride around on an animal… and quite frankly, that is a pretty fun idea. You are the one assuming that it should there for be EXACTLY like the mounts in WoW, which is not being suggested in the slightest.

For a different point of view, look up the mounts that existed in GW1. It might change your preconceived notion of what a mount can be in an MMO.

We really need mounts, walking to a new way point takes like 4 mins and I am to lazy to do that. It’s not like we got like 15 way point for each area at a max distance of 4 mins. Mounts are needed so hard, we don’t got any speed boost. /sarcams

We don’t really need them. They could only work as decorative thing that does not gives a speed boost.

RetroSamus.9860:

We really need mounts, walking to a new way point takes like 4 mins and I am to lazy to do that. It’s not like we got like 15 way point for each area at a max distance of 4 mins. Mounts are needed so hard, we don’t got any speed boost. /sarcams

We don’t really need them. They could only work as decorative thing that does not gives a speed boost.

We don’t need minipets. Minipets don’t do anything and just are a decorative thing that follows us around.

We don’t need armors. Armors are just a decorative thing that looks nice.

Look, there are many ways in which a mount could work, even with a speedboost (it could be a very short speedboost). But unless you actually try to think about it, you’re not going to come up with anything constructive. And a lot of people in this thread have thought about it, and provided constructive ideas. But you’ve got to be willing to think about it first.

Could mounts be fun? Yes.

Would they unbalance the game? Depends on the implementation.

Well then, lets discuss the implementation.

Might be just my opinion but I’m totally fine with the normal traveling without a mount.

Plus if they would implement mounts I would want a dragon something into the direction of the Secret Of Mana Dragon Flammie.

Honestly… I’m fine as it is. It is fun walking around enjoying the scenery for some time. It’s only annoying for warriors who have no speed buff at all. 25% is minimum to enjoy normal traveling.

Cameirus.8407:

no mounts ever.

But please give all professions equal access to speed buffs (existign ones), its really annoyng to watch that thief run away over and over again.

No speed buffs ever.

See how that works?

Since reading this thread, I have changed my opinion. I think cosmetic mounts should be available… From the Black Lion chest, as an RNG, account-bound, and for a limited time.

Also, OP, if there were ever mounts in the game, you wouldn’t have a horse.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

We don’t need minipets. Minipets don’t do anything and just are a decorative thing that follows us around.

We don’t need armors. Armors are just a decorative thing that looks nice.

Actually, armor provides stats and defense, so yeah, we do need armor. And as for Mini-pets, they, like tonics, are a hold over from GW1. They make sense within the lore.

misterducky.4876:

Actually, armor provides stats and defense, so yeah, we do need armor. And as for Mini-pets, they, like tonics, are a hold over from GW1. They make sense within the lore.

GW1 had mounts. So why not port them as well, like minipets? And they also make sense within the lore as well, since Tyria used to have mounts. Why would they be gone now?

Nay of the Ether.8913:

“There is a desire for mounts!” …..
No there’s not. There’s a tiny handful of you that want to relive glory days of vanilla WoW with fresh new mounts, not gonna happen. They are stupid and pointless. No one wants them, no one needs them.

Yes there is a desire for mounts, there is a big desire for mounts and if you don’t see that then your blind, or just plain stupid. Not only that Anet has already put in 2 mounts into the game but they are only available through the gem store, which imo is totally stupid, I don’t buy gems, if I need them for something like transmutation stones I’ll trade gold, but if they plan on adding mounts and making them only on the gem store they will lose even more players that way, they keep screwing players left and right just to make money off this stupid micro store, but they haven’t added anything real to the game that they haven’t removed or are gonna remove since fractals and that is a huge joke on all of us. Start laughing.
And don’t say they added in the story line stuff, cause that isn’t content, once you finish the story line, your done, you can’t farm the story line, cant get armor or weapons from it, hell, can’t get anything from it, it’s over when it’s over, it’s a total joke, we need to make gold and they aren’t giving us new way to, just taking away the ways we have to make them now so we will buy gems and trade them for gold, you suck Anet.

There could be mounts, but they would have no skills at all, just a speedboon. To not destroy the rest of game mechanics which is tailored for actual players fighting. Mounts should be used as a transportation and nothing else!
More speedboon than normal ofcourse. Like 66, or 100% more instead of 33%. No flying mounts, as this will change too much of the core game.

Mounts should be in line with Legendary. So, takes a long time to gather recources for it, and craft it.

Or they COULD have skills. Like they did in GW1. Seriously, why would any of this be a problem?

Suppose some explorable zones had a Siege Devourer that you could ride on, and it had a skillbar of its own. It may have a faster movement speed, and have much more powerful attacks. But maybe it would also be limited to not being able to swim or jump, and harvesting nodes would not be possible unless you climbed down from the thing. And it may not fit into certain tunnels, because its too big. Maybe you could also not take it through a gate. There’s plenty of ways you could limit the use of such a mount, but it would be a pretty cool addition to the game.

I really think this would need to be a per-zone thing… prevents having to worry about redesigning existing content. Especially flying mounts – much less troublesome if you can only use them in one of those “above-the-clouds” zones with a bunch of airships.

We had some ‘’area-based’’ mounts in GW1, like Junundu Wurms and Siege Devourers. I found it really cool, but since GW2 is an open world, I don’t see why would it hurt adding some rather cool mounts.
ANet is a great company and I think they could come up with very original designs of creatures/vehicles which could serve as transportation.
When I watched “Avatar” I was amazed at how the creatures looked there! And it really gave me a desire to be able to ride something similar to that…
The character also looks somehow royal and proud when on mount…and I would also be more than satisfied with a normal horse for my Human.

Blur.3465:

We had some ‘’area-based’’ mounts in GW1, like Junundu Wurms and Siege Devourers. I found it really cool, but since GW2 is an open world, I don’t see why would it hurt adding some rather cool mounts.

If you recall, you didn’t so much “mount” said creatures as you did polymock into them – getting rid of your character entirely. It’d be like using a potion to don a costume and running around the out-town world in it.

Also, just because I’ve always wondered this, outside of the single concept art for Frost and Flame, has anyone actually seen a horse in game? I mean, everyone is always mentioning horses/ponies as mounts when they bring this topic up (exaggeration, of course), but I have yet to see a single equine in this actual game anywhere. Just curios.

Sure , lets have mounts, but lets make them 10 times harder to get than legendaries.

There were necrid horsemen in GW1. That’s about the extend of horses seen in Tyria.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

There were necrid horsemen in GW1. That’s about the extend of horses seen in Tyria.

That is true, although we never knew how long those bodies had been there – might be all the horses died with them. I will concede to that definitely though, I feel dumb for forgetting it (heck, I had that as a mini in 1!).

It would be pretty cool as a necromancer, to ride around on a necrid horse. And technically, a necromancer could simply summon a mount like that out of the ground.

For an asura mount, maybe the mount could simply be air-dropped into the zone. A sylvari mount could grow from the ground, just like a plant. There’s a few creative things you could do with personal mounts.

I think there should be 3-4 types of mounts.

1: The regular mounts. Such as: Horses (Maybe cars made by the Iron Legion?)

2: Flying mounts. Such as: Mini Dragons

Now here come new ideas for mounts

3: Underwater mounts. Such as: Submarine (Made by Iron Legion)

4: Mounts you can ride on the surface of water. Mini Whales

(What do you guys think?)

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

It would be pretty cool as a necromancer, to ride around on a necrid horse. And technically, a necromancer could simply summon a mount like that out of the ground.

For an asura mount, maybe the mount could simply be air-dropped into the zone. A sylvari mount could grow from the ground, just like a plant. There’s a few creative things you could do with personal mounts.

You know, I sat here with a nagging thought in the back of my head for a bit, and then it hit me:
GW2 does have moments of area-based “mounts” – the level with the sweet-kitten war suit you do in the later part of the personal story! Granted, again, I don’t feel that these are really “mounts” per say – and if this is the kind of stuff we are arguing for as mounts then I’d be fine with some more instanced areas that would use such things. The only gripe I have towards the mounts is that with waypoints it just doesn’t seem necessary to the amount of effort that the team would need to put into it – assuming, of course, we aren’t on this kick of “they need a bajillion % speed boosts and super powerful moves” that some people go for. In an instanced place like a dungeon, that’d work fine as it could be worked around and limited to the point it wouldn’t break anything. Granted, as far as polymocking goes, there’s the one frog-based champions event where they turn you into various things (or the heart you need to be a moa to dig things up as).

Open world, I feel like it’s just going to be abused to avoid content and be a general pain in the butt by most people, especially if they are in any way something that isn’t just aesthetic, and I think to most people who don’t want mounts, thats the main complaint.

I too am pro-mounts and wish to have some in game! Don’t scream at me, I just find them to give that more “Fantasy” feeling to the game…way more than waypoints and all the Asuran technologies, to be honest…

Pip.2094:

I too am pro-mounts and wish to have some in game! Don’t scream at me, I just find them to give that more “Fantasy” feeling to the game…way more than waypoints and all the Asuran technologies, to be honest…

Well, to me “Fantasy” does not equal “do what others do, and only that”. As the matter in fact, I think it is a nice touch that they added some simple lore for map-travel. Therefore, I am having somewhat difficult time understanding your point of view, would you care to elaborate on how exactly mounts, and only mounts, can be the fantasy method of travel?

Pip.2094:

I too am pro-mounts and wish to have some in game! Don’t scream at me, I just find them to give that more “Fantasy” feeling to the game…way more than waypoints and all the Asuran technologies, to be honest…

Waitaminute – the ability to ride a horse (something that you, personally, can do in reality) would be MORE fantastic than steampunk teleportation, dragons, shapeshifting, magical fireballs, hammers made of mercury, hordes of undead, a city built by gods, and sapient polar bears.

Really?