Guild Wars 2

In my opinion, I think legendary weapons are pitched at the right level, they are not supposed to be easy to get, otherwise everybody would have one. I dont think that you are supposed to go onto the TP and buy loads of weapons from it just to throw into the forge, i think the idea is to farm (karma for example)and when exotics drop, you then throw them in (no money being spent here) i have had a look at the Precursors needed to obtain the Twighlight and i have to say that, yes its going to take a while to get all the items together to be able to craft twiglight, however, in time and without spending a great deal of money, i should be able to get one. All the Precursors required can be obtained by a little hard work. Again it is only my opinion.

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

In my opinion, I think legendary weapons are pitched at the right level, they are not supposed to be easy to get, otherwise everybody would have one. I dont think that you are supposed to go onto the TP and buy loads of weapons from it just to throw into the forge, i think the idea is to farm (karma for example)and when exotics drop, you then throw them in (no money being spent here) i have had a look at the Precursors needed to obtain the Twighlight and i have to say that, yes its going to take a while to get all the items together to be able to craft twiglight, however, in time and without spending a great deal of money, i should be able to get one. All the Precursors required can be obtained by a little hard work. Again it is only my opinion.

In your opinion. Anet disagrees.

fellyn.5083:

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

In my opinion, I think legendary weapons are pitched at the right level, they are not supposed to be easy to get, otherwise everybody would have one. I dont think that you are supposed to go onto the TP and buy loads of weapons from it just to throw into the forge, i think the idea is to farm (karma for example)and when exotics drop, you then throw them in (no money being spent here) i have had a look at the Precursors needed to obtain the Twighlight and i have to say that, yes its going to take a while to get all the items together to be able to craft twiglight, however, in time and without spending a great deal of money, i should be able to get one. All the Precursors required can be obtained by a little hard work. Again it is only my opinion.

In your opinion. Anet disagrees.

Just how does ANet Disagree

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

fellyn.5083:

Azzrael Deathbane.4965:

In my opinion, I think legendary weapons are pitched at the right level, they are not supposed to be easy to get, otherwise everybody would have one. I dont think that you are supposed to go onto the TP and buy loads of weapons from it just to throw into the forge, i think the idea is to farm (karma for example)and when exotics drop, you then throw them in (no money being spent here) i have had a look at the Precursors needed to obtain the Twighlight and i have to say that, yes its going to take a while to get all the items together to be able to craft twiglight, however, in time and without spending a great deal of money, i should be able to get one. All the Precursors required can be obtained by a little hard work. Again it is only my opinion.

In your opinion. Anet disagrees.

Just how does ANet Disagree

Because they are making precursors easier to get, starting in the next build/patch.

They better tread realllllly carefully with this update. Legendaries are already pretty common, only yesterday we saw 2 people in the same party on the same server with legends

I’ve spent a lot of gold trying to get a precursor to no effect. They nerf my class nigh every patch yet fix none of it’s bug, and they’re introducing gear creep when it was a manifesto promise that this wouldn’t be the case.

If they suddenly make precursors ten a penny, slap more nerfs, fail to fix more bugs and address serious balance issues and then add a new layer of gear to boot; I won’t be around for the next patch.

There’s only so many times you can beat on a customer and expect them to come back for more.

Why does everyone think that the precursor will be “easier” to get? Now it’s a pure luck-based system. Actually it can’t get much easier than throwing 4 rares into the MF and having a lot of luck. And it can’t get more annoying than farming Plinx for 150 hours.

I for one hope that it’s gonna be still really hard, but less painful – for example giving it as a reward for the dungeon master achievement. Just don’t make me farm 250 lodestones, 500k karma or 300g kitten

Oh the Irony.. You all got what you wanted… And now a new thread will open about everyone whining about mat prices which will go through the roof…

*Grabs popcorn, getting ready for Act 2

Ravax.1205:

Oh the Irony.. You all got what you wanted… And now a new thread will open about everyone whining about mat prices which will go through the roof…

*Grabs popcorn, getting ready for Act 2

Not all of us

I’m happy with the current system. Most my guild feels legendaries are already too common (When you see two guys with legends in the same event on the same server at the same time, that’s already too common. The game’s only been out 3 months!)

And then there’s good business buying and selling precursors. If the precursors become easier to obtain, that’ll teabag the precursor market so that the rich stay rich and nobody else can join the rich elite club because there’s nothing on the market that can earn you triple-figure sums.

Then people’ll continue to kitten about they can’t join the rich club and you know what… it’ll been their own kitten fault. I’m just fed up the whining majority dragging me with them, leave me out of it.

Who cares if they are rare? All that matters is if you like the skin or not.

Whining majority? You do realize the people posting on the forums don’t represent even 5% of the population of the game right?

Malediktus.9250:

Who cares if they are rare? All that matters is if you like the skin or not.

Exactly. People worry to much about what others have. Play for what you like and that’s it.

I can see you read the part about my guilds opinion and skipped straight to my comments on the vocal “minority” and completely ignored my concerns for the economy which is my personal concern and standpoint on all this.

I don’t give a rats kitten about how common the skins are, more common the better in fact from my standpoint as a trader. More people to sell to

The economy is already pretty shaken up, lot of traders getting fed up and pissed off with their markets being constantly crushed and having to find new business opportunities (Which are getting slimmer with each shake-up). Killing the precursor market WILL have a profound impact on the game economy and that’ll end in another big economic shake-up.

Do you enjoy economic instability and skyrocketting prices of essential items?

Ryuujin.8236:

I can see you read the part about my guilds opinion and skipped straight to my comments on the vocal “minority” and completely ignored my concerns for the economy which is my personal concern and standpoint on all this.

I don’t give a rats kitten about how common the skins are, more common the better in fact from my standpoint as a trader. More people to sell to

The economy is already pretty shaken up, lot of traders getting fed up and pissed off with their markets being constantly crushed and having to find new business opportunities (Which are getting slimmer with each shake-up). Killing the precursor market WILL have a profound impact on the game economy and that’ll end in another big economic shake-up.

Do you enjoy economic instability and skyrocketting prices of essential items?

I couldn’t care less. I have all the materials I need, for the most part. The only concern I will have after this is lodestones. But I think Anet will be doing something about those, as well.

fellyn.5083:

I couldn’t care less. I have all the materials I need

And this is why GW2 is going to hurt itself. Apathy

Annoy a small fraction or previously contented players with each patch so they end up leaving, in order to please a whiny minority who are unappeasable anyway (At first it was dungeons were too hard, now legends are too rare, next the is porridge too hot and the bed too soft), but since the majority doesn’t get crapped on with each patch that’s ok right?

Well… no.

Because the players who were on-board with the GW2 manifesto aren’t the ones whining, they’re also the core you want to keep, because appeasing whining just leads to more whining as it proves to the player base they can manipulate the devs into doing things they want that may not be good for the game’s integrity overall (ie. making the best armour only available in dungeons)

Ryuujin.8236:

fellyn.5083:

I couldn’t care less. I have all the materials I need

And this is why GW2 is going to hurt itself. Apathy

Annoy a small fraction or previously contented players with each patch so they end up leaving, in order to please a whiny minority who are unappeasable anyway (At first it was dungeons were too hard, now legends are too rare, next the is porridge too hot and the bed too soft), but since the majority doesn’t get crapped on with each patch that’s ok right?

Well… no.

Because the players who were on-board with the GW2 manifesto aren’t the ones whining, they’re also the core you want to keep, because appeasing whining just leads to more whining as it proves to the player base they can manipulate the devs into doing things they want that may not be good for the game’s integrity overall (ie. making the best armour only available in dungeons)

It’s hard to get orichalcum ore or ancient timber? It’s hard to get powerful bloods and other t6 mats? No it’s not. If anything they need to be more expensive.

My guess: new precursor vendor NPC selling them weapons for 4000 or 5000 Achievement Points each… what do you guys think?

Ryuujin.8236:

fellyn.5083:

I couldn’t care less. I have all the materials I need

And this is why GW2 is going to hurt itself. Apathy

Annoy a small fraction or previously contented players with each patch so they end up leaving, in order to please a whiny minority who are unappeasable anyway (At first it was dungeons were too hard, now legends are too rare, next the is porridge too hot and the bed too soft), but since the majority doesn’t get crapped on with each patch that’s ok right?

Well… no.

Because the players who were on-board with the GW2 manifesto aren’t the ones whining, they’re also the core you want to keep, because appeasing whining just leads to more whining as it proves to the player base they can manipulate the devs into doing things they want that may not be good for the game’s integrity overall (ie. making the best armour only available in dungeons)

Wait what? You’re equating people who want different ways to get a precursor with the people who wanted gear progression? And then you’re saying that both these groups were NOT on board with the GW2 manifesto???

How the hell did you get to that conclusion? Why would people who want DIFFERENT ways to get legendaries also want only ONE way to get best gear? It’s like two completely different types of complaints.

Personally I was very much on board with the manifesto and I seem to recall a lot of anti grind mentality within it. So… “scavenger hunt” sounds way less grindy than excessive RNG or farming up 400 gold to me..

If anything, this change is happening because ANET is on board with the GW2 manifesto. As for the new ascended gear, that’s a different topic but personally I certainly wasn’t whining for it and I do have strong concerns about it.

You guys don’t even know if it is easier to get all they said is it’s a new way, so just wait and see, Jesus all assume the worst could be just as hard as getting t6 mats if u farm them all there trying to do is take away the high gold factor for an item , could take months to savage it , point is you don’t know !!!

BiscaWolf.4237:

You guys don’t even know if it is easier to get all they said is it’s a new way, so just wait and see, Jesus all assume the worst could be just as hard as getting t6 mats if u farm them all there trying to do is take away the high gold factor for an item , could take months to savage it , point is you don’t know !!!

Actually in 2 separate posts they said first: they would be adjusting how hard it is to get precursors in the upcoming build, and in the future they would be making new ways to get them. For the first part I’m assuming that means drop rates and mystic forge proc chances.

And in the second: they would be adding some sort of scavenger hunt. This is what the first post alluded to.

fellyn.5083:

Because they are making precursors easier to get, starting in the next build/patch.

They never said “easier”, they stated that they will be introducing new ways of getting them.

Darknass.1903:

fellyn.5083:

Because they are making precursors easier to get, starting in the next build/patch.

They never said “easier”, they stated that they will be introducing new ways of getting them.

I suppose they didn’t directly. But between the two posts it’s easy to guess. First they said they would begin addressing the issue in the next build, then later they say in the future they will be adding a scavenger hunt.

Mordiego.7302:

My guess: new precursor vendor NPC selling them weapons for 4000 or 5000 Achievement Points each… what do you guys think?

…I’d like to say I’m a dedicated player and I run around 2.5k achievement points- while this may sound nice your limited to exactly how many acheivements there are until you simply salvage for eternity on end… though it would be interesting if they add some form of achievement point vendor :P

Who needs to salvage, you can farm points if you have access to EotN. Just transmute over and over and over and over.

What happened to the promised precursor by going through scavenger hunting?

I would also like to know how, “The mighty Zommoros has slightly increased the drop rate on Legendary precursor weapons from the Mystic Forge from both Rares and Exotics.” = scavenger hunt.

Unless they intentionally left out a mention of the scavenger hunt in the patch notes, and the increased drop rate in the forge is in addition to the scavenger hunt.

I think the scavenger hunt was mentioned in context of new upcoming legendaries or at least as something they would implement later. For this patch they only said we would BEGIN to see changes.

I just hope this isn’t the last change… Although right now we have no idea how big this change is and I’m certainly not going to use the MF to find out.

I knew they would use some cryptic response…

After patch: 100 rares, 0 exotics.

The change for me meant a slap in the face.

Count so far: 400 rares, 72 exotics, 0 precursors (pre and after patch statistics)

Nothings changed really. I’m done with RNG already gambled away ~100 gold not gonna keep trying Rather farm something incrementally instead. Good luck to anyone who continues trying for it.

octo.7123:

I would also like to know how, “The mighty Zommoros has slightly increased the drop rate on Legendary precursor weapons from the Mystic Forge from both Rares and Exotics.” = scavenger hunt.

Unless they intentionally left out a mention of the scavenger hunt in the patch notes, and the increased drop rate in the forge is in addition to the scavenger hunt.

MadRage.1584:

What happened to the promised precursor by going through scavenger hunting?

They said that would be coming in the future. Not in the next update (the patch we got today).

They did exactly what I said they’d do in this patch and that was to increase drop rates from MF.

In the past 30 minutes one more Dusk has appeared on TP for 325g. One out of many players got lucky it seems

precursors should cost no more than 200 g

yeah they really just …….. to our feedback

from page 1 -24 all wanted higher chances in the lottery of Mystic Forge
so we can finally start our legendary adventure in gw2….. WAIT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Two things:

-I’m pretty sure the scavenger hunt changes will be in another patch. I would much rather they do that anyway from a content push perspective. It would also give them some time to test this.

-Wait a few days and see how the markets are. The first day for anything is horrible. Look at the Halloween skin prices when the event first hit. Wait 1-2 weeks for prices to settle.

If the above doesn’t happen in a few weeks (or at least has someone acknowledging that there’s an issue) THEN go ahead and yell and scream.

Yestarday night straight after patch >>100 rares combines << 10 exos in return.
Today morning >>100 rares combines<< 4 exos in return? LOL
No way ahahah. Never ever before i had anyway near this awful drop rating.
We being kittened i tell you

Precursors will be harder to acquire at this rate, lucky who got them cheaper cause of the rumours about ‘’easier to acquire after patch’’..
Sigh

Selenya.6410:

Yestarday night straight after patch >>100 rares combines << 10 exos in return.
Today morning >>100 rares combines<< 4 exos in return? LOL
No way ahahah. Never ever before i had anyway near this awful drop rating.
We being kittened i tell you

Precursors will be harder to acquire at this rate, lucky who got them cheaper cause of the rumours about ‘’easier to acquire after patch’’..
Sigh

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they placed their decimal point in the wrong spot. lol

Whats funny is rares have increased in price considerably; they are almost twice as much as they used to be. (i used to buy rare hammers in bulk for ~12s50c) At current market prices, they would have to DOUBLE the precursor drop rate from MF just to BREAK EVEN with how it was a few weeks ago. This alone will keep people from trying to gamble again.

I doubt they increased it that much; my guess is prices will dip in the short term from the “fear” that the precursors will be easy to get from gambling, but then rise again once people realize its still stupidly hard.

At this point I’m basically excited that ascended items are coming just so I can worry about obtaining for something other than the precursor for a while

Anet was right, we DID need a new step inbetween exotics and legendaries :P

Hopefuly this new island and dungeon will introduce a better way to make money/resources as well. New content! Woo!

Precursors are still way too rare.

Archer.6485:

namastex.8906:

I will not give out any secrets as you know, it WILL affect my profit margins directly if I was to blurt something out about how I make money. It is not flipping, I can tell you that.

The way Anet ‘fixed’ the godskull ‘exploit’ was to nerf the overall drop rate of ALL methods of getting a precursor. They only reacted to the out cry of the masses. Most got their info from ‘word of mouth’ which is basically like a rumor mill and things get mixed up and misunderstood.

From the information I gathered, people used to get 8 precursors per 1000 rare weapons into the mystic forge. After the godskull ‘fix’ it went to 2 precursors per 1200 rare weapons into the mystic forge. These were tests before/after this fix withOUT the use of godskull rares. This was pointed out in various threads thru out this forum yet people still misunderstand the information in front of their faces.

Also, just because they say level 80 exotics gives the highest chance for precursors, does not mean that it has a more higher chance than using 4 level 78 exotics or 2 level 65 exotics + 2 level 80 exotics. They only say it has a higher chance because the outcome is always level 80 exotics. The percentage is always the same with any combination of exotics, as long as it produces a level 80 exotic.

According to Linsey on this very thread they did NOT make any across the board changes and there WERE recipes that granted a higher chance of obtaining a precursor. No offense but I think I preffer to believe an Anet dev.

Now, you say you’re making 30g per 2 hours. That’s quite an accomplishment, but of course you can’t reveal your secret or it wouldn’t work anymore. This makes me think it’s still somehow TP related and you don’t want to increase supply. It’s all well and good but I don’t see why you’re using this fact as some kind of anecdote as to why gold is easy to make.

You are NOT the standard and legendaries should NOT be adjusted to you. Any dev with good sense will look at how much a normal dedicated person can earn instead of someone using a gimmick. Anet will always look at standard play to base their decisions off and nobody imo can make 30g every hour through standard play.

Even if you say legendaries need to remain exclusive this is a dumb way to promote it. Money making gimmicks are a stupid way to judge who’s worthy of being legendary.

I agree with this.
I have 1074 hours logged as of now and I can tell you the most I make (really pushing it) is around 2-3 gold an hour.

2-3 gold per hour is nothing if u play the tp .
the fastest way to obtain a legendary is to stand afk infront of the tp and watch tv while u make gold.
how does that work?
inform urself whats happening in the game!!!
fe. announced on the forums
alot of bots where banned farming orr and other high mats
the price of bones was at 12c because the supply was high
now the price is at 1s because the supply went down
if u would have invested 100g it would be +/-800g now

2. fe, events

New craft mats new recipes.

Alot of ppl sold old craftmats because of rumors they would be less usefull after the patch like Orichalcum etc so prices dropped like hell.
Now they will raise again

Buy gems for gold before an event launches
fe.

halloween
100g gems turned into 300g

lost shores
100g turned into 120g (crappy looking skins)

xmas
100g turned into xxx

I hope u can make some gold with my tips and buy your pre´s
Sry for my bad english
usefull links

http://www.gw2spidy.com/
http://www.guildwars2riches.com/

They said we will start noticing the changes from this patch. Anything but luck factor would be fine, just let people do something to obtain precursor. I liked the idea and execution of getting the legendary daggers in WoW Cataclysm- rogues needed to do series of quests to use all their skills to get phase 1 daggers. Story, quests, everything was cool. Later of course it become a farming in dungeons…

Everything is the same. They slightly raised the chance. What that means? If the chance for getting the precursor was lets say 0.05%, doubling it would be 0.10% which is still crap. Why not do something other then put 4 exotics in the mix and pray to the Balthazor or Grenth that it will drop what u want??

And one more thing – lot of people here talking how legendary weapons should be hard to obtain and so on. I don’t think that it was Arena NEt’s plan that only chosen ones have legendary. They will not loose their value even if all players have them. It is not the same MMO as others, where everyone wants to stand in the crowd and be noticed.

And also- legendary weapons are not SO legendary looking in my opinion. I want to have it, but not thrilled with the looks so much…

i disagree with everyone that are complaining about the precursors they should not be made easier to get the old ones! since there’s a new gift i assume new legendaries are coming out because of what was stated in post about ascended and legendary items being complimentary or what not. So for those then do like a story quest or treasure hunt something like that don’t touch old precursors well call them first generation legendaries. I feel personally should be maybe 3 generations of legendaries ppl will then stop bching and what not and be happy.

Izuna.5307:

i disagree with everyone that are complaining about the precursors they should not be made easier to get the old ones! since there’s a new gift i assume new legendaries are coming out because of what was stated in post about ascended and legendary items being complimentary or what not. So for those then do like a story quest or treasure hunt something like that don’t touch old precursors well call them first generation legendaries. I feel personally should be maybe 3 generations of legendaries ppl will then stop bching and what not and be happy.

ITS EASY TO GET A PRE
WE DONT WANT IT EASIER (since it cant be easier than pay 300g on the tp)
WE WANT A FUN/REWARDING/LEGENDARY WAY NOT A LOTTERY

I HAVE 2 LEGENDARYS ALLREADY
I EARNED THEM BY STANDING SEMI AFK INFRONT OF THE TP CHECKING MY BO/SO (RLY A LEGANDARY WAY LOL)
I COULD JUST BUY ME 4 MORE LEGENDARYS on THE TP WITHOUT LEAVING LIONS ARCH
ITS HARDER TO GO OUT KILL A RABBIT THAN OBTAINING A LEGENDARY IF YOU PLAY THE TP.
Sry for caps just noticed i capsed

Syreal.5472:

Izuna.5307:

i disagree with everyone that are complaining about the precursors they should not be made easier to get the old ones! since there’s a new gift i assume new legendaries are coming out because of what was stated in post about ascended and legendary items being complimentary or what not. So for those then do like a story quest or treasure hunt something like that don’t touch old precursors well call them first generation legendaries. I feel personally should be maybe 3 generations of legendaries ppl will then stop bching and what not and be happy.

ITS EASY TO GET A PRE
WE DONT WANT IT EASIER (since it cant be easier than pay 300g on the tp)
WE WANT A FUN/REWARDING/LEGENDARY WAY NOT A LOTTERY

I HAVE 2 LEGENDARYS ALLREADY
I EARNED THEM BY STANDING SEMI AFK INFRONT OF THE TP CHECKING MY BO/SO (RLY A LEGANDARY WAY LOL)
I COULD JUST BUY ME 4 MORE LEGENDARYS on THE TP WITHOUT LEAVING LIONS ARCH
ITS HARDER TO GO OUT KILL A RABBIT THAN OBTAINING A LEGENDARY IF YOU PLAY THE TP.
Sry for caps just noticed i capsed

ok hurt my eyes with those caps secondly i did say have a fun way to obtain a second generation of legendaries did i not?

Precursors have been dropping like mad today with that Ancient Karka special event chest.

You can see the prices of the precursors tumbling big time on the TP!

Azelroth.6801:

Precursors have been dropping like mad today with that Ancient Karka special event chest.

You can see the prices of the precursors tumbling big time on the TP!

It will only be temporary though. The chest is not persistant.

And precursor prices are rising again..

Sadly I got none. And I’m upset I didn’t get The Hunter after getting frustrated and throwing all my savings in the Mystic Forge again..

Anyone have tips? Is Fractals a reliable means of money?

l o l…….just lawl. this event impacted the market by so much…i dont even…

Kain Francois.4328:

And precursor prices are rising again..

Sadly I got none. And I’m upset I didn’t get The Hunter after getting frustrated and throwing all my savings in the Mystic Forge again..

Anyone have tips? Is Fractals a reliable means of money?

Fractals gives you drops. Im not quite to lvl 10 but so far running normal dungeons or cursed shore still gives you much more money.

Best bet is to wait for this new scavenger hunt and hope its actually something reasonable and not just more RNG.

Until the Scavanger Hunt is up, prices will be back to where they were before “The Lost Shores”, so I guess there will be some Precursors still be popping up in the TP during the next few days and then it will be all about a rise again.

Has anyone noticed the increased drop chance in PvE? I’m doing Temple Events and Jormag on a daily basis and haven’t had more than the one per week popping up in the local channel after the event, which is basically the same rate it was before.
Those chest need a severe chance increase. Considered you did partake in “The Lost Shores” you had a 15% chance (guessed) for 3 hours of hard work through lags.

I ran 2-3 Grenth Temple Events and Jormags per day, have freed the entrace to Arah whenever possible, 5-6 days a week which is basically much more than a 100 hours event runs alone. And I had an overall chance of 0,00001% for getting one. This is not the balance I had expected.

Looking back, I really would have prefered some story or gathering or whatsoever task which had taken up 100 hours (or more) of playing time.

I just hope for one thing: ANET, don’t replace RNG with even more RNG, like “The Lost Shores” did. It’s not kind of a creative solution.