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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

That char name…

http://i.imgur.com/QB4SdEo.jpg

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winterchillz.2564

And also a screenie from a bit earlier; Nowadays it’s hard to even find people for fractals :’(

Hey, there are three people in your list not on the living story . Fractals will still be there when the hype has died down … I hope (especially since I haven’t done a single monthly fractal on my main account yet ).

I really hope for that

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maxinion.8396

ahahahahahahahah

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

It never hurts to ask but based on lack of interest to help writing gw2dungeons, is there any interest to help collecting data? Such as enemy health, armor, damage, cooldowns, animations, potion types.

I could release my spreadsheets with instructions but not sure if I should waste my time.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Weth, I’d like to say I would love to help with gw2dungeons but I’m just not confident enough in my guide writing ability. If you’d like a guide on how 2 casual, I can do that lol.

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Our blood has bought their lives.

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Posted by: winterchillz.2564

winterchillz.2564

I’d have loved to help myself but I don’t feel confident in my skill and knowledge of GW2 to actually devote to writing to something that other players are expected to learn from.

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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

It never hurts to ask but based on lack of interest to help writing gw2dungeons, is there any interest to help collecting data? Such as enemy health, armor, damage, cooldowns, animations, potion types.

I could release my spreadsheets with instructions but not sure if I should waste my time.

I could probably write you a novel on CoE…

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Posted by: Rhianne.4027

Rhianne.4027

I’d be happy to help gather data if it’s doable by a noob (currently working on gear to get started with dungeons).

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

You don’t really need any gear but you kind of have to play solo to minimize variables / avoid people killing everything. But some are doable even in normal runs (especially if you can record a video).

Basically for animations and cooldowns, you have to record a video so you can easily time and repeat as necessary (some are quite subtle). Attacking the enemy may hide animations which makes soloing better.

For damage taken you only have to get hit. But you have to be able to write it down somewhere until you forget it (can be hard during a run, recording helps), especially if you have vulnerability. Then you have to put the number to a spreadsheet to scale it to a “general value” (requires your armor and current wvw defense).

For enemy armor you need to remove any variables (no vulnerability, no random traits, etc) and hit enemy multiple times with a same attack. Then put min and max damage along with other data to see enemy armor. Not very doable with a party unless they let you hit it for a minute.

However, if you know any armor values (like from gw2dungeons) you can use AoE/cleave attack to hit multiple enemies. And then use damage difference to convert known armor value to the unknown armor value. May need to add your critical damage if one of the hits is a critical.

Potion is same quite simple. Just keep track of min and max and see whether they change. However, this isn’t needed that much. Again not very doable in a party.

Health is really simple but you need to use frifox’s tool (which is not 100% allowed).


But thing is, if I have a few people try it and get like total of 10 values it’s not really worth of it (time help setting up and helping people > time spent getting those values).

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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

To test potions just use a long channeled multi-hit skill such as warrior rifle 3 or mesmer sword 2 and then consume the potion mid-attack. Since all hits from one attack are always doing same damage then if some potion applies, then you will definitely see the jump in damage.

Here’s a quick example of me testing ranger runes proc:

The key is to trigger the proc (trait/rune/sigil/potion etc) mid-channel and then refer to the damage log to see the difference.

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Enaretos.8079

Team Bible is streaming dungeons with some music !

http://www.twitch.tv/sam_ajestey

Snow Crows member since January 2014
My Twitch

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

To test potions just use a long channeled multi-hit skill such as warrior rifle 3 or mesmer sword 2 and then consume the potion mid-attack. Since all hits from one attack are always doing same damage then if some potion applies, then you will definitely see the jump in damage.

Here’s a quick example of me testing ranger runes proc:

The key is to trigger the proc (trait/rune/sigil/potion etc) mid-channel and then refer to the damage log to see the difference.

Nice idea!

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Posted by: NACotser.4125

NACotser.4125

I did it
now make me pretty
also give me trinkets.
jk.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Okay. Easy. Phoenix chest + magician legs. Buahaha.

I can come up with a custom look iff you give me a character back story

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maha.7902

my character story is she hates rat people l e l

Serah Mahariel – Death and Taxes

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Posted by: TKiller.6829

TKiller.6829

Almost reported armor clipping to the fashion thread.

On a completely different note, I am so doing a full ranged run of Arah when I finish Kudzu. Full ranged warrior the dream.

Good day.

Defeated by packet loss.

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Posted by: dutchiez.7502

dutchiez.7502

It never hurts to ask but based on lack of interest to help writing gw2dungeons, is there any interest to help collecting data? Such as enemy health, armor, damage, cooldowns, animations, potion types.

I could release my spreadsheets with instructions but not sure if I should waste my time.

I could probably write you a novel on CoE…

Might want to take a look at the Evolved Destroyer part on gw2dungeons, I just noticed it’s terribly outdated.

Nova [rT]

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

Now that is terribly useful!

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Posted by: Ropechef.6192

Ropechef.6192

stupid search function…..

MastaNeenja!! (Tiramisu you Norny italian desert you! ))

a while ago you wrote an epic monologue… i cant find it again. the on where as the ""casuals look up and cry “save us” ""

must find again…

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

Just had a staff-camping guardian as me this on fracs 49… “Do you play your dagger necro in melee? I mean you must die all the time.” Didn’t know I can play dagger with 1200 range.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Just had a staff-camping guardian as me this on fracs 49… “Do you play your dagger necro in melee? I mean you must die all the time.” Didn’t know I can play dagger with 1200 range.

Its called leeching.

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Posted by: Ropechef.6192

Ropechef.6192

Just had a staff-camping guardian as me this on fracs 49… “Do you play your dagger necro in melee? I mean you must die all the time.” Didn’t know I can play dagger with 1200 range.

Its called leeching.

SHHH!!!!

geez spoj,

:)

on a different note though… who is the leecher? the staff Gaurd? or the Dagger necro?
0.o

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Posted by: IvanTheGrey.2941

IvanTheGrey.2941

Both? /15chars

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

Both? /15chars

I don’t leech… :’( Everyone knows single target DPS classes without good support are superior.

Also, lol @ spoj

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Posted by: IvanTheGrey.2941

IvanTheGrey.2941

I know Just givin’ you a hard time

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

I know Just givin’ you a hard time

Guess you got me there. ;D

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

Lilith Ajit.6173

Got a crappy soldier’s ring from fractal, and a Teq hoard from Teq. You know what? I got a torch. because I like to watch the world burn.

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TKiller.6829

Lupicus is not supposed to drain me through dodge animation.

Rostelecom please stop.

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Posted by: TKiller.6829

TKiller.6829

And I died to Brie. Twice.

Does anyone want to finish Arah p2 on EU? Cause I am very done.

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Posted by: Ropechef.6192

Ropechef.6192

i am in a serious state of WTF.


You got it all wrong. I don’t think that Thieves shouldn’t support, rather I am being realistic that Thieves cannot support outside Shadow Refuge.

Many Thieves have been trying to get ArenaNet’s attention concerning the Thieves incapability to support a team outside Shadow Refuge. Instead, they give us other “fixes” that many Thieves never asked for.


I am willing to not say anything. As i am open to the possibility that that particular gentleman may actually be right. but something tells me otherwise…

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Posted by: Silberfisch.3046

Silberfisch.3046

I was about to write a lot of stuff about thief support abilities there. Then my brain kicked in. You almost got me.

If you happen to stumble across any typos,
you may keep them to rear new and interesting variants in your basement.

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Posted by: Lindbur.2537

Lindbur.2537

Assuming he’s arguing about PvE. He forgot blinds. No other class can spam blinds like a thief does.

The support a thief offers is limited in variety, but highly effective in quite a lot of situations, I’d say.

A remnant of times past.
“Memories are nice, but that’s all they are.”

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

Round 4:

Which 3 dungeon or fractal enemies have the highest count of attacks/moves?


Round 1:

Which attack is this?


Round 2:

Which of these enemies exist in FOTM?

Where these enemies exist?

1) Ascalonian Healer
2) Ice Imp
3) Young Barracuda
4) Bone Fiend
5) Inquest Assassin
6) Murellow


Round 3:

Would you use an Ascended weapon with a Sigil of Force or an Exotic weapon with a Sigil of Night in a night dungeon?

Why?

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Posted by: Artasqweroldy.7458

Artasqweroldy.7458

I guess Its either Lupi or the Bloodstone-shard

Humans aren´t real

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

Round 4:

Which dungeon or fractal evemy has most attacks?

That’s a difficult one… I’d go with Ashym seeing that he switches weapon sets, has a conjure and summons squires too.

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Iris Ng.9845

gw2dungeons.net

This boss is pretty badas-

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: TKiller.6829

TKiller.6829

Risen High Wizard :D

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Wethospu.6437

I guess it bit too much counts what is actually considered as an attack. So I changed the question.

But new questions:

Round 5: Which dungeon boss (champion or legendary) can be entirely soloed on downed state? Which professions can do this?

Round 6: Which dungeon or fractal elite enemy has the unshakable buff? How many defiance stacks he gets when interrupted?

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Posted by: IvanTheGrey.2941

IvanTheGrey.2941

I guess it bit too much counts what is actually considered as an attack. So I changed the question.

But new questions:

Round 5: Which dungeon or fractal boss (champion or legendary) can be entirely soloed on downed state? Which professions can do this?

Champion bunny? Ele and warrior? (Drawing straws)

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Posted by: Lindbur.2537

Lindbur.2537

There are cancer posts, and then there’s this

A remnant of times past.
“Memories are nice, but that’s all they are.”

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J Eberle.9312

There are cancer posts, and then there’s this

Oh my kittening kitten kitten.. kitten on my kitten.
I can’t. pls no more pls.

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

I guess it bit too much counts what is actually considered as an attack. So I changed the question.

But new questions:

Round 5: Which dungeon or fractal boss (champion or legendary) can be entirely soloed on downed state? Which professions can do this?

Champion bunny? Ele and warrior? (Drawing straws)

That’s not what I had on my mind but considering how low health it has on scale 1 it could be doable. I will test later today when I get home. Also I recall something about it not regenerating any health but I have to verify this.

I guess Dulfy would work too as npcs just take her out. Time to change the question!

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Laar.5476

It’s delicious, totally something to make insomnia less boring.

I fear the day when I can’t sleep and run out of videos to watch, and threads to post in.

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Posted by: winterchillz.2564

winterchillz.2564

Gw2 ruined my life, now I can’t get up on time for work..

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Posted by: NACotser.4125

NACotser.4125

fyi I’m away for 2weeks so don’t miss me too much
lots of love
~Cotser :*

2Hairy = 2Scary
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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

fyi I’m away for 2weeks so don’t miss me too much
lots of love
~Cotser :*

Have fun, whatever you’re doing.

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spoj.9672

First thread in months that has actually entertained me to a respectable degree.

And wooo flood control gone!

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NovaanVerdiano.6174

I just… the thread that I mentioned earlier… has now reached terminal lvl. It’s comedy gold.

But… but… everyone has to play how I want!

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J Eberle.9312

I just… the thread that I mentioned earlier… has now reached terminal lvl. It’s comedy gold.

But… but… everyone has to play how I want!

Don’t even get me started about the extreme persecution I have to face everyday when I play my whiptail devourer bow ranger.

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

I just… the thread that I mentioned earlier… has now reached terminal lvl. It’s comedy gold.

But… but… everyone has to play how I want!

Don’t even get me started about the extreme persecution I have to face everyday when I play my whiptail devourer bow ranger.

I know your pain. My full apothecary staff guardian isn’t welcome most of the time either.