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Posted by: Nevets Crimsonwing.5271

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271

Reposting my post to break the bug:

Ok, something is totally wrong here. I just did some math. In full ascended sinister gear with 25 might, you’ll be at around 2500 condition damage.

This is what the formula is supposed to be:

New damage over time: 7.5 + (1.55 * Level) + (0.155 * Condition Damage)

If you do the math, at max condition damage and might, that comes out to ~500 damage per stack of burning. That’s in PvE. If people were really getting 8k ticks, you’d have to have at LEAST 16 stacks of burn from a single person in PvP which is ridiculous on its face, and that’s not even considering the fact that PvP people have less stats and probably won’t have 25 might.

If you’re really seeing 2k burn ticks/stack Iris, I think they seriously messed up their formula somehow.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Meanwhile, meteor shower is hitting for 11k per tick (and close to 2k burn per tick- I have no clue) in a casual pug fractal. I really expect a nerf soon.

Ok, something is totally wrong here. I just did some math. In full ascended sinister gear with 25 might, you’ll be at around 2500 condition damage.

This is what the formula is supposed to be:

New damage over time: 7.5 + (1.55 * Level) + (0.155 * Condition Damage)

If you do the math, at max condition damage and might, that comes out to ~500 damage per stack of burning. That’s in PvE. If people were really getting 8k ticks, you’d have to have at LEAST 16 stacks of burn from a single person in PvP which is ridiculous on its face, and that’s not even considering the fact that PvP people have less stats and probably won’t have 25 might.

If you’re really seeing 2k burn ticks/stack Iris, I think they seriously messed up their formula somehow.

Factor in 25% from Vuln? Also potential other bonuses (iirc guards have a15% damage boost option). And with that Guard has some pretty silly burn application in certain situations.

So if ignoring Vuln you’re at ~500 a tick, to hit 8k you’d need 16 ticks as you said. Apply that 25% though and you are 625 per tick and need 12.8 and as I showed you in the other thread easily doable with a burst on Engi. If you’re a guard add another 15% on top for 718 a tick, and you only need 11.4 stacks.

Which as I said in certain situations is pretty darn easy. Radiant Fire, with Supreme Justice and Permeating Wrath, you can AE a group and toss out short burns to everyone. Jumping in and laying down a symbol + WW had me landing 1.5k in zerk “build” (took those traits above). I have no problem believing with a modified build, esp including balthazar runes, that you may see a greatly increased effect.

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Posted by: Nevets Crimsonwing.5271

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271

Meanwhile, meteor shower is hitting for 11k per tick (and close to 2k burn per tick- I have no clue) in a casual pug fractal. I really expect a nerf soon.

Ok, something is totally wrong here. I just did some math. In full ascended sinister gear with 25 might, you’ll be at around 2500 condition damage.

This is what the formula is supposed to be:

New damage over time: 7.5 + (1.55 * Level) + (0.155 * Condition Damage)

If you do the math, at max condition damage and might, that comes out to ~500 damage per stack of burning. That’s in PvE. If people were really getting 8k ticks, you’d have to have at LEAST 16 stacks of burn from a single person in PvP which is ridiculous on its face, and that’s not even considering the fact that PvP people have less stats and probably won’t have 25 might.

If you’re really seeing 2k burn ticks/stack Iris, I think they seriously messed up their formula somehow.

Factor in 25% from Vuln? Also potential other bonuses (iirc guards have a 33% damage boost option). And with that Guard has some pretty silly burn application in certain situations.

25% for vuln you’re at a max tick of 625. How can an ele meteor shower reach 2k/stack?

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Yeah, scratching my head on that one. Should only be able to see 3 stacks at most (burning Retreat + Flame Burst) for Ele. Unless you’re also laying down Firestorm, and maybe Fiery Eruption with FGS? but, even then you’re at what like 10-12 stacks in a power build? Yeah… something sounds screwy.

Either something is screwy, or Iris just happened to catch one of those instances where two numbers overlap and you see 200something overlap with another that looks like a 2000something?

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Posted by: Sins.4782

Sins.4782

Could be additional burns from Burning Precision and your fire aura from fire swap if you got hit. Still seems a little too low unless you’re running condi gear though, unless they broke the ICD on burning precision or something.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Could be additional burns from Burning Precision and your fire aura from fire swap if you got hit. Still seems a little too low unless you’re running condi gear though, unless they broke the ICD on burning precision or something.

Good points. But, you need 12+ stacks to reach 2k with Power build.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Things-we-know/first#post5199555

If they did this more often, well, I don’t think I’d be negative on them, and I don’t think dlonie would be missing right now.

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Posted by: Talyn.3295

Talyn.3295

I think they broke the game. I am killing stuff way to fast right now, easily soloing stuff that I coudln’t do as well before.

“We have now left Reason and Sanity Junction. Next stop, Looneyville.”

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

Now thinking back, I may have Glyph of elemental power at that time (activated in Fire, traited for Quick Glyph). The number that I saw peaks at about 1.8k and I was sure about it since I couldn’t believe myself.

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Posted by: SlyDevil.3952

SlyDevil.3952

With firestorm(glyph), 9 might and flame burst i hit 926 burn damage in pvp. Using lightning storm instead i hit 876. I was missing the burning precision proc.

When I had 25 might and 25 vuln(full preblast and lightning storm) plus burning prec and flame burst i hit a 1295. With fire storm instead you could probably be hitting near 1900 since it can add another 4 stacks. And if you attune to fire in combat and get hit flame shield will give you another stack.

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Nevets Crimsonwing.5271

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Posted by: Taku.6352

Taku.6352

So much hyperbole on the forums right now.

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Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

So much hyperbole on the forums right now.

I assume you mean exaggeration. Hyperbole is figurative language that people are supposed innately understand is not meant to be actual.

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Posted by: Taku.6352

Taku.6352

Pardon my french. Not a native English speaker so there’s bound to be few hiccups every now and then. Ty for correcting. ^^

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Posted by: TheRandomGuy.7246

TheRandomGuy.7246

Speaking of “wtf” changes. Why did they added some force fields near the wall at Mai? Or i am just blind and never noticed them before.

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

Ryn.6459

So I played a little.
Warrior, the increase on dps is noticeable.
Ele more broken than before.
Engi, mortar kit is hilarious. But I really hate the new explosive powder, cant blast healing turret whenever I want.
Mesmer, I really don’t like the new mantra system…

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

If its really that bad i expect a nerf.

Why? They told us they were doing it — now downscaled low level content is as difficult as high level content.

Working as intended.

:^D

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Things-we-know/first#post5199555

If they did this more often, well, I don’t think I’d be negative on them, and I don’t think dlonie would be missing right now.

Nice! Now, was that so hard? lol

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Did anyone else noticed if the superior sigil of strength lost its internal cooldown? I’m playing my necro with dagger+warhorn and life siphon and he is getting 18 stacks of might almost instantly when i fight a bunch of mobs.

Edit: i took a print. Notice that i didnt use DS or any skill that gives might and i’m playing solo the personal story instance, and still i managed to get 12 stacks of might.

Edit 2: I got 19 stacks of might this time just from the sigil of strength.

Look at siphoned power in spite. It can potentially stack up to 20 stacks of might. I was getting 16 consistently.

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

Ryn.6459

Just pug lv 40 and 50… This is stupid, is not even fun.

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: DonQuack.9025

DonQuack.9025

I was trying to help a friend and it seems I no longer have the option to do arah story mode. Only exp. Im not sure if I should complain.. :P

Concerns about HoT pre-order? Check here!
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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

Did anyone else noticed if the superior sigil of strength lost its internal cooldown? I’m playing my necro with dagger+warhorn and life siphon and he is getting 18 stacks of might almost instantly when i fight a bunch of mobs.

Edit: i took a print. Notice that i didnt use DS or any skill that gives might and i’m playing solo the personal story instance, and still i managed to get 12 stacks of might.

Edit 2: I got 19 stacks of might this time just from the sigil of strength.

Look at siphoned power in spite. It can potentially stack up to 20 stacks of might. I was getting 16 consistently.

I tried necro in fractal 20-30 last night. Got through some of the most reflect-heavy shards (Mai Trin /salute) just fine. I’ve been using triple wells for eh – life siphon – :’> and Plague for trash mob cruising.

Which utilities do you normally take?

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

WoS, WoC and Signet of Spite.

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Posted by: Rag.3258

Rag.3258

So my ele gets +150 base power from just equipping fire traitline, plus the +150 for a total of 1300 power when completely naked and in fire, and 1150 in every other attunement. Any reason for that?

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Ele is just getting an extra 150 for no reason? Guess its a bug.

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Posted by: Rag.3258

Rag.3258

Probably, but maybe I’m just missing something

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Its that trait. Its giving 150 as base to ele. And then 150 bonus while in fire. Its a stealth buff with no tooltip change or a bug.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

1,150 Power when naked and 1,300 Power when attuned to Fire – confirmed.

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

If you arent speced into fire you have 1000.

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Posted by: rotten.9753

rotten.9753

To balance that out, ferocious winds is bugged and converts only your base precision (which means it always gives 70 ferocity).

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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

Heh, did they just confirm that they don’t have a test server?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Things-we-know/page/2#post5200018

I really hope he just meant public test server.

Good on him, though. He actually posted a thread and then followed up with it!

Pleased dlonie is pleased.

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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Ranger-bugs-9/first#post5203507

WHAT IS HAPPENING I DONT UNDERSTAND I NEED AN ADULT

:D

Still no word on Lupi, doe.

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Posted by: Quickfoot Katana.8642

Quickfoot Katana.8642

I am struggling to figure out: how will they make “challenging group content” when they clearly didn’t expect this much facerolling with the newest patch?

Unless they meant to make old content even more faceroll and HoT content is already prepared for this. I don’t really believe this last option to be the case…

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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

Public Service Announcement:

The cafeteria is now clos….

I mean, um

Amazon has the Fallout 4 PipBoy editions available for preorder again. Grab one now if you want it, they sold out immediately last time.

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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

NikeEU.7690

Not buying if no Tunnel Snakes.

[DnT]::Nike::
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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

I am struggling to figure out: how will they make “challenging group content” when they clearly didn’t expect this much facerolling with the newest patch?

Unless they meant to make old content even more faceroll and HoT content is already prepared for this. I don’t really believe this last option to be the case…

I’ve long given up hope that the Challenging Group Content would be anything that would really interest the people in this forum. I’ll be watching to see what it ends up being, but we’re definitely not the target demographic, so I’m not expecting much.

The fact that they haven’t said anything (at all!) about it yet suggests to me that it’s not even close to implemented yet, and they don’t want to make any promises since it’s going to be the first thing they cut or gut if time runs short.

lol Nike

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Posted by: Purple Miku.7032

Purple Miku.7032

Heh, did they just confirm that they don’t have a test server?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Things-we-know/page/2#post5200018

I really hope he just meant public test server.

Good on him, though. He actually posted a thread and then followed up with it!

Pleased dlonie is pleased.

I can confirm that they do in fact have a test server, as I was playing on it for a few days.

The only problem is they have no way to test it with large groups of people so there will always be things they massively overlook.

They basically have to get on individually and test changes like that, they could maybe get a few other devs on to test content like that but most of the time that doesn’t happen.

What I think he meant was that there is no public testing server, which is true

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Posted by: Quickfoot Katana.8642

Quickfoot Katana.8642

I think what they meant as test server was PTR – Public Test Realm. They dont have PTR.

Also Miku u filthy kazul how did you get access? :o

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Posted by: Wuselknusel.4082

Wuselknusel.4082

It just needed one post and this thread has turned into everything I don’t agree with.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Simplistic-game-has-become-even-moreso/first#post5204398

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Posted by: ForeverAway.5948

ForeverAway.5948

Amazon has the Fallout 4 PipBoy editions available for preorder again. Grab one now if you want it, they sold out immediately last time.

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Tentonhammr.7849

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Buff-s-range-nerf-Punishing-ranged-class

Enjoy. The OP is just a font of logical, well reasoned arguments….

Zelendel

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Posted by: Flea Exercise.5098

Flea Exercise.5098

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3ayw54/some_proof_that_burning_is_the_culprit/

And not a single man noticed that those jaw-dropping numbers were from the reflect. Kek.

[ZDs]

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: Rasimir.6239

Rasimir.6239

I was trying to help a friend and it seems I no longer have the option to do arah story mode. Only exp. Im not sure if I should complain.. :P

Victory or Death is just a regular personal story instance now, so you need somebody on the proper story step to play it. I played it with some guildies right after the patch hit (wanted to do it a couple of hours earlier, but unfortunately real life got in the way).

The instance/story is pretty much the same it was before, but it is significantly easier if you go in there with a full group. We were five, and despite just throwing together some builds on the fly (or sticking with whatever ANet had saddled us with in the trait conversion) we cruised through the whole thing in record time.

The one nice thing that’s come from this conversion is that instead of the generic yellow hat you got for finishing the instance before, Victory or Death (former Arah story mode) now rewards the exotic dungeon armor hat appropriate to your class. That’s one less Arah skin I have to farm for for my dungeon collection .

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Posted by: Lendruil.9061

Lendruil.9061

So it seems like the grenadier trait increases the amount of grenades to six.

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

The instance/story is pretty much the same it was before, but it is significantly easier if you go in there with a full group. .

That… that is possible?

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Posted by: Element Two.7316

Element Two.7316

http://i.imgur.com/ThL5p5c.png

That was whilst solo.

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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

NikeEU.7690

Heads up before I make official announcement. We have the dates for the next tournament approved August 22 and August 23. Trio format again, more details to follow!

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

3x Guardian Ursan way? Or maybe slot a thief for stealthes?

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Posted by: Miku Lawrence.6329

Miku Lawrence.6329

[EU] Lf Guild, chill yet skillful.

:’(

Snow Crows [SC]

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

[EU] Lf Guild, chill yet skillful.

:’(

HeX?
I’m actually surprised they’re such a big guild now.