General Dungeon Discussion Thread - Part 3
Fractals = sinister since fights actually last long enough for condis to ramp up and is more survivable when you don’t have to deal with sword AA.
Not only this but bosses in later level should start to have scaling toughness, meaning condis will become more and more effective compared to direct damage with increasing the Fractal level.
About the minions thing, could it mean ranger rune will be a good cheap alternative to scholar again ?
Edit : for ranger, mesmer and possibly, Golem necro… or the possible new Meta turret engi
Last time I checked ranger runes didnt work with illusions
It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.
Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.
400 points gang,
values of 10 in the jungle though,
Day one Herald challenge \o/
It’s 400 points total to unlock everything in an elite spec training line – I just can’t remember off hand how many points folks have currently if they have done all the existing ones, but it’s right around 200. The rest you’ll need to earn in jungle to unlock the deeper skills/traits/etc. in the training line.
Again, hero challenges are worth 10 points each in the jungle. So no you don’t need to go do 200-400 jungle challenges.
400 points gang,
values of 10 in the jungle though,
Guess I’ll have to do that first, then.
Also, this might be a long shot but I planned on getting through as many fractals as possible on the weekend to see how far I can get, but sadly pugs are, uh, more than discouraging lately, my friends list went kind of empty over the course of a year of doing nothing (understandably) and I don’t have a guild. Would there be a bunch of people on EU I can bother/who planned on doing something similar and still have spots free?
Holy kitten, dem grind.
O_o
I… I better start organizing in which order I want to grind points for my classes. I suppose doing HoT will be faster?
/thinks about 0% map rev
Unnnnnghhhh.
Unlocking your elite spec is a training line in your training panel that costs hero points. You do need to have trained all the existing training lines before you’re allowed to put hero points into your elite spec.
If you’ve got all the hero points in the existing game you’ll have enough to train about half the elite specialization training line on launch day. The rest you’ll need to earn in the jungle or via the new system Tyler outlined yesterday from WvW. The number of points to fully train your elite spec is higher than other training lines – but hero challenges in the jungle are worth 10 points each, so it’s not actually as big as it appears.
400 points, urgh…. rip my weekend…
Waiting to have fun! Yaaaaaaay! \(<_<)/
Unlocking your elite spec is a training line in your training panel that costs hero points. You do need to have trained all the existing training lines before you’re allowed to put hero points into your elite spec.
If you’ve got all the hero points in the existing game you’ll have enough to train about half the elite specialization training line on launch day. The rest you’ll need to earn in the jungle or via the new system Tyler outlined yesterday from WvW. The number of points to fully train your elite spec is higher than other training lines – but hero challenges in the jungle are worth 10 points each, so it’s not actually as big as it appears.
I know it’s still too early although I’m scared to know how much of those hero challenges I’ll be able to do without getting either of the first glider and/or the jumping one.. :/
Guess more WubWubing for me
I lurked and said nothing during all the salt and QQ and the death of the trashcan and the few reasonable discussion, but this…
Covers mouth, tries to avert his look from the horror, starts to speak with faint voice
…a real Nomad Shout Warrior. Is this the end times?
I hope it’s just a practical joke to scare people to death: it’s Halloween, right? No one would really invest that much money in Nomad ascended armor, right?
Rafflesia Sothoth, Silvary Necromancer
I lurked and said nothing during all the salt and QQ and the death of the trashcan and the few reasonable discussion, but this…
Covers mouth, tries to avert his look from the horror, starts to speak with faint voice
…a real Nomad Shout Warrior. Is this the end times?
I hope it’s just a practical joke to scare people to death: it’s Halloween, right? No one would really invest that much money in Nomad ascended armor, right?
Warrior? No pal, that here is a guard. I also saw him using Bifrost.
He wanted to pull the levers at the ice elemental boss, I didn’t mind but he kept getting aggro despite doing nothing so I asked him what kind of gear he’s wearing… lol.
I have seen ascended nomad, as well as Magi, Guardians AND warriors.
they do exist…
Hey,
I’ll post it here on this thread only because I don’t think this is worth making a new thread over:
Ihave 99,250 arah tokens and I think I’ll be doing like a 4k or 5k gem giveaway or something like that for the night I get 100k— probably on stream. It’s probably going to be sometime this weekend, because I’m just assuming I probably will get 250 tokens a day for the next 3 days unless I get lazy and cba to log in. We’ll see!
Hey,
I’ll post it here on this thread only because I don’t think this is worth making a new thread over:
Ihave 99,250 arah tokens and I think I’ll be doing like a 4k or 5k gem giveaway or something like that for the night I get 100k— probably on stream. It’s probably going to be sometime this weekend, because I’m just assuming I probably will get 250 tokens a day for the next 3 days unless I get lazy and cba to log in. We’ll see!
very cool Miku,
keep us posted, I doubt i will be able to watch given my rl schedule but this is still a cool thing!!!
I know it’s still too early although I’m scared to know how much of those hero challenges I’ll be able to do without getting either of the first glider and/or the jumping one.. :/
Guess more WubWubing for me
You should be able to get the first levels of gliding and mushroom jumping pretty easily if you play through the jungle (which you’ll have to do for the new hero points anyway). Fractal mastery can only be earned outside the jungle (and outside WvW if I understand the latest dev posts correctly), so it won’t interfere.
Personally, I’m trying to keep myself from reading all of those “400 hero points???” threads all over the place, but they’re a bit like a train wreck, horrifying yet hard to keep your eyes off .
Honestly I expected to have to do content inside the expansion one way or another for the elite specs, as it seemed unlikely they’d let people pretty much “spoil” that part of the new stuff by grinding it out exclusively in old content. I’m just happy that my core Tyria hero points will allow me to get a headstart. They could’ve just invented a new kind of “elite hero point” to make sure people unlock their elite specs in the new maps instead.
Mostly my dilemma will now be which characters to take through the jungle … I’d love to play my charr ranger and sylvari ele, since I’ve played all story on those two and enjoy the characters, but on the other hand I’m mostly interested in the chronomancer from the technical side of things.
Then again, one of my max-level mesmers (my favourite asura <3) is on my alt account, so likely to have to wait, the other asura mesmer is a more recent character with not much in terms of equipment or map exploration, and the third mesmer, the one with full map exploration and full ascended, is unfortunately my only human, a race I really don’t enjoy playing.
Not to mention those other 10 (11 if I manage to level my sylvari thief from 76 to 80 by Friday) max-level characters lurking in the shadows, looking at me with accusing eyes … why did anyone ever want an expansion, when all it brings is so many goodies to play with, you simply can’t decide what to do first???
On the positive and on-topic note, the number of serious, damage-oriented and dungeon/fractal interested players in my guild seems to finally go up. We actually had a number of relaxed but focussed dungeon runs lately where it wouldn’t take us an hour per dungeon path . And the best thing is, some of those players are even new to dungeons and will be interested in running them quite a bit, despite less gold rewards, so I may be getting to finish my dungeoneer collection after all .
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Oh I don’t know, I found the mastery unlocking in beta to be excruciatingly slow, to the point of frustration. Took me an entire beta weekend nerding to get (1) gliding and (1) mushrooms, and higher tiers get much slower (not exponentially, but almost).
Then again, it’s probably because of the lack of events and most chains being bugged. I couldn’t see the xp bar going up… not that anyone gives a kitten: more timegating, more fun, right?
Oh I don’t know, I found the mastery unlocking in beta to be excruciatingly slow, to the point of frustration. Took me an entire beta weekend nerding to get (1) gliding and (1) mushrooms, and higher tiers get much slower (not exponentially, but almost).
Then again, it’s probably because of the lack of events and most chains being bugged. I couldn’t see the xp bar going up… not that anyone gives a kitten: more timegating, more fun, right?
Hopefully it’ll be easier once we’ve got the full map with all event chains available, not just whatever bit they gave out for beta. Plus you’ll probably want to play the story at least once, and that should give you a good bit of experience, too. I read of somebody saying doing the two story instances available in beta gave a good 25% of the experience needed for either gliding or mushrooms (1), and you’ll be able to gain that experience on each alt you take through if it turns out there really isn’t enough exp available from events and exploration.
Oh I don’t know, I found the mastery unlocking in beta to be excruciatingly slow, to the point of frustration. Took me an entire beta weekend nerding to get (1) gliding and (1) mushrooms, and higher tiers get much slower (not exponentially, but almost).
Then again, it’s probably because of the lack of events and most chains being bugged. I couldn’t see the xp bar going up… not that anyone gives a kitten: more timegating, more fun, right?
It’s probably going to be the fact that you didn’t have access to lot of things during the beta. Things will be bugged on release anyway. :v
I’m not sure if it still holds true but tomes were said to make mastery XP grows as well so if numbers remain the same, 64 tomes are enough to fully unlock all the tiers in gliding as long as you find 20 mastery points.
No, tomes no longer give experience on level 80 characters, and haven’t done so since the recent trait revamp. Any experiments with tomes and mastery tracks were (as far as I know) done before the trait revamp.
It’s funny because people tell me it will work or won’t work in the same convincing manner… I have no other choice than believing the last one who talked (in that case you). Well in two days there will be no hesitation anyway
Tome will not work. It gives you a spirit shard instead of experience.
- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids
So incredibly accurate
You mean you’re doing a pelvic thrust? O_o
The circlejerk of nerds sucking each other off on reddit is making me want to scratch my eyeballs out of my head. Shout out to anet, shout out to dulfy, shout out to the pelvic thrust… I suppose they’re all gonna roll cheerleader [tempest] :O
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So, was there a secret nerf of the droprate of fractal spoons?
I know it’s still too early although I’m scared to know how much of those hero challenges I’ll be able to do without getting either of the first glider and/or the jumping one.. :/
Guess more WubWubing for me
You should be able to get the first levels of gliding and mushroom jumping pretty easily if you play through the jungle (which you’ll have to do for the new hero points anyway). Fractal mastery can only be earned outside the jungle (and outside WvW if I understand the latest dev posts correctly), so it won’t interfere.
Personally, I’m trying to keep myself from reading all of those “400 hero points???” threads all over the place, but they’re a bit like a train wreck, horrifying yet hard to keep your eyes off .
Honestly I expected to have to do content inside the expansion one way or another for the elite specs, as it seemed unlikely they’d let people pretty much “spoil” that part of the new stuff by grinding it out exclusively in old content. I’m just happy that my core Tyria hero points will allow me to get a headstart. They could’ve just invented a new kind of “elite hero point” to make sure people unlock their elite specs in the new maps instead.
Mostly my dilemma will now be which characters to take through the jungle … I’d love to play my charr ranger and sylvari ele, since I’ve played all story on those two and enjoy the characters, but on the other hand I’m mostly interested in the chronomancer from the technical side of things.
Then again, one of my max-level mesmers (my favourite asura <3) is on my alt account, so likely to have to wait, the other asura mesmer is a more recent character with not much in terms of equipment or map exploration, and the third mesmer, the one with full map exploration and full ascended, is unfortunately my only human, a race I really don’t enjoy playing.
Not to mention those other 10 (11 if I manage to level my sylvari thief from 76 to 80 by Friday) max-level characters lurking in the shadows, looking at me with accusing eyes … why did anyone ever want an expansion, when all it brings is so many goodies to play with, you simply can’t decide what to do first???
On the positive and on-topic note, the number of serious, damage-oriented and dungeon/fractal interested players in my guild seems to finally go up. We actually had a number of relaxed but focussed dungeon runs lately where it wouldn’t take us an hour per dungeon path . And the best thing is, some of those players are even new to dungeons and will be interested in running them quite a bit, despite less gold rewards, so I may be getting to finish my dungeoneer collection after all .
The point is I’m gona try see how far I can get through the fractal mastery by just rushing it. I understand that I won’t be able to get all the hero points in the jungle because I won’t be getting gliding/mushroom jumping so that’s why I will rely on wubwub to get my hero points. I’m not sure about getting more mastery points, although I’ll figute that out as I go
You should be able to get the first levels of gliding and mushroom jumping pretty easily if you play through the jungle (which you’ll have to do for the new hero points anyway). Fractal mastery can only be earned outside the jungle (and outside WvW if I understand the latest dev posts correctly), so it won’t interfere.
The point is I’m gona try see how far I can get through the fractal mastery by just rushing it. I understand that I won’t be able to get all the hero points in the jungle because I won’t be getting gliding/mushroom jumping so that’s why I will rely on wubwub to get my hero points. I’m not sure about getting more mastery points, although I’ll figute that out as I go
So you won’t go into HoT at all? Just play in Core Tyria/Fractals and add WvW for the hero points?
Of course I don’t know for sure, but I have a sneaking suspicion that going into the expansion and grabbing the few hero points needed to fill out your elite traits and skills (assuming you’ve already got all the Core Tyria points) might well be more time efficient than going into WvW (especially since it looks like you won’t be able to advance any non-WvW masteries in WvW).
I jumped into fractals 34 on my favourite asura last night with some guildies that I’d never played instanced content with before. It was surprisingly pleasant (despite the fact that I had to change my armor set for the final fractal because I forgot to bring repair canisters ). More importantly though, I got my first ascended armor drop from fractals, a raider’s shoulder chest. Only two more armor pieces missing and I’ve got enough ar for fractals 40 .
I jumped into fractals 34 on my favourite asura last night with some guildies that I’d never played instanced content with before. It was surprisingly pleasant (despite the fact that I had to change my armor set for the final fractal because I forgot to bring repair canisters ). More importantly though, I got my first ascended armor drop from fractals, a raider’s shoulder chest. Only two more armor pieces missing and I’ve got enough ar for fractals 40 .
Instanced content is always the most pleasant with friends !
Hot hype, someone hold me.
Can’t wait to just spam fractals tomorrow. Me and a friend planned to just tank them for a while and see how far we can get, and what’s changed. Hopefully we have enough guildies coming and going that we won’t need to pug at all.
I jumped into fractals 34 on my favourite asura last night with some guildies that I’d never played instanced content with before. It was surprisingly pleasant (despite the fact that I had to change my armor set for the final fractal because I forgot to bring repair canisters ). More importantly though, I got my first ascended armor drop from fractals, a raider’s shoulder chest. Only two more armor pieces missing and I’ve got enough ar for fractals 40 .
Instanced content is always the most pleasant with friends !
Truth.
On a side note, pugs are extra horrible today. Someone send me some help please.
On this fine pre-launch day I just received a Fractal Greatsword, one of the last two skins I needed. I am looking forward to the patch so I can purchase my last skin and finally complete the collection after three years.
I too am planning on spamming fractals from launch until I drop from exhaustion. I’ve got a few people who are joining me but we don’t have a full party. If any of you experienced pros want to join in we’re going to try to do them hard and fast. Message me on forums or in game. Might see some of you tonight!
On this fine pre-launch day I just received a Fractal Greatsword, one of the last two skins I needed. I am looking forward to the patch so I can purchase my last skin and finally complete the collection after three years.
I too am planning on spamming fractals from launch until I drop from exhaustion. I’ve got a few people who are joining me but we don’t have a full party. If any of you experienced pros want to join in we’re going to try to do them hard and fast. Message me on forums or in game. Might see some of you tonight!
Can’t exactly say I’m a pro, but I wouldn’t mind joining given it’s EU. I’m mainly Nec but can roll a Warrior.
On this fine pre-launch day I just received a Fractal Greatsword, one of the last two skins I needed. I am looking forward to the patch so I can purchase my last skin and finally complete the collection after three years.
I too am planning on spamming fractals from launch until I drop from exhaustion. I’ve got a few people who are joining me but we don’t have a full party. If any of you experienced pros want to join in we’re going to try to do them hard and fast. Message me on forums or in game. Might see some of you tonight!
Can’t exactly say I’m a pro, but I wouldn’t mind joining given it’s EU. I’m mainly Nec but can roll a Warrior.
Unfortunately I’m NA
BURN THE WITCH
On this fine pre-launch day I just received a Fractal Greatsword, one of the last two skins I needed. I am looking forward to the patch so I can purchase my last skin and finally complete the collection after three years.
I too am planning on spamming fractals from launch until I drop from exhaustion. I’ve got a few people who are joining me but we don’t have a full party. If any of you experienced pros want to join in we’re going to try to do them hard and fast. Message me on forums or in game. Might see some of you tonight!
Can’t exactly say I’m a pro, but I wouldn’t mind joining given it’s EU. I’m mainly Nec but can roll a Warrior.
Unfortunately I’m NA
Ah, what a shame. Was still worth a try, though.
Steven, grab ur torch, we have 2 witches to burn!
- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids
HoT hype boys and girls!
Steven, grab ur torch, we have 2 witches to burn!
Wanna join Lang and I tonight?
Also where is this news that the patch is 20 gigs?
New laptop anxiety is totally killing my HoT hype; I am totally going to fall off every ledge and fat finger all the keys with this unfamiliar keyboard.
I managed to not be hyped at all for all of this time, but kitten am i pumped for HoT to drop now. The only worry is that me and a friend will have to keep replacing party members when we spend the day spamming fractals until our eyes bleed, would be much better to have a settled group.
Can’t wait to my chrono on, i already miss those amazing well/shield sound effects <3
kitten fractals, I just wanna sleep but I can’t <.< this godkitten eye twitch kills me and I just hate waiting. I’m so bad at waiting!
Yes, YES, I was that kittening dumb kid waking everyone up at 5am to open the christmas presents, and as I aged I didn’t get wiser. Sue me, alright.
Condi food had the +duration halved to 20%.’
This is a pretty major nerf to Sinister builds I guess?
Aw, CPC got fixed. To be expected, though.
Also, those fractal fixes make me very happy.
Those fractal fixes are excellent. My client just finished downloading, so will check them out soon.
Fractal shaman engineer kit throw bug still not fixed.