Guild Wars 2

Trice.4598:

I was expecting to see some discussion about new builds, specs, coms but all I read were complaints

I’m all ready to do some theory-crafting and testing but it was pretty depressing seeing my hero points at 0/400 with 0 specialization unlocked… Can’t do anything till I grind them out

looks like eles and icebows are still the meta:
- https://youtu.be/qw9NkzVF_CU?t=476

XD

Trice.4598:

And while most dislike it, I enjoy the bigger health pool, bosses finally feels like bosses (I don’t like the weaker but faster attack however).

I don’t think anyone here really minds it; not sure if you’re mainly talking about fractals or in general here, but the issue with fractals is that condis are untouched and they’re only punishing direct damage (also, underground facility boss is painful due to lack of condi-scaling)

frifox.5283:

looks like eles and icebows are still the meta:
- https://youtu.be/qw9NkzVF_CU?t=476

XD

drools

That is just amazing…

Lol frifox

That game has some serious graphics. But I heard there are no dungeons and devs are making it directed for casual play, is a korean casual MMO even a thing? Or is it the first haha

frifox.5283:

Trice.4598:

I was expecting to see some discussion about new builds, specs, coms but all I read were complaints

I’m all ready to do some theory-crafting and testing but it was pretty depressing seeing my hero points at 0/400 with 0 specialization unlocked… Can’t do anything till I grind them out

They just changed Elite Specs to be 250

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/heads-up-iteration-incoming/

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Lol frifox

That game has some serious graphics. But I heard there are no dungeons and devs are making it directed for casual play, is a korean casual MMO even a thing? Or is it the first haha

Uhhh… The video title has “Ancient Ruins Dungeon” in it, so I guess that answers the first part of your question

Also kitten , that ice storm looks and sounds magnificient.

They did? Eh, didn’t expect them to do that so fast: it’s understandable, though, considering that the 400 points hit most of the population. I’m afraid that no such swift (if any) change will be made to Fractals, on the other hand.

Speaking of Fractals: I know that you get less relics now, but how much Pristine Relics do you obtain? Giving a quick glance at the dailies, I’ve seen that most of them give pristines: is that how we’re supposed to get relics now?

You seem to get a bunch of normal relics in the fractal end chest, I assume it depends on the fractal length + scale, but I didn’t pay much attention to it.
Pristines… I didn’t check at all. I know last time I checked I had 277, now I have 284, but I really have no idea when I last took a look at them. lol

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Lol frifox

That game has some serious graphics. But I heard there are no dungeons and devs are making it directed for casual play, is a korean casual MMO even a thing? Or is it the first haha

I did play on both KR and RU versions (not for long tho and not till the “max” level either) and while graphics are nice, the rendering engine is actually pretty bad. GW2 feels MUCH more polished.

I would consider BD a PvP game with casual PvE. There are dungeons and raids are being planned but they’re all open world and very different than GW2 implementation, so if you want something like GW2 then you’re out of luck, BD doesn’t have anything like it.

NA/EU version of BD is actually doing the Alpha test right now so we’ll start seeing reviews coming out very soon. I have my hopes up but from what I’ve seen happen to KR and RU versions, it doesn’t look good.

On a good side, imo BD pushed more game updates and new content releases in one year than GW2 in whole 3 years… so there’s still some hope

Just did testing facility fractal. This drill bug is one of the best HoT “features”. Can we keep it pls?

Interesting to see this forum’s attitudes about face from before this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raid-team-introductions/first#post5555088

to after and then again to now. And we’re right back where we started.

spoj.9672:

Most people that are enjoying the content are actually playing right now. So i think its unfair to pick up on a few negative comments.

I am personally enjoying the new stuff way more than i thought i would. This is the first time in years ive actually genuinely looked forward to getting home so i can play a game. I was a pretty casual player previously so the story and exploration stuff is fun for me especially while its new.

Ive never really been a fan of open world. Even at gw2 original release i got bored of the open world experience and exploration quite quickly. But so far ive been really enjoying the maps and exploration in HoT. Its a completely different feeling. Only annoyance is getting confused and lost when trying to navigate towards certain map objectives. And the mastery gating is a little too grindy for my taste. But the maps and enemies are cool so it doesnt really bother me.

Aw yusss so much this ! The only downside is gated masteries but when you run thru with an alt it’s a pleasure.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Lol frifox

That game has some serious graphics. But I heard there are no dungeons and devs are making it directed for casual play, is a korean casual MMO even a thing? Or is it the first haha

Uhhh… The video title has “Ancient Ruins Dungeon” in it, so I guess that answers the first part of your question

Also kitten , that ice storm looks and sounds magnificient.

It isnt a real dungeon, just an area with slighty tougher mobs. The whole game is very easy

so my new favorite class is Reaper for solo play. Idk, i just love using greatsword and being selfish and only giving myself 25 might.

Lelouch Sothoth.1982:

Speaking of Fractals: I know that you get less relics now, but how much Pristine Relics do you obtain? Giving a quick glance at the dailies, I’ve seen that most of them give pristines: is that how we’re supposed to get relics now?

Yes, as I understand it, that is the only way to get them now

What is this doing in the 2nd page!?

… sooooo, which golden weapon should I pick? Which is the least ugly?

deSade.9437:

What is this doing in the 2nd page!?

… sooooo, which golden weapon should I pick? Which is the least ugly?

They are all ugly. I picked the sword to make Sandy jealous.

deSade.9437:

What is this doing in the 2nd page!?

… sooooo, which golden weapon should I pick? Which is the least ugly?

Sword is the only acceptable looking one imo from those I saw

Atlas.4509:

Lelouch Sothoth.1982:

Speaking of Fractals: I know that you get less relics now, but how much Pristine Relics do you obtain? Giving a quick glance at the dailies, I’ve seen that most of them give pristines: is that how we’re supposed to get relics now?

Yes, as I understand it, that is the only way to get them now

Pristines – Dailies. The same way you always got them.

Regular – Do as many fractals as you want.

deSade.9437:

What is this doing in the 2nd page!?

… sooooo, which golden weapon should I pick? Which is the least ugly?

I have a hammer and a dagger. I use neither. Just pick something and delete it! :x

So harsh, fractals were supposed to be endgame :’(

I got a staff because… I have no idea why. Gonna delete it and then wait for the golden relics to become sellable!

fractuls tru gw2 endgame op rewards worth

inb4 at least 5 crashes a night whenever I try to do what they want me to do so I can make some cash.. thanks!

I wish you’d get a title for having all fractal achievements

I need muh bragging rights

Cheezy.2039:

I wish you’d get a title for having all fractal achievements

I need muh bragging rights

^

I was SO saddended when I saw there’s no title for clearing all 100 scales/having all achievements

And what kind of achievement do you want? “I Hit Lots of Pinatas”?
No difference in rewards from 51-100 and with good reason, all bosses are huge hp bags… Typical of anet, they make bosses harmless but taking 1 hour to kill and “trashmobs” deadly.
The dredge veteran champion in the cage is more dangerous than the dredge power suit. #anetlogic
Phah.
Oh, a name for the title came to mind. “Agonising”.

You don’t like the new fractals, we get it

deSade.9437:

Oh, a name for the title came to mind. “Agonising”.

I’d grind for that :^)

The terrifying, constant sound of ponies being flung at the Imbued Shaman during the whole encounter from the only shortbow user, and said shortbow user being a thief…

Well Cheezy, Gab (DeSade) has a point and you can’t deny that.. I mean some fractals were good fun and all, others were just boring and a waste of time!

I’m not saying Fractals are perfect

The HP bar only felt way too high on the champions in 99 and 100 and level 100 spoilerI'll never understand why they reset Mai Trins health completely instead of her summoning her crew at 50% and being done with it.

If you think boss kill times are ridiculous now, what do you think about raid bosses in other games?

I just want bosses to deal more damage, other than that I have no major complaints.

And I definitely prefer this to being able to burst Grawl Shaman with one bubble phase, killing the Thaumanova ooze during one immobilize + Deep Freeze, killing the Molten Duo during one Deep Freeze, etc.

It’s not so much that the bosses have more hp or take longer to kill in general, it’s the fact that they didn’t bother to add new mechanics to any of these encounters or just add new encounters in general. Instead we’re playing the same kitten 2 years in a row everyone knows how to stay alive at mai trin. All good players know to stay close to her if you want the fight to go fast without a dedicated kiter. All good players already knew she has an unblockable attack and a undodgeable attack. Why was this even chosen as the level 100 encounter? Honestly I don’t even think they will ever add new fractals to the game if they considered mai trin to be the hardest encounter.

Those bosses take longer to kill than raid bosses. And they are boring as hell. Molten duo effigy makes me want to cry.

Correct me if I’m wrong but afaik the average enrage timer is 10 minutes

Archdeviner doesn’t last 10 minutes
Uncat Champions don’t last 10 minutes
Molten Duo doesn’t last 10 minutes
etc.

I agree that the effigy is overtuned, considering it’s a champion that is not the endboss of that fractal. But that one doesn’t last 10 minutes either. Mai Trin is a longer fight than 10 minutes but you don’t really fight her all the time

Raid bosses are not the same simple mechanics for even 5 minutes though.

I dont know how long they actually took in my group. But it felt far too long for almost every fight. Hitting 5-9k gravediggers is a good indication that armour scaling is way over the top. Its completely forcing condi at that point.

I believe the enrage timer on Vale Guardian was 8 minutes during the last BWE. It’s probably been changed since then though, lots of people were complaining about it.

Honestly at this point I feel I’ve got a lot less motivation to play long-term than I did before HoT launched. Nobody in my guild/friends list runs dungeons anymore because of the rewards nerf, and fractals just feel boring to me now. I hope all the raid bosses stay as (or more) fun than Vale Guardian was, or I don’t think I’ll be playing very much after I finish the last of the HoT adventures and masteries. Even PvP feels worse with all the power creep from elite specs.

Well, if you don’t like the boss mechanics in the first place, why bother?

Of course raid bosses are more complex than that, but archdeviner has 2 different phases, molten duo has 2 phases, uncat champions are 2 different bosses

As a note we played only one condi engi in our party, rest was always power builds

They could 2 Ranged adds in the Mai Trinn cannon phase (for high level Fracs) whose only attack is a 3 seconds channel that will stun you if it hits you, forcing you to save dodges for it while evading cannon AoEs.

Why doesnt Anet spice encounters up?

Because it’s easier to just add 0 to the end of the HP bar.

Just add HP and remove toughness, it ends up being kind of the same but at least it doesn’t devalue berserker/direct damage so much.
In all honesty though, we wouldn’t even need cubic tons of toughness/hp if they would’ve stopped being lazy and created instabilities tailored to each fractal island instead of going ahead and just slapping instabilities we had in a similar fashion before on the different tiers. That was the real way to add difficulty to fractals and they failed gloriously.

but that requires effort nooooooooooo

I’m just so sincerely disappointed. I did make myself guilty of being too bitter and unfair in the past, but the new fractals simply sucked for me. How appalling it was to climb to 100 with such… ease? I don’t know. I’m not a very skilled player, I’m not a math person, I have the decision making and the tactical prowess of a navajo shaman drugged with peyote to the eyeballs…
… and yet it was so uneventful and boring ç_ç
The only fractal that made us curse is aether. Really.

I was expecting stuff, that’s why I was so disappointed. I know, I know, my bad, aight. First of all, I was expecting new and unique instabilities per fractal; second, I was sure they were gonna add new and unique mechanics to bosses at 70+; third, it was—
blablabla.
It was just boring. Yeah.
… I mean we did mai 100 despite the… the thing she did (how do you spoiler tag? :O) on first try. First tryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! I didn’t even beat the last boss in the personal story first try!!!!!!
It’s not supposed to be this way, or is it just me? I have no experience in mmos and raids other than gw1 (which made us wipe multiple times on the very first pack of mobs in élite mission Urgoz’s warren and then sent us out of the instance with a roundhouse kick, lol! so much for respecting the legacy).

Well, seems like me and some friends are actually the only ones who like the new fractals more than the old ones :/

It’s very far from perfect, don’t get me wrong, but I definitely prefer this to 10 second Archdeviner phases on scale 50

At least archie actually had a chance to kill you in 1 hit if you didn’t cheese it with ib and aegis spam :/ now you can afk as I did and not die.

Soooooo condi engi is viper armor now? rest can be sini?

Weapons are Viper as well
And afaik you can’t get ascended Viper trinkets so those have to stay Sinister

Edit: nevermind, I was wrong

/looks at wallet

Oh god, my money. Thx
Now I have to decide between this and crushed bone. Tuff.

Cheezy.2039:

Weapons are Viper as well
And afaik you can’t get ascended Viper trinkets so those have to stay Sinister

Edit: nevermind, I was wrong

Full viper then?

Ryn.6459:

Cheezy.2039:

Weapons are Viper as well
And afaik you can’t get ascended Viper trinkets so those have to stay Sinister

Edit: nevermind, I was wrong

Full viper then?

Sinister trinkets if you use the Toxic Attunement Crystals
2 Viper earrings if you don’t, but since they are not available as Ascended I still use sinister

You can get a vipers amulet from achievements. But you can also just use toxic focusing crystals and spend the 75s.

The living story achievments give viper amulets?