Guild Wars 2

Personally, I see the solution being simple. Whenever someone strips a boon from their opponent, that boon can’t be reapplied for 8 seconds. If that boon is corrupted, it can’t be reapplied for 4 seconds. The numbers can be tuned up or down as needed. This would allow more diversity as those whom rely heavily on boons have a counter and people will make builds with the sole purpose of denying others. It would even work well in PVE against bosses that constantly gain boons no matter how much they are stripped. The karka vets and champs immediately come to mind.

I also have a concern about Signet of Inspiration. If you’re going to nerf the active effect, redesign the passive to be as desirable as the active. There’s no point in having random boons because there’s no way to guarantee you’ll have the boon you want when you want it. Perhaps it could simply pulse vigor and swiftness. Both would be very beneficial to mesmers.

Lendruil.9061:

Spira.4578:

vicious.5683:

Dinosaurs.8674:

Someone jokingly mentioned earlier that anet would also nerf epidemic too just to screw necros, well you know what? Epidemic deserves to nerfed in raids, that skill is completely ridiculous. It doesn’t just make bosses’ adds trivial, it makes them a negative for the boss, unless the fight is set up in such a way that necros are completely horrible (a la KC). With epidemic nerfed, it would be reasonable to buff other aspects of necromancer to make them more generally useful, which would both improve viability of necromancer and make raids better as a whole.

You say necro’s only reason to be in raids is Epidemic and you wanna nerf it? LOL
If you buff other aspects of necro’s builds then you will generate unbalance in pvp. And believe me, no one wants necro to be OP in pvp.
Epidemic is just right and needed to make the entire profession viable in raids.

Epidemic is FAR from right. There’s a reason why there are “5 necro meta” lfgs for high level fractals out there. Epidemic is OP as hell.
2x higher HP with an additional HP bar, with a ranged weapon that can easily make a 30k beeding aoe ongoing dps (without having to constatnly attack), is far away from just “okay”.

The 5 necro meta lfgs are just clueless pugs and far away from optimal. People chose to run 4 or 5 necros in fractals because they are bad and necros don’t die as fast as other classes.

It’s the synergy between them that makes them broken. Especially where there are a lot of mobs around. That being said, even 1 necro is dealing too much damage.
It doesn’t matter if it’s being played by bad or good players.
The fact that you don’t sacrifice anything (like survivability) to deal more damage than most of the other classes, is what makes them unbalanced.

vicious.5683:

Dinosaurs.8674:

Someone jokingly mentioned earlier that anet would also nerf epidemic too just to screw necros, well you know what? Epidemic deserves to nerfed in raids, that skill is completely ridiculous. It doesn’t just make bosses’ adds trivial, it makes them a negative for the boss, unless the fight is set up in such a way that necros are completely horrible (a la KC). With epidemic nerfed, it would be reasonable to buff other aspects of necromancer to make them more generally useful, which would both improve viability of necromancer and make raids better as a whole.

You say necro’s only reason to be in raids is Epidemic and you wanna nerf it? LOL
If you buff other aspects of necro’s builds then you will generate unbalance in pvp. And believe me, no one wants necro to be OP in pvp.
Epidemic is just right and needed to make the entire profession viable in raids.

Yeah that’s why I’m saying epidemic is awful for necromancers, because they rely completely on that skill to be good in raids. That skill is so good on its own that other necromancer skills and traits cannot get significant buffs, and so if you encounter a situation where epidemic doesn’t help, the entire class becomes bad. It would be much better if epidemic was a worse skill and other necromancer skills and traits were better to compensate.

A group killed VG with 3 people. I think everyone will be just fine.

Is this for PvP or PvE?! You all never kittening say!

Kam.4092:

Is this for PvP or PvE?! You all never kittening say!

These are Changes coming from WvW and PvP to PvE.

Kam.4092:

Is this for PvP or PvE?! You all never kittening say!

It’s for everyone. This game doesn’t split modes….

Spira.4578:

Lendruil.9061:

Spira.4578:

vicious.5683:

Dinosaurs.8674:

Someone jokingly mentioned earlier that anet would also nerf epidemic too just to screw necros, well you know what? Epidemic deserves to nerfed in raids, that skill is completely ridiculous. It doesn’t just make bosses’ adds trivial, it makes them a negative for the boss, unless the fight is set up in such a way that necros are completely horrible (a la KC). With epidemic nerfed, it would be reasonable to buff other aspects of necromancer to make them more generally useful, which would both improve viability of necromancer and make raids better as a whole.

You say necro’s only reason to be in raids is Epidemic and you wanna nerf it? LOL
If you buff other aspects of necro’s builds then you will generate unbalance in pvp. And believe me, no one wants necro to be OP in pvp.
Epidemic is just right and needed to make the entire profession viable in raids.

Epidemic is FAR from right. There’s a reason why there are “5 necro meta” lfgs for high level fractals out there. Epidemic is OP as hell.
2x higher HP with an additional HP bar, with a ranged weapon that can easily make a 30k beeding aoe ongoing dps (without having to constatnly attack), is far away from just “okay”.

The 5 necro meta lfgs are just clueless pugs and far away from optimal. People chose to run 4 or 5 necros in fractals because they are bad and necros don’t die as fast as other classes.

It’s the synergy between them that makes them broken. Especially where there are a lot of mobs around. That being said, even 1 necro is dealing too much damage.
It doesn’t matter if it’s being played by bad or good players.
The fact that you don’t sacrifice anything (like survivability) to deal more damage than most of the other classes, is what makes them unbalanced.

It certainly matters who’s playing the Necro. Just today we had a Necro pug that kept using Epidemic on a lone boss with nothing else around. When asked why he said ’it’s just his rotation’.

Necro damage without the Elite minions is actually not all that great. It’s decent sustained DPS, which can be good for some fights (such as the Thaumanova boss) where you’re busy kiting, but the main reason for the Necro Fractal Meta is that Necros are quite durable with a low skill floor, so they are pug friendly. Balanced groups will easily beat the content faster.

JFFcrazyhorse.6352:

A group killed VG with 3 people. I think everyone will be just fine.

Remind us again what the anchor point of that 3 man was ?

/facepalm Willowing is upset.

If you change the Druid heal then you will remove our use in raids.

Before judging those upcoming SoI-changes, I will wait for how significant the dps-increase for mesmers will be. My hopes arent too high though.

JFFcrazyhorse.6352:

A group killed VG with 3 people. I think everyone will be just fine.

That’s not what people are complaining about.
The problem is, by doing this change, they will push classes out of the compositions, since they are removing their only purpose in a party.
It’s okay to nerf things, but if their main purpose is to “give other classes the chance to fill that role as well”, they should also nerf other aspects, so that mesmers, rangers and revenants could get the chance to fill other roles too.

Jojo.6140:

Before judging those upcoming SoI-changes, I will wait for how significant the dps-increase for mesmers will be. My hopes arent too high though.

if it’s enough of an increase to make up for the SoI changes, it’ll be high enough to get nerfed into the ground instantly.

you would have to make mesmer by far the best DPS class in game to balance that out, and that wouldn’t be healthy either.

Jojo.6140:

Before judging those upcoming SoI-changes, I will wait for how significant the dps-increase for mesmers will be. My hopes arent too high though.

Mesmers DPS would still be bad and wouldn’t justify the gutted Support capability.

JFFcrazyhorse.6352:

A group killed VG with 3 people. I think everyone will be just fine.

Again, this is not about kills. The 5-5 meta we’ll inevitably end up with is only slightly less dps than we have now. It’s about 50% of the classes becoming near useless.

Need some actual numbers here and what will you be doing to compensate Revenants for this? Other legends need attention, a lot of it but not a peep on that. This announcement only serves to alarm people without other changes to maybe soften the blows here.

Elementalist mandatory nerf incoming.

XPilo.5862:

Elementalist mandatory nerf incoming.

It’s funny because while this might be semi justified in PvE any more Ele nerfs would just hurt them more in PvP when they’re already pretty much almost useless.

WTB SPLIT BALANCE

There are so many people on here complaining about the new balances before they are even here, let’s wait and until they are actually here before the complaining, they may not be as bad you think.

Eragon.8234:

There are so many people on here complaining about the new balances before they are even here, let’s wait and until they are actually here before the complaining, they may not be as bad you think.

With ANet’s track record since HoT, it’s almost guaranteed to be worse.

I don’t understand why the game was modified to allow for just wvw or spvp or pve balance changes but is not being used in this case? This is clearly an issue in wvw/spvp and pve is going to have to dearly pay for it as a result.

Severely disappointing. This is making potentially rev and mes (who both have crappy dps) not valid in raid after this and ruining druids chance to do anything other than heal.

Eragon.8234:

There are so many people on here complaining about the new balances before they are even here, let’s wait and until they are actually here before the complaining, they may not be as bad you think.

As they explained in the past, they won’t be doing small tweaks when it comes to rebalance. They will do it big. So if they mentioned it, it will be a VERY noticable nerf.

KingofRoses.1726:

I don’t understand why the game was modified to allow for just wvw or spvp or pve balance changes but is not being used in this case? This is clearly an issue in wvw/spvp and pve is going to have to dearly pay for it as a result.

Severely disappointing. This is making potentially rev and mes (who both have crappy dps) not valid in raid after this and ruining druids chance to do anything other than heal.

And they’re like thinking of buffing Rev/Mes DPS which will push them in the “a lil bit OP” in PvP while “still probably useless” in raids.

#feelsbadman

Dorian.8542:

Pedroso.4603:

As always, balance focused on pve and not pvp.

gg.

One word. Theif.

One word. ONE WORD! You couldn’t spell that one word right.

So, why no nerf to durability runes , Plate of Mussels Gnashblade ( and all +15% or +20% boon duration food such as Bowl of Nopalitos Saute/ Loaf of Candy Cactus Cornbread / Chocolate Omnomberry Cream / Spring Roll), and Sigil of Concentration?

While you’re at it might as well change all doubloons and snowflakes to concentration as well instead of a flat percentage and standardize it so that doubloons don’t give more stats than jewels split across multiple stats. (i.e. Platinum Doubloon < 3.67% boon duration since it would be 25+15+15=55 concentration for a 3 stat item)

Giver’s armor should be adjusted to concentration (1% boon duration is only 15 concentration) or to match the weapon stat set instead of its mere +1% boon duration. (although even more Condition Duration may be excessive)

Why can’t Signet of Inspiration have higher swiftness uptime instead of its current RNG passive? Currently it is stronger than Heat Sync + Sand Squall mainly due to the boons from chain-shattering with Bountiful Disillusionment and the second phantasm trigger regen from Echo of Memory/Deja Vu when used in conjunction with Illusionary Inspiration. So if you want to be technical about it, Illusionary Inspiration is what sets it apart from Heat Sync. Putting additional cooldown of say 15-20 seconds on Illusionary Inspiration would alleviate this.

Naturalistic Resonance nerf is semi-expected.

This is literally worse than when anet said legendaries are canceled

Don’t complain about the most stupid nerf ever!
Anet needs to weaken the classes to make super strong elite specs with the next expansion…

And i thought the game is close to a good state again…

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

Making Raid comps more stale and not flexible for newbies.
Having strict builds to not need stat/rune swapping.
Unimpressive Precursors for the Legendary Armor.
Is this a plan to make Leg. Armor unappealing to have so that we care less if it’s delayed even more? :-P

EriskRedLemur.7153:

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

On balance patch day I’ll be too busy complaining about all the other crap they will screw us over with but don’t mention here atm, particularly regarding DH. Gotta get a headstart.

EriskRedLemur.7153:

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

Based on the past events, it’s better to cry earlier, so ANET reads about it and takes it in consideration – it happened before it can happen again. It’s either this, or, well, you know, waiting for the next balance patch in a few months.

as a player who only plays WVW and Raids this has 2 be the worst thing ive read i understand why in wvw their is a team comp using revs and mes to give ur squad every boon perma ok i understand but and this is a big BUT u have just deleted mes and rev from raids mes damage is equal to trying to kill someone only using angry thoughts and revs not much better their in the squad for one reason their team support which u just removed

my solution split pve/raids and wvw just like you did for pvp or risk having ur lfg filled with insta kicks for somone not running ele, necro, druid

Spira.4578:

EriskRedLemur.7153:

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

Based on the past events, it’s better to cry earlier, so ANET reads about it and takes it in consideration – it happened before it can happen again. It’s either this, or, well, you know, waiting for the next balance patch in a few months.

As if that works lol. Quite obviously they don’t listen at all. Each balance patch they just screw over different classes and once they finally somewhat get it right they come up with this kitten to bring it all down again instead of leaving it. Guess they never heard of don’t fix what isn’t broken…

I come here for the information, I stay here for the schadenfreude.

@Gaile, the balance/skill teams, & ANet generally: I look forward to seeing the actual changes wrought; good and bad. Especially those you didn’t mention.

~EW

i need to ask this will you be re balancing raids to make up for the dps loss or will we just have to run 8 eles 2 druids?

Spira.4578:

EriskRedLemur.7153:

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

Based on the past events, it’s better to cry earlier, so ANET reads about it and takes it in consideration – it happened before it can happen again. It’s either this, or, well, you know, waiting for the next balance patch in a few months.

They don’t need to budge on the SoI nerf, it’s massively needed for WvW. I WOULD like them to make it WvW exclusive though, since certain things only need to be changed there. Similar to nerfs exclusively for PvP.

Mr Vivi Ornitier.4271:

i need to ask this will you be re balancing raids to make up for the dps loss or will we just have to run 8 eles 2 druids?

There’s almost no DPS loss, just a lot less classes that actually get to join. 5/5 mirror comp is already pretty decent and will stay that way. Rev just gets deleted and druid put into a healing only role (because obvs druid rly needed their 2 fun builds nerfed for whatever reason).

XPilo.5862:

Elementalist mandatory nerf incoming.

I am betting the Mender’s amulet gets nixed, based on what’s happening to Druid. But Scepter AA dmg will get a 3% increase so it’s fine.

cranos.5913:

Mr Vivi Ornitier.4271:

i need to ask this will you be re balancing raids to make up for the dps loss or will we just have to run 8 eles 2 druids?

There’s almost no DPS loss, just a lot less classes that actually get to join. 5/5 mirror comp is already pretty decent and will stay that way. Rev just gets deleted and druid put into a healing only role (because obvs druid rly needed their 2 fun builds nerfed for whatever reason).

yep it really will delete rev as their will be no room for it as ur need that second mes for the same quickness up time but then ur losing out on damage becz mes damage is trash so more eles needed. i already main zealots druid/ele/thief in raids so im not hit that hard by this but my friend only plays rev so he will probs have 2 switch class or risk being dropped from weekly raids

trunks.1659:

XPilo.5862:

Elementalist mandatory nerf incoming.

I am betting the Mender’s amulet gets nixed, based on what’s happening to Druid. But Scepter AA dmg will get a 3% increase so it’s fine.

You are talking about two different things, you are about PvP while the comment you quoted is about PvE…

Mr Vivi Ornitier.4271:

i need to ask this will you be re balancing raids to make up for the dps loss or will we just have to run 8 eles 2 druids?

the dps loss is not worth mentioning considering most of the time you finish raid bosses with minutes to spare

Mr Vivi Ornitier.4271:

cranos.5913:

Mr Vivi Ornitier.4271:

i need to ask this will you be re balancing raids to make up for the dps loss or will we just have to run 8 eles 2 druids?

There’s almost no DPS loss, just a lot less classes that actually get to join. 5/5 mirror comp is already pretty decent and will stay that way. Rev just gets deleted and druid put into a healing only role (because obvs druid rly needed their 2 fun builds nerfed for whatever reason).

yep it really will delete rev as their will be no room for it as ur need that second mes for the same quickness up time but then ur losing out on damage becz mes damage is trash so more eles needed. i already main zealots druid/ele/thief in raids so im not hit that hard by this but my friend only plays rev so he will probs have 2 switch class or risk being dropped from weekly raids

The increased alacrity will make up for it slightly and put ele on top again. Depending on what they do with the chrono dmg boost we prob won’t notice an actual dps loss much. Just a big middle finger to people who play the other 50% of the classes.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Spira.4578:

EriskRedLemur.7153:

Maybe people should stop doomsaying and whining before the actual detailed changes are released. Who knows what ELSE they will add/change to balance things. I’d find it hilarious if they buff Mesmer despite the doom and gloom here over a signet change.

It could be anet totally screws PvE for PvP/WvW balances. Until we get the actual changes I am not wasting time crying a river and overreacting. IF things end up being as ppl say here, I will be there with my own tears. Until then, I’ll wait before grabbing the pitchforks and torches. Plus I misplaced my pitchforks.

Based on the past events, it’s better to cry earlier, so ANET reads about it and takes it in consideration – it happened before it can happen again. It’s either this, or, well, you know, waiting for the next balance patch in a few months.

They don’t need to budge on the SoI nerf, it’s massively needed for WvW. I WOULD like them to make it WvW exclusive though, since certain things only need to be changed there. Similar to nerfs exclusively for PvP.

Oh, yea, don’t get me wrong – I think that this nerfs will work great for WvW – sadly, they will have a counter-effect on the other 2 modes.
As I said before, you can’t fix the balance by making it better for 1/3 of the game and worse for 2/3.

If they would split the modes, yea, at first it would take some effort to balance all 3 modes (current effort x3 per patch), but after a while, it would become easier and faster, considering:
- they wouldn’t have to wait for the sPvP season to end to implement the balance patch in the other 2 modes (also leading to a possibility of constant small tweaks, making it easier to monitor the changes and making it more accurately balanced).
- they wouldn’t have to keep rebalancing what they made unbalanced in a previous patch by balancing another something from another mode.

cranos.5913:

The increased alacrity will make up for it slightly and put ele on top again. Depending on what they do with the chrono dmg boost we prob won’t notice an actual dps loss much. Just a big middle finger to people who play the other 50% of the classes.

Which is not the purpose of balance, is it?
We are all aware that balance patches are needed, we’re just not happy their approach to it.

Split modes.

Spira.4578:

cranos.5913:

The increased alacrity will make up for it slightly and put ele on top again. Depending on what they do with the chrono dmg boost we prob won’t notice an actual dps loss much. Just a big middle finger to people who play the other 50% of the classes.

Which is not the purpose of balance, is it?
We are all aware that balance patches are needed, we’re just not happy their approach to it.

Split modes.

It’s not even that high maintenance tbh. Just split some values between the 2 modes. I haven’t played a single other MMO that didn’t have skill splits, there’s always a “pvp only” note to skills.

Inb4 Epidemic nerf.

Seriously though…I’m not even finished making my viper’s gear.

Thank you Gaile for the info on the upcoming balance ^-^

Gaile Gray.6029:

To help compensate for these general reductions, we’ll be increasing both damage and a few different baseline boon durations.

This is a good sign. There are certainly things that only perform well under the current boon uptime that will suffer with a nerf to Mes and Revenant if not buffed.

Spira.4578:

cranos.5913:

The increased alacrity will make up for it slightly and put ele on top again. Depending on what they do with the chrono dmg boost we prob won’t notice an actual dps loss much. Just a big middle finger to people who play the other 50% of the classes.

Which is not the purpose of balance, is it?
We are all aware that balance patches are needed, we’re just not happy their approach to it.

Split modes.

That doesn’t apply in this case since boon sharing is a problem in both WvW and PvE raids. In raids it is only an issue for speed running since you can easily finish all raids without the OTT boon sharing.

morrolan.9608:

Spira.4578:

cranos.5913:

The increased alacrity will make up for it slightly and put ele on top again. Depending on what they do with the chrono dmg boost we prob won’t notice an actual dps loss much. Just a big middle finger to people who play the other 50% of the classes.

Which is not the purpose of balance, is it?
We are all aware that balance patches are needed, we’re just not happy their approach to it.

Split modes.

That doesn’t apply in this case since boon sharing is a problem in both WvW and PvE raids. In raids it is only an issue for speed running since you can easily finish all raids without the OTT boon sharing.

Please be all means explain to me how boon sharing was a problem in raids and how forcing us to take more chronos will solve that issue.