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Really wish anet would comment on this in some way. The complete lack okittennowledgement is making it a lot worse in my opinion.

Joonks.7501:

Really wish anet would comment on this in some way. The complete lack okittennowledgement is making it a lot worse in my opinion.

ANet doesnt response to thread like these, nor will they admit that it is a mistake. To anyone reading this thread, please make it so that there are no boundaries in cultural armor, why not make all cultural amor be put in the gem store then? they’re purely cosmetics in my opinion anyway and since Devs are pushing in this direction low blowing human light, and AT LEAST… AT LEAST… refund those crystal transmutations that we used to get our T3 armor to exotic tier.

This is beyone disappointing. They have the ability to create new outfits that don’t resemble any other available ones, they already exist in the gem store. Why cheap out with this bullkitten? This gives zero incentive for anyone to ever go for T3 human cultural armour EVER again, unless gem prices double.

Anet is a shadow of it’s former self.

They have been steadily falling in credibility since release, in my eyes. Time after time they’ve proven they’re willing to go back on their words for a quick money grab. I went from playing everyday all day to a few hours here and there, but after this T3 skin I am officially taking a break from the game.

The fact that nobody from Anet has responded to any of the threads about this makes me sick. You made your money and now you’ll ignore us until you release something else that is so completely out of line we forget about the T3 reskin and complain about that. Rinse and Repeat.

I saw cultural armor as a worthless waste of gold for lazy players like my friend who wish to look good with minimal effort. Now it’s even more worthless since you can get a flaming version for 800 gems, yet he is pleased lol.

As much as I want this to be fixed, judging by how ANet has handled things in the past, it won’t be. Can only hope they don’t do this with all of the other cultural sets. Quite bummed that I’ll have 120g worth of junk taking up six of my bank slots.

The biggest design disappointment for some posters is that a cosmetic item was put in the gem store? I could see people saying it’s kind of cheap to make it look like T3 Human Cultural, but the biggest disappointment? Disappointing is having 2 releases about Southsun Cove, neither of which made it Map completable. How can a gem store item be that horrible?

Alex Kelley.2748:

As much as I want this to be fixed, judging by how ANet has handled things in the past, it won’t be. Can only hope they don’t do this with all of the other cultural sets. Quite bummed that I’ll have 120g worth of junk taking up six of my bank slots.

On the contrary, if they decide to keep the re-skin in the Store, I seriously hope that they offer the other races’ T3 (Light) skins on there too. Throwing humans only under the bus is NOT okay.

Its quite horrendous on anything except a human, the tier 3 light armor rip off just saw it on a norn – its so unflattering, and the shading is so ‘jank’
You would think Anet would have been a little more creative with this idea? theres so many more options than going for a reskin!
And did medium armor really need ANOTHER long coat??
Why would Anet choose the worst looking heavy armor as well… cmon………… This is all rather annoying, next it will be 20 dollar legendary reskins. OH wait! i shouldntve type that I might give Anet ‘another’ bright idea :O

I do not have any of the light T3 sets, but I do have quite a bit of T2 (I like some of it better than T3.) I do have the Human Medium T3 (female.)

I would be sorely kittened if I opened up the TP and saw that armor for sale for what amounts to a pittance compared to what I paid.

I am one who usually gives them the benefit of a doubt, but I have to go along with pretty much everyone else I have talked to about this one. It sucketh hind teats..

I hope ANet realizes their mistake and fixes it, or at least re-designs T3 armor to look different.

Yep, this is pretty much an outrage. I would of never expected this garbage from ArenaNet, and that’s me giving a fair assessment of the laziness & cheapness of these armor skins.

I hope nobody buys them. ArenaNet doesn’t deserve our money for that.

Many of us have put in the time and work to afford T3 cultural armor sets. Now they’ve cheapened it. I mean, you really couldn’t be bothered to just design new & unique armor sets as you have been doing? Really? Seriously, don’t bother putting new armor skins on the shop if THIS is what you’re going to do.

While ya’ll are at it, let me x-mute my T3 norn cultural off my ranger and onto my human thief, since you severely kitten the ranger since I got it.

I did a huge double-take when I saw the “new” armors. I couldn’t believe that ANet would actually do something like this. My reaction was simply: WHY?????

WHY would you take armor that has been in the game since launch and try to sell them as “new”?

WHY WHY would you take something that was exclusive to one race (one of the cultural armors’ main appeal) and then let all others wear it?

WHY WHY WHY would you then take said armor and sell it for LESS than what it’s worth in-game?

WHY would you take something unique and just slaughter that uniqueness?

For money? Seriously? I don’t think the money you’ll earn from this fiasco will make up for the fact that you have made many of your customers extremely unhappy.

As a customer I feel insulted by their lack of work on their new models. I feel like they thought “yeah, just add some shinny, the stupid will buy it anyway cause it has flamezzz and flamez are cawl”

Also, please ANet, get your World of Warcraft armors elsewhere. You are ruining my and many others game. (Yes, some of us entered GW because it has beatiful art).

Such a HUGE step backwards… and a huge step back you wont be able to erase…

Glenstorm.4059:

On the contrary, if they decide to keep the re-skin in the Store, I seriously hope that they offer the other races’ T3 (Light) skins on there too. Throwing humans only under the bus is NOT okay.

If that were to happen, I’d imagine that nearly all prestige for completing a cultural set would be lost, and that’s not something I’d want. It just gives players one less thing to work towards.

I also have T3 sets on my Sylvari mesmer, Human warrior and Human thief, and I honestly think I’d stop playing if the same were done to them. It’s pretty unsettling to have something you’ve spent a fair amount of time working and saving for given out for half the price.

SnowHawk.3615:

Why would Anet choose the worst looking heavy armor as well…

I use that armor on my main (see below)

not the fire one, that looks horrid the way they’ve done it, I don’t think any creativity or style was put into it. If had particle effects similar to ascended weapons (ie glowing/dimming) which you could control the colour of (like sylvari) i’d have been all over it…but the fire thing, especially with how they’ve done it, really only works with a tiny colour range without looking terrible, in the vast majority of cases though it’s going to look terrible.

Alright then. Could I get the norn medium t3 for my human ranger now? And refund for the transmutations stones I spent on my ele when buying the original armor while at it?

I don’t expect them to be anything but lazy when it comes to gem store items, but for the love of god, leave the cultural armors alone.

Alex Kelley.2748:

Glenstorm.4059:

On the contrary, if they decide to keep the re-skin in the Store, I seriously hope that they offer the other races’ T3 (Light) skins on there too. Throwing humans only under the bus is NOT okay.

If that were to happen, I’d imagine that nearly all prestige for completing a cultural set would be lost, and that’s not something I’d want. It just gives players one less thing to work towards.

I also have T3 sets on my Sylvari mesmer, Human warrior and Human thief, and I honestly think I’d stop playing if the same were done to them. It’s pretty unsettling to have something you’ve spent a fair amount of time working and saving for given out for half the price.

That’s exactly how many players who already have, or are currently working towards, human T3 light armor feel now.

Personally, I don’t really care about the prestige; I care about the principle. Isn’t cultural armor meant to be exclusive to each race? Why was this done then? And if it was a conscious, planned-out decision by ANet and not a goof, why were ONLY human light armor players singled out?

Elana.2584:

I did a huge double-take when I saw the “new” armors. I couldn’t believe that ANet would actually do something like this. My reaction was simply: WHY?????

WHY would you take armor that has been in the game since launch and try to sell them as “new”?

WHY WHY would you take something that was exclusive to one race (one of the cultural armors’ main appeal) and then let all others wear it?

WHY WHY WHY would you then take said armor and sell it for LESS than what it’s worth in-game?

WHY would you take something unique and just slaughter that uniqueness?

For money? Seriously? I don’t think the money you’ll earn from this fiasco will make up for the fact that you have made many of your customers extremely unhappy.

My thoughts exactly.

Even if i don’t have a human in light t3 i have a ranger in it and i would feel the same way. I worked way to long for that set.

It looks like it should be more expensive than t3. Kinda sad…

Lazze.9870:

Alright then. Could I get the norn medium t3 for my human ranger now? And refund for the transmutations stones I spent on my ele when buying the original armor while at it?

I don’t expect them to be anything but lazy when it comes to gem store items, but for the love of god, leave the cultural armors alone.

Sounds good

This move does not make sense to me. The art team of ArenaNet has incredible talent, I think we can all agree on that. It seems a little far fetched that they couldn’t design a new armor.

This seems like a decision solely made by the marketing team with the effects added by an outsourcer or a sole employee that is not necessarily connected to the art team.

Also, what is the point of having a “cultural” armor if it is available to anyone and everyone? The logical fix or make-up move here seems to be limiting the armor to humans, at least. It’ll still undermine the effort of people having gone through the trouble of farming the (arguably less cool looking) set, but that is personally fine with me.

They have to make money, so if one has the choice between farming it and giving money, I think that’s fine as long as it is for cosmetics. ANet has been oddly silent though, not a good sign… Then again, they haven’t deleted the thread and they’ve even merged it, so perhaps they will address the issue.

Wait and see.

Sps.7862:

This move does not make sense to me. The art team of ArenaNet has incredible talent, I think we can all agree on that. It seems a little far fetched that they couldn’t design a new armor.

This seems like a decision solely made by the marketing team with the effects added by an outsourcer or a sole employee that is not necessarily connected to the art team.

Also, what is the point of having a “cultural” armor if it is available to anyone and everyone? The logical fix or make-up move here seems to be limiting the armor to humans, at least. It’ll still undermine the effort of people having gone through the trouble of farming the (arguably less cool looking) set, but that is personally fine with me.

They have to make money, so if one has the choice between farming it and giving money, I think that’s fine as long as it is for cosmetics. ANet has been oddly silent though, not a good sign… Then again, they haven’t deleted the thread and they’ve even merged it, so perhaps they will address the issue.

Wait and see.

When you refer to ANet Art Team, I think you are talking about a looooong time ago when this game was being made and real art was on the table…

IV picked Human just for that armor JUST so i can have exclusive armor and now this EPIC greed is killing the old content for p2w content this is not cool not cool at all <P>
ANY arena net is gona read this and explain us what was their idea behind this ?
epic epic joke soon all armors from each race for evryone we gona do new content only in the gem store not in dungeons not in raids not in fraktals new armors only in gem store.
whit this move i will never ever EVER buy gems from u guys arena net NEVER if u not remove the store item asap !!!ciao

It’s a fact that there are a lot of humans in light T3… but this is just a hard slap in the face to me.

insert string of perceived vulgarities that would be filtered out as an expression of rage and disappointment

I don’t usually comment on the official forums – I know that every game has its ups and downs, and that no one is going to like everything a game does, and I accept that. And I enjoy GW2, because it continues to be a fun MMO to play. But I really wanted to put in my two cents on this, lest silence be taken as tacit acceptance.

Reskins? They don’t bother me. Often times having a reskin or two out there for an interesting weapon can prove popular (the SAB holo-weapon color variants are a great example). What I did take umbrage with was the use of a cultural armor as the base for one of these reskins. Only one of my characters is human, and they don’t even wear light armor, but my main character is a Norn warrior. Back when the game came out, when I was considering which race I’d like to play, I saw a concept art or some screenshot of Norns in what I now know is T3 heavy armor and thought, “That’s it! That’s totally what I want!” It wasn’t the absolute clincher, but cultural armor did factor into my choice of race, and I’ve had no regrets about that.

That said, I don’t actually -have- my T3 cultural armor yet. It’s the big thing I’m saving toward, on a longer timeline (which is always drawn out by gearing up alts, or starting to do crafting), and when I get it, I know I’ll feel proud to have it. That’s why I can understand how bad human LA classes feel today, seeing one of their coolest, most iconic outfits now available to everyone. Generally, higher accessibility is a good thing, especially in a game about mix-and-match cosmetics. Cultural armors, though, are the sets that best embody the value in having some things with a narrower range of accessibility. Every player can access them – they just have to roll a particular race to get specific armor sets, there.

Think of cultural armor as a racial decision no less impactful than any of the personal story choices we made on character creation. Anyone would scoff at Charr choosing their spirit of the wild, or that a Norn once toyed around with the prototype Infinity Ball. Why would we then think it’s okay to see other races parade around in gear that represents a race’s cultural heritage? Are the humans going to rush into battle in Blood Legion armor?

Cultural armor is tied with dungeon armor as about the most abysmal choice one could have made for a reskin, because they mean a little something more. And they’re a hallmark of ArenaNet’s commitment to the great lore of this game – that we can have armors that so expressively embody each culture’s distinctive tastes.

I have to add that I find it odd how these were selected – a swank, elite-tier light armor (that gives quite an eyeful on the ladies, I might add), then paired with a scarecrow-esque traveling coat (that I find rather cool in its original form, but I’m in a distinct minority there) and a solid-looking but utilitarian heavy armor. If it’s a test run, I’m not certain whether you’re testing “Will people buy gem store versions of cultural armor?”, “Will people buy really revealing armor for female characters at a higher rate than average?” (I’ll save you some time here: the answer is yes), or “Which class of armor do people buy most often as a gem store purchase?” In any of those cases, a more even contest would’ve given better results for a test.

I know that, at this point, you probably can’t go back on this decision, and I’m sad for all the humans who have to eat it because of that. The best possible thing would be to make a totally swank new human cultural T3 and let the old one’s skins filter into the system as exotics, making sure to give those who had paid gold for the previous set a set of the new as a goodwill gesture. But I’m not expecting that, as much as I think it would be a great response. What I would appreciate, though, is if, in your search for additional revenue opportunities, you left things like cultural armor, dungeon armor, fractal weapons, and the like alone. I’m not against reskins, but against taking away something that made each race that much more unique. I want ArenaNet to make money, because that lets us all enjoy this game, and if some moderate reskinning/particle effect tarting up will do the trick, that’s okay. Just be judicious in which armor sets you use. If the light armor option had not been a cultural armor, the worst accusation you would’ve gotten was that some people would say it was lazy. What we have here, though, is an order of magnitude greater, and certainly not the company’s finest hour.

Thanks again for listening, reply or no.

Another “why” that came to mind:
WHY didn’t ANet release one of these armors instead?

At the very least the PVP Tribal one is already in-game, and people have been asking for a PVE version of it since game launch. I’m sure ANet could make lots more money selling those (heck I’d buy at least one of each) than sub-par reskins.

I believe 3 and 4 are npc clothing.

One word for you anet, annoyed.

ittoujuu.3076:

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I could not have said it better myself.

Cikd MEVo. DAB DEiISCON. TTidhes No players who had this stuff already. GG
a n o gram.

Stuff like this is actually sitting in the back of my mind when I log in. It kind of ruins my experience in game. I’m getting to the point where I’m thinking of this as less of a game and more of some Corp trying my patience.

I am not a dollar sign. I’d rather wait for actual new stuff then to get rehashed old stuff (reskins and more flames) over and over again and then thrown into the gem store awaiting purchase.

Then I find out what actual skins were put in there and blam, Cultural gear! WvW only gear! Next thing you know we are going to have Dungeon Armor in the gem store.
Next thing you know we are going to have Legendaries reskinned with flames in the gem store.

Exactly what I said to guild mate the moment i saw it. “They just gave human t3 light to everyone, but kept every other culture exclusive..this is not going to make people happy.”

In my opinion..a real big botch to do. There is every reason in the world now to open all armour types and just flag cultural armour altogether. No foresight at all on this.

Substance E.4852:

I believe 3 and 4 are npc clothing.

Even if they are NPC clothing, it would be awesome to be able to wear them on our characters. I’d prefer if ANet spent their time making those clothing/armors useable by players, rather than adding fire effects to old armors. And that way they wouldn’t have to touch cultural armors (they can leave them for the races they were originally meant for) and still make money to fund the game.

Awesome, norns and sylvari in my ele’s t3. Love it….not.

Not a cool move imo.

That said: either all or none.

You pushed out a T3 Light Human reskin for all races?
Fine.

Now please, reskin the rest of T123 HeavyMediumLight CharrAsuraNornSylvariHuman cultural sets.

I’m waiting.

Vote against this shinanigan here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Anti-Cultural-in-TP-Awareness/first#post3268478

Now normally I am perfectly fine with Anets decisions within the progression of the game, as they generally don’t impact on me too greatly etc. But this time, they have gone too far. I was always under the impression, that the cultural armours were going to be unique and exclusive to each race. To introduce a version, of quite possibly one of the most popular t3 sets into the game, that can be worn by any race at half the price. Well I’m sorry but that is just cruel and pathetic (this show’s a complete lack on any creativity from the team in charge of armour design). I don’t care what their reasoning is, I want it gone. Cultural armour should have remained as exactly that, Cultural Armour which is Exclusive to each race (at least then we had some unique skins exclusive to each race). Not introduce a version of each set slowly into the game that is half the price and can be worn by any race. I can almost guarantee that they aren’t going to do this with every single t3 set of armour, as some sets I somehow doubt would look good on other races and would prove difficult to put on the human figure (t3 Charr armour).

I seldom post, but this is a really bad move by anet and I would like to throw in my support to revert the armor to tribal or something else and refund the gems.

At the same time, medium armor should be the missing stalwart armor. Not sure if there’s a missing pve heavy armor skin though.

Cultural armor should be “cultural”. I won’t be purchasing anymore gems until this is fixed. I was thinking of getting the phalanx armor, but I am having second thoughts if this is the future of the gem store. You guys were doing so well too, with the weapons and armor.

I don’t own any human cultural armors, but I hope my voicing out will help make this change possible.

Looks like this game is going the WoW way. Reuse old skins with slight changes, screwing over older players for slight profits, and ignoring huge issues like this on the forums that players dont like. DEVS dont even wanna post in this thread because they know its a PR disaster. Cowards Anet, cowards.

+1

/15char kitten

My opinion:

I dont usually care for rarity or the typical “i want to be unique so the armor/stuff im using must be REALLY hard to get” sentiment. I dont really mind the on going gemstore armor sales, so long as its not gemstore RNG.

But this i gotta ask, whats the point of having the concept of “cultural armor” let alone one that cost 100++ gold (althoough at the rate of gem>gold exchange is heading, 800 gems might amount to as much in the future) in the game anyway.

Maybe theyre just testing it, see the player reactions. I get that light human t3 is nice, on females is sexy as hell, so might be a good way to sell gems. If so id say we should protest against this.. I feel this isnt abt exclusivity to specific players but is about part of the lore/content of the game that gives racial diversity to characters.

So, a big NO to that.

Monoman.2068:

I saw cultural armor as a worthless waste of gold for lazy players like my friend who wish to look good with minimal effort. Now it’s even more worthless since you can get a flaming version for 800 gems, yet he is pleased lol.

Lazy gamers? I’m confused. It takes far more effort to get a full set of t3 armor than pretty much any set of dungeon armor in the game.

What armor can we use to not be considered lazy? And why is it bad that people want their characters to look nice?

I’m sure you have a fantastic point but your post doesn’t make it obvious.

This was a massively and incredibly silly, silly thing to implement.

Smith.1826:

This was a massively and incredibly silly, silly thing to implement.

To go along with everything else in this poor poor LS update.

I supported many of A-Net’s decisions but this one is inexcusable. Can’t even start to imagine how they thought this was a good idea. No more support from me.

No reply as they are currently counting the money. Next update we will get a frost-forged set with Asura T3 being the headliner. Believe.

So the thing is – with cosmetics being the main reason to play long term, if they’re available to buy whenever – whats the point of putting in the grind?

so much whining… if you don’t like it, don’t buy it

also, the funniest thing is that Norn look better on the Human tier 3 than the humans themselves xD

So, the message Anet is sending here is ’Don’t bother grinding for any unique sets in the game, we’ll just add them to the Store in a month or two’.

korelg.7862:

so much whining… if you don’t like it, don’t buy it

^Point missed.

korelg.7862:

so much whining… if you don’t like it, don’t buy it

also, the funniest thing is that Norn look better on the Human tier 3 than the humans themselves xD

Kid. It’s not whining, it’s proper understanding if what is being done incorrectly.