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I want this to be good. But Warhorn from a PvE perspective has to compete with our three best weapons: Focus, Offhand Dagger, and Staff while being tied to our two worst weapons: melee dagger and scepter.

If this does not have access to a firefield, then Scepter+Warhorn will be completely useless. I just…cannot understand why they would release this now. If scepter has some rework, then yeah…it could work. But right now…our mainhands are the lowest tier weapons we have.

Even if the specialization and abilities on their own are good, what can this warhorn provide that staff cannot? Staff has a permanent fire field. It has some extremely powerful AoE. Its autoattack in fire is very strong. Then it has a ton of utility in water. Dagger mainhand and Scepter are going to drag this weapon down unlekittenanges their skills too.

I want thi sto be good. I want it to be given the fair chance it deserves to be a choice for our weapon kit. I don’t want this to be something that just gets tossed aside. And honestly, I just cannot see how this is going to bring anything new to the table.

well , gj at kittening it up anet , cant belive we get such a useless piece of kitten , majority of ppl i talked to wanted the sword so bad and new we get that junk

and not to mention that fantasy wise it would make more sense that an ele can create a sword from fire or lighting to fight and a kittening warhorn belongs to the warriors , who the kitten thinks of a warhorn when you talk about elementalists

i was looking so much forward to the new weapon and new we get that junk , im incredible dissapointed and i think you have made a huge mistake anet

i simply lost any to motivation to play ele at all, guess i will spend my time on thief/mes from now on

RoseofGilead.8907:

I was also hoping for sword, but warhorn goes better with the Tempest name than sword does. Oh well, hopefully it’ll be a neat specialization.

Yeah as much as I wanted a sword, have to admit that thematically the warhorn fits better. Just hope it isn’t yet more bunker/support skills with insanely disproportionate cooldowns, we have enough of that crap already.

anet kittened it up, now i know how the guards felt when they got the lb, i dont know anyone who wanted warhorn , that kitten can stay with the warriors

Im happy to see warhorn get used by more classes tbh, who else then necro and maybe ranger really use it frequently?

Sekai.2987:

well , gj at kittening it up anet , cant belive we get such a useless piece of kitten , majority of ppl i talked to wanted the sword so bad and new we get that junk

and not to mention that fantasy wise it would make more sense that an ele can create a sword from fire or lighting to fight and a kittening warhorn belongs to the warriors , who the kitten thinks of a warhorn when you talk about elementalists

i was looking so much forward to the new weapon and new we get that junk , im incredible dissapointed and i think you have made a huge mistake anet

i simply lost any to motivation to play ele at all, guess i will spend my time on thief/mes from now on

Oh, you already know what weapon skills and utility skills the Tempest Specialisation will get? Please share us your inside knowledge!

I hope they bring the old Flamekissed, love that skin.

Sekai.2987:

anet kittened it up, now i know how the guards felt when they got the lb, i dont know anyone who wanted warhorn , that kitten can stay with the warriors

The difference is that Longbow gives Guardians an actual ranged weapon…and isn’t held down by a bad weapon like Warhorn will be.

Fade.1743:

I want this to be good. But Warhorn from a PvE perspective has to compete with our three best weapons: Focus, Offhand Dagger, and Staff while being tied to our two worst weapons: melee dagger and scepter.

If this does not have access to a firefield, then Scepter+Warhorn will be completely useless. I just…cannot understand why they would release this now. If scepter has some rework, then yeah…it could work. But right now…our mainhands are the lowest tier weapons we have.

Even if the specialization and abilities on their own are good, what can this warhorn provide that staff cannot? Staff has a permanent fire field. It has some extremely powerful AoE. Its autoattack in fire is very strong. Then it has a ton of utility in water. Dagger mainhand and Scepter are going to drag this weapon down unlekittenanges their skills too.

I want thi sto be good. I want it to be given the fair chance it deserves to be a choice for our weapon kit. I don’t want this to be something that just gets tossed aside. And honestly, I just cannot see how this is going to bring anything new to the table.

Exactly, focus is a great weapon that needed a good main complimentary main hand, IMO. D/D really go well together, staff is a decent weapon in it own right, scepter is a terrible worthless weapon in PvP anyways.

A sword provide the possibility for a newer way to play the game.

sebradle.7034:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Well folks it has been fun, but I am out. I am off to necromancer land. (the warhorn was just the tie breaker, I have an irrational hatred for the dagger and scepter isn’t ever going to be fixed).

warhorn confirmed for ele has hate for dagger… leaves for necro what

Believe it or not, it might not be top of the meta but at least it has one thing going for it, the developer responsible for it isn’t karl.

Also sooner or later two things will happen.
1. Cele amulet gets nerf.
2. Karl does what karl does best.

In any case, when you are in the bottom you can only move on up. Besides, I actually enjoy the play style in PvP more so than I do the ele.

Boo! Tempest blows!
…
Get it? Warhorn? Blows?
…
I don’t even care which weapon it was going to be, but come on, can’t pass the opportunity to make a terrible joke.

Sekai.2987:

and not to mention that fantasy wise it would make more sense that an ele can create a sword from fire or lighting to fight and a kittening warhorn belongs to the warriors , who the kitten thinks of a warhorn when you talk about elementalists

i was looking so much forward to the new weapon and new we get that junk , im incredible dissapointed and i think you have made a huge mistake anet

Rangers also use a horn, plus necros. And if the specialization is called Tempest, it makes sense that an ele would conjure/use a weapon to create lots of strong winds. Warhorn uses wind more than a sword does. Plus, eles can already conjure a fiery greatsword and a lightning hammer. Regardless, none of us know what the specialization is going to include yet. Might as well wait to see what’s coming before having a tantrum.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Sekai.2987:

well , gj at kittening it up anet , cant belive we get such a useless piece of kitten , majority of ppl i talked to wanted the sword so bad and new we get that junk

and not to mention that fantasy wise it would make more sense that an ele can create a sword from fire or lighting to fight and a kittening warhorn belongs to the warriors , who the kitten thinks of a warhorn when you talk about elementalists

i was looking so much forward to the new weapon and new we get that junk , im incredible dissapointed and i think you have made a huge mistake anet

i simply lost any to motivation to play ele at all, guess i will spend my time on thief/mes from now on

Oh, you already know what weapon skills and utility skills the Tempest Specialisation will get? Please share us your inside knowledge!

its a kittening warhorn , useless piece of kitten , no matter the skills the sowrd would always be better

blah…needed a melee mainhand….got an off hand

well….mesmer needed another main hand and got another off hand instead.

seems Anet would rather you have to choose between already strong options, than remedy class weaknesses.

He’s just upset because he wanted to use a sword like Gandalf.

Linken.6345:

Im happy to see warhorn get used by more classes tbh, who else then necro and maybe ranger really use it frequently?

If any weapon needs to be used by more classes it is the rifle. About the only class that uses it is the engineer because on the warrior the longbow is better.

Puh, why do they give my two fav professions off hand weapons? This should be illegal!! (????)

lulu bell.1730:

I fail to see how they can do anything creative with a warhorn that isn’t just ‘create various elemental storms’ and ‘buff nearby allies’ we have plenty of skills like that already.

Yep, this is my main concern too, that warhorn will try to step on the toes of our other weapon sets.

Hope I’m wrong.

Relshdan.6854:

blah…needed a melee mainhand….got an off hand

well….mesmer needed another main hand and got another off hand instead.

seems Anet would rather you have to choose between already strong options, than remedy class weaknesses.

The difference is simple with that. ahem

Sword Mesmer…is still good. The strongest ability also gives you a high evade uptime. Oh…yeah…and a vuln stacking auto-attack that properly cleaves.

Mesmer might be in need of another main hand, but it still has a melee option. Not a close ranged, point-based AoE option.

Me likey the art. I do I do.

Absolutely cannot wait until Thursday and Friday now, as ele is my main.

I’m not going to get my panties in a bunch about getting warhorn over sword. Neither really got me overly excited, but we’ll see what they have for us.

As a side thought…I wonder if any class is getting a main hand weapon.

Mes – offhand
Necro – two hand
Ele – offhand

Ranger – confirmed two hand
Engineer – confirmed two hand

Guardian – two hand

Leaves us with: warrior, thief, and revenant.

Thief we’ve had hints at rifle or staff – two hand
Revenant we have datamining for shield – offhand
Not a clue on warrior. Some speculate dagger, but again I think that would end up an offhand, not a main hand.

I think people just want sword because they want proper melee like other classes.

The solution is change the earth attunement autoattack to melee on all weapons.

https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/623161106425606144/photo/1

as u can see by the art, its a human calling down a storm via a warhorn, and it clearly dipicts the Elementalist, its also posted by ANet confirming the suspicion that the elementalist will defintly get the Warhorn.

Now we read for weeks now, people threatening to quit the game, delete their characters or just overall look for another proffession to main due to this, so really what are peoples reactions now its true?..

By the art it doesnt look like a support weapon at all, and the arts amazing on the side note though.

Sekai.2987:

its a kittening warhorn , useless piece of kitten , no matter the skills the sowrd would always be better

My sentiments too. Only possible way it can be any good is if its main hand, which from the picture it doesn’t look like it will be.

Menadena.7482:

Linken.6345:

Im happy to see warhorn get used by more classes tbh, who else then necro and maybe ranger really use it frequently?

If any weapon needs to be used by more classes it is the rifle. About the only class that uses it is the engineer because on the warrior the longbow is better.

Short bow needs some love too. Rangers tend to dismiss it in favor of LB POWAH, and I’ve only ever seen Thieves use it as a speed boost…

A summary:

I’ve ranted enough why this is a bad idea…but I’ll at least be willing to hear out why the devs think this is a good idea. We still have two main hands which are both so Alchemy-kitten ed awful. So…Warhorn has to hold up on its own and be better than staff. Because Scepter is extremely awful and is in DIRE need of a rework…and dagger is used because…Lightning Whip doesn’t suck.

Shame that it’s not going to change anything. Fire and Air are needed for either mainhand to work. Fire is needed for the lower CD and fury on fire fields. And air is needed because Fresh Air is good. So…Tempest has to compete with Water and Arcane Specializations.

Regardless, this is going to have to do a lot to change the meta. If it doesn’t provide a Fire field, then Scepter will be completely useless with Warhorn. So, either we get a Dagger/Focus or Dagger/Warhorn…and even then…dagger was so nerfed by the loss of Bolt to the Heart while Staff gained SO much from the specializations.

Normally, I try to be optimistic. I try to see things from the developer side. But after playing ele for 1700 hours, I know where its strengths and weaknesses lie. I know Elite specs are supposed to be a side-grade, but this is just a bad move. Elementalist are now the ONLY profession without a true melee weapon. Our auto-attacks are either complete kitten or just boring as hell. And even the latter is only in ONE attunement.

At the end of the day, Warhorn has got to be able to pull off the work of a two-handed weapon. It has to bring so much to the table. I’m scared and worried it won’t. Yes, I’m sad for no sword, but I’d get over it. I just want to see something new for the Elementalist. I just want to play my favorite profession a new way. I hope this is something spectacular, because the only storm to follow will be a kittenstorm from the one profession who lacks melee and real burst.

What will I do? Probably go with Revenant or Engineer-Forge. HOWEVER, I was already planning on that. Dragonhunter doesn’t interest me much. Now, this is all for the first few months of the xpac…maybe just first few weeks before I’d probably just keep going with my ele. Running the same build (if Warhorn is just trash). I want to play something new with the expansion. Reaper looks cool, but…Sword/Axe Revenant just kicks its kitten in the coolness factor for me. I’m just going to wait to see what the Forge brings to the table.

Fade.1743:

Relshdan.6854:

blah…needed a melee mainhand….got an off hand

well….mesmer needed another main hand and got another off hand instead.

seems Anet would rather you have to choose between already strong options, than remedy class weaknesses.

The difference is simple with that. ahem

Sword Mesmer…is still good. The strongest ability also gives you a high evade uptime. Oh…yeah…and a vuln stacking auto-attack that properly cleaves.

Mesmer might be in need of another main hand, but it still has a melee option. Not a close ranged, point-based AoE option.

no doubt ele was it worse….but either way its a curious decison on Anet’s part to ignore glaring weapon deficiencies in some classes.

I just wanted to take the time to say to the person who choose to give Warhorn instead of Sword to the elementalist that he managed to make the most absurd and despicable choice possible, ruining half of the fun for the upcoming expansion.
Less skills, less impact on our playstyle, horrible skins, silly blowing animations. And we are still stuck with dagger or scepter.
Seriously, all that in a single move. I don’t know who you are, but congratulations…

I still don’t understand why they couldn’t just have given us a main hand. We have two good off hands already, there’s a lot more need for a melee main hand. Also if the warhorn doesn’t have a fire field it will be worth crap.

At the moment I don’t see how they want to sell that weapon to ele players.

Well, cringe. This will teach me to never preorder anything, ever again. Thanks, Anet. I normally don’t get particularly bothered by things in the same way other people do and don’t have many issues with most decisions Anet makes, but consider me completely and utterly disappointed (angry, upset, you name it) for the first time.

Guess I’ll start looking for a new class, then, so I can have some specialization to enjoy. Meh.

Relshdan.6854:

Fade.1743:

Relshdan.6854:

blah…needed a melee mainhand….got an off hand

well….mesmer needed another main hand and got another off hand instead.

seems Anet would rather you have to choose between already strong options, than remedy class weaknesses.

The difference is simple with that. ahem

Sword Mesmer…is still good. The strongest ability also gives you a high evade uptime. Oh…yeah…and a vuln stacking auto-attack that properly cleaves.

Mesmer might be in need of another main hand, but it still has a melee option. Not a close ranged, point-based AoE option.

no doubt ele was it worse….but either way its a curious decison on Anet’s part to ignore glaring weapon deficiencies in some classes.

I would say in the defense of Anet’s decision on Mesmer Shield that they got a lot of nice things added in during the June 23rd patch. Some nice things for Offhand sword iirc. (that stacking buff) Ele really just got more damage…and staff just pulled far ahead of dagger mainhand.

At least from my perspective, I can see why they chose shield and how it adds some really cool and unique buffs for the Mesmer and Chronomancer which gives more to a group.

Ele does need more ways to deal damage, but if they put that on the warhorn…then our two major support options are…gone. And again…back to the argument about mainhands being trash.

For the most part, I can see what gaps taht Anet is trying to fill with new weapons for the other professions. But they’re ignoring the Sarlaac pit for Elementalist and throwing a warhorn in to try to feed it.

Remember, warhorn is not giving you two extra weapon skills, it’s giving you at least eight different weapon skills, if not ten, if Tempest gets access to a new attunement via F5 skill!

As with the Necro, I think fixing the issues with the class should come independent of the Elite spec.

I REALLY hate the idea of the specs coming in and fixing issues with the classes.

I much rather see Dagger and Sceptor buffed/re-worked.

skullfaerie.7203:

Guess I’ll start looking for a new class, then, so I can have some specialization to enjoy. Meh.

Or you could wait until the reveal of the specialization before dramatically abandoning your ele.

Keep in mind guys, when the Mesmer shield was announced a lot of people went “I’m going to use the Wells, but I think I’ll stick with my normal weapon set”

All the classes that get an offhand are getting something awesome to make up for the limitation. There shouldn’t be a reason why you can’t be a Tempest with a staff.

Ill wait for the Dev’s explanation. And if it’s bad, I’ll switch to main Revenant.

They have heavy armor, dual sword, and 30 skills

RoseofGilead.8907:

skullfaerie.7203:

Guess I’ll start looking for a new class, then, so I can have some specialization to enjoy. Meh.

Or you could wait until the reveal of the specialization before dramatically abandoning your ele.

Exactly this! Also, elite specialisations are more than just a new weapon – they are the new Heal, Utility & Elite skills too!

Drayos, all toons in GW2 are right handed and the support goes in the left, which the art depicts. I wouldn’t mind duel wielding or main hand warhorn but at the moment the wardrobe has warhorns as off hand only.

I’ll probably be a tempest with a staff… Staff is like an STD to me… keep trying to use the other weapons but keep going back to Staff.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Remember, warhorn is not giving you two extra weapon skills, it’s giving you at least eight different weapon skills, if not ten, if Tempest gets access to a new attunement via F5 skill!

That’s not going to happen, seriously, how does anybody think that’s going to happen?

A fifth attunement would require new skills for every existing weapon, meaning that would be 25 new weapon skills for a single specialization.

EDIT: I think? 10 for the warhorn for all attunements, two for each off hand for 4 total, three for each mainhand for 6 total, and 5 for the only twohander. Yup that’s 25.

Ahhh, so this is what being punched in the face feels like.

So much for being a Diablo 2 Sorcerer with Sword but at least I’ll give amazing… er, be an Asuran Male version of Storm from Xmen. Wonder if they can use the Horn to summon the Kraken.

Sunshine.5014:

Ill wait for the Dev’s explanation. And if it’s bad, I’ll switch to main Revenant.

They have heavy armor, dual sword, and 30 skills

20 skills. 10 for each half of the bar.

Eles have 25 skills.

If quantity of skills available to you was your primary concern, you’d be sticking with Ele.

Sunshine.5014:

Ill wait for the Dev’s explanation. And if it’s bad, I’ll switch to main Revenant.

They have heavy armor, dual sword, and 30 skills

Apparently criticising Arena net’s terrible decision is QQing.

Why will it need to be better then staff?…. in SPVP and Roaming currently most wield the Dagger/Dagger combination, so in alot of the circumstances u wouldnt even use the staff for anything past bunkering points in SPVP if u are becoming a bunker..

So it only actually needs to be better then the second dagger in those aspects of pvp atleast.

When was this released ? finally some new info I had started losing hope.

cobalt.1846:

Drayos, all toons in GW2 are right handed and the support goes in the left, which the art depicts. I wouldn’t mind duel wielding or main hand warhorn but at the moment the wardrobe has warhorns as off hand only.

I’ll probably be a tempest with a staff… Staff is like an STD to me… keep trying to use the other weapons but keep going back to Staff.

Staffs are generically Ranged.

Thief and Rev broke that..

hammers melee? Rev broke that.

Its obvious this expansion they’re not using anything for their generic Use.

For example the Reaper, it wields a GS Sword SLOWER and more pactful then regular GS, the damage and Speed scaling fits to a Hammer not a greatsword, breaking the actual use for Greatswords there.

Ranged Hammers for the rev, this has never happened, they have a Slow bulky ranged weapon while Wielding their staffs in melee combat, Not only does support generically come from ranged weapon sets but the Weapon it self is used COMPLETELY differently by 2 classes currently.

So yes right now thats true… its completely untrue in Expansion though, everythings changing.

Ashamir.9574:

I still don’t understand why they couldn’t just have given us a main hand. We have two good off hands already, there’s a lot more need for a melee main hand. Also if the warhorn doesn’t have a fire field it will be worth crap.

At the moment I don’t see how they want to sell that weapon to ele players.

prolly cause we raged at the idea so much Anet felt they needed to prove something and took it on :P, we did go mental over the idea, well i didnt im not entirely against it tbh, i mean the Sword would be cooler looks / Apperance wise specially when customing its looks and things where the warhorns animations arnt really there.

1. Elementalists are like the best class in the game, so stop complaining. It’s so so horrible that you can’t do anything in pvp without water and arcane, all that sustain must get so boring compared to playing necromancer and being hammer trained time and time again.

2. We don’t know what the warhorn or elite spec will do at all, so complaining about a weapon is foolish when you have little more than a speculative guess about what it will do.

3. You can spec into tempest without using the warhorn, after all it could offer great things for D/D ele in terms of new utilities. Honestly most mesmers that spec into chronomancer will take torch over shield, and I can guarantee that. Meanwhile the necro GS is so slow that it won’t be a given take on many pvp builds with all t he blind spam right now.

4. There are tons of great warhorn skins available if you’re able to drop the coin on black lion skin. I have howler so it’s not my concern, but there are plenty of other warhorn skins that would go awesome with my Ele like the tempest warhorn or the ley line warhorn (I have all the leyline Ele weapons).

ronpierce.2760:

I rest my case.

http://t.co/ySZzM1xq3K/s/HUsz

Well, frak.

Conncept.7638:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Remember, warhorn is not giving you two extra weapon skills, it’s giving you at least eight different weapon skills, if not ten, if Tempest gets access to a new attunement via F5 skill!

That’s not going to happen, seriously, how does anybody think that’s going to happen?

A fifth attunement would require new skills for every existing weapon, meaning that would be 25 new weapon skills for a single specialization.

EDIT: I think? 10 for the warhorn for all attunements, two for each off hand for 4 total, three for each mainhand for 6 total, and 5 for the only twohander. Yup that’s 25.

Well, why not? After all, the Elementalist doesn’t have weapon swap. I only said if – if the new specialisation gets a new attunement.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Or you could wait until the reveal of the specialization before dramatically abandoning your ele.

Except I absolutely despise the warhorn and I don’t look forward to looking like a clown blowing into a silly horn in eight different ways. It doesn’t really matter what the details of the specialization are, unless it can function optimally without the weapon, I’m simply not not going to like it.
And even if that somehow magically were the case, a huge part of what I was looking forward to in HoT- a new weapon- has still been ruined for me, directly impacting my enjoyment of the game, so excuse me for being disappointed.

Slapinator.4196:

When was this released ? finally some new info I had started losing hope.

Just this morning. Spec teasers have so far all come out on Monday mornings. Then we get a Thursday blog and a Friday livestream.

Conncept.7638:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Remember, warhorn is not giving you two extra weapon skills, it’s giving you at least eight different weapon skills, if not ten, if Tempest gets access to a new attunement via F5 skill!

That’s not going to happen, seriously, how does anybody think that’s going to happen?

A fifth attunement would require new skills for every existing weapon, meaning that would be 25 new weapon skills for a single specialization.

EDIT: I think? 10 for the warhorn for all attunements, two for each off hand for 4 total, three for each mainhand for 6 total, and 5 for the only twohander. Yup that’s 25.

Why getting 25 skills would be a problem? Equality = the same amount of skills for everyone? Hope for 5th attument, but probably it will be singularity f5.