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Posted by: Tiger.7506

Tiger.7506

Apparently, for a lot of people anything besides sitting in LA and posting in map chat is considered a grind.

The people are just being dramatic.
many exaggerations .

Gw2 is not L T W ( Log in TO win ).

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Posted by: Khal Drogo.9631

Khal Drogo.9631

Apparently, for a lot of people anything besides sitting in LA and posting in map chat is considered a grind.

The people are just being dramatic.
many exaggerations .

Gw2 is not L T W ( Log in TO win ).

Yeah troll I could record a log of 3 hrs and post it on Youtube but I dont have so much hard disk space.

  • I might actually do this within the next few weekends.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.

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Posted by: Sutcliffe.5491

Sutcliffe.5491

I think one of the reason for Anet to allow crafting for ascended weapons is to balance the needs of everyone. If they were to lock the ascended weapon acquisition behind some hard/challenging content, then those whom dislike it will complain that they are forced to do it to acquire it.

Since crafting is avaliable to everyone and only require small amount of time per day except for the first leveling to 450 process, I think it’s a decent method to acquire it. Everyone have to spend around the same time to craft their ascended weapon. They also added a random low chance for people to get a ascended weapon from doing most activities in gw2.

The materials to craft ascended weapon are locked inside some content and most of them can be gotten from different avenues. Eg bloodstone dust from champion bags (champion bags are avaliable in pve and wvw) , empeyrial fragment from jp/dungeons etc. dragonite ore is the only material which I feel that there should be more avenues to acquire from. Now it’s only avaliable in world boss chest and a few keeps in wvw which I do not like that much. But I can do some world bosses whenever I feel like doing it as I’m not in a rush to get ascended weapon.

I spent THREE hrs just before the reset and this is what I did (you can calculate the amount of mats needed for ascended and calculate the rate)

1) COF P1
2) Kill Ulgoth
3) Frozen Maw
4) Temple of Melandru
4) Lvl a warrior from lvl 2 to lvl 10 in terms of Personal Story lvl recommendations for BL key (20-25 min)
5) PVP Daily
6) Daily Activity
7) Gather Ori and Ancient Wood for 8 alts in Frostgorge (2 ori nodes 2 ancient wood on 2 seperate servers but are close together)
8) A bit of crafting
9) Charged Quartz and Quartz Mining
10) Joined in Claw of Jormag last stage with 30% health

Doesnt sound like a lot right? I didn’t take my time and rushed through all the above-mentioned. The time adds up. Fun? Not in the slightest. Grind? Yes a lot of it and I am crawling slowly towards the First Ascended weapon.

Really is a 2nd job now. Glad I never ever played WoW in all my years of playing video games.

I dun get it….if its not fun for you, u can dont do it. Nobody is forcing u to go COF p1. quartz mining and all the other stuff u mentioned.. Anet is trying to reward people for doing stuff they like. But u are looking at it the wrong way, U are doing these events for the rewards, thats why u dun enjoy it. Go do something u enjoy ingame, if u dun have anything u enjoy in game, then maybe u shouldnt play this game at all.

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Posted by: Vlad Morbius.1759

Vlad Morbius.1759

I think it’s a matter of opinion but yes, everything is designed around maximum play time all the while trying to keep you involved enough to not jump to another game…welcome to the world most of you are guilty of creating!

Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??

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Posted by: Khal Drogo.9631

Khal Drogo.9631

I dun get it….if its not fun for you, u can dont do it. Nobody is forcing u to go COF p1. quartz mining and all the other stuff u mentioned.. Anet is trying to reward people for doing stuff they like. But u are looking at it the wrong way, U are doing these events for the rewards, thats why u dun enjoy it. Go do something u enjoy ingame, if u dun have anything u enjoy in game, then maybe u shouldnt play this game at all.

Complete and utter kitten.

If I only do what I enjoy in game ie run a few dungeons and occasional fractal + guild missions and one or two events daily, it would literally take years to craft ascended weapons. If Anet didnt introduce this amount of grind into the game, I would have been happy playing this game.

The only time Anet “rewarded” players is with the AP rewards – this is the complete opposite by introducing a G, mats and time sink for ascended.

One thing you got right though – I don’t think I will be playing this game much longer.

Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.

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Posted by: Sutcliffe.5491

Sutcliffe.5491

I dun get it….if its not fun for you, u can dont do it. Nobody is forcing u to go COF p1. quartz mining and all the other stuff u mentioned.. Anet is trying to reward people for doing stuff they like. But u are looking at it the wrong way, U are doing these events for the rewards, thats why u dun enjoy it. Go do something u enjoy ingame, if u dun have anything u enjoy in game, then maybe u shouldnt play this game at all.

Complete and utter kitten.

If I do what I enjoy in game, it would literally take years to craft ascended weapons. If Anet didnt introduce this amount of grind into the game, I would have been happy playing this game.

The only time Anet “rewarded” players is with the AP rewards – this is the complete opposite by introducing a G, mats and time sink for ascended.

One thing you got right though – I don’t think I will be playing this game much longer.

So what activities do u enjoy in game? Can u care to share with us?
If it takes years to craft an ascended weapon, it doesnt matter if u enjoy the game.
Ascended weapons are not even necessary for gameplay except fractals. The problem is you being so intent on getting these ascended weapon asap that is causing u all these frustration.

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Vayne.8563

I think it’s cute that people think the GW1 model is sustainable and profitable. There’s a reason AN can’t follow it and expect to stay in business.

It was sustainable and profitable..8 years ago for a staff of 50. Times have, however, changed.

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Posted by: Khal Drogo.9631

Khal Drogo.9631

Ascended weapons are not even necessary for gameplay except fractals. The problem is you being so intent on getting these ascended weapon asap that is causing u all these frustration.

Read edited post above. If I wanted ascended weapons ASAP + do dailies + all the stuff I wanted + farm the G needed to fund this, I would spend my entire day of at least 6-8hr everyday. And to get ONE ascended weapon for my 8 alts and post on the forums that I made the first ascended weapon.

If its going to take YEARS to get ascended, which sane person will want to stick with a game like that? You don’t need BiS gear to win, you can do any dungeon in greens etc. Problem is EVERY enemy you face is going to take that much longer to kill, whether be it in seconds or minutes.

Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.

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Sutcliffe.5491

Ascended weapons are actually not that expensive to make. The only expensive part is lvling ur craft to 500. The rest are relatively cheap. If u do what u like (dungeons/fractals etc), u will have no issue amassing empyreal shards and bloodstone dust. Dungeons give min 1g each so u can amass G at the same time.The only issue might be dragonite ore which can only be gotten from world boss chest and wvw. But u can just do these world bosses if u are free or join one of those zerg trains in orr to complete temples.
eg : http://www.stormbluffisle.com/index.php/forum/non-wvw/1485-pve-event-temple-invasions-epsilon-and-sigma
U can join them even if u are not from stormbuff isle.
It might take weeks to craft one ascended weapon but at least u enjoy it. As for alt issues, i believe that u dun play every alt equally, so just use the ascended stuff for your main first.

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Khal Drogo.9631

Ascended weapons are actually not that expensive to make. The only expensive part is lvling ur craft to 500. The rest are relatively cheap. If u do what u like (dungeons/fractals etc), u will have no issue amassing empyreal shards and bloodstone dust. Dungeons give min 1g each so u can amass G at the same time.The only issue might be dragonite ore which can only be gotten from world boss chest and wvw. But u can just do these world bosses if u are free or join one of those zerg trains in orr to complete temples.
eg : http://www.stormbluffisle.com/index.php/forum/non-wvw/1485-pve-event-temple-invasions-epsilon-and-sigma
U can join them even if u are not from stormbuff isle.
It might take weeks to craft one ascended weapon but at least u enjoy it. As for alt issues, i believe that u dun play every alt equally, so just use the ascended stuff for your main first.

Another thing I like to do – I would like to play every alt almost equally. The game no longer rewards me on a character basis. And warrior is not my main and now by default he is.

Read my inital log post of 3 hrs. You think zerg trains will net you more ascended mats than what I described of 1 temple and 2 events which I joined at nearly the end which is about 15 min on average for each of these. The only reason you get on to zerg trains is for the G.

As for champion loot bags, they are not in short supply – COF P1 will give you two, Ulgoth and his 3 dogs (if you can time it) will give 4 and Frozen Maw will drop 1. Temple of Melandru – Priest and 2 or 3 champion spiders will drop 3 or 4. I believe SE will drop a few as well.

Unkindly put, this patch is meant for the super hardcore no-lifers out there.

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Posted by: Sutcliffe.5491

Sutcliffe.5491

Ascended weapons are actually not that expensive to make. The only expensive part is lvling ur craft to 500. The rest are relatively cheap. If u do what u like (dungeons/fractals etc), u will have no issue amassing empyreal shards and bloodstone dust. Dungeons give min 1g each so u can amass G at the same time.The only issue might be dragonite ore which can only be gotten from world boss chest and wvw. But u can just do these world bosses if u are free or join one of those zerg trains in orr to complete temples.
eg : http://www.stormbluffisle.com/index.php/forum/non-wvw/1485-pve-event-temple-invasions-epsilon-and-sigma
U can join them even if u are not from stormbuff isle.
It might take weeks to craft one ascended weapon but at least u enjoy it. As for alt issues, i believe that u dun play every alt equally, so just use the ascended stuff for your main first.

Another thing I like to do – I would like to play every alt almost equally. The game no longer rewards me on a character basis. And warrior is not my main and now by default he is.

Read my inital log post of 3 hrs. You think zerg trains will net you more ascended mats than what I described of 1 temple and 2 events which I joined at nearly the end which is about 15 min on average for each of these. The only reason you get on to zerg trains is for the G.

As for champion loot bags, they are not in short supply – COF P1 will give you two, Ulgoth and his 3 dogs (if you can time it) will give 4 and Frozen Maw will drop 1. I believe SE will drop a few as well.

Unkindly put, this patch is meant for the super hardcore no-lifers out there.

The temple boss chest gives 30 dragonite ore each which is why i recommend u to do that if the only ascended material u are lacking is dragonnite ore.
World event boss gives 5~25 according to wiki but i have gotten 4 (fire elemental) before and the most i got was like 20 from jormag. Maybe higher lvl events awards more dragonite ore? That im not too sure.

U maybe right in saying that ur 1 temple and 2 events net more ascended material than a zerg temple train since i never really calculated how much time is needed…. and i only suggested that zerg temple train is a viable way to get dragonite ores.

As for playing each alt equally, it might take longer (seconds or minutes) to kill on alts without ascended weapons, but if u really enjoy it, dun let it stop u from playing with them. Its not like taking a few seconds or minutes to kill something matters unless u are going for a speed clear record.

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Khal Drogo.9631

The temple boss chest gives 30 dragonite ore each which is why i recommend u to do that if the only ascended material u are lacking is dragonnite ore.
World event boss gives 5~25 according to wiki but i have gotten 4 (fire elemental) before and the most i got was like 20 from jormag. Maybe higher lvl events awards more dragonite ore? That im not too sure.

U maybe right in saying that ur 1 temple and 2 events net more ascended material than a zerg temple train since i never really calculated how much time is needed…. and i only suggested that zerg temple train is a viable way to get dragonite ores.

As for playing each alt equally, it might take longer (seconds or minutes) to kill on alts without ascended weapons, but if u really enjoy it, dun let it stop u from playing with them. Its not like taking a few seconds or minutes to kill something matters unless u are going for a speed clear record.

The reason why time spent on killing is important because it stacks up very substantially. Grind Warriors 2 FTW. And most definitely not seconds difference on world bosses esp in the less populated servers.

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Posted by: Sutcliffe.5491

Sutcliffe.5491

The temple boss chest gives 30 dragonite ore each which is why i recommend u to do that if the only ascended material u are lacking is dragonnite ore.
World event boss gives 5~25 according to wiki but i have gotten 4 (fire elemental) before and the most i got was like 20 from jormag. Maybe higher lvl events awards more dragonite ore? That im not too sure.

U maybe right in saying that ur 1 temple and 2 events net more ascended material than a zerg temple train since i never really calculated how much time is needed…. and i only suggested that zerg temple train is a viable way to get dragonite ores.

As for playing each alt equally, it might take longer (seconds or minutes) to kill on alts without ascended weapons, but if u really enjoy it, dun let it stop u from playing with them. Its not like taking a few seconds or minutes to kill something matters unless u are going for a speed clear record.

The reason why time spent on killing is important because it stacks up very substantially. Grind Warriors 2 FTW. And most definitely not seconds difference on world bosses esp in the less populated servers.

If its that important to you, u will only be playing warrior as your only character because other classes cant perform as well as warriors in most situation in terms of dps. The only other class that is on par might be thievies. Warrior can self buff might and fury which makes them exceptionally good in solo dps situation. If u play guardian, u will definitely kill slower than a warrior solo , then u are gimping yourself by killing much slower according to your own logic that time spent on killing is that important to you. Then u shouldnt be playing alts at all.

Everytime u play on an alt other than warrior or thief , u are stacking up time on killing substantially because of the inherent solo dps difference of the classses.

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Khal Drogo.9631

If its that important to you, u will only be playing warrior as your only character because other classes cant perform as well as warriors in most situation in terms of dps. The only other class that is on par might be thievies. Warrior can self buff might and fury which makes them exceptionally good in solo dps situation. If u play guardian, u will definitely kill slower than a warrior solo , then u are gimping yourself by killing much slower according to your own logic that time spent on killing is that important to you. Then u shouldnt be playing alts at all.

Everytime u play on an alt other than warrior or thief , u are stacking up time on killing substantially because of the inherent solo dps difference of the classses.

What I want is not what grindbots want. I don’t want to play classes based on DPS alone. But this patch requires more efficient farming given a finite amount of time which leads to playing warrior. Dungeons don’t reward on a character basis any longer. In essence I have repeated my previous post, just like this cycle of vertical progression.

Btw – Thief have less dps than warrior on a sustained basis now that there are ascended GS and warriors don’t go down as quickly in a sea of particle effects.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

If its that important to you, u will only be playing warrior as your only character because other classes cant perform as well as warriors in most situation in terms of dps. The only other class that is on par might be thievies. Warrior can self buff might and fury which makes them exceptionally good in solo dps situation. If u play guardian, u will definitely kill slower than a warrior solo , then u are gimping yourself by killing much slower according to your own logic that time spent on killing is that important to you. Then u shouldnt be playing alts at all.

Everytime u play on an alt other than warrior or thief , u are stacking up time on killing substantially because of the inherent solo dps difference of the classses.

What I want is not what grindbots want. I don’t want to play classes based on DPS alone. But this patch requires more efficient farming given a finite amount of time which leads to playing warrior. Dungeons don’t reward on a character basis any longer. In essence I have repeated my previous post, just like this cycle of vertical progression.

Btw – Thief have less dps than warrior on a sustained basis now that there are ascended GS and warriors don’t go down as quickly in a sea of particle effects.

I do fine farming on my necro. I guess you get something three days before me you win.

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MasterYoda.8563

This new T7 mat grind is totally ridiculous with game crash with error codes 7 or 58 just before chest spawns so you lose out on rewards. Too big of a zerg make it’s hard to get hits in to count before something dies so you lose rewards. Events are on a timer and often run over due so it makes us waste time to even try to get these new mats. Since everyone wants these new mats so if we get to the map late you are put in an overflow server missing out on the world boss fight and rewards making us waste more time. With this patch they put massive grind into the game when they claim they don’t make grindy games they leave the grindy games to someone else to make which totally skunk smell…!!!!

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I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

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Vayne.8563

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

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I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

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BlueZone.4236

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

You enjoy farming, but don’t want to call it that because of the negative connotation attached to that word.
Events with lots of people, hmm. I, too, have been on champ farming trains to get lots of loot.

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Khal Drogo.9631

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

You enjoy farming, but don’t want to call it that because of the negative connotation attached to that word.
Events with lots of people, hmm. I, too, have been on champ farming trains to get lots of loot.

Yes I do that if I want G occasionally for an hr, but if you spend time on that, you are not spending the time to get ascended mats. Which is the point I was trying to make which is not a competition like Vayne said.

No longer a casual friendly game. As I mentioned before in another thread, I did my fair share of grinding before for a few grindy exos and 1 legendary while using AP and karma money to fund my second legendary. But they number less than 10 and this extra grind requires 50+ not including ascended armor which is to follow.

Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.

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Chuo.4238

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials.

Sorry, mate, but I actually did laugh out loud at this one. Have you ever debated what the definition of “is” is?

I think you just like to argue, is all.
:P

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MikaHR.1978

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

You know he said he didnt grind AT ALL….for his 2 legendaries

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

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Sutcliffe.5491

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials.

Sorry, mate, but I actually did laugh out loud at this one. Have you ever debated what the definition of “is” is?

I think you just like to argue, is all.
:P

What vayne means is that of the intention he has while attempting those dynamic events. He does these dynamic activities because he enjoys it..not to actually get the materials from the events. Hence other people feel that it is farming, but he doesn’t feel so.

Of course not everyone gets it…

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Chuo.4238

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials.

Sorry, mate, but I actually did laugh out loud at this one. Have you ever debated what the definition of “is” is?

I think you just like to argue, is all.
:P

What vayne means is that of the intention he has while attempting those dynamic events. He does these dynamic activities because he enjoys it..not to actually get the materials from the events. Hence other people feel that it is farming, but he doesn’t feel so.

Of course not everyone gets it…

Oh I get it. I also think he just tries too hard to justify too much, and winds up saying the occasional silly thing (as a few folks have pointed out here).

If ArenaNet aren’t paying him, they should be.

Vayne, send ’em a bill

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

Farming is a specific thing you do. Do you think I kill stuff and don’t pick up the stuff that drops?

Someone who farms goes to a zone to get something. Like killing sparks to get the things sparks drop. That’s farming. Doing what you want, and accumulating stuff as a side-affect to what you’re doing isn’t farming. It’s doing what you want.

Let’s say I got to Hirathi Hinterlands, because I enjoy the event chains there. While I’m doing the event chains, I’m accumulating karma. I already have 3 million karma. I don’t need the karma. I don’t particularly care about the karma.

So I’m not there to farm karma. I’m there to enjoy the quest chains. The karma comes as a side benefit to what I’m doing.

I don’t know anyone who would call that farming.

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I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

Farming is a specific thing you do. Do you think I kill stuff and don’t pick up the stuff that drops?

Someone who farms goes to a zone to get something. Like killing sparks to get the things sparks drop. That’s farming. Doing what you want, and accumulating stuff as a side-affect to what you’re doing isn’t farming. It’s doing what you want.

Let’s say I got to Hirathi Hinterlands, because I enjoy the event chains there. While I’m doing the event chains, I’m accumulating karma. I already have 3 million karma. I don’t need the karma. I don’t particularly care about the karma.

So I’m not there to farm karma. I’m there to enjoy the quest chains. The karma comes as a side benefit to what I’m doing.

I don’t know anyone who would call that farming.

Vayne here plays the game. A lot. So he has 2 legendaries and ascended is a joke in comparison.

Some others (e.g. me) hate repetition of any kind. So we have very little gold/mat/currencies. So ascended looks like a huge grind.

Just take a little time and step into each other’s shoes and there’s not much to argue really.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

Farming is a specific thing you do. Do you think I kill stuff and don’t pick up the stuff that drops?

Someone who farms goes to a zone to get something. Like killing sparks to get the things sparks drop. That’s farming. Doing what you want, and accumulating stuff as a side-affect to what you’re doing isn’t farming. It’s doing what you want.

Let’s say I got to Hirathi Hinterlands, because I enjoy the event chains there. While I’m doing the event chains, I’m accumulating karma. I already have 3 million karma. I don’t need the karma. I don’t particularly care about the karma.

So I’m not there to farm karma. I’m there to enjoy the quest chains. The karma comes as a side benefit to what I’m doing.

I don’t know anyone who would call that farming.

Vayne here plays the game. A lot. So he has 2 legendaries and ascended is a joke in comparison.

Some others (e.g. me) hate repetition of any kind. So we have very little gold/mat/currencies. So ascended looks like a huge grind.

Just take a little time and step into each other’s shoes and there’s not much to argue really.

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming. I don’t see how any game can avoid repetition. But I don’t particularly like repetition either. That’s why I always change things up.

I have 19 different characters. I’m not always doing the same stuff. If I’m not interested in PvE, I’ll jump into SPvP or WvW for a bit. If I’ve been running dungeons, I’ll jump into some dynamic events. It helps that I play all the content in the game, including mini-games.

But when I say I don’t farm, it means I’m not attempting to go out to accumulate stuff. Most of the time I’m just hanging out with the guild, doing what everyone else is doing.

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haviz.1340

Brainless activities rewards you with BiS while challenging content is left to rot. Maybe some players don’t like mindless spamming 1 but prefer to be rewarded for their effort equally to those who like “world” events and standing in LA by the crafting panel.

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Posted by: ilr.9675

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while spending 2 hours doing nothing but mining iron and empyreals tonight … that feel of massive grind hit me pretty hard. Hope it goes away… but when I look at the amounts need just for … say Deld & Spiritwood … I realy have to ask…. WHY? WHY so many of these lower level mats needed? That’s not gonna get people to play together. Not if they’re spending all their time chasing this junk which pretty much requires you to solo in a really super “FOREVER ALONE” fashion…

It’s really doing the opposite of what it should have done. Just feels like a kneejerk reactions to their huge mistakes on allowing inflation to get so bad in the first place

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Posted by: MikaHR.1978

MikaHR.1978

while spending 2 hours doing nothing but mining iron and empyreals tonight … that feel of massive grind hit me pretty hard. Hope it goes away… but when I look at the amounts need just for … say Deld & Spiritwood … I realy have to ask…. WHY? WHY so many of these lower level mats needed? That’s not gonna get people to play together. Not if they’re spending all their time chasing this junk which pretty much requires you to solo in a really super “FOREVER ALONE” fashion…

It’s really doing the opposite of what it should have done. Just feels like a kneejerk reactions to their huge mistakes on allowing inflation to get so bad in the first place

Noooo, you need just 450 mithril ingots or 550 planks and hundred(s) or so of other stuff, you get that by just logging in for 10 minutes/day to craft apparently

Still, IF they want to enforce this, stats on ascended should be interchangable like legendaries, ok, its a grind to level up 3 weapon crafting skills, its a grind to get just 1 weapon, let alone all weapons you need for various characters/builds but it would at least be done when you finally do.

And yes, a bit more firmer standpoint of no more tiers.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

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Chuo.4238

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming.

Farming is repetition. You can’t farm without repetition. What are you trying to prove? It’s like you’re grasping, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You like GW2. It’s the best game for you. Others don’t, and you arguing technical nuances not only misses the point, it’s not going to convert anyone. Changing how you precisely define something doesn’t make it suck any less.

This is starting to sound very silly.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming.

Farming is repetition. You can’t farm without repetition. What are you trying to prove? It’s like you’re grasping, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You like GW2. It’s the best game for you. Others don’t, and you arguing technical nuances not only misses the point, it’s not going to convert anyone. Changing how you precisely define something doesn’t make it suck any less.

This is starting to sound very silly.

It’s not silly. You’re just looking at this from a narrow and selective point of view.

What in ANY MMO is not repetitive? Combat? Check. Drops? Check.

Everything you kill in an MMO gives you a drop. If you kill stuff you get drops. Simple logic. Therefore, everything you do could be considered farming…but it’s not. Because farming is a very specific activity. It’s done with intent.

If I stand in one place and kill something, because I’m trying to get drops then I’m farming.

The only thing I could be accused of farming is achievement points. I like achievements and I go for them. As an end result, I often get drops, but I’m not going for the drops.

I can’t think of any game in ANY genre that doesn’t have repetitive play. Pinball machines have repetitive play…but I’m not farming when I play pinball. Baseball have repetitive play. But I’m not farming when I’m playing baseball.

Chess has repetitive play. The game itself is repetitive. You seem similar opening and similar end games all the time….but not one says chess is farming.

The only games that may not have repetitive play are sand box games, like mine craft…and even that can be considered repetitive, since you’re just gathering and building.

There’s no game that doesn’t have repetitive play.

So what is farming, exactly? It’s doing something repetitive with the intention of getting a specific reward. You farm mats. You farm karma. You farm rep (in other games). That’s farming.

Playing the game, repetitive or not, isn’t farming… because the focus isn’t on what you’re gathering it’s on something else.

Otherwise, you could say that Babe Ruth farmed runs.

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Posted by: MikaHR.1978

MikaHR.1978

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming.

Farming is repetition. You can’t farm without repetition. What are you trying to prove? It’s like you’re grasping, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You like GW2. It’s the best game for you. Others don’t, and you arguing technical nuances not only misses the point, it’s not going to convert anyone. Changing how you precisely define something doesn’t make it suck any less.

This is starting to sound very silly.

It’s not silly. You’re just looking at this from a narrow and selective point of view.

What in ANY MMO is not repetitive? Combat? Check. Drops? Check.

Everything you kill in an MMO gives you a drop. If you kill stuff you get drops. Simple logic. Therefore, everything you do could be considered farming…but it’s not. Because farming is a very specific activity. It’s done with intent.

If I stand in one place and kill something, because I’m trying to get drops then I’m farming.

The only thing I could be accused of farming is achievement points. I like achievements and I go for them. As an end result, I often get drops, but I’m not going for the drops.

I can’t think of any game in ANY genre that doesn’t have repetitive play. Pinball machines have repetitive play…but I’m not farming when I play pinball. Baseball have repetitive play. But I’m not farming when I’m playing baseball.

Chess has repetitive play. The game itself is repetitive. You seem similar opening and similar end games all the time….but not one says chess is farming.

The only games that may not have repetitive play are sand box games, like mine craft…and even that can be considered repetitive, since you’re just gathering and building.

There’s no game that doesn’t have repetitive play.

So what is farming, exactly? It’s doing something repetitive with the intention of getting a specific reward. You farm mats. You farm karma. You farm rep (in other games). That’s farming.

Playing the game, repetitive or not, isn’t farming… because the focus isn’t on what you’re gathering it’s on something else.

Otherwise, you could say that Babe Ruth farmed runs.

But Ruth here intentionally did runs to get a reward, so by your own definition he farmed those

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming.

Farming is repetition. You can’t farm without repetition. What are you trying to prove? It’s like you’re grasping, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You like GW2. It’s the best game for you. Others don’t, and you arguing technical nuances not only misses the point, it’s not going to convert anyone. Changing how you precisely define something doesn’t make it suck any less.

This is starting to sound very silly.

It’s not silly. You’re just looking at this from a narrow and selective point of view.

What in ANY MMO is not repetitive? Combat? Check. Drops? Check.

Everything you kill in an MMO gives you a drop. If you kill stuff you get drops. Simple logic. Therefore, everything you do could be considered farming…but it’s not. Because farming is a very specific activity. It’s done with intent.

If I stand in one place and kill something, because I’m trying to get drops then I’m farming.

The only thing I could be accused of farming is achievement points. I like achievements and I go for them. As an end result, I often get drops, but I’m not going for the drops.

I can’t think of any game in ANY genre that doesn’t have repetitive play. Pinball machines have repetitive play…but I’m not farming when I play pinball. Baseball have repetitive play. But I’m not farming when I’m playing baseball.

Chess has repetitive play. The game itself is repetitive. You seem similar opening and similar end games all the time….but not one says chess is farming.

The only games that may not have repetitive play are sand box games, like mine craft…and even that can be considered repetitive, since you’re just gathering and building.

There’s no game that doesn’t have repetitive play.

So what is farming, exactly? It’s doing something repetitive with the intention of getting a specific reward. You farm mats. You farm karma. You farm rep (in other games). That’s farming.

Playing the game, repetitive or not, isn’t farming… because the focus isn’t on what you’re gathering it’s on something else.

Otherwise, you could say that Babe Ruth farmed runs.

But Ruth here intentionally did runs to get a reward, so by your own definition he farmed those

I don’t think Ruth farmed runs to get rewards. I think that Ruth hit home runs to help his team win. His focus was on the team and winning. He might have, by that definition, farmed wins, but runs were a by product of trying to win.

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Posted by: Parlourbeatflex.5970

Parlourbeatflex.5970

Does nobody understand why ascended stuff is designed to take ages to acquire?

Its quite simple logic, I really dont understand why people arnt getting this;

Post Game Launch – Within days of reaching max level players max out chars with exotics, come on the forum and complain that theres absolutely nothing to do.

So then comes the introduction of ascended stuff, but now time gated in some way or another (guild missions, laurels or crafting components). Devs realise that to cater to both hardcore and casuals they need to implement a way to restrict hardcore farmers without using cheap DRs. This allows casuals and softcores to progress at the same rate as hardcore farmers, WHILE ALSO, giving hardcore players a progression system that spans over a large amount of time.

You have to remember anet is trying its hardest at catering for both crowds. As people have commented before, its kind of a shame they arnt focusing on one or the other, as we would probably have less of this drama at every turn as content will be designed for the core crowd only. At the minute we have casuals complaining about farming and farmers complaining about fluff and DR’s.
So you throw ascended into the mix and we have a group of players who have the potential (especially after a year of gathering) to max everything out again in a few weeks (thus a select number would go back to complaining thats theres nothing to do) AND another crowd of people that can only play a limited amount of time OR have only played for a limited time (ie new players). However both want BiS items and as gw has always been about the idea of skill over stats and anti powercreep/treadmill type endgame, holding back hardcore farmers is the lesser of two evils.

And its not like its stopping you from playing. In fact it promotes playing the type of content you like the best. Apart from a few minor examples, with the way that things have been dropping for me in game; iv began thinking that when I have all my ascended mats and my crafts to 450, ill have the mats to start the ascended crafting.. and after I begin the time gate process, through playing MOSTLY what i enjoy (dungeons, meta events and wvw) Ill have most mats to begin on the second weapon as soon as the first is done.

This means thats theres only a few instances in which ill be required to do a certain amount of content to get to ascended. Yes it may take years, especially when armour comes out… HOWEVER, its important to note that itll take other players the same time, therefore the need for grinding is minimal. I can continue to play what I like doing without feeling like im massively behind because some players treat this game like a second job in which the only part of it they enjoy is some reward at the end. Thats how kittened up the MMO community is these days.

As the recent interview with colin suggested; HE HOPES THERE’S NO NEW TIERS. In other words hes hopes that after players finally max everything in ascended gear, they have enough sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that they label their main as ‘Done and happy about it’ rather than ‘awaiting more gear to be released’ .

This says alot, especially with the points I bring up in mind.

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Posted by: Junkpile.7439

Junkpile.7439

I already feel like i am behind when i see player who have ascended weapon. 10% is huge difference in this game.

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Posted by: tigirius.9014

tigirius.9014

Apparently, for a lot of people anything besides sitting in LA and posting in map chat is considered a grind.

The people are just being dramatic.
many exaggerations .

Gw2 is not L T W ( Log in TO win ).

Yeah troll I could record a log of 3 hrs and post it on Youtube but I dont have so much hard disk space.

  • I might actually do this within the next few weekends.

Well I can see the naysayers are out in full force in this thread. “Don’t worry folks, nothing to see here, there’s no grind or anything to be upset about, it’s all in your heads” riiight whatever. Do the math you’ll see what we mean.

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Posted by: Parlourbeatflex.5970

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I already feel like i am behind when i see player who have ascended weapon. 10% is huge difference in this game.

Considering every piece of content (apart from high fractals) is designed around rare items AND the fact that every PVE encounter can be beaten with skill at dodging, i think your overestimating on that one.

Granted, that 10% will begin to rack up within the realms of wvw, but thats gonna take a large amount of people haveing ascended as standard.

You feel like your behind because you see people with the shiny shiny and inherently as an MMO gamer (weve been bred with this mentality), you feel less powerful/unique/special than him. Doesnt matter whether its a 1% or 10% difference, the feeling will be there regardless.

Name me one bit of content excluding WvW (because theres no way its making significant differences there yet) you cannot perform well in due to the fact other people have a 10% stat increase?

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Posted by: Serophous.9085

Serophous.9085

Hm, i just need emp crystals apparently, and time. So im on track.

How you say?

IM JUST PLAYING THE GAME

The cool thing to do now is salvage everything you get, go to different zones (you wont just get 80 loot all the time) . Even in wvw killing lower players gives me lower end loot. Or i get badges, which then i buy prints and sell on tp, then buy lower loot to salvage.

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Posted by: Ram Banson.4081

Ram Banson.4081

Armor is comming too, so it gets even worse -.-

Seriously GW1 was and is a great game and there wasnt any kitten like this!!!! just a few armors and a few weapons but rly nice content, great “Dungeons” or “Elite Areas” or whatever, like UW, DoA, etc. etc.

WHY NOT ADDING MORE FUN CONTENT? WHY NOT MAKE BETTER DUNGEON MECHANICS????

Blùb [LuPi]

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haviz.1340

Hm, i just need emp crystals apparently, and time. So im on track.

How you say?

IM JUST PLAYING THE GAME

The cool thing to do now is salvage everything you get, go to different zones (you wont just get 80 loot all the time) . Even in wvw killing lower players gives me lower end loot. Or i get badges, which then i buy prints and sell on tp, then buy lower loot to salvage.

I’m playing a game – fractals. I get ~100 bloodstones, 49 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 1-2g for 1-2 hours of work.

I can also do arah, arguably the hardest dungeon. Average completion time for a pug would be 30-45 minutes while getting 50 bloodstones, 20 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 2g.

Sounds okay to you compared to someone who spam 1 and gets >20x more for miniscule effort?

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Posted by: Chobits.2430

Chobits.2430

I’ll have my ascended by 8pm tonight, just by playing the game the way I always played, doing WvW, Temple Clears, and World Bosses. There was the 2hour annoyance of dumping all my resources into getting my Weapon 500. Other than that, it was easy to get an ascended. I thought it would take a month playing 4-5 hours a day but it only took 5 days.

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Posted by: Serophous.9085

Serophous.9085

Hm, i just need emp crystals apparently, and time. So im on track.

How you say?

IM JUST PLAYING THE GAME

The cool thing to do now is salvage everything you get, go to different zones (you wont just get 80 loot all the time) . Even in wvw killing lower players gives me lower end loot. Or i get badges, which then i buy prints and sell on tp, then buy lower loot to salvage.

I’m playing a game – fractals. I get ~100 bloodstones, 49 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 1-2g for 1-2 hours of work.

I can also do arah, arguably the hardest dungeon. Average completion time for a pug would be 30-45 minutes while getting 50 bloodstones, 20 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 2g.

Sounds okay to you compared to someone who spam 1 and gets >20x more for miniscule effort?

I like these responses.

Im gonna play football with one hand tied behind my back and complain about losing because the other team has everyone using two.

You CHOOSE to handicap yourself. Dont blame others for doing everything and getting stuff faster.

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Parlourbeatflex.5970

Hm, i just need emp crystals apparently, and time. So im on track.

How you say?

IM JUST PLAYING THE GAME

The cool thing to do now is salvage everything you get, go to different zones (you wont just get 80 loot all the time) . Even in wvw killing lower players gives me lower end loot. Or i get badges, which then i buy prints and sell on tp, then buy lower loot to salvage.

I’m playing a game – fractals. I get ~100 bloodstones, 49 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 1-2g for 1-2 hours of work.

Highlighted the parts of your post which summarise the flaw in your argument, and is a fundamental flaw within the gaming community.

I think its time many people re-evaluate their reasoning for playing MMORPGS.

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haviz.1340

I like these responses.

Im gonna play football with one hand tied behind my back and complain about losing because the other team has everyone using two.

You CHOOSE to handicap yourself. Dont blame others for doing everything and getting stuff faster.

I’m playing content made specifically for coordinated teams and getting almost no rewards. On the other hand you spend hours at spamming 1 during lagfest events and are rewarded unproportionally to your input. Your analogy is hiliarous to say the least, I’m actually putting infinitely more effort than you do.

I choose not to die from boredom while doing mindnumbing, brainless activity people like you find entertaining. What happened to “play how I want”? At the launch you could have got BiS gear from numbers of sources, wvw, dungeons, karma, crafting.

Explain logically, why people like you need gear progression without any new content? You can’t have fun without it?

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haviz.1340

Highlighted the parts of your post which summarise the flaw in your argument, and is a fundamental flaw within the gaming community.

I think its time many people re-evaluate their reasoning for playing MMORPGS.

English isn’t my first language, not even my second. But those words are synonymous in my language. You did something = you worked. Doesn’t mean it’s a work like you do from 9-17.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Hm, i just need emp crystals apparently, and time. So im on track.

How you say?

IM JUST PLAYING THE GAME

The cool thing to do now is salvage everything you get, go to different zones (you wont just get 80 loot all the time) . Even in wvw killing lower players gives me lower end loot. Or i get badges, which then i buy prints and sell on tp, then buy lower loot to salvage.

I’m playing a game – fractals. I get ~100 bloodstones, 49 empyreal fragments, 0 dragonite ores and 1-2g for 1-2 hours of work.

Highlighted the parts of your post which summarise the flaw in your argument, and is a fundamental flaw within the gaming community.

I think its time many people re-evaluate their reasoning for playing MMORPGS.

I worked on my golf swing today. I worked on my tan.

The usage of the word work, in this case, isn’t necessarily used to denote employment or something unpleasant.

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

Farming is a specific thing you do. Do you think I kill stuff and don’t pick up the stuff that drops?

Someone who farms goes to a zone to get something. Like killing sparks to get the things sparks drop. That’s farming. Doing what you want, and accumulating stuff as a side-affect to what you’re doing isn’t farming. It’s doing what you want.

Let’s say I got to Hirathi Hinterlands, because I enjoy the event chains there. While I’m doing the event chains, I’m accumulating karma. I already have 3 million karma. I don’t need the karma. I don’t particularly care about the karma.

So I’m not there to farm karma. I’m there to enjoy the quest chains. The karma comes as a side benefit to what I’m doing.

I don’t know anyone who would call that farming.

Vayne here plays the game. A lot. So he has 2 legendaries and ascended is a joke in comparison.

Some others (e.g. me) hate repetition of any kind. So we have very little gold/mat/currencies. So ascended looks like a huge grind.

Just take a little time and step into each other’s shoes and there’s not much to argue really.

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming. I don’t see how any game can avoid repetition. But I don’t particularly like repetition either. That’s why I always change things up.

I have 19 different characters. I’m not always doing the same stuff. If I’m not interested in PvE, I’ll jump into SPvP or WvW for a bit. If I’ve been running dungeons, I’ll jump into some dynamic events. It helps that I play all the content in the game, including mini-games.

But when I say I don’t farm, it means I’m not attempting to go out to accumulate stuff. Most of the time I’m just hanging out with the guild, doing what everyone else is doing.

“I’m just hanging out with the guild, doing what everyone else is doing.” which is farming…

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.

I always found this post rather suspect.

I do fine farming on my necro.

Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.

Sorry but you’re wrong. Just because I used a word, doesn’t mean I actually farm. What I do mean by this is that when I’m running an event with lots of people, I get lots of drops.

Now you can say that’s farming if you want…such as running the zone wide events that pop up, but I’m not actually running those events TO farm. I’m running those events because I find them fun.

Some people understand this sort of thing and some don’t.

My comment was that someone said you have to be on X character to farm. I get plenty of drops and kill plenty of stuff on my necro.

Why do I play my necro. Because it’s fun. Why do I do zone events, because I like them. They remind me of the only thing I liked about Rift.

It’s farming, without actually attempting to accumulate materials. I just do what I want, when I want.

If you are not attempting to accumulate materials it is not farming.

interesting (paraphrased)…

just because I said I do something doesn’t mean that I actually do it.

OK…

Farming is a specific thing you do. Do you think I kill stuff and don’t pick up the stuff that drops?

Someone who farms goes to a zone to get something. Like killing sparks to get the things sparks drop. That’s farming. Doing what you want, and accumulating stuff as a side-affect to what you’re doing isn’t farming. It’s doing what you want.

Let’s say I got to Hirathi Hinterlands, because I enjoy the event chains there. While I’m doing the event chains, I’m accumulating karma. I already have 3 million karma. I don’t need the karma. I don’t particularly care about the karma.

So I’m not there to farm karma. I’m there to enjoy the quest chains. The karma comes as a side benefit to what I’m doing.

I don’t know anyone who would call that farming.

Vayne here plays the game. A lot. So he has 2 legendaries and ascended is a joke in comparison.

Some others (e.g. me) hate repetition of any kind. So we have very little gold/mat/currencies. So ascended looks like a huge grind.

Just take a little time and step into each other’s shoes and there’s not much to argue really.

Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming. I don’t see how any game can avoid repetition. But I don’t particularly like repetition either. That’s why I always change things up.

I have 19 different characters. I’m not always doing the same stuff. If I’m not interested in PvE, I’ll jump into SPvP or WvW for a bit. If I’ve been running dungeons, I’ll jump into some dynamic events. It helps that I play all the content in the game, including mini-games.

But when I say I don’t farm, it means I’m not attempting to go out to accumulate stuff. Most of the time I’m just hanging out with the guild, doing what everyone else is doing.

“I’m just hanging out with the guild, doing what everyone else is doing.” which is farming…

Hate to burst your bubble, there may be one or two people who farm in my guild..but most of them don’t. We just enjoy stuff. Level an alt, because that’s fun. It’s not profitable, but it’s fun. Do a jumping puzzle because it’s fun.

Not all guilds are farming guilds. My guild is notoriously casual.