Guild Wars 2

my opinion:

positive:
-) jp-achievement brings people out in the world if they aren’t exploiting it
-) event-achievement – the same

negative:
-) exploitable
-) fractal-achievement, why won’t dungeons count for this too?

Mungrul.9358:

People telling others that jumping puzzles are easy and how to use exploits to get the achievement are missing the point.
Some people aren’t interested in that content, no matter how “Easy” it may be to get.
Offering viable alternatives would be a much more elegant solution, hence my previous suggestion.

There’s a relatively quick, easy non-exploit way to get the JP achievement with little (if any) waypoint costs…go to Caledon Forest. There are 3 JPs in the southern part of the zone that are incredibly easy to visit and are in sub-level 10 area (and a 4th if you can get past the Morgan’s Spiral JP). Those 3 plus the 3 in Lion’s Arch across 5 character slots should get you the achievement in less than an hour.

Honestly, who cares if folks are interested in the jumping puzzle content or not? You don’t even have to do the puzzles! Completing them isn’t the requirement. All you have to just “discover” that they exist (i.e. visit the start points). It’s more exploration than jumping puzzles. This is perhaps the quickest and easiest (and cheapest if you play your cards right) monthly achievement requirement that the devs have given us yet. Folks need to stop getting hung up on the “jumping puzzle” wording in the achievement and think of this as an exploration achievement. If folks don’t like exploration…well, I don’t know what to tell ya. GW2 is all about exploration.

I’d take this over salvaging gear, opening trick or treat bags, consuming candy corn (barf!!), opening presents, etc, etc, ANY day. This achievement is SUCH a gift.

Appears that you may have to do a portion of the puzzle to get credit.
Note last item about trigger point.
The newest update on wiki about jumping puzzles:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

“You “discover” a jumping puzzle by reaching a trigger point on the path to the end-chest for the achievement. You do not need to discover 30 unique jumping puzzles.

• You can get credit for the same puzzle on multiple characters and for the same server on different shards, i.e. in multiple overflows as well as your home world.
  * You can discover a jumping puzzle even if you discovered and/or completed it before.
  * The trigger point can be near the end chest, at the entrance of the puzzle area, or anywhere in between."

I was wondering if the majority of the people ever consider the fact that, maybe, just maybe, someone enjoys doing the jps? and maybe even the WvW kills, and maybe even fractals?

I am not a WvW person, I hardly ever do any, and lately I’ve done even less (guild became significantly smaller because of people leaving), but every month I spend that 1 or 2 hours of my CASUAL play time (which is roughly around 3 or 4 hours of playtime after dinner, and it’s not even a daily thing) and get the kills done. You already need some badges for your legendary. Why don’t you just help yourself not doing the WvW jp a few times and actually get badges from kills, it’s seriously not hard, just join a zerg.

And about everyone complaining about the 30 jps. “I already did them all and I don’t want to see them again”, well you know what? Not everyone has done them yet. I always said stuff like, I should get myself to do them someday, but I never did. Well you know what, now I really have to do them, and I’m actually happy I have to. Not to mention that quite a few new players join around Christmas and this is a way to show them that this game has other things, not just kill and kill.
Also about fractals. I am one of those that didn’t like “karka update” because of the ascension gear. But you know what, even if I don’t like the new ger tier I like that dungeon idea.

TL;DR:
I understand that there are a lot of things that aren’t ok currently in this game. And just to list a few: bugged traits and skills, broken DEs, the drops nerf (or the broken DR system, however you want to see it, and of course the general DR presence), the stupid amount of grind it requires (which is a lot bigger than any KR game I’ve ever seen) and of course the “gamble” policy Anet started.
BUT don’t start hating on EVERYTHING you don’t like about the game

Bensozia.8071:

Appears that you may have to do a portion of the puzzle to get credit.
Note last item about trigger point.
The newest update on wiki about jumping puzzles:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

“You “discover” a jumping puzzle by reaching a trigger point on the path to the end-chest for the achievement. You do not need to discover 30 unique jumping puzzles.

• You can get credit for the same puzzle on multiple characters and for the same server on different shards, i.e. in multiple overflows as well as your home world.
  * You can discover a jumping puzzle even if you discovered and/or completed it before.
  * The trigger point can be near the end chest, at the entrance of the puzzle area, or anywhere in between."

I can confirm that the trigger points for Morgan’s Leap, Dark Reverie and Spelunker’s Delve in Caledon Forest are all at the beginning of the puzzles. And other folks are indicating that the trigger points in Lion’s Arch are also at the beginning of the puzzles. Caledon Forest + Lion’s Arch = easy, peasy achievement for those that don’t want to do the overflow trick/exploit.

I can also confirm that the trigger points for the Obsidian Sanctum JP in Eternal Borderlands and the Sapphire Sanctum on the Blue Borderlands map are also at the beginning of the puzzles (with Sapphire, you don’t even have to make the leap of faith through the waterfall, it triggers on the cliff before the jump).

Mungrul.9358:

You know, reading this, I realised they should do monthly achievements the same way they do the major event ones (like Halloween, Southsun Cove & Wintersday).
Some people don’t want to do jumping puzzles, some don’t like fractals and others can’t stand WvWvW. So why not make more achievement tracks for monthlies, yet require less than all? That way people could choose which ones they want to do.

For example, there could be 6 achievement tracks:
50 kills in Wuvwuv.
15 Fractals.
30 Jumpin Puzzles.
100 Events.
100 People ressed.
5 maps completed.

Yet only 4 of those would need to be done to get the achievement.

Thoughts?

Yes that is what I propose.

I just wonder if there are PvE requirements in the PvP monthly?

My take on the JP monthly is that Anet see’s a lot of people haven’t done the JP’s and this is a way for them to seek them out and at least know where they are, if even for a future reference. I personally still have most to do, I found plenty of Vista’s as JP’s themselves, so I had plenty o fun figuring those jumpsters out and didn’t feel the need for additional jumping puzzles, yet.

As much as I enjoy jumping puzzles I don’t enjoy doing them again especially after i’ve completed all of them

doesn’t really matter to me what they put in there. Until they remove the dumb as kitten Fractals from it I won’t be even bothering with it.

Only have 3 people I know still playing anyway. Eventually I’ll be done to zero reasons to even log in to the game.

Peetee.9406:

Lol I have not finished my monthly since October. Always stuck at 92% and 0/7 fractals.

this
as several posts explained, it’s very easy to do this monthly.
heck those 3 in LA plus entering winter wonderland and the one on EB – thats about 5min and 5 done, bit more if you jump them…
best monthly idea so far but the execution lacks, they obviously didn’t have the balls to count finished ones only. still easy to do, 4 of the 5 take 10min combined to finish, EB might feature a helping mesmer to short cut).

but THX ALOT for insisting I’d run that powercreep/geargrind BS fractals.
why bother setting all dungeons as sub-monthly.
seems like the quoted post says, 92% again xD

Bensozia.8071:

Appears that you may have to do a portion of the puzzle to get credit.
Note last item about trigger point.
The newest update on wiki about jumping puzzles:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

“You “discover” a jumping puzzle by reaching a trigger point on the path to the end-chest for the achievement. You do not need to discover 30 unique jumping puzzles.

• You can get credit for the same puzzle on multiple characters and for the same server on different shards, i.e. in multiple overflows as well as your home world.
  * You can discover a jumping puzzle even if you discovered and/or completed it before.
  * The trigger point can be near the end chest, at the entrance of the puzzle area, or anywhere in between."

I’m pretty sure the trigger points are all at the beginning of the puzzle, it’s just that where the puzzles start isn’t always clear.

For example I tend to think of the Shark Cave one in LA as starting at the mill because that’s where you leave the “beaten path” and have to first start exploring and jumping to find your way. But apparently the trigger point (and therefore the official start) is the cave mouth by the vista.

I’m tempted to go and look at Morgan’s Spiral since that’s probably the most clearly defined puzzle, to find out whether you just have to stand at the base or go onto the first leaf/top of the tower where the first actual jump is.

Monthly achievement optional/ Jumping puzzles are optional..I dont see the issue

Rake.7169:

Peetee.9406:

Lol I have not finished my monthly since October. Always stuck at 92% and 0/7 fractals.

this
as several posts explained, it’s very easy to do this monthly.
heck those 3 in LA plus entering winter wonderland and the one on EB – thats about 5min and 5 done, bit more if you jump them…
best monthly idea so far but the execution lacks, they obviously didn’t have the balls to count finished ones only. still easy to do, 4 of the 5 take 10min combined to finish, EB might feature a helping mesmer to short cut).

but THX ALOT for insisting I’d run that powercreep/geargrind BS fractals.
why bother setting all dungeons as sub-monthly.
seems like the quoted post says, 92% again xD

this & this

I may be weird but I do not enjoy fractals much. Tried a few and decided it is not thing for me. Now, even if I wanted to do them I am level 2 or 3 so basically no chance to get a group. This is not a whine, if I wanted I could be level 12 or so by now but I chose not to do the fractals.

Second month in a row I won’t do monthly just because ANet thinks fractals are awesome.

Fractals actually take relatively little time and are pretty fun. I pug them, and have had minimal issues. Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky with pugs.

I don’t even…

“Im a gatherer-crafter, I shouldn’t be railroaded into kills.”
“I hate events, I only do dungeons. I shouldn’t be railroaded into events”
“I hate dungeons, I only do events. I shouldnt be railroaded into dungeons.”

Sometimes I think the only way for ANet to dodge some of you people is to make the monthly achievement 50 login attempts.

Have done them all prior to the january monthly. So unless, that counts or they throw in 30 new ones, I am not going to get it.
Where is the fun in doing them Again ?

you don’t have to do them again. You just have to go to the entrance.

what if you just visited the 3 jump puzzles in LA ONCE every day? does that count? the same easy 3 puzzles to discover/access over 10 days might make it go faster. haven’t tried it yet, just a thought.

LFk.1408:

I don’t even…

“Im a gatherer-crafter, I shouldn’t be railroaded into kills.”
“I hate events, I only do dungeons. I shouldn’t be railroaded into events”
“I hate dungeons, I only do events. I shouldnt be railroaded into dungeons.”

Sometimes I think the only way for ANet to dodge some of you people is to make the monthly achievement 50 login attempts.

They’re supposed to be breaking the mold with this MMO. For Hearts, we have a choice of what to do. Why not with a monthly achievement. Why not pick any 5 different hard to achieve objectives out of a possible 7? No one is asking for it on a silver platter, just having some hated activities removed.

Cheers.

Bartas.4908:

Rake.7169:

Peetee.9406:

Lol I have not finished my monthly since October. Always stuck at 92% and 0/7 fractals.

this
as several posts explained, it’s very easy to do this monthly.
heck those 3 in LA plus entering winter wonderland and the one on EB – thats about 5min and 5 done, bit more if you jump them…
best monthly idea so far but the execution lacks, they obviously didn’t have the balls to count finished ones only. still easy to do, 4 of the 5 take 10min combined to finish, EB might feature a helping mesmer to short cut).

but THX ALOT for insisting I’d run that powercreep/geargrind BS fractals.
why bother setting all dungeons as sub-monthly.
seems like the quoted post says, 92% again xD

this & this

I may be weird but I do not enjoy fractals much. Tried a few and decided it is not thing for me. Now, even if I wanted to do them I am level 2 or 3 so basically no chance to get a group. This is not a whine, if I wanted I could be level 12 or so by now but I chose not to do the fractals.

Second month in a row I won’t do monthly just because ANet thinks fractals are awesome.

http://gw2lfg.com/ > “Frac” in searc, set level from 1 to 3.
I see 19 different submissions for fractals 1 to 3 all within minutes of each other.
Fractals are the easiest part of the monthly, I don’t see why people complain. You don’t have to do fractals from 1 to 10, you don’t even need to focus on ascended stuff. Just do FotM 1 and 2 and you’re done with it and probably come out walking with some rares from it as well.

I’m more annoyed with the WvW one, which has been there for every non-holiday month. My computer simply cannot handle WvW very well. It’s a pain in the butt trying to get that achievement for the monthly.

Lankybrit.4598:

LFk.1408:

I don’t even…

“Im a gatherer-crafter, I shouldn’t be railroaded into kills.”
“I hate events, I only do dungeons. I shouldn’t be railroaded into events”
“I hate dungeons, I only do events. I shouldnt be railroaded into dungeons.”

Sometimes I think the only way for ANet to dodge some of you people is to make the monthly achievement 50 login attempts.

They’re supposed to be breaking the mold with this MMO. For Hearts, we have a choice of what to do. Why not with a monthly achievement. Why not pick any 5 different hard to achieve objectives out of a possible 7? No one is asking for it on a silver platter, just having some hated activities removed.

Cheers.

You’re probably right. The achievements should work that way to give players more viable options.

Now, in the mean time, I’m more than sure Anet is doing achievements this way as a means to promote various aspects of the game. Anet wants you to go out and experience various contents.

Yeah I think this is annoying, they’re probably trying to make people go out there and do them that wouldn’t normally want to do them. I hope they stop worrying about adding jump puzzles and focus on building new areas to explore etc.

I see that FotM and WvW are in the monthlies again. That’s 3 months running for FotM and since launch for WvW. I lost interest at that point. While ommv, my interests do not include the horribly designed, unfun mess that is WvW. If the fights were balanced in numbers like GW1 Alliance Battles, I’d be in favor. As is, with obscene differences in numbers possible, not so much.

Bursts.1540:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

I dont do fractals and WvWvW. I just think forcing people to do JP so late is stupid. I find it especially stupid that they dont even have to do the puzzle, just visit it.

Since when do they force you to do anything? If you think it’s stupid then why do it? But for some reason with all this complaining and saying its stupid, I bet you end up doing it anyways.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

Read my previous post! I hate it because its easy. I don’t want easy. That’s why its worse. Because its exploitable! Why else am i complaining. Telling me its the easiest because you exploit it doesn’t prove anything except how bad it is.

You hate things cause they are easy? Because they are exploitable? then don’t exploit and do it the hard way, problem solved. Complete the 30 JP, challenge yourself for once, don’t make someone else challenge you.

I havent done any monthly since September. Since they included dungeons. I clearly stated i have never done fractals. Dont make assumptions about people and their motivations to do anything. I do partake in the daily achievements because they can be obtained spontaneously via leveling alts. I’m arguing JP puzzle is redundant because of how and when its implemented.

Again you make assumptions. The problem here is exploitable achievements/events/dungeons is a huge problem with this game. Forcing players to exploit or suffer is worse. Dont tell me that the developers did not expect players to relog LA over and over again. What about the obvious shortcuts in all dungeons. (a recent change in HotW made Aldus very hard to kill (but exploitable) but made the Butcher unable to attack players with an exploit).

I dont hate the game. I am trying to prevent the game from going down hill. You are telling people its OK because you can cheat/exploit to get around it. I didn’t realize i got a hobby so i can cheat at it.

Zeldain.5710:

Monthly achievements are optional I hear.

Stop trying to use logic. it’s all about people’s “right” to have everything at all times!

Zanshin.5379:

Yargesh.4965:

Finding 30 jumping puzzles is not too hard.

What if you’ve already done all the puzzles?
You’re forced to create a new character just to do the monthly…

Try doing some research before you post your assumptions. You are 100% wrong.

DancingPenguins.9875:

Because it costs money. Travelling everywhere. Why can’t it just be something that makes money like 30 completed dungeons or sell 30 exotic items on the TP?

Last I checked, porting to WvW was free, and they have 4 jump puzzles. Just do that every day (on the same character). You have to be there anyways for the 50 kills…

This took me and a few friends about an hour and 30 mins if that to get all 30. You don’t need to do the puzzels (though we were with some of them), you just have to get to the start of it. YOU ARE NOT EVEN FORCED TO DO IT. I’m sure thats already metioned several times in this thread but just in case.

But ya 1 hour and 30 mins for one quarter of the monthly done, pretty easy.

Arenanet shouldn’t have to pick and choose the content for the monthly based off of half the content in the game. And people shouldn’t be posting ridiculous threads about not wanting to play content that doesn’t have a carrot attached to it.

Its like playing a game that has 7 levels to it and because you can’t beat level seven you you say the end of the game should be level six. Its pathetic.

Arenanet didn’t put all this time into developing this content for people to not play it. Suck it up buttercup

would do 100 JP’s over 7 fractals. simply because i don’t get booted from fractals and can’t get back in. because i don’t have to spend periods of extended time finding a group to do them with.

when the next big patch that addresses these fundamental fractals issues then i wouldn’t mind so much.

and sure, everyone enjoys one thing more than the other. some fracs >>> jp’s. others jp’s >>> fracs. i enjoy both, and while the jp can be “exploited” and thus, taking away the “enjoyment” for many, you don’t have to do it the same way other people do. i’ve mentioned this elsewhere, you can take wagers and race your friends in guilds. make it interesting if they are that unbearable. people will think fractals are unbearable. if you choose to do the monthly, then you should just do ‘em. and try to enjoy yourself along the way. if they are in fact not enjoyable, and you still feel compelled to do them, well, i want to say you don’t get to “complain”.

You don’t have to complete the puzzles. You only have to get halfway through them.

akamon.2769:

would do 100 JP’s over 7 fractals. simply because i don’t get booted from fractals and can’t get back in. because i don’t have to spend periods of extended time finding a group to do them with.

when the next big patch that addresses these fundamental fractals issues then i wouldn’t mind so much.

and sure, everyone enjoys one thing more than the other. some fracs >>> jp’s. others jp’s >>> fracs. i enjoy both, and while the jp can be “exploited” and thus, taking away the “enjoyment” for many, you don’t have to do it the same way other people do. i’ve mentioned this elsewhere, you can take wagers and race your friends in guilds. make it interesting if they are that unbearable. people will think fractals are unbearable. if you choose to do the monthly, then you should just do ‘em. and try to enjoy yourself along the way. if they are in fact not enjoyable, and you still feel compelled to do them, well, i want to say you don’t get to “complain”.

I’ve run dozens of fractals over the past couple weeks. Of all those fractals I’ve maybe had a disconnect be an issues…three times? Maybe two?

It’s not the overblown problem people make it out to be.

Orion the Cursed.1206

I dont hate the game. I am trying to prevent the game from going down hill. You are telling people its OK because you can cheat/exploit to get around it. I didn’t realize i got a hobby so i can cheat at it.

Prevint it from going down hill? They drove this game off a cliff months ago. I’m just hoping they put a kitten parachute on it before it’s too late!

I’m bothered by the fact that there is already a PvP monthly, yet no PvE monthly. Since I do not like doing PvP, I am already out of luck in getting the Monthly achievement since it always includes PvP achievement. They really need to take out the PvP requirement in the Monthly achievement.

BTW: I did a few Jumping puzzles last night, but my Monthly still says 0/10. What on earth is going on?

Cheers.

Bensozia.8071:

Appears that you may have to do a portion of the puzzle to get credit.
Note last item about trigger point.
The newest update on wiki about jumping puzzles:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

“You “discover” a jumping puzzle by reaching a trigger point on the path to the end-chest for the achievement. You do not need to discover 30 unique jumping puzzles.

• You can get credit for the same puzzle on multiple characters and for the same server on different shards, i.e. in multiple overflows as well as your home world.
  * You can discover a jumping puzzle even if you discovered and/or completed it before.
  * The trigger point can be near the end chest, at the entrance of the puzzle area, or anywhere in between."

Not so sure this multiple discoveries isnt an exploit. I know you can get ALOT of discoveries at the LA one, with all the overflows, I havent thus far because I dont want to get banned.

Hickeroar.9734:

akamon.2769:

would do 100 JP’s over 7 fractals. simply because i don’t get booted from fractals and can’t get back in. because i don’t have to spend periods of extended time finding a group to do them with.

when the next big patch that addresses these fundamental fractals issues then i wouldn’t mind so much.

and sure, everyone enjoys one thing more than the other. some fracs >>> jp’s. others jp’s >>> fracs. i enjoy both, and while the jp can be “exploited” and thus, taking away the “enjoyment” for many, you don’t have to do it the same way other people do. i’ve mentioned this elsewhere, you can take wagers and race your friends in guilds. make it interesting if they are that unbearable. people will think fractals are unbearable. if you choose to do the monthly, then you should just do ‘em. and try to enjoy yourself along the way. if they are in fact not enjoyable, and you still feel compelled to do them, well, i want to say you don’t get to “complain”.

I’ve run dozens of fractals over the past couple weeks. Of all those fractals I’ve maybe had a disconnect be an issues…three times? Maybe two?

It’s not the overblown problem people make it out to be.

That issue has yet to happen to me.

Am I really reading that someone is upset that achieving something is too hard to achieve, for an optional monthly quest?

visiting 30 jp is way more fun than 7 fractals with my finnicky connection :/

I heard in Febuary ANET is going to impliment the following for monthly achievements, to address the concerns of its playerbase…

Achievement One: Log in 30 times.
Achievement Two: Log out 30 times.
Achievement Three: Post 30 complaints onto the forums about achievement One and Two.

I just hope fractals will be receiving these updates they have been talking about before this monthly ends.

critickitten.1498:

Mechanix.5719:

why so much hate for the Jps they are fun and easy

Because the core argument in favor of jumping puzzles to date was that they were entirely optional.

Now they’re required as part of the monthly achievements for January.

It’s easy to argue that those achievements are optional, of course, but for more casual players, those achievements are one of the few ways they can keep up with the more regular players in terms of obtaining karma and tokens for forging.

Really, I’m much more bothered by the fact that Fractals is still required. It made sense being there in November, but this is January now. And Fractals was a huge part of the update that made many people quit this game. The devs should know by now that even the people who like Fractals aren’t keen on being forced to keep running it for monthly achievement points, and those who don’t like it probably don’t like being reminded about it every month.

Seriously. Don’t force players to run Fractals if they don’t want to.

I’ll take fractals and JP’s every month over being forced to do WvW to complete monthlies. I actually haven’t finished monthlies for the past 2 because of that.

JP Montlhy took me 30min to achieve if you just know the way to do it!

Seriously? People are complaining that monthlies force them to do specific tasks that they don’t want to do? So the monthly should just be a daily… just more kills, gathers, etc… Monthlies don’t give you super loot anyways, it’s optional… Having something different is a really good feature! I was running jumping puzzles with my guildies. Takes 1 hour to finish 30 jps (If you just visit them, not complete them. I completed them anyways so it took longer). Takes a couple hours for 7 fractals. That’s easy, 1 day or a couple of days for casual players. 50 WvW kills… did it in 20 minutes, just joined a random group and killed 50 people. Now only the events are the time consuming one. So a monthly that’s meant for 30 days can be completed in 2-3 days.

You people always have something to complain about. Anet gives you too much freedom, that’s a problem. If they restrict an OPTIONAL feature, that’s a problem. Anything that irritates you slightly, you rush to the forums to vent your frustrations. How about some of you give a plausible solution to monthlies instead of just kittening about them? Or just don’t do them? Do something else that you find enjoyable -_-

New Character Yo.6487:

Seriously? People are complaining that monthlies force them to do specific tasks that they don’t want to do? So the monthly should just be a daily… just more kills, gathers, etc… Monthlies don’t give you super loot anyways, it’s optional…

Already dismissed the whole “optional” argument about a thousand times so I won’t do it again.

As for the “it doesn’t give very good loot” bit:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

Completing all tiers of all monthly achievements awards extra 3% experience, coins, 20 Mystic Coins, and 10 Jugs of Liquid Karma.

For those who do a lot of crafting or are seeking to obtain their legendaries, those rewards may not be essential but they can be helpful.

critickitten.1498:

New Character Yo.6487:

Seriously? People are complaining that monthlies force them to do specific tasks that they don’t want to do? So the monthly should just be a daily… just more kills, gathers, etc… Monthlies don’t give you super loot anyways, it’s optional…

Already dismissed the whole “optional” argument about a thousand times so I won’t do it again.

As for the “it doesn’t give very good loot” bit:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monthly

Completing all tiers of all monthly achievements awards extra 3% experience, coins, 20 Mystic Coins, and 10 Jugs of Liquid Karma.

For those who do a lot of crafting or are seeking to obtain their legendaries, those rewards may not be essential but they can be helpful.

Yeah, I was venting because I was scrolling through the forums and only about 1% of posts are positive. Most of the negative ones are very trivial, including this one (The last straw haha). The thing is, Anet might not add the best objectives to parts of the game like monthlies, but honestly, even if they were simple tasks like the dailies, people would complain because they are too easy and boring (always something wrong). Most complaints are completely self entitled and no solution is given. So basically my rant was kind of off the specific topic, but is just my personal opinion full of emotion and no logic. Enjoy the game… why play if you are just frustrating yourself?

I did a dozen or so of the jp’s all the way and then saw that it counted for just walking in at the start of them. the easiest way to complete this is to go into LA and just walk into the start of the 3 jp’s in there. just go do them on all your toon’s and you’ll be close to done then wait for them to reset and repeat.

Serious question:
Is doing the JP part of the monthly via the LA overflow method considered an exploit?

Orion the Cursed.1206:

And then screw them for not being able to do fractals/ going in WvWvW without Lv 80 gear? By your logic why didn’t they implement this on the first month?

Do I really need to mention how many times Anet has changed things that weren’t the way they were before? Do I REALLY need to explain how such a thing comes about?

critickitten.1498:

Mechanix.5719:

why so much hate for the Jps they are fun and easy

Because the core argument in favor of jumping puzzles to date was that they were entirely optional.

Now they’re required as part of the monthly achievements for January.

It’s easy to argue that those achievements are optional, of course, but for more casual players, those achievements are one of the few ways they can keep up with the more regular players in terms of obtaining karma and tokens for forging.

Really, I’m much more bothered by the fact that Fractals is still required. It made sense being there in November, but this is January now. And Fractals was a huge part of the update that made many people quit this game. The devs should know by now that even the people who like Fractals aren’t keen on being forced to keep running it for monthly achievement points, and those who don’t like it probably don’t like being reminded about it every month.

Seriously. Don’t force players to run Fractals if they don’t want to.

There is no “force” at all and they ARE COMPLETELY OPTIONAL! I’m not going to stress that enough, but they are.

I never completed December’s Monthly Achievement. Why? Because I never got around doing the Fractals. I’ve done Fractals when the launched, quite a few…but I’m done with the dungeon scene for now. I love the game’s mini-games, it’s Jumping puzzles, sPvP, and mostly the WvWvW. Because of all this factored in, I just didn’t get the achievement and didn’t get a reward.

~~~ End of the world? No, not even close. Because it’s an optional thing that can or cannot be done. If you don’t want to do it, simply don’t. It’s so simple that even a 45yr old that cannot complete 6th grade can understand (I’m looking at you, Billy Madison).

I am tired of the fractals already. Please enough is enough I get the same 3 dungeons over and over. I also think the WvW should have it own tab like the PvP. I use the wiki to find all the jump puzzles. I am doing them with my husband and for some reason he has 1 more then me and we have been to the exact same ones.