Guild Wars 2

…Due To Rising Player Population.

On a megaserver…

Will I ever see my mini pets again now that we’re forced into higher population situations?

Yes, kinda annoying. Not sure what’s going on with that, because I got the little message to switch servers because I was in a low population map that would close in one hour but still couldn’t bring out mini’s due to high player population.

Hope they work this out.

naujocks.2319:

Hope they work this out.

Sadly, I don’t think there’s anything to work out. That message never existed before. I’ve never seen it. That message is new, and I fear, was really what this whole thing was about, from the bottom up.

What is the motivation to spend 400G on a pet if Skippington VonMcPerson can walk into the zone and force it to go away?

There always seems to be that thing. That one thing that isn’t mentioned in the stream, or the developer blog, that makes the thing that they were selling to us as this awesome new thing … not so much.

So the pet wardrobe, the UI, all that was just so you could make a performance improvement that consisted of hiding the pets when things get crowded? That was the thing?

It’s like the wardrobe change, which yes, brought some neat functionality, but what it really did was:

1. Allow for the the use of solid body pieces that take you, for arguments sake, 30% or less of the labor hours of previous pieces, since you don’t have to worry about how they interact with other pieces, but you can still sell them for the same amount (or more).

2. Since the solid body pieces can be used in combat, these can serve as new armor skin/types, and you don’t have to design any new armor pieces.

3. Allow you to cull any previous clothing pieces that aren’t healthy or appropriate from existence.

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

Its kinda disappointing. Only noticed it after account binding my whole collection of thousands of gold worth of minis (only missing lama and monkey king)

Culling with Minis works like any other culling in the game you can see your own, so calm down.

Mine disappears, but I digress.

Culling ‘should’ work as follows:

If Player M makes the culling cut for Player A, and is now seen by Player A, then Player M’s mini-pet should also be seen by Player A, if Player M has a mini-pet active.

Does it work like that?

If it doesn’t, then it’s really a problem. A mini-pet is like a sword skin, armor skin or any other thing we put on our character. It’s there because we enjoy to look at it, and it’s also an extension of how we want to represent that particular character to the rest of the game world.

If it doesn’t work like that, the great irony would be how such great emphasis is put on what you want to spend money on and acquire are ‘skins’, things that you can show to the rest of the world. A mini-pet falls into that category, and to then take that away, would be the same as making it so you never seen anyone’s custom skins, everyone wears the same armor, and then what would be the point?

Now, if culling does work like that (i.e., a player’s awareness to another includes their mini-pet just as it would any of the rest of their custom appearance), then I digress.

Side note: I do notice that my Plush Griffon disappears when that messages comes up. I have to switch to another pet and then back to it for it to show. Now, on a plus side, it appears pets that can’t swim re-appear when you get out of the water, but I’m confused as to why it’s randomly disappearing on land?

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

If you see them, you should see their mini. Or more accurately, if someone else materializes to you, in their actual armor and weapon skins, etc, then the mini-pet should also appear.

The mini-pet is a skin. It’s something we buy and seek out and collect just as we would a legendary skin, or a crazy helmet of awesomeness. Some of them we spend money on.

A mini-pet shouldn’t be given sub-standard priority with respect to culling behavior that any other skin gets.

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

Paradox.1380:

Culling with Minis works like any other culling in the game you can see your own, so calm down.

I haven’t been seeing mine with this message.

I can see my own mini pet next to my character on my hero window, but my mini pet disappears from the world. It does not follow me as it is hidden.

It will probably come back when I go to a lesser populated zone, until that one fills up due to megaserver technology.

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

Er no, I’m afraid you can’t. I’ve tried this across all my characters and not once did my mini-pet display.

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

Not happening here. Nothing. Changed zones and still can’t get out my mini. This needs a HotFix ASAP.

(Like I really needed another reason to dislike the MegaServer. Thpppt!)

Nice! Now if we could get the same for Vanity Plates.

mine also gets hidden when this message pops up, and no amount of taking it off and putting it back on again would make it reappear for me.

i just want to run around with my bat, or one of my golems, because i make heavy use of them in RPland. til this is fixed minis are basically useless to anyone who hangs out in populated maps.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/mini-culling-hiding-own-mini/first#post4380612

No more minis. I have all minis and now I can’t run with any of it.

Nice TROLL AN rly nice job.

I can’t see my own minis, or anyone else’s, on any map outside of a city. Strangely they seem to work find in cities.

I assume it’s a bug and not how the system is intended to work. I can see my mini in LA (which is full of people) and WvW (likewise) but not in any explorable map, even ones where one lone person is crying out for someone to come and help them do an event.

Danikat.8537:

I can’t see my own minis, or anyone else’s, on any map outside of a city. Strangely they seem to work find in cities.

The sad thing is I bet not seeing your own is a bug. I bet not seeing someone else’s even though you now see that person and their distinct look (i.e, awesome armor, dyes, hair, eyes, back pack, legendary skin) part is not a bug, and part of their plan all along.

If you see me, you should see my mini, if I have one out. My mini should not be treated less than your Sword of a Thousand Truths. Arguments about what ascended armor really is aside, if we look at the whole “it’s not about the gear grind, it’s about the skins”, well, a mini is a skin. It’s something I work to get, or buy with money, that I enjoy seeing, and want to show off to everyone else, just as much as Captain Testosterone wants to show off his 2 handed sword that, frankly, looks more like a surf board than a sword, but to each his own.

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

I couldn’t on mine. I equipped one and got the message in chat. There wasn’t even a yellow dot to show where it would be.

Maybe there are 3 phases. One where everyone can see it, second one where only you can see it and 3rd where it’s invisible.

Why hide my mini? Hide others and make mine visible to me. The same way I can turn down the number of other player models rendered, it should hide other people’s and not mine. My char and my mini should have priority over all other player’s on my screen.

Paradox.1380:

You can see your own minipet. You won’t see other peoples. I seen my mini pet every time this message popped up.

This is untrue. I’ve gotten this message and still can’t see my mini every time, on every character that’s gotten it.

It’s always been a thing that in a full area if there’s too much going on, or if too many people have them out you can’t pull out your mini. This system, it seems you can have it “active” so if it can be shown it will, but if not then it wont. It’s better than before, but it has made things easier, so everyone has minis following them now, and now the problem is just too many, so most people won’t see theirs unless they’re somehow one of only a few people on a map.

I have just tested this in 15 different non-city zones and in every zone I couldn’t display my mini “due to rising player population”. (it wasn’t even visible for myself and for testing purposes I also increased the character limit to highest)

In the city zones I had more luck and could see my mini.

YtseJam.9784:

Why hide my mini? Hide others and make mine visible to me. The same way I can turn down the number of other player models rendered, it should hide other people’s and not mine. My char and my mini should have priority over all other player’s on my screen.

I agree, but I stand by the fact that if, all things being equal, the culling rules decided that I should see you now on the screen, the I should also see your mini, if you have one.

If because of that, the culling needs to make one or two more people close to me into ugly, generic models, then so be it. If one of those ugly generic models needs to be drawn to me, and it’s decided that you need to either become an ugly grey model, or drop out entirely, then at that point your pet goes away as well.

I should always see my pet, just as I always see my other skins (weapons, armor, back pack, hair, dyes, etc).

A mini pet is a skin, just a like a sword or armor, and should be treated as such in the culling rules. There is no reason to give Chip’s “Awesome Surfboard of You Can’t Even See Me On The Other Side of This But Trust Me I’m Here” rendering priority over Sue’s mini lion. They are both skins. They are both ‘end game’ things to be achieved (many pets are rare drops or achievements) or purchased.

Richie.1820:

I have just tested this in 15 different non-city zones and in every zone I couldn’t display my mini “due to rising player population”. (it wasn’t even visible for myself and for testing purposes I also increased the character limit to highest)

In the city zones I had more luck and could see my mini.

This is why I think it’s a bug and not how the system is intended to work.

Although I couldn’t get exact counts I’m pretty confident saying there were more people in Lion’s Arch than Lornar’s Pass, but my mini showed up no problem in LA and wouldn’t appear in Lornar’s or any other explorable map.

Whether or not you see your minipet is likely due to how your cullling is set in options.

And another thing.

This is the part where someone comes and says any of the following:

1. Keep calm, we’re looking into all of this.

2. Your pet should always be visible to you, but sorry, the double-secret hidden effect of all this is we really did just want to make a cool way to hide all your pets to help the world perform better, and yes, minis are skins in the respect that they are things you buy and want to show off, but when we made them, we never considered what a load they would put on the servers, and so now, two years later (Happy Anniversary!) we’re doing this to you. We understand this will make some of your unhappy, and therefore will allow you to refund any mini pet you ever purchased for gems, just like we let your refund khaki’s and other clothing that didn’t make the healthy and appropriate cut.

And then we’ll know, right now, how much of this is bug, and how much of this was intentional, and for those of us that don’t approve of your underlying goals (should they prove to be correct) can get refunds.

Vayne.8563:

Whether or not you see your minipet is likely due to how your cullling is set in options.

In my case it’s set to show the highest number of character models with high quality. (Yes my PC can handle this.) Aside from mini pets everything is working exactly as before. I still see just as many people, with detailed models and animations and they load just as quickly.

But absolutely no minis will show and if I try to get mine out I get a message that they’ve been hidden due to rising player population, even when there are very few people on the map.

Most importantly (from the perspective of determining whether this is a bug) this only happens on exporable maps. In cities, in the Heart of the Mists and in WvW they appear, even though there are a lot of people in all those places.

Danikat.8537:

Vayne.8563:

Whether or not you see your minipet is likely due to how your cullling is set in options.

In my case it’s set to show the highest number of character models with high quality. (Yes my PC can handle this.) Aside from mini pets everything is working exactly as before. I still see just as many people, with detailed models and animations and they load just as quickly ………

Same here.

First new build… THAT didn’t fix the minipet problem. (Sigh).

Typical, one step forward, two steps back. What’s the point in mini slots if you will only see them in cities?

what about the fact that the set 1 now has 54 minis total, not 55, and that you need 54 for the achievement, which means if you had Risen Priest of Balthazar for the Set 1 achievement before, you now can throw that in the trash because it doesn’t count as set 1 anymore, which means you’re forced to buy that last exotic miniature from the TP instead of using Risen Balthazar for #54…as you could before.

I think you can see your own minis if you uncheck and check the minipet display box. That could just be a statistical error on my end though with the population falling shortly after the message showed up – word from a dev would be nice.

Edit: Okay, as long as it took me to type this message, the hidden minipet notice showed up again.

Regardless of if you could see your own minipet or not, having to constantly toggle it just to see your own minipet is bullkitten – almost as annoying as the minipet taking up a valuable inventory slot.

ANet, do something about this!

Whoops. Just posted the exact same issue in Tech Support. Yeah, totally hope they fix this.

+1

In Heart of Mists, the wardrobe mini pet doesn’t appear. If you don’t bound it, and use, it appears… ;/

Yeah I think it’s the binding thing. My Mini Teq was fine before I bound it.

Not happy with this at all, what is the point in having a mini to show off, when in situations that you would want to its hidden…………….

Since this is a new “feature” (a kittenty one at that), if they don’t fix it, what a way to shoot yourself in the foot by keeping people from buying/caring to acquire any new ones since 1) we can’t see our own and 2) other people can’t show theirs off (like the ones that are quest rewards and take time and effort to achieve; e.g. Liadri, Teq, etc.).

Just seemed like a completely needless “update” to the game. If 1 in 20 people even have a mini out at any given time, was it really causing that much server lag?! Lame.

Hahahahahaha…. before the patch I thought: ’ Great, now everyone’s gonna run with a mini by their side, instead none are shown because of megaserver culling. Priceless!

How hard can it be to at least put in a “show only my pet” checkbox? No rush, but maybe in a future feature pack two years from now?

Gambit.8425:

Hahahahahaha…. before the patch I thought: ’ Great, now everyone’s gonna run with a mini by their side, instead none are shown because of megaserver culling. Priceless!

How hard can it be to at least put in a “show only my pet” checkbox? No rush, but maybe in a future feature pack two years from now?

But that’s the thing. A mini pet is a skin. It should follow the exact same rules for culling that the surf board on your back that you spent months and months building does. As soon as the culling switches you from the grey being to me seeing your armor and sword, I should see your mini, if you have one. If the culling system decides it’s not ready to show the mini, then you should remain a nameless faceless blob until it’s time.

To many people, the mini is an extension of their character that they want the rest of the world to see, just like the L33t D00dz Sw0rdz!1!1 you acquired. The system shouldn’t give preference to one skin over another.

But the sad part about all this is it’s another stealth change they were hoping not to talk about disguised as new features. If this is intentional, they should be honest and come out and say what they were really hoping to achieve, and if they have no intention of changing it so people that spent money on mini pets are treated with the same respect as people that spend money on keys to get tickets to buy weapon skins, they should allow us to get a full refund on every mini pet or pet pack we bought from the store since the beginning of the game.

Agree completely. Being that you spend time and effort achieving one, you spend real money on them, etc., it’s just ridiculous to have them be virtually always hidden unless you’re playing during low pop. times/maps.

notebene.3190:

But that’s the thing. A mini pet is a skin. It should follow the exact same rules for culling that the surf board on your back that you spent months and months building does. As soon as the culling switches you from the grey being to me seeing your armor and sword, I should see your mini, if you have one. If the culling system decides it’s not ready to show the mini, then you should remain a nameless faceless blob until it’s time.

To many people, the mini is an extension of their character that they want the rest of the world to see, just like the L33t D00dz Sw0rdz!1!1 you acquired. The system shouldn’t give preference to one skin over another.

But the sad part about all this is it’s another stealth change they were hoping not to talk about disguised as new features. If this is intentional, they should be honest and come out and say what they were really hoping to achieve, and if they have no intention of changing it so people that spent money on mini pets are treated with the same respect as people that spend money on keys to get tickets to buy weapon skins, they should allow us to get a full refund on every mini pet or pet pack we bought from the store since the beginning of the game.

You could already turn down the number of high res models before, hiding all that shiny gear I want to impress you with Pets, I guess get the lowest priority atm, personal one included.

The thing is IMO this was just another “feature” nobody asked for. Before, there were only the few avid mini pet fans who had them out. Now everyone can “fire and forget” a pet and in a zerg of 50+ that does take up resources and would look as silly as all the commander tags does now (who also need better options).

There isn’t many alternatives. Remove the checkbox for the pet so it has to be clicked every map like before or put checkboxes with “always show my pet” and/or “show only my pet”.

Man the whole new system around minis and i cant see them? That’s bs. Hide other players from my point of view instead of hiding mine. We actually pay real money to buy gems to show have minis and you hide them from us? C’mon

Gambit.8425:

notebene.3190:

But that’s the thing. A mini pet is a skin. It should follow the exact same rules for culling that the surf board on your back that you spent months and months building does. As soon as the culling switches you from the grey being to me seeing your armor and sword, I should see your mini, if you have one. If the culling system decides it’s not ready to show the mini, then you should remain a nameless faceless blob until it’s time.

To many people, the mini is an extension of their character that they want the rest of the world to see, just like the L33t D00dz Sw0rdz!1!1 you acquired. The system shouldn’t give preference to one skin over another.

But the sad part about all this is it’s another stealth change they were hoping not to talk about disguised as new features. If this is intentional, they should be honest and come out and say what they were really hoping to achieve, and if they have no intention of changing it so people that spent money on mini pets are treated with the same respect as people that spend money on keys to get tickets to buy weapon skins, they should allow us to get a full refund on every mini pet or pet pack we bought from the store since the beginning of the game.

You could already turn down the number of high res models before, hiding all that shiny gear I want to impress you with Pets, I guess get the lowest priority atm, personal one included.

The thing is IMO this was just another “feature” nobody asked for. Before, there were only the few avid mini pet fans who had them out. Now everyone can “fire and forget” a pet and in a zerg of 50+ that does take up resources and would look as silly as all the commander tags does now (who also need better options).

There isn’t many alternatives. Remove the checkbox for the pet so it has to be clicked every map like before or put checkboxes with “always show my pet” and/or “show only my pet”.

If their response after two years of having minis, and achievements, and pushing pet and pet packs in the store is really to just introduce a pet collection shared across your account system that was implemented solely to mask the desire to cull pets out in such a way that they don’t adhere to the exact same rules as an outfit, weapon or armor, then they should offer us a full refund for everything we bought from the store, just like we got when they put no effort into turning some clothing pieces they didn’t deem healthy and appropriate into the new outfit system.

If this is intentional, prioritizing minis lower in the culling algorithms, the we should be given the opportunity to determine whether they still hold the same value they once did, and if not, ask for a full refund.

Have to say, this is disappointing. After mini’s have been “improved” and made a large advertised part of the feature pack, now I can’t ever see my mini. Really?! Hotfix this or something, because as it is, it really dampens credibility given the advertisement.

Its an insult the way it is now. I only see my beloved minis if I stand around in an empty city. I demand a fix.

GamerOnline.3650:

…Due To Rising Player Population.

On a megaserver…

Will I ever see my mini pets again now that we’re forced into higher population situations?

Yes: in your home instance!

;)

Seriously, ANet. Thanks for not making my mini auto-despawn when I port to another map, but instead just not displaying it on any map ever again. I guess that solved that problem! (…)

If an entire megaserver is filled with rangers there’s no problems.

Why is there an issue with minis suddenly?

This is the Borat update: Thank you for the moniez! nyanyanyanya

Wish we knew if this was a bug that was being fixed or working as intended. If working as intended I’m not sure I’ll spend anymore gems on exclusive mini’s …. I don’t spend enough time in the cities for that.

Still not showing. Still getting that same message.