Guild Wars 2

Edit: I misinterpreted the statements.

The change:

Just to clarify, you’ll no longer be able to use waypoints when a party member is in combat inside a dungeon. This is prevent people from using waypoints to rush and kill bosses or clear areas, which is not intended game play.
All other forms of res remain unchanged.

If it’s only about resurrecting truly dead players…we usually walked when we were truly dead anyway, because reviving someone would have taken too long.

Frotee.2634:

If it’s only about resurrecting truly dead players…we usually walked when we were truly dead anyway, because reviving someone would have taken too long.

This is true, but in fractals there are no waypoints, so with this change you’ll have to wipe if a key person in your group ends up dying.

I think they mean that people won’t be able to res at way-points.

Kind of like Fractals are now, where you can’t res at the checkpoint while people are still in combat.

If you want to survive in higher lvl fractals, you pretty much have to be elitist.

TheDaiBish.9735:

I think they mean that people won’t be able to res at way-points.

Kind of like Fractals are now, where you can’t res at the checkpoint while people are still in combat.

If this is true, then I am ok with it. I just hope it isn’t the other method I assumed it was they were talking about.

TheDaiBish.9735:

I think they mean that people won’t be able to res at way-points.

Kind of like Fractals are now, where you can’t res at the checkpoint while people are still in combat.

Honestly, I always hoped this would be implemented for normal dungeons. Half the time I forget I can res when I die from a waypoint because I’m used to the whole Fractal mentality of ressing.

Stupid change imo. This is one of the things i like from this game, makes it more dynamic.

Celestea.4105:

TheDaiBish.9735:

I think they mean that people won’t be able to res at way-points.

Kind of like Fractals are now, where you can’t res at the checkpoint while people are still in combat.

If this is true, then I am ok with it. I just hope it isn’t the other method I assumed it was.

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue, and the new changes would bring existing dungeons more in line with Fractals.

Stupid change imo. This is one of the things i like from this game, makes it more dynamic.

I disagree. It just means as long as one person is up all of the time, you can just keep throwing yourself to the slaughter and win anyway.

So just don’t use pugs anymore and we’ll be fine….

no more waypoint zerg!!! finally people will need to L2P and not just die and run die and run!!!

TheDaiBish.9735:

Celestea.4105:

TheDaiBish.9735:

I think they mean that people won’t be able to res at way-points.

Kind of like Fractals are now, where you can’t res at the checkpoint while people are still in combat.

If this is true, then I am ok with it. I just hope it isn’t the other method I assumed it was.

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue, and the new changes would bring existing dungeons more in line with Fractals.

Stupid change imo. This is one of the things i like from this game, makes it more dynamic.

I disagree. It just means as long as one person is up all of the time, you can just keep throwing yourself to the slaughter and win anyway.

It also means if one person dies they get to waste their time on the floor while their group/guild/friends either take that much longer to win or take that much longer to wipe. Just replacing waypoint zerging with this isnt a solution.

umm, if you can’t wp while dead and near enemies, what do you do when the party wipes?
and even if it wasn’t a wipe: won’t this make CoF path 2 nearly impossible? (where the accepted method of keeping magg alive is to take turns kite/die/kite/die/kite

Don’t worry tho, Orb of Resurrection will still work.

Just another clever ploy to monetize on gem store items!!

Mystic.5934:

umm, if you can’t wp while dead and near enemies, what do you do when the party wipes?
and even if it wasn’t a wipe: won’t this make CoF path 2 nearly impossible? (where the accepted method of keeping magg alive is to take turns kite/die/kite/die/kite

they’ve also included in their live-stream answers that they’ll be lowering the difficulty of dungeons in order to balance out some extreme difficult from these explorable dungeons! so no need to worry man because they know that certain dungeons currently requires ress tactics.

EDIT: IMO I think they’ll be revamping difficulty levels for every single EXP dungeon parts that requires ress to complete. Or else it wouldn’t make sense.

Koga.7215:

no more waypoint zerg!!! finally people will need to L2P and not just die and run die and run!!!

I’m all up for this! My friend who’s a WoW dungeon junkie abhorred the idea of waypoint ressing, stating it was too zergy… and expensive for armor repairs.

EverythingXen.1835:

It also means if one person dies they get to waste their time on the floor while their group/guild/friends either take that much longer to win or take that much longer to wipe. Just replacing waypoint zerging with this isnt a solution.

You can go Down 4 times before instantly being Defeated. Each time you go Down you incur 1min of DP, which reduced Downed health by 25%. After a minute, the DP disappears. So it’s not like you are instantly dead.

I’d argue getting rid of that will encourage MORE teamwork to try and keep each other alive / in the game.

I’m not ok with no longer being able to res at waypoints in dungeons Just draws everything out, and – more to the point – having to walk through the whole dungeon again because you missed one dodge is boring and annoying as hell.

PowerCat.5738:

Don’t worry tho, Orb of Resurrection will still work.

Just another clever ploy to monetize on gem store items!!

“Using this item causes a ghost to appear and revive you. You will be crippled and have one health after revival.”

Yup. Incredibly useful.

Frotee.2634:

I’m not ok with no longer being able to res at waypoints in dungeons Just draws everything out, and – more to the point – having to walk through the whole dungeon again because you missed one dodge is boring and annoying as hell.

You’d have to miss 4 dodges

Some people may really like this change. But I can promise this change alone is going cause some insane drama, you watch , the first day this goes into play these forums are going to blow up with raging people. I’m all for this change myself, simply because I’m in a great guild with people who all know how to play, and all use voice. But for the masses, this is going to upset thousands of players.

TheDaiBish.9735:

EverythingXen.1835:

It also means if one person dies they get to waste their time on the floor while their group/guild/friends either take that much longer to win or take that much longer to wipe. Just replacing waypoint zerging with this isnt a solution.

You can go Down 4 times before instantly being Defeated. Each time you go Down you incur 1min of DP, which reduced Downed health by 25%. After a minute, the DP disappears. So it’s not like you are instantly dead.

I’d argue getting rid of that will encourage MORE teamwork to try and keep each other alive / in the game.

You overestimate my friends gaming abilities.

They also said they would adjust some dungeon content to take this into consideration, I would guess this includes CoF p2.

EverythingXen.1835:

TheDaiBish.9735:

EverythingXen.1835:

It also means if one person dies they get to waste their time on the floor while their group/guild/friends either take that much longer to win or take that much longer to wipe. Just replacing waypoint zerging with this isnt a solution.

You can go Down 4 times before instantly being Defeated. Each time you go Down you incur 1min of DP, which reduced Downed health by 25%. After a minute, the DP disappears. So it’s not like you are instantly dead.

I’d argue getting rid of that will encourage MORE teamwork to try and keep each other alive / in the game.

You overestimate my friends gaming abilities.

Ya, my mate is not going to be happy. We’ve even given him his own “Owned Count”.

I’d argue it’s a good thing though, since it forces you to improve, work as a team ect, instead of patting you on the back even if you played abysmally (i.e. You started the fight in full armour and by the end you’re naked).

This is a big stupid change if it is only to prevent WP zergs, rather disable WP while fighting a boss, seriously, even in WoW you could ress people in combat, you dont need to take this out. It will just increase stress of people trying to run dungeons with pugs since they have a life and no time to make in game friends / guilds.

Spectral.5980:

Some people may really like this change. But I can promise this change alone is going cause some insane drama, you watch , the first day this goes into play these forums are going to blow up with raging people. I’m all for this change myself, simply because I’m in a great guild with people who all know how to play, and all use voice. But for the masses, this is going to upset thousands of players.

Yup, you’re totally right.
Now I see that I’ll have to get two more people atleast to always run with… PuG’ing will become a lot more frustrating than it already can be.
Sometimes me and my friend get some good guys going on and it’s simply a blast because everyone knows what they are doing… But that’s not the way it goes more frequently.

I’m pretty sure the change only means Waypoint Resses, which I think is fine.

Oh boy, all of sudden all but a handful of players will no longer be able to complete dungeons. This will definitely turn out very well.

For those complaining:

Philosophy on the dungeon

• Multiple phase change for the dungeons – first build – remove the idea of rez rushing (i.e. only way to beat some of the difficult encounters at the moment is to have dead players run back from nearby waypoints while players that are alive kite the mobs)

• You can no longer able to rez (I think he meant waypoint here) if someone in dungeon is in combat

• We are nerfing some of the encounters that are a bit more challenging

• Phase 2 – go back and look at some of the encounters – retune and increase difficulty if necessary.

• New rewards (no details)

TheDaiBish.9735:

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue,

An issue for whom? This is PvE how can it be an issue except for more uncompromising players.

PowerCat.5738:

Don’t worry tho, Orb of Resurrection will still work.

Just another clever ploy to monetize on gem store items!!

Interesting point.

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue,

An issue for whom? This is PvE how can it be an issue except for more uncompromising players.

“only way to beat some of the difficult encounters at the moment is to have dead players run back from nearby waypoints while players that are alive kite the mobs)”

That’s the issue.

this will cause some major griefing, pug’ing will be quite the headache and unless theynerf the kitten out of the dungeons, those poor non lvl 80’s won’t see the inside of a instance for a while. there is no tank or healers in this game. having a “forced wipe” machanic if one or 2 ppl go down has no place here. i cant aggro a boss pounding my dps in the face… BUNKER BUILDS FOR EVERYONE!!! winning!

side note: i avoid FotM like the plague making reg instances mimic them is a no no for those who are like minded.

If its going to be same like in fractals than i am fine with it. I kind of expected this change.

Vol.5241:

If you want to survive in higher lvl fractals, you pretty much have to be elitist.

Disagree-you can be a great player for any content without the attitude and “gear requirements.” All that is required is practice and acquired skill over time. Surely some guild players play high-level fractals without the snobbery, taking their time, and for the sheer fun of it.

Though I admit that elitists should play with elitists, because they are made for each other, for better or worse. I can’t stand the type, because they tend to be arrogant (their trademark for the most part), bossy, intolerant, and domineering for the sakes of being “efficient”, running things as fast as possible, and playing the game the “right” way (their one, “experienced” way, of course.) Thus, I am not a good match for “elite” groups, regardless my actual playing skill is “elite” or otherwise (I don’t care… not missing out at all, because I hate bad attitudes with a passion.)

I like playing like an elite, but never acting like one. People should have fun and play whichever way is most comfortable and efficient for themselves, not just sticking to an “established meta” way of doing things. One can play really well and know the game content upside down, but also do so with respect for others as well (being “good” at the game doesn’t give anyone the right to disparage the “non elite” playing skill of others.)

I hate the terms “deadweight”, “being slowed down by…”, etc. Have fun, and let others have fun too.

(To be honest, most great players aren’t “elite” like what I mentioned, and keep their mastery of the game and opinions for themselves, rather than pushing their “one and only” playstyle to others. They can do any game’s content without whining that others slow them down or “can’t keep up” with them. In short, you don’t have to be a jerk to others to be a great player at GW2.)

I honestly mean no offense to anyone. Carry on playing as you wish, but be aware that not everybody enjoys “the elitist way”, and that’s OK too.

I just hope they apply the “no resurrections in combat” model to WvW as well.

A return to GW1’s system to prevent one party member stopping bosses from regenerating while the rest of the party rushes back.

I see this making the game more fun on the long run, though with a beginning learning curve for many. I do hope they turn it down a notch on the one hit KOs/almost unfair mechanics in a few places, though. It will indeed be more familiar with the earlier GW1 system, or at least I hope it enhances tactical play.

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue,

An issue for whom? This is PvE how can it be an issue except for more uncompromising players.

“only way to beat some of the difficult encounters at the moment is to have dead players run back from nearby waypoints while players that are alive kite the mobs)”

That’s the issue.

Really so what, if a group wants to do that who does it hurt?

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue,

An issue for whom? This is PvE how can it be an issue except for more uncompromising players.

“only way to beat some of the difficult encounters at the moment is to have dead players run back from nearby waypoints while players that are alive kite the mobs)”

That’s the issue.

Really so what, if a group wants to do that who does it hurt?

It’s just plain poor game design, getting rewarded for playing poorly. It just brings the game down.

You’re not catering to ‘casuals’ then, you’re catering to ‘entitled’ gamers who think that they have the right to complete the dungeon, regardless of how poorly they play.

So I guess they’re wanting to sell more revive orbs.

Athena.3579:

So I guess they’re wanting to sell more revive orbs.

If they’re that concerned about it then yes they should get rid of revive orbs.

First week in Cof p2 when this comes will be hilarious.

u know i disliked the feature about not able to res in fractals and now this getting implemented to all dungeons is a terrible idea, this is more of punishing players than actually improving anything.

terrible idea….

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

morrolan.9608:

TheDaiBish.9735:

The only reason I assume this though is because he specifically mentioned waypoint zerging to be an issue,

An issue for whom? This is PvE how can it be an issue except for more uncompromising players.

“only way to beat some of the difficult encounters at the moment is to have dead players run back from nearby waypoints while players that are alive kite the mobs)”

That’s the issue.

Really so what, if a group wants to do that who does it hurt?

It’s just plain poor game design, getting rewarded for playing poorly. It just brings the game down.

You’re not catering to ‘casuals’ then, you’re catering to ‘entitled’ gamers who think that they have the right to complete the dungeon, regardless of how poorly they play.

So the story mode dungeons are only to be played by elite players and only in the prescribed way? LOL.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Just to clarify, you’ll no longer be able to use waypoints when a party member is in combat inside a dungeon. This is prevent people from using waypoints to rush and kill bosses or clear areas, which is not intended game play.

All other forms of res remain unchanged.

Are you confirming that we can resurrect a fully dead team mate, at any time?

Are you also suggesting that this will make it that if one person dies in an encouter, they cannot WP to resurrect? The only way is to use the orb or get rezzed?

ZilentNight.5089:

this is more of punishing players than actually improving anything.

Nope. It punishes bad players who don’t work together.

Is Colin serious? Okay, well. One more reason to not bring PUGs along.

TheDaiBish.9735:

ZilentNight.5089:

this is more of punishing players than actually improving anything.

Nope. It punishes bad players who don’t work together.

Bad players are already punished as their gear gets damaged and they pay some money to repair.
The players who stayed alive and now at a disadvantage and trying to stay alive to hold agro might not have enough damage to kill the boss in a timely manner.

So now you are punishing the entire team since 1 guy died, now that is called a terrible idea.
This game is about team play yes, but if one guy is bad in your team that gets killed during a boss fight then ur penalising the entire team..

this will only punish lower lvl players noone will take them to dungeon… only 80s with full exo

it is now for some dungeons and it will be worse… new players will have bad position

Cina Reas.6938:

So the story mode dungeons are only to be played by elite players and only in the prescribed way? LOL.

Let’s put it this way:

You got an exam.

No matter how badly you do in that exam, you’ll still pass anyway. How is that a good test of your knowledge?

It’s the same with dungeons: They’re a test of skill. If you can just keep running to your death and still get your reward (“passing the test”), how is that good design.

As I said previously, you aren’t catering to casual players, you’re catering to the entitled who think it’s their God-given right that they should be rewarded.