Guild Wars 2

Now trolls and spies can infinitely destroy ennemy servers if they wish… hope they can’t see tags, place siege and launch upgrades in WvW. Otherwise Anet is making a giant mistake here.
Or just place them on 3 f2p servers that fight each other.

Zaron.1987:

Near.7439:

Zaron.1987:

Kidel.2057:

Gw2 was 5$ at january.

no

maybe on an illegal key seller platform

sale was 10$!

next will come and say
"it was in sale for 5 cent in january . "

5 minutes later next one:

“no you even got 20$ if you paid it!!”

Bots in WoW and FFXIV pay monthly subs for that kitten. Do you really think a mere 10$ was going to stop them here? Guess what, the answer is no. Anet’s anti botting net is what stops them. Now on top of their anti botting technology they’re restricting free player’s gaming experience into oblivion to keep the game pristine. Come back with a better argument.

Just read again dude

now you can test until you got the perfect bot that perfect bypass the anti bot system

cause if anet ban you 100 times it doesnt matter—> just creat a new one for free

maybe with the 101th try you got the perfect bot that the system can detect

-> win

with 10$ noone would test this!

I don’t know enough about botting to argue with you. I’m just going to have to defer to the devs’ judgement on this one and trust them. They have been stressing in several posts that they are paying close attention to the transfer of wealth. They wont even allow paying players to sell more than a few items at a time on the TP, do you really think they’re not going to notice a newly upgraded free account transferring thousands of gold or large sums of materials?

Forgive me if this has been asked/answered and I missed the topic but is guild chat able to be used by the f2p version of GW2?

The reason I asked was I wasn’t sure if they could join guilds or even be able to use the guild chat feature.

Yes they can join guild as well as using chat.

BrotherBelial.3094:

zaced.7948:

best move anet made for quite some time. pvp should have been f2p from the beginning. get real guys.
your salt is my sugar.

Why should PvP be free to play? I’m curious as to why you think this?

Because Eports is somehow best sports, PvE is not worth a dime to the PvP gamer(they of course never play it…), so it should be free. I guess. Or maybe becauee LoL is free, and what is good for LoL, MUST be good for any other game, or any other endeavor in general.^^

that $40 costume and a merchant item is such good compensation I feel so rewarded for buying the game……………. i hope i get some potions next chest fulfill my entire life.

TJgalon.5012:

Zaron.1987:

Near.7439:

Zaron.1987:

Kidel.2057:

Gw2 was 5$ at january.

no

maybe on an illegal key seller platform

sale was 10$!

next will come and say
"it was in sale for 5 cent in january . "

5 minutes later next one:

“no you even got 20$ if you paid it!!”

Bots in WoW and FFXIV pay monthly subs for that kitten. Do you really think a mere 10$ was going to stop them here? Guess what, the answer is no. Anet’s anti botting net is what stops them. Now on top of their anti botting technology they’re restricting free player’s gaming experience into oblivion to keep the game pristine. Come back with a better argument.

Just read again dude

now you can test until you got the perfect bot that perfect bypass the anti bot system

cause if anet ban you 100 times it doesnt matter—> just creat a new one for free

maybe with the 101th try you got the perfect bot that the system can detect

-> win

with 10$ noone would test this!

Except then it gets harder to do anything since your Ip will likely be ban.

VPN

Don’t think that GW2 PvP has anything to do with esports, and it’s good like that

I don’t like f2p and all the stuff it brings. And I’ve played my fair share of f2p asian grinders. I would prefer a monthly fee actually. Yet another game that care more about the cash shop than the game itself. It’s just sad.

But you see that F2P is not actually the whole game, but rather like a teaser?

What some one said i think works well its not F2P its play for free. If it was F2P then every account would be the same level but becuse there are limitations its more of a play for free (with limitations) and still B2P for HoT.

The tears are delicious.

My suggestion is that F2P players should get login rewards once they complete their dailies.

I know a lot of people don’t agree with it, but I really want F2P players to have access to laurels in some form, so that they actually can get Ascended Amulets or do Ascended Crafting. I had some people ask me if F2P players could still get Best in Slot gear and compete with paying players. My answer to this was “Mostly yes, but…” and I think it would be more in line with the games core design philosophies if the answer could be a simple “yes”.

I completely understand the need for a restriction of the login rewards, as it would be highly exploitable for people with tons of accounts and the current restrictions do a great job at that. I just think that tying it to dailies would really not be exploitable anymore, at least not more exploitable than running short dungeon paths on multiple accounts. You could also tie the login rewards to the completion of a higher number of dailies like 4 or 6. This would also mean that F2P accounts would first have to level up a character a bit to be able to get login bonuses, as new accounts start out with only access to 3 dailies.

Also I’m aware that you get laurels through achievement chests, but those are so few that you can’t really use them for ascended amulets.

There really is no reason for all this hate. The restriction are pretty good, the security is tighter then it ever been, lets welcome the new players, and be the friendly people we are supposed to be,.

TJgalon.5012:

There really is no reason for all this hate. The restriction are pretty good, the security is tighter then it ever been, lets welcome the new players, and be the friendly people we are supposed to be,.

It’s not hate, it’s concern, that is different. I helped tons of new players over the years and I am willing to do the same for f2p players. Like I said before, why are there so many restrictions in the first place? Think about it. It’s because f2p games usually attract lots of unwanted players.

Ascended gear is available without laurels, via drops or other vendors for guild commendations, frac relics, bandit crests……

Yes, I know, it a shame people have to act like this, and such, but with the restriction in place, I am not really worry about free people. It very hard to be a jerk, and the way gw2 is, not much can e kill steal and such, and so i am not sure why the hate.
I can understand dislike, but pretty much, making it feel like it the end of the world confuses me, that all.

Not agreed in my opinion.

i dont get it i suport Anet over the years buy the game 60 euro
i pay HOT 100 euro
support anet duo cash shop so 1000 euro

and you make it F2P -.- it pains my heart

i hope Anet will give us that pay for the game and support anet all the way something back i think we own that much ??

Eirh.1439:

My suggestion is that F2P players should get login rewards once they complete their dailies.

I know a lot of people don’t agree with it, but I really want F2P players to have access to laurels in some form, so that they actually can get Ascended Amulets or do Ascended Crafting. I had some people ask me if F2P players could still get Best in Slot gear and compete with paying players. My answer to this was “Mostly yes, but…” and I think it would be more in line with the games core design philosophies if the answer could be a simple “yes”.

I completely understand the need for a restriction of the login rewards, as it would be highly exploitable for people with tons of accounts and the current restrictions do a great job at that. I just think that tying it to dailies would really not be exploitable anymore, at least not more exploitable than running short dungeon paths on multiple accounts. You could also tie the login rewards to the completion of a higher number of dailies like 4 or 6. This would also mean that F2P accounts would first have to level up a character a bit to be able to get login bonuses, as new accounts start out with only access to 3 dailies.

Also I’m aware that you get laurels through achievement chests, but those are so few that you can’t really use them for ascended amulets.

I tried a f2p account to see what it was like for new players, and I gotta say the trading post restriction is really confusing. First it says you need Heart of Thorns to sell certain things. Then below that it says your account has to be activated. Then after that it says the feature will unlock in 4 days. Does this mean that the other requirements are removed in 4 days?

edit: Also the things you can and can’t sell seem really arbitrary. I was able to sell an unidentified dye but not a common identified dye.

A lot of the comments about the horrible, immature trolls who will inevitably swarm the game now there are free accounts remind me of what everyone on the Elder Scrolls Online forum said when that game switched to buy-to-play.

IMO that was a much bigger change in the business model and it wasn’t the disaster everyone predicted, now (6 months later) most people are saying there was no real change in the community.

I’ve not been able to log in since the announcement but what I’ve seen on the forum is a lot of people predicting doom and gloom and lots of other people who have actually been playing in the starting zones reporting that they’ve seen its not like that.

Don’t give the bots more power pls.

I admit I’m a bit worried, too, since my experience with f2p (while small) has not been that good so far. But I will wait and see how it turns out. Since I won’t claim to know much about business models and that stuff, I’ll trust Anet to make sound decisions for the development of the game and keep unwanted company like bots and the like out even with f2p.
I enjoy the game way too much to leave over some “what could be”. If it does turn out otherwise, I can still leave after. But I sure hope not.

Taiyoroku.1028:

well you cant confirm who’s your friend or can we, so goldspamers can add on map people an them wisper no?

It’s for mutual friends, so you’d need to add them too. Just them adding you won’t cut it.

I was about to reply on a post that got lost somewhere or was merged to this thread (???)…

I think it is not being angry but being afraid of the possible outcomes – that is, not getting what we have paid for in the long run. Yes, we paid for the game – not just for the design, the concept, and the content – but also for the quality access to it. Making the design, concept, and content for free is one thing but providing quality access of these things with limited server/s and resources is another thing. It is like giving cars to every one without realizing that the roads constructed is limited, thus traffic is inevitable (and sometimes to the point that it is better to walk).

With this F2P being implemented, someone somewhere will definitely carry the burden – that is lose something in exchange of someone somewhere getting free resources.

How would you feel getting all the lag and not being able to play like before simply because someone closer to the server got free access for something you have paid for in the first place?

Best example is now, i am still downloading at 1-8kb/s with consistent but intermittent disconnections – and it is hard to say that the F2P which was just launch today has nothing to do with it.

Stop whining about restrictions for F2P. They can play for free so for kitten sake they should be happy. If they want laurels, ascended jewelry, selling stuff and use /map then buy the game if not then it’s their problem. After HoT release there will be even more restrictions and after each update/expanion more and more. Deal with it, cause you can enjoy whole game for free..

Not really happy that the welcome topic was merged into this one.. anyway.

Fargath.5104:

Bots,bots,bots,bots,bots…..bots,bots and also gold farms, cheats and hacks. This is what we get in time when the game becomes free, becouse this game is perfect for bots, there is only one thing that protect us from that and that is price for game… This is most stupid and cruel thing you could done to your clients…
Please dont do this!!! You can make trial version and lower price for original game to 10 euro…but please dont make this game Free to bot

But… how do you bot PvE, given the restrictions? Someone earlier suggested that bot farmers get 100K gold (lol!), then buy HoT and sell the account for tons of money.

Uhm… If you have to buy the game anyway to somehow funnel the money out of the f2p account, you might as well by the game before and bot farm 10 times as good with no restrictions. And that is no different from what you could do pre f2p. Either way Anet get cash.

I really dont see the issue with these f2p accounts in PvE and sPvP. They are pointless as bot accounts. At worst, they will be ad characters for gold sellers.

WvW is another matter though, thats the only area where I fear f2p may do as much harm as it does good.

Would be better if they make heart of thorns free for those who bought the game or maybe give them a discount

These sugggestions to make F2P players gameplay better are starting to really annoy me…
And as usual: NOPE!!

Hello!

So anets goal is to get new players buy the game.. then they shouldnt basically give them a fully free core game with only chat restricts (please dont come with “www is only from lv 60” nonsense, since getting lv80 is not a big deal…)
So the suggestion is:
-Decrease max lv to 60- with this every map higher than lv60 will be disable for them, along with the lv 70-80 story.
-Make only AC dungeon available
-Dont let them play www, only eotm, for 1hour each day
-Dont let them play unranked/ranked sPvP, only custom games.

With these it would be more of a trial, it would give the players an insight to every game mode, and it also wouldnt let them play them fully, so there is a motivation to buy the game, and also the older players wont feel betrayed neither, afer supporting anet with they money….

Regards.

You can roll in Exotic gear.

Ascended isn’t mandatory, doesn’t create a noticeable gap between itself and exotic.

You can buy trinkets on broker – finally Jewelry will be useful.

Dawdler.8521:

Fargath.5104:

Bots,bots,bots,bots,bots…..bots,bots and also gold farms, cheats and hacks. This is what we get in time when the game becomes free, becouse this game is perfect for bots, there is only one thing that protect us from that and that is price for game… This is most stupid and cruel thing you could done to your clients…
Please dont do this!!! You can make trial version and lower price for original game to 10 euro…but please dont make this game Free to bot

But… how do you bot PvE, given the restrictions? Someone earlier suggested that bot farmers get 100K gold (lol!), then buy HoT and sell the account for tons of money.

Uhm… If you have to buy the game anyway to somehow funnel the money out of the f2p account, you might as well by the game before and bot farm 10 times as good with no restrictions. And that is no different from what you could do pre f2p. Either way Anet get cash.

I really dont see the issue with these f2p accounts in PvE and sPvP. They are pointless as bot accounts. At worst, they will be ad characters for gold sellers.

WvW is another matter though, thats the only area where I fear f2p may do as much harm as it does good.

Bot farmers usually create hundreds of accounts. In f2p they have no loss when 80% gets caught, they still make a nice profit out of the remaining characters that slip through. When you charge 10 euro’s for an account, they lose money everytime an account gets caught, which makes it less interesting for them.

As for wvw, imagine what happens when HoT comes out, with paid players who have specialisations and legendary armor. They defeat f2p players too easily. The servers with most paid accounts will have an unfair advantage. Besides, I forsee that many troll accounts will be made. Creating a lvl 60 is not that hard.

I also think that free accounts (as much as I welcome the honest players) should be restricted to whisper only people who added them (not the other way round). In these times, friends can easily communicate outside of the game via voichehat, Whatsapp, and so on, to exchange friendship data. Also, party options should be restricted, simply due to the fact that goldsellers could spam party invites in order to advertise via party chat. The thing is that the restrictions now won’t suffice to keep the goldsellers at bay. They can only whisper to people on the same map, that might be good to save the higher level players from harm, but it should be considered that this means that all five starting cities will be goldseller-infected. And those are the hubs where people meet up. If the cimmunity should be kept and increased, it is important to give the community places to meet up. However, people will most likely be annoyed to stay in the cities if the goldseller spamming gets out of control, creating a huge gap between veteran players who can afford to be in higher level areas and those players who still have to level up their first character. I see Arena Nets good will, and I think their solutions get pretty close to what’s needed, but given the circumstances that friends have enough other means to communicate, the chat restrictions could be a bit higher to ensure gold sellers won’t stand a chance to annoy people out of the cities.

If they wanted a trial, it would have been a trial. Obviously they didnt want that. What’s done is done. No amount of forum posts is going to change it. In general, the restrictions are harsh enough to make people want to buy the game, especially once HoT is relased.

hahahha i cant belive this, i mean they really even read all this feedback ? this is the most dumb move from anet to the game, alot of people are giving NEGATIVE response about this and they even dare to say " this is the best " for our game…..pffffffffffff sorry to say this but u kill your own game, i feel the came back of 1000000000000000 ranger bow bots again

Bonobo.1470:

As for wvw, imagine what happens when HoT comes out, with paid players who have specialisations and legendary armor. They defeat f2p players too easily. The servers with most paid accounts will have an unfair advantage. Besides, I forsee that many troll accounts will be made. Creating a lvl 60 is not that hard.

Although I agree that F2P players shouldn’t be allowed to play wvw, that mostly because of the population balance issues which are still ongoing (I might be wrong though) – legendary armor will likely have the same stats as ascended armor, so legendary armor won’t be better than what we already have. Being a good enough player in wvw takes some time anyway, so even with ascended or legendary armor new players would get a beating.
But what will make those who have HoT more powerful than those who haven’t is the elite specialization. I can only speak for thief though, haven’t looked too much into the traits of other professions, but I’d say that those who don’t chose the elite will be at a disadvantage. And that doesn’t only concern F2P accounts.

I’m loving this, it’s already f2p so, can we get inspect feature too, then we can inspect and insta kick all non zerker ppl, and dps meter, so we can add those who use the meta but are bad to our block list, and kick them too.

Bonobo.1470:

Bot farmers usually create hundreds of accounts. In f2p they have no loss when 80% gets caught, they still make a nice profit out of the remaining characters that slip through. When you charge 10 euro’s for an account, they lose money everytime an account gets caught, which makes it less interesting for them.

But that only means that bot farmers never tried to begin with. As I said, either way Anet get more cash once cash need to flow out of a f2p account.

Tbh I am not too woried about that anyway. GW2 has decent enough reporting tools and Anet should easily be able to keep a closer eye on f2p accounts. If HoT make the new zones the “endgame” replacing Silverwastes/Orr, f2p PvE will be a non-issue as no one will even care if there are farmers there.

I don’t see the point of removing incentives to buy the game instead of remaining free. The ftp part is to get them in the door and get them invested enough in the game to take the next step, buying the game. Each removal of a restriction is one less incentive to buy. If they aren’t invested in the game enough to pay for it then they should not be getting laurels.

They should have just called it a free trial of the game. New players will have to devote a lot of time leveling their characters to 60 to even experience world vs world. I’m guessing they’re hoping by the time people get to level 60 they will just buy the game.

If you’ve gotten to the point where you really want ascended and can’t stick with exotics it’s probably time to buy the game. Ascended (even the trinkets) is intended to be a long term commitment.

Technically, the only piece of Ascended gear obtainable only through laurels are the amulets.

Granted, it may be a tedious undetaking, but everything else can be gotten through other means.

Mourningcry.9428:

Technically, the only piece of Ascended gear obtainable only through laurels are the amulets.

Granted, it may be a tedious undetaking, but everything else can be gotten through other means.

Hmmm… Might this be a possible way for introducing r500 Jeweler? As an alternate way to craft Ascended trinkets that don’t require Laurels? (Of course, any paying player would be daft not to use Laurels + Badges, but work with me here!)

Mourningcry.9428:

Technically, the only piece of Ascended gear obtainable only through laurels are the amulets.

Granted, it may be a tedious undetaking, but everything else can be gotten through other means.

An Amulet can be bought without laurels with bandit crests.

No…. Laurels are part of an economy currency, getting laurels on every new account would mean an influx of materials on the market and all that. There are other methods to getting ascended accessories, by DROPS in pvp/fractals/wvw/champs. The devs still need to make money some how, giving everything to free players is not in that spirit. Think of login rewards as veteran loyalty bonuses.

to the guy who says the only way to get ascended amulets is laurels, check silverwastes.

SkullProX.7083:

These sugggestions to make F2P players gameplay better are starting to really annoy me…
And as usual: NOPE!!

This.
They’ve already too much.

Dawdler.8521:

Bonobo.1470:

Bot farmers usually create hundreds of accounts. In f2p they have no loss when 80% gets caught, they still make a nice profit out of the remaining characters that slip through. When you charge 10 euro’s for an account, they lose money everytime an account gets caught, which makes it less interesting for them.

But that only means that bot farmers never tried to begin with. As I said, either way Anet get more cash once cash need to flow out of a f2p account.

Tbh I am not too woried about that anyway. GW2 has decent enough reporting tools and Anet should easily be able to keep a closer eye on f2p accounts. If HoT make the new zones the “endgame” replacing Silverwastes/Orr, f2p PvE will be a non-issue as no one will even care if there are farmers there.

Reporting tools won’t make a difference. Who’s gonna review those reports? Staff that gets hired with the revenue from f2p accounts? The more I look at it, the bigger my concerns are. More lag, bigger chance of abuse, unbalanced wvw and so on.
I really hope I am wrong about this, since I love this game.

Wanze.8410:

Mourningcry.9428:

Technically, the only piece of Ascended gear obtainable only through laurels are the amulets.

Granted, it may be a tedious undetaking, but everything else can be gotten through other means.

An Amulet can be bought without laurels with bandit crests.

Nice catch. Forgot about those two.

Well the fact that they have got free to play means that I should be able to get more of my friends to play GW2. Therefore I am happy