Guild Wars 2

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Xillllix.3485:

tolunart.2095:

It’s called supply and demand. Supply = low, demand = high.

NO, it’s called rich people flipping precursors on the market.

John Smith looked at the transactions during a timeframe and they were pretty much unique buyers and sellers. While some people do flip them, it’s not has common as you think.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Dusk-2000g/first#post4048636

That time frame was over the course of two days.

You realize of course that he chose the sample which proved his point.

Well I guess I forgot to put on my tin foil hat. I guess it was so convenient that he used the past two days at the time of his post.

This isn’t conspiracy talk. Economists cherry pick data for a living.

Dark Dark Binks.8210:

If you are patient enough, one day it can be anyone’s turn

Or not. That’s the whole problem. Patience has no impact. We should have a solid way of earning a precursor. I mean, I’ve played thousands of hours. How much more patient should I be? Most likely me and a million others will never get that luck.

But congrats to you.

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Xillllix.3485:

tolunart.2095:

It’s called supply and demand. Supply = low, demand = high.

NO, it’s called rich people flipping precursors on the market.

John Smith looked at the transactions during a timeframe and they were pretty much unique buyers and sellers. While some people do flip them, it’s not has common as you think.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Dusk-2000g/first#post4048636

That time frame was over the course of two days.

You realize of course that he chose the sample which proved his point.

Well I guess I forgot to put on my tin foil hat. I guess it was so convenient that he used the past two days at the time of his post.

actually the data included a substantial amount of time before the actual spike occured, i think it was approx 60 hours, and he included 15 from before the event occured, not only that but it didnt include the latest data and the biggest spikes and sales.

He may not have been cherry picking that may be the blocks in which the data is organized, but it definately wasnt the best data sample to hone in on what was happening due to the spike.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ayrilana.1396:

Xillllix.3485:

tolunart.2095:

It’s called supply and demand. Supply = low, demand = high.

NO, it’s called rich people flipping precursors on the market.

John Smith looked at the transactions during a timeframe and they were pretty much unique buyers and sellers. While some people do flip them, it’s not has common as you think.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Dusk-2000g/first#post4048636

That time frame was over the course of two days.

You realize of course that he chose the sample which proved his point.

Well I guess I forgot to put on my tin foil hat. I guess it was so convenient that he used the past two days at the time of his post.

actually the data included a substantial amount of time before the actual spike occured, i think it was approx 60 hours, and he included 15 from before the event occured, not only that but it didnt include the latest data and the biggest spikes and sales.

He may not have been cherry picking that may be the blocks in which the data is organized, but it definately wasnt the best data sample to hone in on what was happening due to the spike.

Exactly.

ICEing.9237:

This thread needs to die already

Your opinion is noted. This thread is alive and well as long as precursors are RNG based and many of us will never see one.

Aidenwolf.5964:

ICEing.9237:

This thread needs to die already

Your opinion is noted. This thread is alive and well as long as precursors are RNG based and many of us will never see one.

Considering it’s all I’m waiting on now, yep. Pretty much.

Necroing my own thread on this topic because Anet said the precursor situation was on their radar but obviously aren’t fixing it based on their response. This is one of many threads about this issue but this one is mine.

Precursors need another method of acquisition either a scavenger hunt or make them craftable.

5.5k hours and counting…and not a single precursor drop/forged. I’m done with this game after my next Legendary…it’s a pretty monotonous RNG grind.

Since living story which needed no fixes was completely overhauled how long until the precursor situation which has needed a fix for years gets fixed?

It’s been over 2 years and nothing. Do people really still have a candle lit for them doing anything about precursors? If so, I’m sorry to break it to you but I really doubt Anet is going to do anything….it has been 2+ years already.

Sauzo.6821:

It’s been over 2 years and nothing. Do people really still have a candle lit for them doing anything about precursors? If so, I’m sorry to break it to you but I really doubt Anet is going to do anything….it has been 2+ years already.

Let’s hope the much anticipated end of the month announcement brings us news of the long promised precursor crafting.

4.1k hours of active playtime, doing high loot, high chest, high drop activites (fractals, dungeons, world bosses) for a vast majority of that time. and nothing worth more than 80 gold has ever dropped, very well a precursor. even if i were the stock market trading post master class wizard some people are, i dont think i could justify burning 1.3k gold for an item that’s being flushed down the mystic toilet the literal second its in my inventory.

KaosNinja.4967:

4.1k hours of active playtime, doing high loot, high chest, high drop activites (fractals, dungeons, world bosses) for a vast majority of that time. and nothing worth more than 80 gold has ever dropped, very well a precursor. even if i were the stock market trading post master class wizard some people are, i dont think i could justify burning 1.3k gold for an item that’s being flushed down the mystic toilet the literal second its in my inventory.

I totally agree which is why I won’t buy one.

Had 7 Coin Purses from those SW Lost Bandit Chests in my inventory. Opened them all quickly and got my very first precursor. The Legend. Gave it away to a friend less than an hour later.

Guess all things come in time. Even though I didn’t keep it — it was a great feeling just being blessed by the RNG gods like that.

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

Hahaha internet high five. This is exactly how I feel about legendaries. I will never have one unless somehow the Predator mysteriously falls into my inventory.

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

Legendary weapons in name only

Lately I feel Ambrite Weapons are more legendary than legendaries themselves.

Oh, I remember back when I used to play Priston Tale. Once you reached lvl 100 you were able to do the final quest, where you had to kill 3 types of monster, and defeat a boss 3 times with different aspects, at the end of the quest you get that epic weapon that didn’ t require any status to use, just to be level 100, everybody knew that you were level 100 and have done the quest to get it, that was legendary weapon.

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

So you’re treating speculation as fact?

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

So you’re treating speculation as fact?

So you have facts to contradict me? Please do.

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

So you’re treating speculation as fact?

So you have facts to contradict me? Please do.

You’re the one who first made the claim that Anet’s primary focus with having legendaries (and/or precursors) sellable is to make money from the gem store. The burden is on you to cite your proof.

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

I don’t have to assume in a vacuum when one of the guilds I’m in, chock full of some crazy AP hunters, legendary collectors and completionists, is also chock full of people that have plenty of “To hell with this, its credit card time” stories.

Most of them have to do with getting precursors. Several of them are trying to hold out and keep throwing things into the mystic toilet and doing world bosses on as many of their 80’s as they can cram into a busy day, but the ones with an actual collection of legendaries?

Yeah, they didn’t farm precursors or gold. Some of them are quite happy to have saved themselves the time, saying things like ‘I make $25/hour at my job. Spend thousands of hours farming, or drop a couple hundred bucks that I can spare on what I want? No regrets here’, and that’s dandy. Nothing wrong with spending one’s money on what one wants.

Sad fact is, the people trying to get a ‘legendary’ by playing the game? They’re all poor suckers that have absolutely no means of even improving their chances except by spending more time at it…or finally cracking and ponying up some bills.

Sure, my ‘assumption’ isn’t scientifically valid, but I’d bet some very shiny nickels that I’m right, and Anet’s never going to ‘fix’ the money faucet that just keeps gushing into their pockets.

I mean come on, why would they? People are still throwing money at them, and probably not small amounts. Anet’s gone whaling.

Look it up.

You’re still basing this on speculation and circumstantial observations where your guild mates could be lying and they’re also a very small percentage of the population. You cannot draw conclusions from a handful of people who may or may not have purchased their legendaries with gold bought from the store. This also in no way means that Anet’s intention for legendary weapons to be bought through purchased gold was why they are sellable on the TP.

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

So you’re treating speculation as fact?

So you have facts to contradict me? Please do.

You’re the one who first made the claim that Anet’s primary focus with having legendaries (and/or precursors) sellable is to make money from the gem store. The burden is on you to cite your proof.

My speculation is based on common sense. If Anet wasn’t making money doing it, they would change it. They are in business to make money, using a cash shop model. Just about everything in this game in one way or another is tied to gold. Gold is the focus of the entire economy. Arenanet needs high prices and for players to feel they don’t have enough so that they are more prone to spending real life cash. It’s how they run things.

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

Ayrilana.1396:

Neural.1824:

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

What I find interesting is that while Legendaries are such a huge cash cow for Anet, why do they not keep developing them? Why not fix issues with current ones? Why nothing new? Just seems strange to me that they’d let their flagship items collect dust.

Maybe because you’re making the assumption that so many people buy gems to convert to gold so they can get their legendaries?

Credit card to gold is Anets primary focus. If they wanted Legnedaries to be something other than a cash grab, they’d have balanced prices on precursors and such a long time ago by making it actually challenging to get a Legendary. Why do you think they aren’t account bound?
Any time gold is on the line, there’s a chance that a user will pull out their credit card to get more. Plain and simple.

So you’re treating speculation as fact?

So you have facts to contradict me? Please do.

You’re the one who first made the claim that Anet’s primary focus with having legendaries (and/or precursors) sellable is to make money from the gem store. The burden is on you to cite your proof.

My speculation is based on common sense. If Anet wasn’t making money doing it, they would change it. They are in business to make money, using a cash shop model. Just about everything in this game in one way or another is tied to gold. Gold is the focus of the entire economy. Arenanet needs high prices and for players to feel they don’t have enough so that they are more prone to spending real life cash. It’s how they run things.

What you’re considering common sense is not common sense but speculation and circumstantial observation.

You guys should be glad you can at least buy the precursor on tp and its not pure rng(fractals, teq hoard). Time to get over your ego of buying a precursor on tp is not legendary. Your just holding yourself back( or perhaps giving yourself an excuse to complain). I saved up money over time and bought a pre. When you don’t get a pre after tossing a bunch of stuff in the mystic forge maybe its time you stopped playing the rng. As it’s only frustrating you, just buy the dang thing.

2010 hours played.
6 precursors in last 30 days (Leaf of kudzu, Dusk, Colossus, Rodgort’s flame, Venom, and Dawn)
8 total.
150 gold away from my second legendary Sunrise (have The Juggernaut). Its just RNG.

Ayrilana.1396:

You’re still basing this on speculation and circumstantial observations where your guild mates could be lying and they’re also a very small percentage of the population. You cannot draw conclusions from a handful of people who may or may not have purchased their legendaries with gold bought from the store. This also in no way means that Anet’s intention for legendary weapons to be bought through purchased gold was why they are sellable on the TP.

Uh huh. Do you function in reality with those mile-thick rose-tinted lenses? There’s an awful lot in life that we can safely assume to be a duck when it quacks, waddles, has feathers and looks exactly like a duck.

Could I be wrong? Sure.

Am I? You bet on your horse, I’ll bet on mine. Time’ll tell all the stories in the end, as it always does.

naiasonod.9265:

Ayrilana.1396:

You’re still basing this on speculation and circumstantial observations where your guild mates could be lying and they’re also a very small percentage of the population. You cannot draw conclusions from a handful of people who may or may not have purchased their legendaries with gold bought from the store. This also in no way means that Anet’s intention for legendary weapons to be bought through purchased gold was why they are sellable on the TP.

Uh huh. Do you function in reality with those mile-thick rose-tinted lenses? There’s an awful lot in life that we can safely assume to be a duck when it quacks, waddles, has feathers and looks exactly like a duck.

Could I be wrong? Sure.

Am I? You bet on your horse, I’ll bet on mine. Time’ll tell all the stories in the end, as it always does.

I don’t go through with a pessimistic view.

naiasonod.9265:

I love how they call the things legendary, give them effects that belong in visually loud animes and people practically kill themselves trying to get the things.

The illusion of prestige, man. Gets the suckers every time, right square in the wallet and wasted time.

They’ve got you folks pegged. Why should they change anything when many here will complain, but keep throwing cash at gems for gold anyway, or keep throwing loot into the mystic toilet, hoping that today might be their fifteen seconds of ‘glory’.

They haven’t ‘fixed it’ on all these years because our isn’t broken for what they clearly want it to be accomplishing.

Don’t look at what they say or what you think they said – look at what they do, or in this case, don’t do.

Story tells itself. Not much else to be said about it, is there?

+ 1.

I initially wanted twilight, but upon seeing how arduous the quest for a silly paintbrush effect is, I settled for a chaos set when the market was saturated and actually enjoyed the game with the time I would have spent grinding myself into disgust for a fleeting chance at a weapon that really doesn’t say anything about the wielder to begin with.

Ayrilana.1396:

naiasonod.9265:

Ayrilana.1396:

You’re still basing this on speculation and circumstantial observations where your guild mates could be lying and they’re also a very small percentage of the population. You cannot draw conclusions from a handful of people who may or may not have purchased their legendaries with gold bought from the store. This also in no way means that Anet’s intention for legendary weapons to be bought through purchased gold was why they are sellable on the TP.

Uh huh. Do you function in reality with those mile-thick rose-tinted lenses? There’s an awful lot in life that we can safely assume to be a duck when it quacks, waddles, has feathers and looks exactly like a duck.

Could I be wrong? Sure.

Am I? You bet on your horse, I’ll bet on mine. Time’ll tell all the stories in the end, as it always does.

I don’t go through with a pessimistic view.

The key difference between being a pessimist and a realist is that the pessimist assumes the worst whether there’s any reason to or not.

I’ve got (and I’m not alone in having) over fifteen years’ worth of experience in playing MMO’s. I’ve seen what dev studios of every shape and size do.

Over and over and over again, very similar decisions get made. The flocks of ducks never vary all that much in their fly-overs. When I’m wrong, its usually because I figuratively called a goose a duck.

You? Your expectation is, in keeping with my own metaphor, that I should lend equal weight to the possibility that its a flock of flying duckbilled platypuses. First off, it is the absolute purpose of a business to make money. That is priority one, no matter what they say or how they nuance their methods of going about it.

Assuming that a business is doing something to make money is never going to be entirely incorrect, even if it winds up being other than specifically correct.

Second, with no data or pretense for attempting to tabulate poor data, all I (or any of us, in fact) can really do is speculate.

What is a sound basis for reasonable speculation? Historical reference and…? Anecdotal experience.

You bet that ‘fifty million Elvis fans’ can absolutely be wrong, but I’m not spitting against the wind of known elements of reality here either. I’m assuming that a business is out to make money and, given their demonstrated history of not changing anything meaningful about this borked-up system, it must be working as they want it to.

Incidentally, there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of people that’ve ponied up money to skip the potentially perpetual grind.

Feathers + bill + flying + webbed feet = might very well be a duck.

Could be a goose – I could be wrong.

What it isn’t? It isn’t for our benefit. It isn’t for our enjoyment. It isn’t for the improvement of our game experience, for game balance or for any of the common feel-good go-to’s PR-speak will demand anyone speaking in an official capacity upon the matter couch everything in.

They’re not going to come out and say ‘Yeah, this system’s awfully profitable for us ‘cause it keeps so many of you frustrated, and man is it nice to see the revenue coming in every month from the people that buy gems and convert to gold’. They’ll NEVER SAY THAT, especially if its true.

Never. Ever. Not once, not then, not now, not ever.

So, we’ll never have confirmation one way or another. All we’ll ever have is speculation.

Me, I’m betting its a duck. Could be a goose.

It won’t be the duck billed platypus they’d like us to believe it to be. That isn’t pessimism to assume – that’s knowing the difference between what flies in these skies and what never has, cannot and never will.

I am just glad I don’t experience “rage” over the lack of a precursor like some people in the game do. Do I feel disappointed sometimes? Definitely, but to be honest, I’m happy with the weapon skins my characters are currently running around in. With that said, IF, I receive a precursor as a drop, then I will be just as happy to create the legendary skin that goes with it (regardless of how I like/dislike the skin). shrug It’s a game, I treat it as such.

Can someone from the ANET team please comment in this thread about whether or not there will be a precursor ‘scavenger’ hunt or some reasonable method of acquisition besides RNG? It is extremely frustrating to have played countless hours since beta and never had a precursor drop. Please offer some sort of system for veteran players to improve our ‘RNG luck’ for these items. Relying solely on RNG is not fun, and games are supposed to be fun.

@Ayrilana – you really are the chief apologist for ANet on economic issues its just amazing to me . . .

I have 17K plus AP and over 5000 hours playing the game. I’ve gotten two precursors – the spear gun and the pistol. The first I sold long long ago for about 20 gold, and the pistol most recently for about 650 gold. There was never any question in my mind about trying to craft a legendary out of either one. When I got the first I looked into what it would have taken at that time to craft it and laughed. Seriously, I laughed. Then I was kind of offended when I realized ANet really does think we are all lonely skritt. That much time and effort for what – colorful particle effects and footprints? My recommendation is to let it go people – appearance is not all – its actually pretty inconsequential even in this game that is supposed to be all about appearance. Don’t get me wrong I’ve got a price point for appearance in this game but it is dammmed low (maybe $2 real currency). Figure out what yours is and act accordingly . . .

Arrow.4619:

@Ayrilana – you really are the chief apologist for ANet on economic issues its just amazing to me . . .

I have 17K plus AP and over 5000 hours playing the game. I’ve gotten two precursors – the spear gun and the pistol. The first I sold long long ago for about 20 gold, and the pistol most recently for about 650 gold. There was never any question in my mind about trying to craft a legendary out of either one. When I got the first I looked into what it would have taken at that time to craft it and laughed. Seriously, I laughed. Then I was kind of offended when I realized ANet really does think we are all lonely skritt. That much time and effort for what – colorful particle effects and footprints? My recommendation is to let it go people – appearance is not all – its actually pretty inconsequential even in this game that is supposed to be all about appearance. Don’t get me wrong I’ve got a price point for appearance in this game but it is dammmed low (maybe $2 real currency). Figure out what yours is and act accordingly . . .

+1 for excellent advice, mate. Well said.

Valento.9852:

Lately I feel Ambrite Weapons are more legendary than legendaries themselves.

I have 11 ambrite weapons and 4 legendaries. Trust me, legendaries are far far more expensive. lol

Since this thread was necro’d… I am still doing the exact same thing I posted 9months ago.
I collect 4 of each kind of rare weapon from world boss chests, champ bags & now bandit chests (they don’t drop in the wild reliably for me) and when I get that fourth one I flush them in the Mystic Forge. To date I have gotten no precursors and come away with a few exotics.
The big difference between then and now is the that instead of hundreds of flushes it’s been well over a thousand flushes. That forge has eaten so much potential gold that I cringe now when I do it. I’m simply not hopeful at all to ever see a precursor.

Infernia.9847:

Since this thread was necro’d… I am still doing the exact same thing I posted 9months ago.
I collect 4 of each kind of rare weapon from world boss chests, champ bags & now bandit chests (they don’t drop in the wild reliably for me) and when I get that fourth one I flush them in the Mystic Forge. To date I have gotten no precursors and come away with a few exotics.
The big difference between then and now is the that instead of hundreds of flushes it’s been well over a thousand flushes. That forge has eaten so much potential gold that I cringe now when I do it. I’m simply not hopeful at all to ever see a precursor.

Sarcasm Alert But don’t you see how much fun™ you’re having? According to the metrics, you keep performing behavior X. You must be enjoying using the mystic forge!

Working as intended! YAAAAY!

/sarcasm

seabhac.5346:

Can someone from the ANET team please comment in this thread about whether or not there will be a precursor ‘scavenger’ hunt or some reasonable method of acquisition besides RNG? It is extremely frustrating to have played countless hours since beta and never had a precursor drop. Please offer some sort of system for veteran players to improve our ‘RNG luck’ for these items. Relying solely on RNG is not fun, and games are supposed to be fun.

There already is a way to get a precursor outside the realm of RNG — Its called the Black Lion Trading Company. It works. Earning a precursor though some long and inane scavenger hunt or crafting discipline would likely take just as long to farm enough gold to buy the thing off the TP.

The ever rising exchange rate begs to differ, that the revenue from people spending cash to buy a pre or legendary is likely pretty small. It seems like the majority are still turning in gold to buy gem shop items.

naiasonod.9265:

Infernia.9847:

Since this thread was necro’d… I am still doing the exact same thing I posted 9months ago.
I collect 4 of each kind of rare weapon from world boss chests, champ bags & now bandit chests (they don’t drop in the wild reliably for me) and when I get that fourth one I flush them in the Mystic Forge. To date I have gotten no precursors and come away with a few exotics.
The big difference between then and now is the that instead of hundreds of flushes it’s been well over a thousand flushes. That forge has eaten so much potential gold that I cringe now when I do it. I’m simply not hopeful at all to ever see a precursor.

Sarcasm Alert But don’t you see how much fun™ you’re having? According to the metrics, you keep performing behavior X. You must be enjoying using the mystic forge!

Working as intended! YAAAAY!

/sarcasm

Your reply makes me both laugh and cry. I am not a number! I am not a rat pushing a lever! Skinner be darned.
Shinies, shinies there will be a shiny this time I know it. /sarcasm + /truth

When this thread started i had 50+/- gold and 0 mats , Dusk prince was +/-900 gold , 9 months later i already have a Twilight ( bought Dusk for 1300g ) and have already 100g and some mats , going for Sunrise this time. All of this just farming dungeons , cursed shore, upgrading mats and selling good drops instead of unlocking skins.
Was it a chore ? Some days yeah , but still had fun trying to get better at dungeons paths and learning new dungeons to increase income. These days i don’t do dungeons anymore , spending my days in WvW and still making good money each day.

Not trying to make a point here , just sharing another side to this story.

Tuntz.8953:

When this thread started i had 50+/- gold and 0 mats , Dusk prince was +/-900 gold , 9 months later i already have a Twilight ( bought Dusk for 1300g ) and have already 100g and some mats , going for Sunrise this time. All of this just farming dungeons , cursed shore, upgrading mats and selling good drops instead of unlocking skins.
Was it a chore ? Some days yeah , but still had fun trying to get better at dungeons paths and learning new dungeons to increase income. These days i don’t do dungeons anymore , spending my days in WvW and still making good money each day.

Not trying to make a point here , just sharing another side to this story.

Do you make money by playing WvW only?

Well here’s my take on the whole legendary/precursor situation.

First of all, I am eagerly awaiting crafting/scavenger hunt for precursors. Even if it takes just as long as straight-up buying a precursor, it’s always more fun collecting than buying.

My current method of obtaining precursors is buying off the post
Remember supply and demand determines all things on the trading post. ArenaNet did not set the price, they set the drop rate which in turn sets the price. Whenever supply and demand is involved, you have to think that the price of the object is near equal to the price of obtaining it. In other words, if it were any cheaper on average to forge a precursor, people would start to do it more often and the price of the precursor would drop to match.

So the money flushed in the forge on average before you get your precursor should be near equal to the money required to buy it off the post. Buying guarantees you’ll get it, forging does not. You can’t beat luck. There’s a chance you may get two or more precursors through forging, but that does not in any way make it the smarter choice.

HOWEVER
While I do not agree with the reasoning for boycotting precursors-from-the-TP, I can not get frustrated with the people who do. I think it can be seen as an outcry from the community that they want a way other than buying a precursor to obtain one. That’s where crafting/scavenger-hunt comes in.

I do not find it too difficult to obtain a legendary.
I have a job. I only have from 5-11:30 to play GW2 and that does not include the time spent eating/showering/taking breaks/playing music .etc on weekdays. I make on average 150-200g per week. I could get a Dusk in 6-7 weeks, just by me doing my normal stuff. I’m often throwing down gold to buy new stuff from the gemstore, so realistically it would take me 9-12 weeks.

Legendaries were meant for hardcore players. However, they are easy enough that a person with a life could get one with effort. Now there are exceptions but, it’s been known for years that extremely busy people will not be able to achieve everything in an MMO, it’s just something we have to live with.

I do not believe Legendaries are the object of marketing.
Yes, I would agree that the decision to allow straight purchases of legendaries was swayed by the gold/gem conversion, but legendaries are not being advertised. Black Lion Chests are advertising, they do not include legendary components. In fact, BLChests contain a lot of things that would help level alts. If you want a money conspiracy, look at alts, not legendaries.

But, don’t bother with moneymaking conspiracies anyway. They only server to stress you out and are not an efficient way to get the developers’ attention.

I’m in a guild where most of our members are working on multiple legendaries. I’ve never heard anything about any of them spending real money on them. That takes the fun out of it. However, you can take that all with a grain of salt because other guilds are different.

Nienow.1705:

Do you make money by playing WvW only?

Sure , selling ectos , upgrading/crafting some mats from salvage and from loot bags and selling other mats directly.

I got one precursor drop early on, which I used. I’m working on my fifth legendary. I don’t buy gems and sell them for gold.

Yes, farming gold to buy a precusor is in no way epic and I don’t prefer it. But not insisting you get one as a drop isn’t reasonable.

On the other hand, I can understand why people would be annoyed, because Anet did indicate at some point they were working on precursor crafting and it was almost ready. They had to scrap it (which they told us about). But it’s still not ready and people are frustrated.

I’m frustrated too. The difference between them and me is that I’m working on my fifth legendary.