Guild Wars 2

Well that’s disappointing

Cheating is cheating, no matter the size or for how long it’s being perpetuated or the reasons behind them, it’s against the rules, so don’t find it sad at all. Someone who looks for cheats is in the gray-zone, someone who installs them crossed the line. Not saying this is the case on this person, cause I have no evidence, just saying this based on the comments regarding the second chance jumping puzzle opportunity.

But don’t worry they’ll get unbanned.

Meanwhile a fellow guild mate of mine pretty much got told by support to suck it up and there’s no chance of reversing his actions (accused of botting for multi-boxing).

Yep good stuff.

kuritsutian.2987:

Cheating is cheating, no matter the size or for how long it’s being perpetuated or the reasons behind them, it’s against the rules, so don’t find it sad at all. Someone who looks for cheats is in the gray-zone, someone who installs them crossed the line. Not saying this is the case on this person, cause I have no evidence, just saying this based on the comments regarding the second chance jumping puzzle opportunity.

I find it unlikely that “Suck at Love” would do such a thing, if they did then sure they deserve the ban hammer without question.

But banning innocent people is -never- okay, and when that mistake is made ArenaNET should make some recompense for the action, to ensure quality of control of itself so that it cannot ban without consequence of itself.

Twitter post about this.

Shazbawt
Content creators aren’t immune to the rules everyone else has to follow by. Just double-checked, this will stand.

tl:dr
he double checked the suspension and said the rules were indeed broken and that the suspension will not be lifted.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Twitter post about this.

Shazbawt
Content creators aren’t immune to the rules everyone else has to follow by. Just double-checked, this will stand.

tl:dr
he double checked the suspension and said the rules were indeed broken and that the suspension will not be lifted.

Hahahaha…

No idea who “Suck at Love” is or why their ban warrants news. ~shrug~

Sucks that happened, hopefully they are just speaking out of anger…
Seems a little childish to say “even if they unbanned us we won’t be playing the game”

For being true guild wars fans, they are sure willing to jump ship when a screw up happens…

When South Sun Cove first came out, I was falsely banned for being a botter. Mostly because I was playing a ranger with a drake tanking. Trying to get some t6 blood for my Dreamer.

I had to spend roughly a day raising hell with Anet, when that all failed I raised hell with NCSOFT until an ANET employee relooked at the case and unbanned me. Ended up getting an apology email and compensation in the process.

Yes, you have a reason to be mad and upset if you are falsely banned; however, being a child about it and saying you’re a hardcore fan and even if you get unbanned you wont play the game again.. just LOL

I do think (and hope) that they are just speaking out of anger. I know I would be.

If they really did hack (which I doubt), they deserve every last bit of it. However, if they didn’t, they can’t be the only ones falsely banned and Anet really needs to get its act together before they lose a large portion of its loyal players.

I was really looking forward to their Mesmer song.

Only time will tell, thats the only thing i can say about it.

My main account was banned not long after launch for “gold selling/buying.” Me and 2 guildies pooled our gold, put it in our guild bank and then took turns removing then replacing the 200 gold back in the guild bank to get the Golden title and achievement. A few days later I was banned. I contacted support and they reversed it the next day. So, they do make mistakes but if a Dev comes out and says he checked that account and the suspension is correct, I’m going to think he didn’t say that without looking at it carefully.

If someone’s banned for something they claim did not do, then almost sure they will raise hell and be upset about it. No one i know would simply say “we’re unfairly banned and we won’t be playing the game again because of it.”

Second, the dev double checked the ban and it stands. which leads me to believe there was more going on then what the content creator(s) claimed.

Lastly, mistakes can always be made like Just a flesh wound said, but Anet or Ncsoft will look into it to make sure their decision was correct. But as it is now, this particular case will stand.

If i were banned like that i’d raise hell and not just say “oh well, i’m quitting no matter what and play another game.” Even IF i were to quit playing i’d raise hell just out of principle of being treated fairly (if unfairly banned oc).

Why not bothering with an Ticket? auto detection can fail. Please do so. I am sure they will unlock your account then . But this here a: is useless and b isnt giving you better chanches or any proves about your legit gameplay.

https://help.guildwars2.com/home

Just a flesh wound.3589:

My main account was banned not long after launch for “gold selling/buying.” Me and 2 guildies pooled our gold, put it in our guild bank and then took turns removing then replacing the 200 gold back in the guild bank to get the Golden title and achievement. A few days later I was banned. I contacted support and they reversed it the next day. So, they do make mistakes but if a Dev comes out and says he checked that account and the suspension is correct, I’m going to think he didn’t say that without looking at it carefully.

Agree with this – I’d sooner believe the words of an official dev over some stranger that other strangers believe, just because they have a YouTube account!

Wow. 29.. looks bad..

Well then. xD

Anyone gonna try to argue that? >.>

What is a map point? Invisible check points on maps?

I been banned quite often for online gaming over the years. Some of it because I’m really cheating, some I’m wrongfully banned. What I find is if I sent a ticket, and I’m really wrongfully banned, my account is usually cleared.

yeah. years ago someone highjacked my blizzard account. after i quited. I got banned to then i cleaned my pc, changed my email and otehr passwords, wrote them to please unlock my account again , they checked and it was unlocked again. but if this is happening at 1 and the same pc its harder to prove.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Thank you for helping us understand. Such a pity if they really were hacking, but they deserve it if they were.

Also, both accounts in that household were banned. Was this an IP ban? Why would one account being banned affect the other?
Or were both of their accounts found to be using a third-party program?

In a slightly related note, is there any word on hackers in PvP being banned? I have screenshots of a recent incident I encountered.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Works for me. Cheating is cheating. And thank you.

Some weeks ago i seen an hacker making his/her grind mobs unatackable for otehrs. she used an shiny golden buff or so.

I would suggest to include souch “buff” checks to.

Well then. That sucks, they had cute videos… I don’t understand why people bot like this, isn’t this fairly easy to detect, and don’t they regularly get caught? Especially in such a high profile event?

Bladeofhonor.3254:

Some weeks ago i seen an hacker making his/her grind mobs unatackable for otehrs. she used an shine golden buff or so.

I would suggest to include souch “buff” checks to.

Are you sure the shiny gold buff wasn’t just this? It doesn’t make you undetectable by mobs, but it does give you a gold glow if you’ve used it in Auric Basin. I’d suggest you be careful with those types of allegations, or else you might end up falsely reporting people… :/

Looks like she made her Rage Quit video private, too.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Looks like she made her Rage Quit video private, too.

Gets busted…makes video private. Yup.

Glad everyone is treated the same. In a couple other games, this isn’t the case. Given these folks popularity, ya’ll will probably be bashed to hell in every venue their supporters can manage. But know there are players that appreciate all the effort to keep the game legit.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Looks like she made her Rage Quit video private, too.

Yeah was public just a minute ago because I just watch it. Sad some person like that would risk account for some in game reward. I guess never know who is doing cheats.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Thanks for the facts Gaile, I know sometimes it’s hard to divulge information.

Dang missed all this drama because video is private :C RIP 2 minutes too late !

Its not perma ban tho, right? Says 4k hours so basically 6months. Also the vid is made priv now..haha.

Well, I can’t say much on the matter, banning all Accounts on the same IP seems like much for me, I can’t rely on much other then what I’ve heard from them and the gm response.
All I can say is I hope justice was done if it was do, but to ensure the crime was actually made.

DeathReign.7821:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Thank you for helping us understand. Such a pity if they really were hacking, but they deserve it if they were.

Also, both accounts in that household were banned. Was this an IP ban? Why would one account being banned affect the other?
Or were both of their accounts found to be using a third-party program?

In a slightly related note, is there any word on hackers in PvP being banned? I have screenshots of a recent incident I encountered.

Botters usually have many alt accounts and use them to pass off items and gold to a main or other account. If they only banned the accounts that botted they would still have their main or other account. Usually they don’t use their main account for botting and all of their alt accounts are expendable. So with their main account left in tact, they would just create more accounts to keep botting because they don’t care about their alts.

And often times their alt accounts used for botting are hacked/stolen accounts, so it’s not their own accounts getting banned, which is why they don’t care if they get banned.

Taking away all accounts associated with them means they actually lose what they care about (their main).

Charrbeque.8729:

DeathReign.7821:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Thank you for helping us understand. Such a pity if they really were hacking, but they deserve it if they were.

Also, both accounts in that household were banned. Was this an IP ban? Why would one account being banned affect the other?
Or were both of their accounts found to be using a third-party program?

In a slightly related note, is there any word on hackers in PvP being banned? I have screenshots of a recent incident I encountered.

Botters usually have many alt accounts and use them to pass off items and gold to a main or other account. If they only banned the accounts that botted they would still have their main or other account. Usually they don’t use their main account for botting and all of their alt accounts are expendable. So with their main account left in tact, they would just create more accounts to keep botting because they don’t care about their alts.

And often times their alt accounts used for botting are hacked/stolen accounts, so it’s not their own accounts getting banned, which is why they don’t care if they get banned.

Taking away all accounts associated with them means they actually lose what they care about (their main).

Just another flaw in going partially F2P.

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say one ban was IP ban if I remember correct because I only watch it once before video private. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

Qugi.2653:

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say they got IP ban. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

Don’t get me wrong, if both accounts were found and proven to be botting, then both should be banned with no questions.

But only if both were actually botting. Blanketing it with an IP ban wouldn’t be fair to any honest players living in the same household.

DeathReign.7821:

Charrbeque.8729:

DeathReign.7821:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Customer Support has carefully reviewed the data that resulted in the termination of the game account in question. They verified that this account accessed 29 map points in under 60 seconds. It is not possible to accomplish this without the use of a third-party program, the kind of program that is expressly forbidden by our User Agreement and our Rules of Conduct.

Because of these facts, the account termination will not be reversed.

Thank you for helping us understand. Such a pity if they really were hacking, but they deserve it if they were.

Also, both accounts in that household were banned. Was this an IP ban? Why would one account being banned affect the other?
Or were both of their accounts found to be using a third-party program?

In a slightly related note, is there any word on hackers in PvP being banned? I have screenshots of a recent incident I encountered.

Botters usually have many alt accounts and use them to pass off items and gold to a main or other account. If they only banned the accounts that botted they would still have their main or other account. Usually they don’t use their main account for botting and all of their alt accounts are expendable. So with their main account left in tact, they would just create more accounts to keep botting because they don’t care about their alts.

And often times their alt accounts used for botting are hacked/stolen accounts, so it’s not their own accounts getting banned, which is why they don’t care if they get banned.

Taking away all accounts associated with them means they actually lose what they care about (their main).

Just another flaw in going partially F2P.

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Those housemates can quite possibly prove they are not the same person. Different credit cards and all that good stuff attached to their accounts. And quite possibly a different IP history. Such as both being online at the same time while being in different states when one went home to visit parents over the holidays.

The innocents I’m most sorry for are siblings where one cheats and the other doesn’t and they’re both using mom’s credit card. Then the innocent sibling can’t prove they aren’t their cheating sibling.

DeathReign.7821:

Qugi.2653:

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say they got IP ban. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

Don’t get me wrong, if both accounts were found and proven to be botting, then both should be banned with no questions.

But only if both were actually botting. Blanketing it with an IP ban wouldn’t be fair to any honest players living in the same household.

So as long at the botter doesn’t bot with their main account, they’re free to bot with their alts?

Seera.5916:

The innocents I’m most sorry for are siblings where one cheats and the other doesn’t and they’re both using mom’s credit card. Then the innocent sibling can’t prove they aren’t their cheating sibling.

A much better analogy, thanks for that. That doesn’t sound fair at all.

Well I do not think Anet do just IP ban like this. I think they use some other information to see if other account from same IP should be ban. I see some times person banned post from alternate account on forum to argue about ban. Ban account can not post on forum so if IP ban alternate account would be ban too and can not post in forum.

Dang. You’d think that someone who has an entire channel based on GW2 would know better than to cheat.

Ayrilana.1396:

DeathReign.7821:

Qugi.2653:

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say they got IP ban. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

Don’t get me wrong, if both accounts were found and proven to be botting, then both should be banned with no questions.

But only if both were actually botting. Blanketing it with an IP ban wouldn’t be fair to any honest players living in the same household.

So as long at the botter doesn’t bot with their main account, they’re free to bot with their alts?

I once lived in student accommodation, the way the network worked there? If Anet were to ban based on IP, they’d hit a good forty or so people at a time.

Ayrilana.1396:

So as long at the botter doesn’t bot with their main account, they’re free to bot with their alts?

I’m sure the resource gained through botting on the alt will be used to benefit the main in some way, right? Wouldn’t the identification of these links be key?

Cactus Brawler.7415:

Ayrilana.1396:

DeathReign.7821:

Qugi.2653:

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say they got IP ban. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

Don’t get me wrong, if both accounts were found and proven to be botting, then both should be banned with no questions.

But only if both were actually botting. Blanketing it with an IP ban wouldn’t be fair to any honest players living in the same household.

So as long at the botter doesn’t bot with their main account, they’re free to bot with their alts?

I once lived in student accommodation, the way the network worked there? If Anet were to ban based on IP, they’d hit a good forty or so people at a time.

And similar things have happened over wtfast when that was used by cheaters. A LOT of innocent players using wtfast to go around a problematic node got banned since cheaters were using those IP’s from wtfast. The ones caught in the crossfire but were innocent got the bans reversed.

Qugi.2653:

DeathReign.7821:

However, if only one of them were hacking/botting, isn’t it unfair to ban the other one as well? Imagine a house of room mates that all play the game. If one bots, all of them get banned? Hardly sounds fair.

Person in video is one say one ban was IP ban if I remember correct because I only watch it once before video private. Of course they also say they did not cheat and Gaile prove they did. So I wonder how honest person in video was.

More likely it is an hardware id ban and not an ip ban. Ip bans are useless.

DeathReign.7821:

Seera.5916:

The innocents I’m most sorry for are siblings where one cheats and the other doesn’t and they’re both using mom’s credit card. Then the innocent sibling can’t prove they aren’t their cheating sibling.

A much better analogy, thanks for that. That doesn’t sound fair at all.

Unfortunately too many people would lie about having a sibling if they got caught cheating.

Seera.5916:

DeathReign.7821:

Seera.5916:

The innocents I’m most sorry for are siblings where one cheats and the other doesn’t and they’re both using mom’s credit card. Then the innocent sibling can’t prove they aren’t their cheating sibling.

A much better analogy, thanks for that. That doesn’t sound fair at all.

Unfortunately too many people would lie about having a sibling if they got caught cheating.

I guess siblings can prove being separate people by activity/chat history. It’s rather hard to do different dungeons or meta events at the same time on different accounts. But yeah, quite a conundrum.

Bottom line should be that people should know better than to use bots…ESPECIALLY if they have an innocent lil bro or something playing on the same IP. :/

One never really knows who bots and who doesnt. This kinda proves that. That video’s comments (when I watched it), were all apologetic “I hope it gets sorted” types of comments, even one from arguably the biggest GW2 Youtuber out there. Then Gaile pretty much exposes the person, and the video is instantly made private. It’s sad, really. It especially irks me when the people get caught and then play the raging victim card.

Considering the threads with husbands lamenting their wives’ ban (or vice versa), with their own accounts in good standing, I’d be surprised to hear about blanket IP bans.