Guild Wars 2

Squee.7829:

Mounts (and even horses specifically) are sometimes referenced in really obscure places. The novels had horses randomly in a field and I’m pretty sure there’s a story about King Thorn riding or being knocked off of a horse sometime when he was alive.
In Guildwars 1 dwarves often rode on dolyaks (that loved knocking you down all the time) and even drakes. Canthans rode on turtles.
So Tyria has learned all about riding on animals, it’s just they choose not to because it’s an obsolete mode of transportation. The same reason we don’t ride horses today.
And the same reason people will stop buying cars if we ever discover a way to teleport to where we need to go for a few dollars.

We still ride horses today. So, you’re wrong.

Traversing places like Tyria, one would choose a motorcycle or a horse even today. Try driving your sedan in the mountains and hills without roads. You will soon learn how wrong you are.

Carighan.6758:

Soleil.1304:

An entire world with no mounts for player NOR NPC’s is just too unrealistic. Every civilization has used them and yet Tyria can’t figure out how to tame a few? How dumb are these inhabitants? I’m sure humans will have a chance against the centaurs if they had mounts. The tactical advantage is obvious and yet the humans don’t have a cavalry?

While you are correct that it seems unlikely that no one has mounts, do keep in mind mounts have – or probably have – gameplay implications you need to worry about.

The biggest two are:

• Enemy danger is lost as you traverse their sphere of influence faster. Some areas in HoT zones for example are very dangerous on foot, especially because they lack easily reachable spots to start gliding from. Mounts would partially or entirely trivialize these areas, robbing the world not only of danger, but also of believable setup. Something you want to achieve with mounts, not lose.
• Increased speed from mounts (if this is a thing? or same as OOC runspeed buff?) would decrease the effective size of the world. Granted given waypoints this is a comparatively minor thing in GW2, but it’d still exist. MMOs largely rely on their land size and sheer scale to provide space for players and make players who end up in proximity team up on the spot. Removing the scale is never a positive thing for a MMO.

These problems are minuscule compared the to positive implications of implementing mounts. Gameplay, lore, income, game update appeal… these will all be positively affected by it.

The problems you just mentioned really aren’t problems at all. At this point, it just sounds like you’re whining about a problem only you foresee just for the sake of arguing against a change. I don’t like your opinion for this reason.

Places without roads will opt to use horses because they can’t afford roads. Wether it be because it’s a poor country or because the terrain makes infrastructure too costly to bother with. Not because they think horses are pretty. And again, teleportation would make those obsolete. Especially if teleporting cost less than buying, caring for, and constantly feeding a large animal. Literally the only reason people would ride horses is for recreation.
So, not wrong. I challenge you to find any developed country with mass transit that still uses horses as its primary method of transportation.

Squee.7829:

Places without roads will opt to use horses because they can’t afford roads. Wether it be because it’s a poor country or because the terrain makes infrastructure too costly to bother with. Not because they think horses are pretty. And again, teleportation would make those obsolete. Especially if teleporting cost less than buying, caring for, and constantly feeding a large animal. Literally the only reason people would ride horses is for recreation.
So, not wrong. I challenge you to find any developed country with mass transit that still uses horses as its primary method of transportation.

I would remind you to look at gw2 terrain again. And then we’ll have this discussion.

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Soleil.1304:

Not with you no, you seem to be set on your opinions so I’m not going to humor you anymore. Just going to tell you facts and let you deal with it.

If you disagree, you’re wrong. End of story for you.

I took out the part about the mount but this was the best post you made. I laughed so your thread was worth reading.

I also agree just one mount is needed and make it cost 3000 gems. Your character shrinks in size and you ride in the rucksack of a skritt using a stick with a dangling shiny. Also the skirtt moves slower then normal speed and ikittengzag pattern.

vesica tempestas.1563:

i will ignore the ad hominem and qoute yourself:

’I just hate it when developers keep bringing back old stuff. If you like to repeat history and keep doing what you’ve been doing, you should go back to WoW. They’ll give you lots of the “same thing.”

Mounts that give speed boosts are old hat, they introduce lazy ‘ride past content’ behaviour, unless as i said at best they dont offer a speed boost’

The irony, in this game, is that people habitually skip things, in instances (like dungeons) and yet they, apparently (according to you), shouldn’t be allowed to skip things, via mounts, in openworld.

It’s all the wrong way around…

Instances are the places where things should be more intense and unskippable; not openworld.

You shouldn’t have to go to an instance for a rest, lol.

Not only that, but people can already run (and/or stealth – depending on class) past stuff in openworld, anyway.

Mounts wouldn’t, necessarily, change that and even if they did, so what?

This prevailing “No fun must be had.” attitude is just bizarre.

I’m not used to being the least serious person in a group and quite frankly, I don’t like it…

Also, this attempt people are making, to cover-up their actual, un-fun, Competitive Dad type personalities, with corny jokes, is not helping anything.

It’s just highlighting how ridiculously overly-serious games have become, lately, in contrast.

Two.1627:

I also agree just one mount is needed and make it cost 3000 gems. Your character shrinks in size and you ride in the rucksack of a skritt using a stick with a dangling shiny. Also the skirtt moves slower then normal speed and ikittengzag pattern.

How about a zag zig one?

zenleto.6179:

Two.1627:

I also agree just one mount is needed and make it cost 3000 gems. Your character shrinks in size and you ride in the rucksack of a skritt using a stick with a dangling shiny. Also the skirtt moves slower then normal speed and ikittengzag pattern.

How about a zag zig one?

Thanks man. ikittengzag sounds pretty good too.

Two.1627:

zenleto.6179:

Two.1627:

I also agree just one mount is needed and make it cost 3000 gems. Your character shrinks in size and you ride in the rucksack of a skritt using a stick with a dangling shiny. Also the skirtt moves slower then normal speed and ikittengzag pattern.

How about a zag zig one?

Thanks man. ikittengzag sounds pretty good too.

It does at that. I can just imagine a skritt muttering “ikittengzag” every third step. Possibly while swigging out of a bottle. The whole thing seems like a winner.

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

Squee.7829:

Mounts (and even horses specifically) are sometimes referenced in really obscure places. The novels had horses randomly in a field and I’m pretty sure there’s a story about King Thorn riding or being knocked off of a horse sometime when he was alive.
In Guildwars 1 dwarves often rode on dolyaks (that loved knocking you down all the time) and even drakes. Canthans rode on turtles.
So Tyria has learned all about riding on animals, it’s just they choose not to because it’s an obsolete mode of transportation. The same reason we don’t ride horses today.
And the same reason people will stop buying cars if we ever discover a way to teleport to where we need to go for a few dollars.

Firstly, we can’t teleport to where we want to go.

We can teleport to near where we want to go, at best and quite often, not even that near, at all.

Secondly, even if we could teleport right to the front door of the place we want to go, people like mounts.

I realise most of the players this game has managed to retain either don’t like them, or (more likely) don’t care that much either way.

But, this game could have had far more players than that.

People who particularly like mounts will have, inevitably, steered away from playing the game, on hearing it doesn’t have (and will never have) them.

Or, they will have left, after hearing that.

At this point, I doubt Anet will change their minds, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was, almost certainly, a mistake to ignore the millions of (especially) boys/men who love them, possibly more than they like anything else in games.

Every single guy I ever spoke to, in WoW, was obsessed with mounts and spent inordinant amounts of time trying to acquire new ones.

I would happily bet everything I own that the vast majority of them would still have loved mounts and collected them, even with waypoints in that game; because, it wasn’t about getting from A to B.

They could have done that on just a basic mount and not bothered with collecting any of the others.

If that is, even vaguely, typical, Anet have seriously missed a trick here and continue to do so, but whatever.

I’m not their accountant.

BTW, just asked my boyfriend if he would still use a car, if we had similar waypoints IRL to the ones in GW2 and he said he still would, now and then.

So, yeah…

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

All these mount threads mount to nothing.

As long as you understand it’s better to have no mount, than to be mounted by your mount or the need to read the thread(s) regarding mounts….

I think I’m sure this stuff is just a mountain of text about mounts, and I’m not waiting to have it reach the amount of positive reviews. And I’m sure you’ll be sure this is a mountain which will not be scaled as mounting an expedition to get mounts is a serious waste of time, which already amounts to days if not weeks of lost time due to the mountain of posts created by the mountain of people trying to mount arguements for or against mounts.

And it still mounts up to nothing: you need to drill to find mounts or sweep this subject, being mounts, under the carpet with a broom.

And thats about it… for mounts. I hope I mounted a good post about the amount of useless time spend to get useless mounts.

I hope this post doesn’t amount to things which need to be corrected as I think I mounted a good defence against the introduction of mounts.

Oh and sorry for the typo’s, the mountain of those still amazes me. each time I try to add something the number seems to mount…

Before I even get to talk about mounts let me say this. If we were to have mounts in this game, NO GEM STORE ONLY. I recall games that have failed because they took a game mechanic of some kind and made it a cash shop only thing. People left the game in droves followed shortly after with the games going offline. The magic carpet and what not is fine because they are just eye candy nothing more. But as soon as you make it something “cool” and highly desirable you have to pay an arm and a leg for then the line is crossed.

I see no reason for mounts in this game. Traditionally mounts was derived to make travel faster in MMOs to retain immersion in a fantasy world that didn’t have magic (or magic+tech) that could teleport you long distances. In one game I know of they came up with the idea of mounted combat but then that is only on special mounts and only in one special area of the game. Which left the traditional mounts for only the getting from point A to B faster since again the fantasy world of the game did not have any form of teleportation to travel.

Guess what we get gliders in Heart of Thorns. Guess what they are useless outside of those zones. This kind of thing seems silly to me that they add something new like that but then make it unusable for most of the game. It’s not like the gliders stop functioning anywhere else because there is no air or anything to glide on. I think mounts would be equally as useless as having gliders that can’t be used everywhere it is technically possible to glide but can’t because they set some code flag that says “NOT HERE”.

If it is a “I want to move much faster” because I’m doing such and such and want to get to each spot faster because these distances are much shorter and so waypoint travel doesn’t make sense for these activities. Then we just need more types of speed buffs that help with that or better information to get the ones we need if we already have them in the game but don’t know about them.

All that is left is the “oh look at me I’m on a mount” and I’m not sure that is enough to justify the time and expense needed to have mounts. How many people do you see using the existing mount like things they put in the gem store? I never see anyone using them and I run into 1000s of people every day. I think that pretty much sums it up, they would be wasting their time and resources.

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

Then don’t call it Mounts will save this game. You are trying to hide behind an old topic that has been dismissed time and time again. It’s why Anet has kept all discussions about mounts merged. Start a topic about what you do to ‘save’ the game and exclude mounts. It is nothing more than an attempt to resurrect a dead topic.

Doam.8305:

Game needed mounts and that’s something no one has ever managed to successfully argue against and thus it isn’t truly a dead horse.

Sez, you. The Devs, three years of live game, and a few thousand posts sticking a sword in its eye say otherwise.

We didn’t get mounts before and Anet was basically like “NO”, now we have a gliding mechanic, which is a balanced transportation method and people still think there is a chance to get mounts? What a significant lack of sense.

Actually, just came back to edit because after some thinking, you DID get mounts in HoT with gliders. Anet is clever like that.

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Obtena.7952:

We didn’t get mounts before and Anet was basically like “NO”, now we have a gliding mechanic, which is a balanced transportation method and people still think there is a chance to get mounts? What a significant lack of sense.

Actually, just came back to edit because after some thinking, you DID get mounts in HoT with gliders. Anet is clever like that.

I can’t believe I’m still doing this… Please look up the definition of mount. Glider is not a mount. Thanks.

Blude.6812:

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

Then don’t call it Mounts will save this game. You are trying to hide behind an old topic that has been dismissed time and time again. It’s why Anet has kept all discussions about mounts merged. Start a topic about what you do to ‘save’ the game and exclude mounts. It is nothing more than an attempt to resurrect a dead topic.

Pheonix.

Jia Shen.4217:

Before I even get to talk about mounts let me say this. If we were to have mounts in this game, NO GEM STORE ONLY. I recall games that have failed because they took a game mechanic of some kind and made it a cash shop only thing. People left the game in droves followed shortly after with the games going offline. The magic carpet and what not is fine because they are just eye candy nothing more. But as soon as you make it something “cool” and highly desirable you have to pay an arm and a leg for then the line is crossed.

I see no reason for mounts in this game. Traditionally mounts was derived to make travel faster in MMOs to retain immersion in a fantasy world that didn’t have magic (or magic+tech) that could teleport you long distances. In one game I know of they came up with the idea of mounted combat but then that is only on special mounts and only in one special area of the game. Which left the traditional mounts for only the getting from point A to B faster since again the fantasy world of the game did not have any form of teleportation to travel.

Guess what we get gliders in Heart of Thorns. Guess what they are useless outside of those zones. This kind of thing seems silly to me that they add something new like that but then make it unusable for most of the game. It’s not like the gliders stop functioning anywhere else because there is no air or anything to glide on. I think mounts would be equally as useless as having gliders that can’t be used everywhere it is technically possible to glide but can’t because they set some code flag that says “NOT HERE”.

If it is a “I want to move much faster” because I’m doing such and such and want to get to each spot faster because these distances are much shorter and so waypoint travel doesn’t make sense for these activities. Then we just need more types of speed buffs that help with that or better information to get the ones we need if we already have them in the game but don’t know about them.

All that is left is the “oh look at me I’m on a mount” and I’m not sure that is enough to justify the time and expense needed to have mounts. How many people do you see using the existing mount like things they put in the gem store? I never see anyone using them and I run into 1000s of people every day. I think that pretty much sums it up, they would be wasting their time and resources.

Thank you for your personal opinion. Which I and others think is very wrong.

Mounts that give 10%-15% increased speed would not put anyone at an advantage because we already have mechanisms for that. Therefore, we do not NEED a free version of a mount. Everyone is still equal. No real need for balancing issues. The mount should be a Gem-Store item. We need to support ANET with our $$. It’ll make the game better trust me.

The need for a mount is much bigger than that. As I had mentioned before: Update, income, lore, variety and many other reasons point to the benefit of mounts. The ones I’m most concerned about is the lore and income. Mostly because low stocks and low income means slower updates and less content, and as I had mentioned in the OP, these are intelligent beings! It would be natural to have mounts which is completely missing due to a misguided innovation.

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

I have not even read the OP but I had to comment since it doesn’t matter if its serious or mocking: The title alone gave me a good chuckle.

Soleil.1304:

Thank you for your personal opinion. Which I and others think is very wrong.

And Anet disagrees with you, just pointing that out

Soleil.1304:

Mounts that give 10%-15% increased speed would not put anyone at an advantage because we already have mechanisms for that. Therefore, we do not NEED a free version of a mount. Everyone is still equal. No real need for balancing issues. The mount should be a Gem-Store item. We need to support ANET with our $$. It’ll make the game better trust me.

Speed bonus on top of every other speed bonus = advantage.

Soleil.1304:

The need for a mount is much bigger than that. As I had mentioned before: Update, income, lore, variety and many other reasons point to the benefit of mounts. The ones I’m most concerned about is the lore and income. Mostly because low stocks and low income means slower updates and less content, and as I had mentioned in the OP, these are intelligent beings! It would be natural to have mounts which is completely missing due to a misguided innovation.

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

You must look harder and come to a full understanding.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

We didn’t get mounts before and Anet was basically like “NO”, now we have a gliding mechanic, which is a balanced transportation method and people still think there is a chance to get mounts? What a significant lack of sense.

Actually, just came back to edit because after some thinking, you DID get mounts in HoT with gliders. Anet is clever like that.

I can’t believe I’m still doing this… Please look up the definition of mount. Glider is not a mount. Thanks.

I can, because you don’t seem to see that there are so many things in this game that don’t follow traditional ideas of things you see in typical MMO’s. There is no formal definition of what a mount is in an MMO, though I’m sure you’ve already heard that. Anet has always done things that are off the beaten path. Gliders are their version of mounts, even if it goes against traditional sensibilities. The game doesn’t thrive because Anet gives players things in the traditional sense and there are TONS of examples of that; this is just one of them.

GW2 doesn’t need mounts in the traditional sense and it’s laughable to think that singular thing would be what saves a game that doesn’t need saving. Is it really your thinking that giving players a feature they have seen over and over again in any other MMO is what will ‘save’ the game? That’s nonsense.

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

You must look harder and come to a full understanding.

Or you can provide the evidence, if it exists.
If your next post doesn’t provide it we can simply assume it doesn’t.

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

Soleil.1304:

Thank you for your personal opinion. Which I and others think is very wrong.

Mounts that give 10%-15% increased speed would not put anyone at an advantage because we already have mechanisms for that. Therefore, we do not NEED a free version of a mount. Everyone is still equal. No real need for balancing issues. The mount should be a Gem-Store item. We need to support ANET with our $$. It’ll make the game better trust me.

The need for a mount is much bigger than that. As I had mentioned before: Update, income, lore, variety and many other reasons point to the benefit of mounts. The ones I’m most concerned about is the lore and income. Mostly because low stocks and low income means slower updates and less content, and as I had mentioned in the OP, these are intelligent beings! It would be natural to have mounts which is completely missing due to a misguided innovation.

So what you are saying is we need to go faster? If that is the only reason for mounts then additional speed buffs is all we need. Not mounts. Again I’m not seeing the argument for mounts here. The because other games have them is not an argument for why any other game should have them. Again aside from the fact that in all other games the method of travel is only moving your character manually from point A to B by foot or on a mount (mount being a disguised method of increased movement speed).

As to game lore, there is no specific acceptance or refusal by the “people” of the world to riding on animals. At least as far as I know. But again since the lore is magic+tech that teleports us around more or less makes traveling on the back of animals more or less meaningless. We do have pack animals for transportation of good over short distances augmented by the asura gate travel to cut our the long distance part of the journey. If you and others would be so kind as to enlighten us as to how riding on the back of animals makes the lore of the game better I’m listening.

Now as far as their income is concerned. I don’t think there is an issue there. Last I checked the game was very healthy in that regard. We are talking something like 20 million USD per quarter here. And currently over 7 million players. That I believe puts GW2 at #3 or #4 is the top 10 populated games without searching around for the official statements from other game companies to definitively rank them. So again I’m not seeing how mounts vs any other addition to the gem store that could equally continue to bring in money is an argument that says they have to be in the game or else. But again I’m listening for why this would be better than anything else they could put in there.

And lastly, I in now way was saying that mounts shouldn’t increase movement speed. Or that anyone with one would have some sort of advantage over someone who doesn’t. I simply do not see any logical or otherwise reasoning behind having them in GW2 besides the “oh look at me I’m on a mount”. Again I’m listening for explanations to convince me that this is something we need or want in this game. I’m just not seeing the point along with a lot of others. Otherwise I think we would see more people with those few mount like things in the gem store already and we don’t. In fact I dare say there is practically nobody that uses those few things.

OP has not shown any correlation that mounts would improve the game, much less save it. Claiming a feature would save the game, just so you can get cheap runspeed boost is not all that clever.

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

Squee.7829:

And I’ll remind you that teleporting through a dense jungle is still infinitely preferable to riding a horse/motorcycle through it. Terrain isn’t an issue. It’s not worth discussing.

Please read the comments before you post yours. We’ve already addressed the teleport vs mount issue. If you’re not going to read up on the conversation, don’t expect us to entertain your uninformed comments out of the blue recesses of your mind.

And yet saying that, you haven’t read all the posts yourself and haven’t answered this question which people have repeatedly asked:

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Haha I already answered this. Moving on.

Where?
Can’t find any post that quotes and replies those questions in your post history.

You must look harder and come to a full understanding.

Or you can provide the evidence, if it exists.
If your next post doesn’t provide it we can simply assume it doesn’t.

Go read man don’t be so lazy.

I’ll post it here again though.

I didn’t know mobs had mounts. Wow the alliance is dumber than the mobs.
Hunters have pets that are more than big enough to ride, yet never does… Just dumb, very very dumb. Every tribe in historical existence has used animals as mounts if they were able to tame big enough livestock.
We have helicopters and way-points but still can’t tame an animal to ride. Again, very illogical.
Movement speed is not the goal here. The goal is to do what civilized society usually does: use a means of transport other than just walking or running (which is quite primitive). Just provide 15% movement speed bonus that can be overridden by using speed buffs. In other words, let us use skills while riding (just like a knight on horseback can use their skills, just not their feet). A speed buff should affect the mount because a hunter’s buff already affects the pet, there’s nothing weird about it at all.
What I am saying is that GW2 seems like they are forcing the walk/run idea simply because they don’t want to be like “all the others.” The reality is that this makes no sense in a logical pursuit of a world that has intelligent creatures that are able to “think.”
By forcing the “walk” you dumb down the thinking capacity of the inhabitants. We have helicopters but no bicycles/motorcycles/scooters/cars/mounts/vehicles for land transport? Really? You think this makes sense?
Again, I just simply think mounts has a place in any intelligent society and GW2 is, I hope, intelligent. Also, if you look at the plummeting stock values for Anet and GW2, they do need saving. The 1700 gems will boost ANET income and allow them to hire more skilled engineers to make the game better. This is a win for all of us.

Something new and beneficial is progress.
Teleportation does not have to be taken out. They are two modes of transport and neither one can replace the other. They can be mutually exclusive so stop comparing the two.

Mounts is new for GW2, it is progress for this game at least, and will help the income and the overall experience for the players.

It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.
It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.
From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.
A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”

The reason why I said this was because he and others kept telling me that mounts can be found in other games. This, although not direct, can cause me and others to just give up and actually go to those other games. How is this beneficial to our player base?
I do not wish to simply “go play another game” if I wanted to, I would not have made this post in the first place.
I love this game, and I sincerely think that mounts will save this game. Yes there are other things that needs improvement, but I think Anet is already doing a good job at fixing those things. Somethings take awhile to fix, and I think they’re doing a good job in that arena.
This mount idea is something I believe should have happened a long time ago. I still don’t think it’s too late yet. The change will be dramatic and could even be used as a welcome-back event of sorts.
It would be nice to have a game-changing update such as this, without having to pay an expansion price for it. Because a lot of the community feel that they paid a price for a new game, only to get a small update called HoT.

Stock prices are at 78 compared to June 2015 When it was at 86. So even after the release, they are not doing so hot.

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

more money =/= better game. Or else WoW would never have fallen as much as it has

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

you are now trying to pit Real world logic with logic of a world filled with talking cat people, magic, dragons, and teleportation

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

I stated earlier this isnt a thread where the OP wants to discuss, its his way or the highway. He’s right, everyone else is wrong. I’m here merely for the entertainment as he twists himself more and more into a pretzel to sound smart

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Guess you’re right, at least we tried.
Have fun, mounted savior of the game.

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Welcome back Panda. Again, I addressed it and posted again in collected form. You can leave me alone yes so go already? lol.

Soleil.1304:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Welcome back Panda. Again, I addressed it and posted again in collected form. You can leave me alone yes so go already? lol.

Hey now, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth (hey, there’s your mount), I’m just telling people to stop picking on you, since you’re clearly having problems fending them off

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

sadly yeah. if anything, I can see why they move to reddit more and more, since at least there threads like this could be downvoted by the community and not bothered with

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Again, it’s not about just the mount. It’s about saving this game. Stock prices are still too low. And, mounts would be a natural pleasant boost to the income as well as the lore.

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Yeah, it seems most of them are on vacation. Curse them for being humans with human needs and weaknesses.

Pandaman.4758:

Soleil.1304:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Welcome back Panda. Again, I addressed it and posted again in collected form. You can leave me alone yes so go already? lol.

Hey now, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth (hey, there’s your mount), I’m just telling people to stop picking on you, since you’re clearly having problems fending them off

whatevah! whatevah! i do what I want!

How to save this game.

Introduce more kittens

A big solid no. Mounts won’t add anything but more clutter to the game, and there’s too much as it is. And as repeated countless times already, the games design does not need them.

If you can’t take a couple to few minutes to run from one side of a map to another or simply ask for help to get through some maps, then tough luck. If that’s even a problem for anyone.

mXz.4512:

A big solid no. Mounts won’t add anything but more clutter to the game, and there’s too much as it is. And as repeated countless times already, the games design does not need them.

If you can’t take a couple to few minutes to run from one side of a map to another or simply ask for help to get through some maps, then tough luck. If that’s even a problem for anyone.

Again, you’re missing the whole point lol.

Pandaman.4758:

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Yeah, it seems most of them are on vacation. Curse them for being humans with human needs and weaknesses.

Hmm too bad they aren’t Asura.

Pandaman.4758:

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Yeah, it seems most of them are on vacation. Curse them for being humans with human needs and weaknesses.

Nope a moderator has already contacted me.

Again, I’m also addressing lore and income. It’s not just about mounts.