Guild Wars 2

vesica tempestas.1563:

Mounts that give speed boosts are old hat, they introduce lazy ‘ride past content’ behaviour, unless as i said at best they dont offer a speed boost’

Not having mounts doesn’t make GW2 superior, much as you’d like to think it does.

In fact, with its ‘point and click’ teleport system GW2 is a lot easier than most other MMOs to insta-port across the entire game-world .. at least in WOW you have to make the effort to get to a flight master and then make a ride that can be up to 20+ minutes from one end of a continent to the other.

that wasnt the point.

vesica tempestas.1563:

i will ignore the ad hominem and qoute yourself:

’I just hate it when developers keep bringing back old stuff. If you like to repeat history and keep doing what you’ve been doing, you should go back to WoW. They’ll give you lots of the “same thing.”

Mounts that give speed boosts are old hat, they introduce lazy ‘ride past content’ behaviour, unless as i said at best they dont offer a speed boost’

You’re wrong. We already have “ride past content behavior” already.

There are other ways to be creative other than just deleting a core aspect of what it means to be an intelligent being. In this case mounts. If GW2 is trying to be “Creative” by taking away mounts, it isn’t. Being creative would be playing around with the concept. Simply taking it out is just giving up.

Making us stick to walking is going back further than the stone age. Much more primitive than that. As someone else stated before, even mobs have mounts… That should tell you that even the mobs figured it out, while we still haven’t? Just doesn’t compute.

Soleil.1304:

Not with you no, you seem to be set on your opinions so I’m not going to humor you anymore. Just going to tell you facts and let you deal with it.

Mounts is new for GW2, it is progress for this game at least, and will help the income and the overall experience for the players.

If you disagree, you’re wrong. End of story for you.

Hey, I’m the one asking questions, you can feel free to try to convince me or act like a child and throw weak “you just don’t see it” one-liners and act indignant because I’m not blindly agreeing with you despite you refusing to even try to defend your argument.

I’ve actually just thought of a new system that would make mounts beneficial without impacting game balance, much like how the HoT maps made gliding an actual benefit rather than just another travel skin, but I’ll keep it to myself. I’m not here to fight your arguments for you.

GW1 was a wonderful game and did not have fast mounts, not every game has to be the same. As for stone age, well this is a game, if every game was the same it would be dull, there are many many mmorpg with mounts, choice is good.

Goodbye Pandaman.

Soleil.1304:

vesica, please refrain from promoting other games on forums.

Uh, you can mention other games. I saw no promotion (i.e. telling people in large numbers to play it because it’s ‘better’), only pointing out what another game does that’s different.

I’m still intrigued as to how you think mounts themselves will ‘save’ the game and solve the issues in each area. As far as I can see, mounts won’t ‘save’ WvW for example. It won’t make mobs easier in HoT for those who struggle. It won’t make the 10k drinks for Wintersday Presence any easier/cheaper.

ANet have plenty of money, they’re just not directing it as wisely as a lot of people feel they should. Mounts wouldn’t necessarily solve that, no matter how much you’d like it to be that way. There are loads of other things that would fit more fluidly (and are more desired) into the game that would generate the money you claim ANet needs to ‘save’ it.

azorean.1850:

i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.

It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

vesica, please refrain from promoting other games on forums.

There are loads of other things that would fit more fluidly (and are more desired) into the game that would generate the money you claim ANet needs to ‘save’ it.

Well I do have to agree with this.

BUT, The “monthly” BL weapon skins have been lucrative. I would imagine mounts would be as well. I do understand they have many options, I just think the absence of mounts is very strange (I felt this way since launch and thought they would add it on later) and could be improved in a way that benefits ANet.

Zelanard.5806:

azorean.1850:

i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.

It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…

It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.

It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.

From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.

A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”

Bellatrixa.3546:

Soleil.1304:

vesica, please refrain from promoting other games on forums.

Uh, you can mention other games. I saw no promotion (i.e. telling people in large numbers to play it because it’s ‘better’), only pointing out what another game does that’s different.

The reason why I said this was because he and others kept telling me that mounts can be found in other games. This, although not direct, can cause me and others to just give up and actually go to those other games. How is this beneficial to our player base?

I do not wish to simply “go play another game” if I wanted to, I would not have made this post in the first place.

I love this game, and I sincerely think that mounts will save this game. Yes there are other things that needs improvement, but I think Anet is already doing a good job at fixing those things. Somethings take awhile to fix, and I think they’re doing a good job in that arena.

This mount idea is something I believe should have happened a long time ago. I still don’t think it’s too late yet. The change will be dramatic and could even be used as a welcome-back event of sorts.

It would be nice to have a game-changing update such as this, without having to pay an expansion price for it. Because a lot of the community feel that they paid a price for a new game, only to get a small update called HoT.

To sum up this thread: the OP proclaims infalibilty, knowledge of the future (will give anet monies to “save” the game(no idea the game was dying and inb4 you can just see it)), and if you don’t agree with him you are just wrong and should flatout leave.

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

LastHope.8127:

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

I hate map completion so I don’t like this idea. However, it does keep the waypoints useful. Just one more idea to throw in, but I think we still agree: mounts would be an exciting update.

Soleil.1304:

Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.

What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”

Soleil.1304:

LastHope.8127:

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

I hate map completion so I don’t like this idea. However, it does keep the waypoints useful. Just one more idea to throw in, but I think we still agree: mounts would be an exciting update.

For a minority.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Soleil.1304:

LastHope.8127:

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

I hate map completion so I don’t like this idea. However, it does keep the waypoints useful. Just one more idea to throw in, but I think we still agree: mounts would be an exciting update.

For a minority.

No, just no. We have enough posts to support the claim that it is more in the majority.

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.

What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”

Okay well then lets keep it simple.

I’m right.

So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!

And then it draws down to a child holding their breath

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.

What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”

Okay well then lets keep it simple.

I’m right.

So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!

And then it draws down to a child holding their breath

No, it is the entire mount community. Clearly you don’t see the magnificent beauty of mounts. That’s okay, but try not to get in our way.

Posting in an epic thread that shall soon get merged.

It’s distinct commonness will be soon added to the collective (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/page/31#post5738618) and ultimately forgotten.

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.

What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”

Okay well then lets keep it simple.

I’m right.

So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!

And then it draws down to a child holding their breath

No, it is the entire mount community. Clearly you don’t see the magnificent beauty of mounts. That’s okay, but try not to get in our way.

A very small community

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Well, at least this thread should have some consistency. I stand by my post. If you don’t agree with me, of course I’m going to think you’re wrong. That should be a given.

What’s consistent is we gt a thread about mounts at least twice a month now. The horse is so dead and beaten that people don’t even try anymore and its down to “I’m right, you’re wrong. Nyah nyah!”

Okay well then lets keep it simple.

I’m right.

So lets gooooo get some mounts in!!!

And then it draws down to a child holding their breath

No, it is the entire mount community. Clearly you don’t see the magnificent beauty of mounts. That’s okay, but try not to get in our way.

A very small community

Like I said, No.

Soleil.1304:

Zelanard.5806:

azorean.1850:

i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.

It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…

It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.

It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.

From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.

A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”

And where does this idea of an exodus come from? The only exodus I know of, is the one from wvw/pvp to pve…
Sure there’s a few people leaving because of the economy, but no, I don’t think the game needs saving… on the contrary as far as I can see the game is running smoothly as ever. People have been babbling about this since launch and yet, Anet have sold more than 5million copies of the game prior to HoT being released.
I can in no way feel in game that people should be leaving, on the contrary it seems more populated than ever…

First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.

But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.

And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.

Cadmius.5421:

First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.

But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.

And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.

Those games failed due to other problems. Mounts were not the problem. Rather mounts have always been sought after. They still are.

Cadmius.5421:

First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.

But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.

And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.

Brethren, hear ye this man, for behold he speak truth!

Zelanard.5806:

Soleil.1304:

Zelanard.5806:

azorean.1850:

i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.

It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…

It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.

It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.

From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.

A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”

And where does this idea of an exodus come from? The only exodus I know of, is the one from wvw/pvp to pve…
Sure there’s a few people leaving because of the economy, but no, I don’t think the game needs saving… on the contrary as far as I can see the game is running smoothly as ever. People have been babbling about this since launch and yet, Anet have sold more than 5million copies of the game prior to HoT being released.
I can in no way feel in game that people should be leaving, on the contrary it seems more populated than ever…

Very simple answer to this post.

Compare the copies sold and the # players actively playing. The Exodus is clear.

Saying mounts would save the game is like saying traveling is somehow a big issue. Of all the things I’ve heard people complain about in GW2, travel has never come up. Say what you will about anything else, but this game freaking nailed moving about the maps.
Mounts would do literally nothing but give you something pretty to sit on. Traveling is already instantaneous. And while, despite being next to useless, people still demand mounts. And that’s fine. I don’t mean to say there’s anything wrong with wanting mounts. But if this game really needs saving, adding a useless animal/object to sit on that has no real function will not be the thing that does it.

Zelanard.5806:

Cadmius.5421:

First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.

But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.

And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.

Brethren, hear ye this man, for behold he speak truth!

like I said, those games failed due to other problems. Don’t try to blame mounts for that lol. No, mounts were always a good addition to gameplay. Some mmos, it was the only good thing which is saying a lot.

Squee.7829:

Saying mounts would save the game is like saying traveling is somehow a big issue. Of all the things I’ve heard people complain about in GW2, travel has never come up. Say what you will about anything else, but this game freaking nailed moving about the maps.
Mounts would do literally nothing but give you something pretty to sit on. Traveling is already instantaneous. And while, despite being next to useless, people still demand mounts. And that’s fine. I don’t mean to say there’s anything wrong with wanting mounts. But if this game really needs saving, adding a useless animal/object to sit on that has no real function will not be the thing that does it.

You’d be surprised how such a simple thing you overlook can actually be groundbreaking. This one is. I am sure of it

Soleil.1304:

Zelanard.5806:

Soleil.1304:

Zelanard.5806:

azorean.1850:

i wouldnt mind mounts but i didnt knew this game needed to be saved.

It doesn’t… its just all those stressed out people who don’t get what they want right here and now who are leaving because the game have some challenging moments that no other games provide…

It’s not a big problem if a couple of people leave because of this reason.

It becomes a huge problem when you have a mass exodus.

From 1-10 in terms of urgency, I’d say we’re at about 6 in terms of needing salvation.

A game like Diablo 3 would be at around 15. “Begone already.”

And where does this idea of an exodus come from? The only exodus I know of, is the one from wvw/pvp to pve…
Sure there’s a few people leaving because of the economy, but no, I don’t think the game needs saving… on the contrary as far as I can see the game is running smoothly as ever. People have been babbling about this since launch and yet, Anet have sold more than 5million copies of the game prior to HoT being released.
I can in no way feel in game that people should be leaving, on the contrary it seems more populated than ever…

Very simple answer to this post.

Compare the copies sold and the # players actively playing. The Exodus is clear.

How many active players are there? Everyone seems to have this information, but they never share it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

Soleil: You suggest that “Mounts will save this game”.

Question:

1. What do you propose the game need saving from?
2. How will the introduction of Mounts facilitate this redemption?

Beacuse Swiftness, Superspeed, Shadowstepping and Signets don’t constitute fast enough movement.

You can run from one end of the largest maps to the other in a matter of minutes. How fast do you want?

Soleil.1304:

An entire world with no mounts for player NOR NPC’s is just too unrealistic. Every civilization has used them and yet Tyria can’t figure out how to tame a few?

I don’t think the pre-Columbian Mesoamericans (Like the Aztecs and Mayas) used any.

There is some history in Tyria of mounts, dolyaks have been used as mounts by dwarves and horse skeletons by undead. However, I wouldn’t know whether a dolyak is fast enough to be a usefull mount for a human (nor exactly why the Stone Summit used them, as only their monks did) and I don’t think I’ve seen a living horse in a Guild Wars game, so they may well be extinct (although the concept of a horse seems to survive).

Species usable as mounts are quite rare, there’s horses, camels and elephants as far as I know. I guess you could ride something slower than a walking human, but that’d kind of defeat the point.

Game needed mounts and that’s something no one has ever managed to successfully argue against and thus it isn’t truly a dead horse.

However instead of the simply mount system anet instead went with the useless clutter route. Swiftness, SuperSpeed, Traits, Runes, WP(WP are farther apart in HoT), S. Step, Signets, Speed Mushrooms, cosmetic mini mounts, gliding, and much more exist in the game and all of it is a pile of overlapping and useless clutter. Your builds are basically handicapped because many trait or slot for speed for example.

All of that and more that will no doubt happen in the future already exists in this game and it’s all pointless clutter and dev time which can all be given the boot with a simple mount system. More importantly the mount system is even superior to this cluster**** we have today since your not stacking, recasting, and so forth to keep up your speed.

Mounts are too little to late

Lastly if we had mounts then maybe the map desing wouldn’t be tiny little cut of sections and corridors as it currently is in HoT.

even though we have waypoints and asura gates, many of us actually enjoy riding our months across the beautiful maps of this game. I don’t really think it will happen becuase it’s probably too late, but just saying that having waypoints does not replace mounts for that reason.

Doam.8305:

Game needed mounts and that’s something no one has ever managed to successfully argue against and thus it isn’t truly a dead horse.

Nobody has ever successfully argued in favor of this game needing mounts as far as I know (the argument always seems to be “I want it” and/or “other games have it”).

If nobody successfully argues we do need them we can reasonably say we don’t need them. (whether they would be a positive addition to the game or not is an entirely different argument.)

Doam.8305:

However instead of the simply mount system anet instead went with the useless clutter route. Swiftness, SuperSpeed, Traits, Runes, WP(WP are farther apart in HoT), S. Step, Signets, Speed Mushrooms, cosmetic mini mounts, gliding, and much more exist in the game and all of it is a pile of overlapping and useless clutter. Your builds are basically handicapped because many trait or slot for speed for example.

All of that and more that will no doubt happen in the future already exists in this game and it’s all pointless clutter and dev time which can all be given the boot with a simple mount system. More importantly the mount system is even superior to this cluster**** we have today since your not stacking, recasting, and so forth to keep up your speed.

Mounts are too little to late

Lastly if we had mounts then maybe the map desing wouldn’t be tiny little cut of sections and corridors as it currently is in HoT.

I agree there is a design flaw in how out of combat speed is handled. However that could be fixed by giving a 25% boost to out of combat speed and letting speed boosts not work out of combat; except in PvP, which would problaby be better off with the current mechanics.
Which seems like a far simpler solution than mounts to me.

Not that my opinion makes any difference but I vote no to mounts. I find it nice that I can go to the vendor or TB and not have them hidden by people not dismounting.

Maybe I’m just getting cranky in my old age but not being ‘mount twerked’ while trying to sell my inventory junk is awesome.

1. 1700 gems is a lot.
2.. Most civilizations of a “medieval” time don’t have instant time transportation, where you can go across the world and still be at the same second as you were when you went through.
3. Mounts are technically in the gem store already. Broomstick, Drill, Carpet.

Soleil.1304:

I’m sure humans will have a chance against the centaurs if they had mounts. The tactical advantage is obvious and yet the humans don’t have a cavalry?

How about….CENTAUR MOUNTS?! Kill two birds with one stone! Why defeat the centaurs when you can break them in and tame them into being ridable mounts?! And they would be way more intelligent than a silly normal horse!

Reverence.6915:

Mounts won’t save this game. A complete 180 redirection from PvE development towards sPvP and WvW development will save this game.

No, only thing that will save this game is completely drop all PvP aspects and put 100% effort on PvE, after all the majority plays PvE (and the majority pays for the rest, try to get a company to finance a game on PvP only, LMAO)

I’m curious about two things pointed out here

a) To the people who claim the game needs saving, it’s doing real bad, it’s gonna die!!1! and anyone that compares “some numbers” out there will come to the same conclussion, can you please provide your source? Remember your source must have a very large sample size, game has at least 3.5m paid accounts and 7m since the f2p release according the Anet’s own infographic.

b) To the people who claim mounts will save us from our doom and that noone has ever argued agaisn’t it succesfully, can you please argue in favor for it? Things like “I want it!” or “it worked in that other game” or “whoever disagress with me is wrong, na na na naaaa!” are not valid arguments.

Thanks in advance.

I’m happy with my mesmer “mimic/blink”.

Soleil.1304:

Cadmius.5421:

First they walked, then they ran, then they ran a little faster, then they rode, then they rode a little faster, then they flew, then they flew a little faster. At each stage of the game the old ways became less relevant. At each stage of the game the community became more scattered. At each stage of the game some became materially superior to others in the game. At each stage the game became less and less about the players and more about the gimmicks and then the game became irrelevant.

But then, just as I had given up hope of finding another game, another community, I found GW2 and it’s community of friends. We all walked and ran and gated our way though a vast and completely open world where the game was relevant and the players were relevant and, for the most part, people actually help each other.

And, now you want to start the cycle all overt again? Now you need a mount? Why? To make the world smaller somehow, to make the people less friendly somehow, to divide rather than unite us somehow? Nay, and nay again say I, a thousand times nay. If you wish to ride there are other games where the people are disconnected from each other and the players and developers no longer speak the same language. But they ride and fly and are irrelevant.

Those games failed due to other problems. Mounts were not the problem. Rather mounts have always been sought after. They still are.

I don’t see where Cadmius said those games failed solely due to the mounts, but it was likely part of the reason.

Cadmius had a problem with the game: that people weren’t helpful to those around them that weren’t in their party. And brings up the usual thing that happens after mounts are added.

People want them to have a speed boost. Then people want the speed boost to become the new normal speed. Then they want a speed boost again. Eventually, they want flying mounts because that cuts down time as well. Then they want their flying mounts to have speed boosts. And the cycle continues.

The only way I would be ok with mounts is if they had the same speed as players do now and could be affected by speed boosts. And ANet said that this would never ever change.

Their footprint is large enough that you can’t take them on any jumping puzzle.

They are not allowed in racial cities or Lion’s Arch (so they can’t interfere with holiday or birthday or whatever celebrations.

Everyone gets a mount for free. That way everyone has one no matter what their situation is.

Players get forcefully removed from them if population gets too large (just like mini’s). Other players’ FPS during things like world bosses and meta events trumps a player’s ability to ride a mount. That and to keep trolls from parking their mounts in front of bosses to keep players from seeing tells.

no

Why would mounts save the game? Better improve general gameplay, e.g. make running around faster.

Soleil.1304:

An entire world with no mounts for player NOR NPC’s is just too unrealistic. Every civilization has used them and yet Tyria can’t figure out how to tame a few? How dumb are these inhabitants? I’m sure humans will have a chance against the centaurs if they had mounts. The tactical advantage is obvious and yet the humans don’t have a cavalry?

While you are correct that it seems unlikely that no one has mounts, do keep in mind mounts have – or probably have – gameplay implications you need to worry about.

The biggest two are:

• Enemy danger is lost as you traverse their sphere of influence faster. Some areas in HoT zones for example are very dangerous on foot, especially because they lack easily reachable spots to start gliding from. Mounts would partially or entirely trivialize these areas, robbing the world not only of danger, but also of believable setup. Something you want to achieve with mounts, not lose.
• Increased speed from mounts (if this is a thing? or same as OOC runspeed buff?) would decrease the effective size of the world. Granted given waypoints this is a comparatively minor thing in GW2, but it’d still exist. MMOs largely rely on their land size and sheer scale to provide space for players and make players who end up in proximity team up on the spot. Removing the scale is never a positive thing for a MMO.

Mounts (and even horses specifically) are sometimes referenced in really obscure places. The novels had horses randomly in a field and I’m pretty sure there’s a story about King Thorn riding or being knocked off of a horse sometime when he was alive.
In Guildwars 1 dwarves often rode on dolyaks (that loved knocking you down all the time) and even drakes. Canthans rode on turtles.
So Tyria has learned all about riding on animals, it’s just they choose not to because it’s an obsolete mode of transportation. The same reason we don’t ride horses today.
And the same reason people will stop buying cars if we ever discover a way to teleport to where we need to go for a few dollars.

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.