[Suggestion] The Right Time for Mounts
I just wanted to voice my support for mounts.
50,000 gems in the gem store, cosmetic only, cannot use in cities/dungeons/wvw/pvp.
All signets/boons/anything that applies swiftness does not apply to someone who is mounted – so anyone with swiftness will leave those mounted in the dust.
And of course combat dismounts you.
The game is what the game is. After two years we need to accept that it is how it is gonna be, if it were gonna be different, it would have been by now.
I myself wanted subclasses. Not gonna happen. I also wanted weapon skills to be unlocked from weapons so that players can pick and choose what 5 skills they wanted On the 1-5 slot.
Not gonna happen.
I have made my piece with that.
Time for the Mount people to Just accept, No mounts. That’s just what game we are playing. I Just Hope that the pro-mount people can just accept what it is, and find some fun in spite of Not having mounts.
If they are waiting for mounts, as things seem at the moment, they have a LONG wait ahead.
I just wanted to voice my support for mounts.
50,000 gems in the gem store, cosmetic only, cannot use in cities/dungeons/wvw/pvp.
All signets/boons/anything that applies swiftness does not apply to someone who is mounted – so anyone with swiftness will leave those mounted in the dust.
And of course combat dismounts you.
No to mounts -sorry not needed in game. It already chugs to a halt in WvW when a huge zerg runs by. Just think what it would be like with the zerg on mounts?
NO.
I think you both missed my obvious sarcasm where I specified they cost 50k gems, and basically make you move slower than someone on foot.
Of course I don’t really want mounts.
Why not introduce mounts for context-specific regions of the game? Such as Junundu Wurms for exploring later parts of the Maguuma Wastes, and the Crystal Desert expansion?
Mounts could be a fun gimmick for later maps, especially if they were handled as well as the Junundu were in GW1. They could maybe give them their own skillbars and unlocks as an incentive for players to experiment and play in that zone.
That said, keep them the heck out of Queensdale!
in other words “I dont want” simply doesnt beat “I want” in a forum, people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
Neither does “I want” beat “I don’t want”. Not wanting something in a game is as pertinent and viable as those things some people want.
Those that don’t want mounts in the game have no reason or motivation to have any kind of dialog about if/or when they may appear in the game because the don’t freakin’ want them. That sort of dialog is counterproductive to what they want which is to not have mounts.
It is also pretty pretentious and rude to claim that those that do not want mounts are airing their personal grievances while those who want them are expressing their personal desires. I have no “grievance” against mounts in games. It is just my personal desire to not want them in GW1 where I feel they have no place.
Pretty sure pretentious doesnt mean what you think it mean, as i clearly stated each side was on the same ground, sorry if my word choice was confusing.
I also clearly stated it was up to Anet, not either side having more clout than the other
Not wanting mounts is just as fine as wanting them, asserting your opinion as fact is the problem, and atleast personally, ive seen more people in favor of mounts be honest at the fact that they are indeed unnecessary and something they would enjoy if added to the game, and not standing behind scenarios of server stability or class travel balance etc…things that Anet would have surely resolved before implementation of mounts anyway
The Only reason we need is that we are perfectly content with Anet’s decision to not provide mounts.
The reason we do not have a dialogue about How best to go about having mounts is, because we do not want mounts under any set of circumstances.
No way, No how. It is our preference.
You say that we have equal clout. But, we do not.
You want Anet to use resources to give you what you want. All we want is the status-quo.
All it takes for us to get what we want is for Anet to just keep doing what it is doing.
For you to get mounts they need to take resources off One thing to put them On mounts, …and then impose it on a game population that is dead set against mounts.
For this to even be a considered,…you need to provide compelling reasons. And considering that in 2 years , we do not have a plethora of mounts…that kinda tells me that Anet has not seen compelling reasons for providing them.
So provide compelling reasons for mounts.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
in other words “I dont want” simply doesnt beat “I want” in a forum, people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
Neither does “I want” beat “I don’t want”. Not wanting something in a game is as pertinent and viable as those things some people want.
Those that don’t want mounts in the game have no reason or motivation to have any kind of dialog about if/or when they may appear in the game because the don’t freakin’ want them. That sort of dialog is counterproductive to what they want which is to not have mounts.
It is also pretty pretentious and rude to claim that those that do not want mounts are airing their personal grievances while those who want them are expressing their personal desires. I have no “grievance” against mounts in games. It is just my personal desire to not want them in GW1 where I feel they have no place.
Pretty sure pretentious doesnt mean what you think it mean, as i clearly stated each side was on the same ground, sorry if my word choice was confusing.
I also clearly stated it was up to Anet, not either side having more clout than the other
Not wanting mounts is just as fine as wanting them, asserting your opinion as fact is the problem, and atleast personally, ive seen more people in favor of mounts be honest at the fact that they are indeed unnecessary and something they would enjoy if added to the game, and not standing behind scenarios of server stability or class travel balance etc…things that Anet would have surely resolved before implementation of mounts anyway
The Only reason we need is that we are perfectly content with Anet’s decision to not provide mounts.
The reason we do not have a dialogue about How best to go about having mounts is, because we do not want mounts under any set of circumstances.
No way, No how. It is our preference.
You say that we have equal clout. But, we do not.
You want Anet to use resources to give you what you want. All we want is the status-quo.
All it takes for us to get what we want is for Anet to just keep doing what it is doing.
For you to get mounts they need to take resources off One thing to put them On mounts, …and then impose it on a game population that is dead set against mounts.
For this to even be a considered,…you need to provide compelling reasons. And considering that in 2 years , we do not have a plethora of mounts…that kinda tells me that Anet has not seen compelling reasons for providing them.
So provide compelling reasons for mounts.
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
Hey if your argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " Hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting cosmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your only reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.
By the way, we have heard these before, so has Anet. and … still no mounts.
( waits for compelling reasons )
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying “a lot of us want it” is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
( sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval. )
PPS: Both Guild Wars and Gw2 have been known forever to not have speed boost mounts. It has become a part of its brand, and it is a part of its LORE. Suddenly deciding to go against the lore, and the brand they have evolved, is supposed to suddenly swell the player-base?
Fact… maybe In another game mounts added 2 years In may lead to a swelling of the player-base. But For Gw2? What will they do? Take out ads in websites for video games, and magazines " New Gw2….Now with 100 % more mounts!!! Oooh all that Mounty goodness…come Now and get a free chicken mount."
And this will lead to a throng of players rushing to play???
Seriously? Or are you simply tossing this against a wall hoping it sticks?
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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1) Your use of the term “excuse” only concedes that mounts are unnecessary and redundant, but you have an irrational personal compulsion to shoehorn them in anyway. The only way to trick people into thinking they are a good thing is to come up with a contrived plot device that removes alternatives.
2) A lot of people are already strongly against mounts, even with waypoints intact. You aren’t going to win any favour by telling people that getting mounts means disabling waypoints.
Why would you need a ‘excuse’ for way-points, or even need to ‘trick people’. You put in mounts simply because it’s fun and it’s a game so should be about fun.
For the people who are against them if you really try to find the real reason why they are so strongly against it it’s in most cases “Because WoW”. Well hate and / or jealousy are not good advisors.
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
hey if yoiur argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting comsmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your ownly reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has anet. and … still no mounts.
waits for compelling reasons
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying " a lot of us want it" is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval.
First off, I never said mounts had to have a speed boost.
Secondly, I said YOU dont know what Anet finds compelling and I provided an example with the Ascended weapon /armor that was added to the game against arguably a lot of players wishes. This armor was unnecessary, provided measurable advantages and yet still is NOT mandatory to play the game.
Mounts even with speed boosts would not be mandatory in PVE maps due to the way point system (this is still a matter of implementation and not the mounts themselves)
Would provide another time,money,material sink for Players if they are crafted, and by this adding more revenue to Anet
Adds an extra layer of personalization for the playerbase, something proven to be important through the advent of dying armors and the many cosmetics available.
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You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
hey if yoiur argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting comsmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your ownly reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has anet. and … still no mounts.
waits for compelling reasons
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying " a lot of us want it" is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval.
First off, I never said mounts had to have a speed boost.
Secondly, I said YOU dont know what Anet finds compelling and I provided an example with the Ascended weapon /armor that was added to the game against arguably a lot of players wishes. This armor was unnecessary, provided measurable advantages and yet still is NOT mandatory to play the game.
Mounts even with speed boosts would not be mandatory in PVE maps due to the way point system (this is still a matter of implementation and not the mounts themselves)
Would provide another time,money,material sink for Players if they are crafted, and by this adding more revenue to Anet
Adds an extra layer of personalization for the playerbase, something proven to be important through the advent of dying armors and the many cosmetics available.
1) Your use of the term “excuse” only concedes that mounts are unnecessary and redundant, but you have an irrational personal compulsion to shoehorn them in anyway. The only way to trick people into thinking they are a good thing is to come up with a contrived plot device that removes alternatives.
2) A lot of people are already strongly against mounts, even with waypoints intact. You aren’t going to win any favour by telling people that getting mounts means disabling waypoints.
Why would you need a ‘excuse’ for way-points, or even need to ‘trick people’. You put in mounts simply because it’s fun and it’s a game so should be about fun.
For the people who are against them if you really try to find the real reason why they are so strongly against it it’s in most cases “Because WoW”. Well hate and / or jealousy are not good advisors.
Devata, I was there at 7 of the last 10 Mount threads. Those of us not wanting mounts have given plenty of reasons for Not Liking them. Most of the reasons have nothing to do with WoW.
Secondly, you only assume. Watch that, you remember what they say about assuming.
Thirdly, The game would be fun for some, and NOT fun for others. Just because it would be fun for you, is Not compelling enough for Anet to redesign the game to include what others In the player base find odious.
Lastly, The Only reason we that dislike Mounts for this game need is…
" we are in agreement with Anet’s continuing and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts"
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
I WANT mount, I don’t care what you want or need. Anet says “play how you want to play” whenever mount come because they will come and they will CREATE revenue guess what I going to get the mount because that is what I WANT, and if YOU don’t want it then DON’T get it. capiche
Wow….thank you for the very well thought out self-centered, immature and demanding verbal tantrum. It completely slipped all our minds that Anet’s every effort should be to provide what YOU WANT. Please forgive us.
What the poster above you fails to understand is that when Anet said " Play how you want to play" the implication was " with the tools we provide."
That kind of is supposed to go without saying. it’s Not Like i can demand to be given a Blimp that drops Bombs on the enemy forts… just because " hey, they said " Play how you want to play" and I want a Blimp"
Nor can I demand a " Fort Crusher Bomb" that I place at the gates and Just click the fuse, and run then 20 seconds later…everyone in the fort is dead.
Then again.." play How you want to play" means I am not Playing How I want to play if I cannot fly a Blimp to drop fort crusher bombs from them.
I want a personal Blimp!!!!! I want Fort Crusher Bombs!!!! Anet said " Play How you want to play!!!" and this is how I want to play!
Oh yes, and whenever the enemy gets near me… all their weapons turn into balloons and all they can do is point it at me, and let the air out, and all it does is go pphhhrrmmmfhhttttttttttttttttttt.
because…"Anet said " Play How you want to play!" and that is How I want to play!!!"
Unreal. Just….. unreal.
To be fair at one point in time we were supposed to have air ships in wvwvw.
Or so I remember hearing anyways.
No Mounts. Except Dolyaks. With a -50% speed penalty.
“Guild wars is for everybody, freedom is ascended, zerg is strength”
~ G. Orrwell, great shaman of the new flame legion, 1984 AE.
We need just one new emote…
/dismount
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Always follow what is true.” — Sentry-skritt Bordekka
Always follow what is true.” — Sentry-skritt Bordekka
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
We don’t need to know that. An argument is compelling if someone makes you say “Oh wait, I didn’t think of that”. People arguing for mounts haven’t done so. Not knowing what you think will be compelling doesn’t make uncompelling QQ more … compelling.
Personally, I don’t feel ‘extra level of personalization’ is that compeilling argument because it can apply to ANYTHING that has been already ingame; mini’s, skins, etc… How many levels of personalization are necessary? Better yet, what is the value of having enough mounts ingame to claim it’s even another level of personalization? I don’t think anyone even understands what would be required to program the amount of mounts needed to achieve that extra personalization level. It really doesn’t seem to be a good ROI for Anet.
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I WANT mount, I don’t care what you want or need. Anet says “play how you want to play” whenever mount come because they will come and they will CREATE revenue guess what I going to get the mount because that is what I WANT, and if YOU don’t want it then DON’T get it. capiche
Wow….thank you for the very well thought out self-centered, immature and demanding verbal tantrum. It completely slipped all our minds that Anet’s every effort should be to provide what YOU WANT. Please forgive us.
What the poster above you fails to understand is that when Anet said " Play how you want to play" the implication was " with the tools we provide."
That kind of is supposed to go without saying. it’s Not Like i can demand to be given a Blimp that drops Bombs on the enemy forts… just because " hey, they said " Play how you want to play" and I want a Blimp"
Nor can I demand a " Fort Crusher Bomb" that I place at the gates and Just click the fuse, and run then 20 seconds later…everyone in the fort is dead.
Then again.." play How you want to play" means I am not Playing How I want to play if I cannot fly a Blimp to drop fort crusher bombs from them.
I want a personal Blimp!!!!! I want Fort Crusher Bombs!!!! Anet said " Play How you want to play!!!" and this is how I want to play!
Oh yes, and whenever the enemy gets near me… all their weapons turn into balloons and all they can do is point it at me, and let the air out, and all it does is go pphhhrrmmmfhhttttttttttttttttttt.
because…"Anet said " Play How you want to play!" and that is How I want to play!!!"
Unreal. Just….. unreal.
To be fair at one point in time we were supposed to have air ships in wvwvw.
Or so I remember hearing anyways.
No no. Not airships, I want My own BLIMP… with Fort Buster Bombs…all mine.. that only I get… No one else can use it, or get it… because…." they said " Play How you want to play!!!" and that is how I want to play!!!"
This is reductio ad absurdum.
Showing how ridiculous a proposition is, by carrying it to a totally ridiculous and absurd yet logical extreme if the proposition is accepted to be true.
Proposition:
When Anet said I could “Play How I want to play!” that meant I could make any ridiculous demand and they have to provide it, or they failed On their promise.
Absurd extreme:
Any player can demand anything.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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Why would you need a ‘excuse’ for way-points
We don’t. Waypoints have always been a major part of the game. GW2 is designed to include them. They are incredibly useful and convenient. They get players to actual game content as fast as possible, without wasting the player’s time. Waypoints, and movement-enhancing skills, render mounts an entirely pointless idea.
You put in mounts simply because it’s fun and it’s a game so should be about fun.
Not everyone agrees that it would be fun. ArenaNet certainly doesn’t seem to think so.
But besides that, no, you don’t just put things in a game because some players think it would be fun. It’s not that simple. They should install new features only if they make sense for GW2 specifically, and gel with the rest of the gameplay. If you’re going to spend time creating a major feature like this, it should be something that clearly makes the game better, and not contradict the mechanics. However, I have seen no reason whatsoever why mounts would be a good thing for GW2. The only things I hear boil down to “because I want it” or “I liked them in other games.”
Well, you can find people who want anything. Some people want in-game marriage. Some people want open-world PvP. Some people want Elves to be a new race. ArenaNet can’t just add every idea people make threads about. They have to choose features carefully, and do what is best for the game. Mounts are not what’s best.
For the people who are against them if you really try to find the real reason why they are so strongly against it it’s in most cases “Because WoW”. Well hate and / or jealousy are not good advisors.
I’m sorry you are not able to understand the objections, then. I alluded to WoW and other traditional MMORPGs in one of my posts, mainly to illustrate that mounts had an important role in those games. Those games were built to require mounts. GW2 is a very different game, where mounts would be redundant at best.
Asking for mounts in GW2 is almost like asking for mana potions, or the ability to craft bandages to heal out of combat. It is an obsolete idea.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
The funny thing about these mount threads is that it seems the anti-mount crowd keeps them alive by posting. If these threads were just ignored by those that don’t want mounts they would just fall off the page.
Reason is (at last for me) to show that there are people againts it.
If nobody posts against it ANet may think : Oh .. all those people want mounts, duelz,
open-pvp, raids, gear-progression, new level cap .. whatever … nobody is against it ..
then we must give it to them
EVERY MMO is awesome until it is released then its unfinished. A month after release it just sucks.
Best MMOs are the ones that never make it. Therefore Stargate Online wins.
Best MMOs are the ones that never make it. Therefore Stargate Online wins.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Of course One can ay that about anything, but is it likely? I can speculate, and say that Anet is planning and working On having Pokemon type battle pets, and Rideable Tank type mecha-warriors in open word for Open world PvP.
And Just because they haven’t said that they aren’t doesn’t mean they aren’t. Just because it’s not in this month, or next, or the month after that, doesn’t mean it won’t be added.
Like Mounts.
It just seems to me that 2 years after launch, 3 cosmetics only mounts…. How likely is it?
The only reason I pick a bone here is, that while you appear to present both sides, you really are pushing for mounts In a subtle way.
Instead of saying " they can choose to say yes, or no." you subtly finish with with
Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
Just feels as if you want to focus on the possibility however remote, however unlikely, that Anet would say yes, in-spite of player objections, when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Of course One can ay that about anything, but is it likely? I can speculate, and say that Anet is planning and working On having Pokemon type battle pets, and Rideable Tank type mecha-warriors in open word for Open world PvP.
And Just because they haven’t said that they aren’t doesn’t mean they aren’t. Just because it’s not in this month, or next, or the month after that, doesn’t mean it won’t be added.
Like Mounts.
It just seems to me that 2 years after launch, 3 cosmetics only mounts…. How likely is it?
The only reason I pick a bone here is, that while you appear to present both sides, you really are pushing for mounts In a subtle way.
Instead of saying " they can choose to say yes, or no." you subtly finish with with
Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
Just feels as if you want to focus on the possibility however remote, however unlikely, that Anet would say yes, in-spite of player objections, when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
For what it is worth, I have no personal interest in adding mounts to the game. I would not use them. I do not think that they are needed. I do not think that there would be much, if any, use for them beyond, “wow, you got a horse.”
I phrased my previous post to present the idea that there is nothing wrong with a customer asking for additions to a product….and that the company would be within its rights to say no.
I then presented the idea that there was nothing wrong with other players opposing requested additions…and that the company would be within its rights to make the additions anyway.
If you feel that telling pro-mount people that the company would be acting appropriately by saying no to their requests and, of course, the anti-mount crew that the opposite was also true to be a pro-mount statement of some sort, you are entitled to your opinion.
The sole reason for the post was that entirely too many people (I am not calling out any individual with this comment) on both sides of the issue seem to take the matter very personally and seem to be spending a lot of effort demonizing those with whom they disagree.
Pro-mount posters, some of them at least, seem to be taking opposition to their suggestions as some form of personal affront. Similarly, anti-mount posters, some of them at least, seem to be taking the request as some form of personal affront.
As to this line:
when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
I disagree. By adding mounts, just not the ones that people want, Anet has encouraged these thoughts. By changing the direction of the game and going against years of statements regarding game design because people complained on the forum about a lack of vertical progression Anet encouraged anyone with a desire to keep asking. By not saying no Anet encourages these thoughts.
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Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Of course One can ay that about anything, but is it likely? I can speculate, and say that Anet is planning and working On having Pokemon type battle pets, and Rideable Tank type mecha-warriors in open word for Open world PvP.
And Just because they haven’t said that they aren’t doesn’t mean they aren’t. Just because it’s not in this month, or next, or the month after that, doesn’t mean it won’t be added.
Like Mounts.
It just seems to me that 2 years after launch, 3 cosmetics only mounts…. How likely is it?
The only reason I pick a bone here is, that while you appear to present both sides, you really are pushing for mounts In a subtle way.
Instead of saying " they can choose to say yes, or no." you subtly finish with with
Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
Just feels as if you want to focus on the possibility however remote, however unlikely, that Anet would say yes, in-spite of player objections, when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
The thing is…it’s not that unlikely, especially considering Anet has not come out and said NO mounts ever.
You are just touting the fact that they have not been added yet as some measure that they will never be added.
In the genre that GW2 is in, and the type of game it is, that is a kittenumption as these games evolve over time. It took WOW how many years to give flight to their playerbase?
and by the way those mecha tank thingies for World pvp are Golems…
and like many have expressed in other games mounts were pretty much required to play the game in a timely fashion/keep up with your peers, in GW2 they would actually be optional (which i like) so only those that would enjoy them would be compelled to get them
Not wanting to SEE mounts is a personal desire/grievance akin to suffering brightly pink norn warriors…this is a multi-player game is it not?
I would like to know how mounts would adversely affect those that are against them
As far as lore, there are already npcs in the game that use animals to transport goods. Apparently GW2 has not progressed fully passed the beasts of burden as some of you claim, and I’ve not seen anyone advocate mounts be solely animal.
I’m pretty sure I did. From Merriam-Webster “making usually unjustified or excessive claims”. You have no idea if everyone not wanting mounts are airing personal grievances or not. Both unjustified and excessive.
I was , i thought, obviously speaking to the reply in this post, never mentioned speaking for all of anything, as many of the posts fit into my assessment, it is neither unjustified or excessive….
Really? I believe your exact words were:
people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
“People are just posting up personal grievances” is not addressing the poster. In context of your sentence you are implying that people who do not want mounts are offering up their personal gripes about mounts versus people who want them. It isn’t directed at just the OP, it is a universal statement. It most certainly encompasses “all” of a group. So yes, unjustified and excessive.
Well the added Kites for one…broomstick etc. many could make an argument that Anet is testing the waters with these items
Assuming Anet wont add them is fair, but it is just that ….an assumption
As far as them not being in yet as evidence….how long did it take before WOW added flight to their game after launch?
I could probably make and argument to justify testing of almost anything in this game. But as Nerelith and others have adroitly explained, there is no evidence that mounts are coming to the game.
The examples you given, in my opinion, are hardly things I would consider as “testing the waters”. The kites and broom are gimmicky certainly. One even gives a speed boost. But so do boosters and skills. These two things are largely just cosmetic.
Again, Nerelith and many others have pointed out, until there are compelling arguments for mounts cosmetic or otherwise, they have no real reason to add them. Give them actual compelling arguments and even I will listen. “I want”, “I like them”,
“Gimme”, and “I’ll quit if I don’t get one” are not compelling arguments.
Yes, it is a fair assumption. I was the one that said it. Along with the fact that there is no evidence and absolutely nothing to indicate that mounts are on the table.
By the way, the comparisons to WoW are old and stale. This isn’t WoW (thank goodness). I don’t want it to be WoW. It will never be WoW. Who cares what WoW did? Who cares about WoW’s implementations and timelines? If I wanted the things in WoW, I would play WoW.
I’m pretty sure I did. From Merriam-Webster “making usually unjustified or excessive claims”. You have no idea if everyone not wanting mounts are airing personal grievances or not. Both unjustified and excessive.
I was , i thought, obviously speaking to the reply in this post, never mentioned speaking for all of anything, as many of the posts fit into my assessment, it is neither unjustified or excessive….
Really? I believe your exact words were:
people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
“People are just posting up personal grievances” is not addressing the poster. In context of your sentence you are implying that people who do not want mounts are offering up their personal gripes about mounts versus people who want them. It isn’t directed at just the OP, it is a universal statement. It most certainly encompasses “all” of a group. So yes, unjustified and excessive.
Well the added Kites for one…broomstick etc. many could make an argument that Anet is testing the waters with these items
Assuming Anet wont add them is fair, but it is just that ….an assumption
As far as them not being in yet as evidence….how long did it take before WOW added flight to their game after launch?
I could probably make and argument to justify testing of almost anything in this game. But as Nerelith and others have adroitly explained, there is no evidence that mounts are coming to the game.
The examples you given, in my opinion, are hardly things I would consider as “testing the waters”. The kites and broom are gimmicky certainly. One even gives a speed boost. But so do boosters and skills. These two things are largely just cosmetic.
Again, Nerelith and many others have pointed out, until there are compelling arguments for mounts cosmetic or otherwise, they have no real reason to add them. Give them actual compelling arguments and even I will listen. “I want”, “I like them”,
“Gimme”, and “I’ll quit if I don’t get one” are not compelling arguments.Yes, it is a fair assumption. I was the one that said it. Along with the fact that there is no evidence and absolutely nothing to indicate that mounts are on the table.
By the way, the comparisons to WoW are old and stale. This isn’t WoW (thank goodness). I don’t want it to be WoW. It will never be WoW. Who cares what WoW did? Who cares about WoW’s implementations and timelines? If I wanted the things in WoW, I would play WoW.
SIGH
Yes I was speaking to the replies in this entire post, not for everyone everywhere, and even in the line you quoted it made no distinction between who had a grievance or desire….both of which have been expressed in this thread, again i apologize for confusing language,
and No, none of you have pointed out anything, what you deem compelling is not necessarily what Anet does and until you can confirm what they deem IS that argument is moot. We can only present what we want and why and hope they are compelled in our favor.
People in this very post have presented evidence, just because you personally dont see it kitten does not mean it hasnt been done.
Some people here have expressed disdain for even cosmetic mounts, which are ALREADY in the game—-this is evidence btw
The reference to WOW (an MMO) which GW2 also is, was to illustrate the evolving nature of the genre nothing more….your bias is not needed nor helpful
I must fulfill my duty towards the Guild Wars community by playing my part in this.
No.
I must fulfill my duty towards the Guild Wars community by playing my part in this.
No.
However, the correct answer to the OPs posted question is not “no”, but “Never”…..
:p
We go out in the world and take our chances
Fate is just the weight of circumstances
That’s the way that lady luck dances
Fate is just the weight of circumstances
That’s the way that lady luck dances
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Of course One can ay that about anything, but is it likely? I can speculate, and say that Anet is planning and working On having Pokemon type battle pets, and Rideable Tank type mecha-warriors in open word for Open world PvP.
And Just because they haven’t said that they aren’t doesn’t mean they aren’t. Just because it’s not in this month, or next, or the month after that, doesn’t mean it won’t be added.
Like Mounts.
It just seems to me that 2 years after launch, 3 cosmetics only mounts…. How likely is it?
The only reason I pick a bone here is, that while you appear to present both sides, you really are pushing for mounts In a subtle way.
Instead of saying " they can choose to say yes, or no." you subtly finish with with
Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
Just feels as if you want to focus on the possibility however remote, however unlikely, that Anet would say yes, in-spite of player objections, when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
The thing is…it’s not that unlikely, especially considering Anet has not come out and said NO mounts ever.
You are just touting the fact that they have not been added yet as some measure that they will never be added.
In the genre that GW2 is in, and the type of game it is, that is a kittenumption as these games evolve over time. It took WOW how many years to give flight to their playerbase?
and by the way those mecha tank thingies for World pvp are Golems…
and like many have expressed in other games mounts were pretty much required to play the game in a timely fashion/keep up with your peers, in GW2 they would actually be optional (which i like) so only those that would enjoy them would be compelled to get them
Not wanting to SEE mounts is a personal desire/grievance akin to suffering brightly pink norn warriors…this is a multi-player game is it not?
I would like to know how mounts would adversely affect those that are against them
As far as lore, there are already npcs in the game that use animals to transport goods. Apparently GW2 has not progressed fully passed the beasts of burden as some of you claim, and I’ve not seen anyone advocate mounts be solely animal.
One way that Mounts could be optional is if they are cosmetics only. Another way is if all they do is replace a utility skill that already has a speed boost with the very same duration and cooldown, affected by the same exact traits, but have a mount animation, and Model without crappy clipping.
The main issue for me is, that I have to look at these mounts. I do not wish to. I think Mounts add to screen clutter, and they may cause FPS decay, as the server then needs to render them.
Another point. Yes there are NPC’s that use Dolyaks to transport Goods, Now many of them ride the dolyaks?
PS Mecha – tank thingy for OPEN WORLD PvP does Not exist. A Golem is Just a nice word for a Battle suit. Not quite what I had in mind, i was thinking more along the Lines of an Abrams.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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By the way, the comparisons to WoW are old and stale. This isn’t WoW (thank goodness). I don’t want it to be WoW. It will never be WoW. Who cares what WoW did? Who cares about WoW’s implementations and timelines? If I wanted the things in WoW, I would play WoW.
To this all I would Like to add is. When I want a mounted experience, … I play WoW. I have a 500 tailor that made a Frosty Flying Carpet, so I do enjoy having a flying mount…On World of Warcraft. I do not want mounts here, because they are unnecessary we have waypoints.
The developers have put thought into what classes get a speed boost skill, which get more than one, and which can give their speed boost to allies around them. Which will be unbalanced by a universal speed boost.
Mount Models have a tendency to have bad weapon clipping into the mount …
Griefers have a tendency to use the mounts to cover up npc’s so they cannot be selected easily,…. Unless the player knows it’s there.
Speed boost mount riders have a tendency when they draw agro, to kite their mobs behind them, and outrun them, but not before dragging the mobs to some hapless player that has his hands full already, suddenly he has 3 or 4 other mobs to fight… as the rider just… races off without a care in the word…
etc,etc,etc,….
THESE are compelling reasons to NOT add mounts.
And yet, the ONLY reason I need is…
" Anet has continued to NOT provide speed boost mounts and I agree with their decision."
When we ask the pro-mount to provide compelling reasons all we get are " they would be cool" " we want them." " other games have them." or .." I do not wish to either swap weapons or use up a utility slot..it’s a bother."
None of these are compelling.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
A thought on mounts to keep them travel only and only very briefly for show: What if mounts had a special duration timer which ticked down as long as you were standing still on them? Something like 30 or 45 seconds, maybe a minute tops.
Timer’s up, you automatically dismount. (you know, and auto dismount in combat)
So someone just loitering in the city will need to keep moving along, or they’d need to resummon. It would be a bit annoying for pro-mounters, but I think it might be reasonable.
The culture of Tyria has evolved beyond the need to make beasts suffer to transport us from place to place.
This is ethical.
To force beasts to suffer to transport us, when other means are readily available is to be cruel and egocentric. This is from a Lore perspective.
Actually, from a lore perspective, waypoints seem incredibly ambiguous as while they get mentioned, there seems to be no mention of people using them. Not to mention they can be pretty easily shut down with just a sufficient number of hostiles around them.
Not to mention there’s a lot of quests where someone needs you to help escort them and their cargo ferrying animals. (Why not just use those waypoints? How do they even work? Magnets?)
This is particularly weird for asura who seem to have hover everything except carts.
Also, when a civilization stops using animals for transport, that means a mechanical means of transportation, which charr and asura should have, but, once again, rarely ever seem to use. (Well, charr have those massive NOT!SandCrawlers we see laying around but when they need to fall back they never start’em up.)
We can only present what we want and why and hope they are compelled in our favor.
The want part is evident, it is the why part beyond “They are really super cool” that is missing.
People in this very post have presented evidence, just because you personally dont see it kitten does not mean it hasnt been done.
Apparently many others have missed it as well. I see more than myself replying to your post saying there is no evidence other than a gimmick that happened on Halloween almost two years ago. BTW, the kite isn’t a mount. It isn’t evidence. It is a booster. I have yet to see anyone ride one.
Some people here have expressed disdain for even cosmetic mounts, which are ALREADY in the game—-this is evidence btw
Again, evidence of a gimmick they presented almost two years ago with Halloween. It is a toy for costume brawling. It is not a mount. Next.
The reference to WOW (an MMO) which GW2 also is, was to illustrate the evolving nature of the genre nothing more….your bias is not needed nor helpful
And I was using your comparison of WoW as a means to remind you and others that this is a different game and that it doesn’t matter what other games have done. That such comparisons are worthless and not needed nor helpful.
This title is enough to say: NO!
We can only present what we want and why and hope they are compelled in our favor.
The want part is evident, it is the why part beyond “They are really super cool” that is missing.
People in this very post have presented evidence, just because you personally dont see it kitten does not mean it hasnt been done.
Apparently many others have missed it as well. I see more than myself replying to your post saying there is no evidence other than a gimmick that happened on Halloween almost two years ago. BTW, the kite isn’t a mount. It isn’t evidence. It is a booster. I have yet to see anyone ride one.
Some people here have expressed disdain for even cosmetic mounts, which are ALREADY in the game—-this is evidence btw
Again, evidence of a gimmick they presented almost two years ago with Halloween. It is a toy for costume brawling. It is not a mount. Next.
The reference to WOW (an MMO) which GW2 also is, was to illustrate the evolving nature of the genre nothing more….your bias is not needed nor helpful
And I was using your comparison of WoW as a means to remind you and others that this is a different game and that it doesn’t matter what other games have done. That such comparisons are worthless and not needed nor helpful.
Can you atleast be genuine? Kites are boosters in the same way mounts in other games are speed boosters, you are playing semantics
Calling something a gimmick does not invalidate it as evidence
GW2 used/uses many conventions of past MMOs and tailored them to their game, it was not made on some island without any outside influence
Maybe you/they should actually read the posts you are replying to then?
I personally have stated Mounts would/could
+provide a time/gold/money sink
+revenue for Anet
+a new crafting experience
+even further character customization
+fun
+allows players the option to travel the map quickly, or more easily if speed is equal to speed boots plus movement skills without having to use the wp system , which can be immersion breaking for some, while at the same time not mandatory.
+adds to the level of creativity the community can express, in video, pictures, machinima
And I find it funny that many of the complaints are due to experience in other games, and how their mounts were implemented and yet all i hear is GW2 is not those games.
You are right, so stop basing your opinion of mounts in this game by those games then…as I feel many of those things can be fixed/done better by Anet
Can you atleast be genuine? Kites are boosters in the same way mounts in other games are speed boosters, you are playing semantics
Calling something a gimmick does not invalidate it as evidence
As far as the kite goes, it is a skin that already existed in the game that they added a speed boost onto it. It isn’t semantics. Other than you, I have never heard anyone refer to it as a mount, probably because it isn’t. I don’t recall anyone other than you saying "Hey give us a costume that lets us move faster and we will call it a mount.
Even you can see that the pro-mount people are talking about things they can ride not just items that make them move faster. It isn’t semantics, it’s using my vision and intelligence.
Ok fine. The word ‘gimmick’ out. I will call it what they call it, A Toy. It is not a mount. It is a device for costume brawling. Not something to get you across a map.
GW2 used/uses many conventions of past MMOs and tailored them to their game, it was not made on some island without any outside influence
You don’t say? You used the past tense correctly. Tailored. As in it other things were used and it is done now. There are many things that didn’t make it into the game from other games. One of them I can think of is, let’s see, oh yes, Mounts. Most MMO’s incorporate elements of others. If mounts were so obviously the boon and draw that you say they are, why weren’t they implemented from the start?
Maybe you/they should actually read the posts you are replying to then?
I personally have stated Mounts would/could
+provide a time/gold/money sink
+revenue for Anet
+a new crafting experience
+even further character customization
+fun
+allows players the option to travel the map quickly, or more easily if speed is equal to speed boots plus movement skills without having to use the wp system , which can be immersion breaking for some, while at the same time not mandatory.
+adds to the level of creativity the community can express, in video, pictures, machinima
I’ll give you this, the first two are the only actual reasons they would add mounts. Bravo. But again, why wouldn’t they add such a great money maker in the beginning and add new ones if it would have deemed a huge revenue source?
The third is not an encompassing or even compelling reason if an actual reason at all. People don’t just want crafted mounts. They want creature mounts as well. There will be no horse and camel crafting stations.
The rest are just all personal desires of yours, not reasons. I don’t want to “customize” my character around a mount or be forced to use one to get to an event before it is over for those that have them. It would not be fun for me. Having them in game would be immersion breaking for me in that I don’t want them or have to look at others using them because they would feel out of place to me. So just like my dislike for them your last few ‘reasons’ are not reasons at all. Just personal preferences.
And I find it funny that many of the complaints are due to experience in other games, and how their mounts were implemented and yet all i hear is GW2 is not those games.
You are right, so stop basing your opinion of mounts in this game by those games then…as I feel many of those things can be fixed/done better by Anet
First, there are no mounts in this game. Second, the only person bringing up other games is you. I am not basing ANY of my dislike for mounts based on other games. I basing my dislike for mounts on the fact that I dislike mounts. I couldn’t possibly care less what other games do. WoW is the only experience I have with mounts. I used to like WoW somewhat. Mounts are a part of that game and I accept that. I think that is your main problem. Acceptence. GW2 does not have mounts. I have the ability to accept that. I also have the ability to intelligently grasp that they are most likely not going to happen. Some people are obviously having issues with both of those things.
no mounts in this game please. It’s refreshing not to see them in this game actually. Plus we have way points etc. You don’t need mounts.
No thanks. I like being able to port to where I want if I’m the other side of the map. I don’t dance having to “run” across the world to get to where I want to go when an easy way is already being used.
Guess what? if mounts were added, you’d still be able to do this…
Not what the OP is saying. He’s saying remove way points and add mounts. If we have way points we don’t need mounts and if we have mounts we don’t need way points. There is zero need for mounts when you have the way point system. Every class has a passive speed boost of 25%.
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Did the game start with everything at launch? no it did not, they could be saving them for the same reason they save anything under development, waiting for the most opportune time, expansions, tech, etc
I can accept there being no mounts, this does not stop me from wanting them.
I am not only talking to you but others in this thread that have listed negative experiences from other games dealing with mounts.
Yes I know there are no mounts in this game, but there are cosmetic items that your player appears to ride on, and items that give speed boosts which tells me that Anet could very well add mounts to the game in their own way.
and again, my reasons do not have to be compelling to you in any way, they are not just personal desires as for one, I do not enjoy crafting, but I know many players do and some would craft them even if they didnt use them (completionists)
You are creating made up scenarios…the game already forces you to equip traveling weapons/utils/traits to get to events quickly, but even this is barely felt due to the wp system. So no you would not be forced to do anything.
This is a multiplayer game, you are subject to looking at undesirable characters all the time.
The more creative the community can get with the game, and the more they create outside of the game, the more the game is shown to new players, the more closely knit the community can become, all increasing revenue for ANet
Just saying you dont want to see mounts is just as selfish as banning pink dye from armor because you dont like the color, noone is forcing you to color your armor pink but you want to limit what everyone else can do because you dont like pink armor. You are free to feel this way, but I can guarantee that is not an attitude shared by Anet.
Discussion of how they can be implemented without adversely affecting the game IF they were to be added would be much more constructive, but yes I know, you just dont want them.
No thanks. I like being able to port to where I want if I’m the other side of the map. I don’t dance having to “run” across the world to get to where I want to go when an easy way is already being used.
Guess what? if mounts were added, you’d still be able to do this…
Not what the OP is saying. He’s saying remove way points and add mounts. If we have way points we don’t need mounts and if we have mounts we don’t need way points. There is zero need for mounts when you have the way point system. Every class has a passive speed boost of 25%.
I agree, they wouldnt be necessary, the best kind of mount for this game. (Optional ones)
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
Hey if your argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " Hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting cosmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your only reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has Anet. and … still no mounts.
( waits for compelling reasons )
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying “a lot of us want it” is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
( sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval. )
PPS: Both Guild Wars and Gw2 have been known forever to not have speed boost mounts. It has become a part of its brand, and it is a part of its LORE. Suddenly deciding to go against the lore, and the brand they have evolved, is supposed to suddenly swell the player-base?
Fact… maybe In another game mounts added 2 years In may lead to a swelling of the player-base. But For Gw2? What will they do? Take out ads in websites for video games, and magazines " New Gw2….Now with 100 % more mounts!!! Oooh all that Mounty goodness…come Now and get a free chicken mount."
And this will lead to a throng of players rushing to play???
Seriously? Or are you simply tossing this against a wall hoping it sticks?
Anet put minis/bobblehead/finishers/cosmetic armor/ Total Makeover Kit/Name Change Contract/musical instrument in the gem shop because:
- It is cool
- I want it.
The reasoning almost sounds like Mounts!
5x Warrior, 5x Ranger, 4x Elementalist, 4x Engineer,
4x Necromancer, 3x Mesmer, 4x Guardian, 4x Thief, 4 Revenant
4x Necromancer, 3x Mesmer, 4x Guardian, 4x Thief, 4 Revenant
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
Hey if your argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " Hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting cosmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your only reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has Anet. and … still no mounts.
( waits for compelling reasons )
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying “a lot of us want it” is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
( sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval. )
PPS: Both Guild Wars and Gw2 have been known forever to not have speed boost mounts. It has become a part of its brand, and it is a part of its LORE. Suddenly deciding to go against the lore, and the brand they have evolved, is supposed to suddenly swell the player-base?
Fact… maybe In another game mounts added 2 years In may lead to a swelling of the player-base. But For Gw2? What will they do? Take out ads in websites for video games, and magazines " New Gw2….Now with 100 % more mounts!!! Oooh all that Mounty goodness…come Now and get a free chicken mount."
And this will lead to a throng of players rushing to play???
Seriously? Or are you simply tossing this against a wall hoping it sticks?
Anet put minis/bobblehead/finishers/cosmetic armor/ Total Makeover Kit/Name Change Contract/musical instrument in the gem shop because:
- It is cool
- I want it.
The reasoning almost sounds like Mounts!
The difference is, they did Not have to overcome such passionately felt opposition.
and
Still no mounts.
People have been saying
1. it would be cool.
2. I want it.
for 2 years.
If that were enough for mounts…why isn’t tyria crawling with them?
Where are the mounts?
If those reasons are compelling for mounts , why wasn’t Anet compelled?
One reason is waypoints. Another is, each class already has a speed boost mechanic. it’s Not Anet’s fault if people don’t wish to use it, that reason sounds personal.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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I want mounts. Why?
Because compromising my build to include perma 25% run speed is stupid.
Because paying through the nose for Traveler’s Runes, which provide little benefit other than perma 25% run speed, is stupid.
Because sacrificing a slot on my skill bar for perma 25% run speed is stupid.
This isn’t about having more maneuverability. People are doing this to move around faster.
Comments about not putting mounts in, what are they?
Takes up resources? Dumb. All content takes resources. Designing minis and tonics take resources. Is there a large scale protest against new minis?
Unnecessary because of waypoints? Dumb. People are already using builds with 25% perma boost. If speed boosts are unnecessary then replace signet of air and traveler’s runes and signet of locust speed boost with something else.
Because GW2 shouldn’t have mounts and players should go play other games that have it? This takes the Darwin prize. GW2 doesn’t have other pvp modes or duels or GvG or raids or “challenging content” or precursor crafting. Should this stop people from asking for them?
I like mounts and I’m prepared to support my argument with my wallet. More than RNG tickets or town clothes or more boosters or MORE BACKPIECES.
If you’re opposed to mounts let your wallet speak.
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You are creating made up scenarios…the game already forces you to equip traveling weapons/utils/traits to get to events quickly, but even this is barely felt due to the wp system. So no you would not be forced to do anything.
You obviously only read what you want things to say and twist things to suit your own agenda, so I will address these two things. I did create a very real scenario that could happen if given mounts that increase speed. It would be ANOTHER thing people would feel forced upon them. That you cannot see that is sad.
As far as creating scenarios I guess that saying in one posts that we already have mounts in the game and that I need to accept that and then saying in this last post that you know there are no mounts actually isn’t creating a scenario but does qualify as revisionist history or just making stuff up the first time to suit your arguments.
Just saying you dont want to see mounts is just as selfish as banning pink dye from armor because you dont like the color, noone is forcing you to color your armor pink but you want to limit what everyone else can do because you dont like pink armor. You are free to feel this way, but I can guarantee that is not an attitude shared by Anet.
Were you not the one telling me and everyone else that they have no idea what Anet does, or wants or has plans for or has ANY clue about because we don’t work there? Accusing people of one thing and then doing it yourself is hypocritical and makes debate with you worthless and boorish.
I want mounts. Why?
Because compromising my build to include perma 25% run speed is stupid.
Because paying through the nose for Traveler’s Runes, which provide little benefit other than perma 25% run speed, is stupid.
Because sacrificing a slot on my skill bar for perma 25% run speed is stupid.
This isn’t about having more maneuverability. People are doing this to move around faster.
Comments about not putting mounts in, what are they?
Takes up resources? Dumb. All content takes resources. Designing minis and tonics take resources. Is there a large scale protest against new minis?
Unnecessary because of waypoints? Dumb. People are already using builds with 25% perma boost. If speed boosts are unnecessary then replace signet of air and traveler’s runes and signet of locust speed boost with something else.
Because GW2 shouldn’t have mounts and players should go play other games that have it? This takes the Darwin prize. GW2 doesn’t have other pvp modes or duels or GvG or raids or “challenging content” or precursor crafting. Should this stop people from asking for them?
I like mounts and I’m prepared to support my argument with my wallet. More than RNG tickets or town clothes or more boosters or MORE BACKPIECES.
If you’re opposed to mounts let your wallet speak.
If you support mounts with your wallet then you bought the ones already in the gem store right? Maybe if more people bought them you would get more of them.
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My (somtimes funny) thoughts about „mounts“
You would need different mounts for Asura, Humans/Sylvari, Norn, Charr.
Imagine…
- the huge, bulky mounts you would need for Norn and Charr (-> the cities filled with animals that are as big as Dolyaks? Urgh).
- a huge, bulky mount running past/over you (especially when you are a little Asura).
- a huge, bulky mount that runs fast without looking ridiculous (T-Rex?).
- 50 people, who are waiting for a world boss and all are sitting on a mount.
- a zerg with 50+ people (Charr and Norn) in wvw -> are the towers/keeps insured against damage from earthquakes?Some more thoughts concerning Charr, Asura and Sylvari…
- I think a Charr feels more comfortable to run on all fours, than using a mount.
- You (as a Charr) have to find an animal which would accept a furry beast with fangs on its back. Try to get on it with your big claws/talons without hurting it and than try to find a comfortable position for your tail (-> maybe you could use the tail as a whip?).
- Imagine a Charr on a mount like their motorcycles (which would make sense). I think they would look horrible, if too much of them are driving through the beautiful landscape. Imagine them driving through Queensdale or Caledon. Urgh.- Imagine an Asura, who would trust his/her live to a creature with inferior intelligence. They already have golems (which are slow), so there is no need for more robots, which can be used as mounts. If they want to travel fast, they’ll use portals and waypoints.
- The nature loving Sylvari using other living creatures as mounts? That’s a bit weird.
Sorry, but I just can’t imagine how mounts could be a part of Tyria.
Excellent Post. I know that I hate how mounts in WoW so often get in the way of what I am trying to see or do.
The other issues also make a lot of sense.
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
I want mounts. Why?
Because compromising my build to include perma 25% run speed is stupid.
Because paying through the nose for Traveler’s Runes, which provide little benefit other than perma 25% run speed, is stupid.
Because sacrificing a slot on my skill bar for perma 25% run speed is stupid.
Assuming that mounts would prevent any of that is EXTREMELY presumptuous. Players love to imagine how they would like something to work. It rarely ends up how they envision it. Even if mounts DO make it in game, I don’t believe they would compromise the class concepts and gear that is available to overcome those deficiencies.
In short, you just described great reasons for not introducing mounts …
I want mounts. Why?
Because compromising my build to include perma 25% run speed is stupid.
Because paying through the nose for Traveler’s Runes, which provide little benefit other than perma 25% run speed, is stupid.
Because sacrificing a slot on my skill bar for perma 25% run speed is stupid.
This isn’t about having more maneuverability. People are doing this to move around faster.
Comments about not putting mounts in, what are they?
Takes up resources? Dumb. All content takes resources. Designing minis and tonics take resources. Is there a large scale protest against new minis?
Unnecessary because of waypoints? Dumb. People are already using builds with 25% perma boost. If speed boosts are unnecessary then replace signet of air and traveler’s runes and signet of locust speed boost with something else.
Because GW2 shouldn’t have mounts and players should go play other games that have it? This takes the Darwin prize. GW2 doesn’t have other pvp modes or duels or GvG or raids or “challenging content” or precursor crafting. Should this stop people from asking for them?
I like mounts and I’m prepared to support my argument with my wallet. More than RNG tickets or town clothes or more boosters or MORE BACKPIECES.
If you’re opposed to mounts let your wallet speak.
From what you have said, it appears this game is Not for you. maybe you should play another game, maybe one with mounts? I can recommend World of Warcraft highly. That game has plenty of mounts, and they come in different colors.
PS: How exactly would one show they oppose mounts with their wallet? I am very curious.
Use their Money to NOT Buy a Mount? I am doing that now.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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From what you have said, it appears this game is Not for you. maybe you should play another game, maybe one with mounts? I can reccomend World of warcraft highly. That game has plenty of mounts.
Because GW2 shouldn’t have mounts and players should go play other games that have it? This takes the Darwin prize. GW2 doesn’t have other pvp modes or duels or GvG or raids or “challenging content” or precursor crafting. Should this stop people from asking for them?
Entirely predictable. I recommend not quoting me if you can’t be bothered to read.
Assuming that mounts would prevent any of that is EXTREMELY presumptuous. Players love to imagine how they would like something to work. It rarely ends up how they envision it. Even if mounts DO make it in game, I don’t believe they would compromise the class concepts and gear that is available to overcome those deficiencies.
In short, you just described great reasons for not introducing mounts …
Excellent point. If Anet implemented mounts without the speed boosts, I’d still be miffed. But then they’d be like minis that you can ride on. In which case what the hell are people arguing about here?
I’m commenting exactly the format that I would like mounts to take – speed boosts. Which traditionally takes the form of mounts.
It could come in the form of minis or feathery wings I don’t care. I want movement speed out of combat to not be tied to a specific build, but normalised across the board. Every one should be able to move at the same speed out of combat. OOC speed is a Quality of Life issue, not a tactical issue.
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From what you have said, it appears this game is Not for you. maybe you should play another game, maybe one with mounts? I can reccomend World of warcraft highly. That game has plenty of mounts.
Because GW2 shouldn’t have mounts and players should go play other games that have it? This takes the Darwin prize. GW2 doesn’t have other pvp modes or duels or GvG or raids or “challenging content” or precursor crafting. Should this stop people from asking for them?
Entirely predictable. I recommend not quoting me if you can’t be bothered to read.
Oh I read it. it just seems you want the developers to totally redesign their game for completely selfish reasons. You say " this is stupid, that is stupid, this is stupid, that is stupid.’ over and over.
If so Much of the game is stupid, there are two options. Play the game even if it is stupid, and enjoy it with it’s stupidity or… play a game that is better suited for you.
I read your “Darwin prize” comment, and chose to ignore it.
Assuming that mounts would prevent any of that is EXTREMELY presumptuous. Players love to imagine how they would like something to work. It rarely ends up how they envision it. Even if mounts DO make it in game, I don’t believe they would compromise the class concepts and gear that is available to overcome those deficiencies.
In short, you just described great reasons for not introducing mounts …
Excellent point. If Anet implemented mounts without the speed boosts, I’d still be miffed. But then they’d be like minis that you can ride on. In which case what the hell are people arguing about here?
I believe this has been addressed. Ugly models, nonsensical potential pairings ie a charr riding a chicken… clipping issues, screen clutter, potential frame rate drop off, griefer opportunities, etc etc etc… all of this has been discussed to Orr and back. Sorry you came late to the discussion… maybe do a search for one of the million other mount threads that have been resurrected and necro-posted before this one?
I’m commenting exactly the format that I would like mounts to take – speed boosts. Which traditionally takes the form of mounts.
You may not have noticed but this is not a traditional MMO. The old rules do not apply.
This game has way points, we do not need speed boost mounts in the game, and many of us do not want them in the game.
It could come in the form of minis or feathery wings I don’t care. I want movement speed out of combat to not be tied to a specific build,
I want sub-classes. But I am not getting that either. People can want things, but as the Rolling Stones sang. " You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find. You get what you need."
When it comes to Video games the only thing we need is access to servers, and we get that.
but normalised across the board. Every one should be able to move at the same speed out of combat. OOC speed is a Quality of Life issue, not a tactical issue.
Speed is a desire. We already have tools to move faster. if you don’t wish to avail yourself to them, By swapping weapons or swapping utilities, that is no one else’s problem.
Everyone can already move at the same speed out of combat. They just have to make do without speed boost. If they wish to move faster, they need to either swap in an offhand with speed boost, equip a two hander with speed boost, or swap in a utility with speed boost while swapping out a utility that is better suited for combat.
That is One of the choices we need to make in this game, Move faster but be less combat ready in case of surprise attacks…or… Move slower and have a more combat effective build.
THIS is the game Anet developed. THIS seems to be the game you dislike playing.
Again, you want a game other than the game the developers have developed. Maybe you should consider that this game is not for you? I can recommend World of Warcraft,…that game has plenty of mounts.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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