Guild Wars 2

killcannon.2576:

I ain’t in this one.

Just enjoying the show and linking for lols.

It won’t matter anyway, they will do what they think brings in and keeps players. There has to be a mass exodus or something for them to implement change…as when they first brought in ascended.

I know that it doesn’t matter. Nobody matters in the game industry. However I don’t want this MMO to just be another time gated gear grind MMO and I’m prepared to fight for it. I fight for things that I want in life no matter how small the odds are of me getting it. For example I just won a 40 email battle against steam and EA and got EA to fix their game that was broken for 2 years prior.

Mirta.5029:

PVStar.3658:

I’m not saying this is a gear based MMO, I’m saying that in gear based MMOs this is how it works, and it’s going to work the same here. The majority of the playerbase is not going to be decked out in full ascended gear, therefore the majority of the playerbase isn’t going to try and look for fully ascended geared players.

And of course there’s gear progression in this game, it’s just not an uphill slope like every other MMO out there.

Except that things like hardcore WvW guilds will come into play on Tier 1 servers making it a requirement to get this gear for their guild, making them even ruing WvW.
Funny thing is that for now Ascended items are one of the most time gated things in any game. If I went back to WoW, got into a hardcore raid guild I would have my top tier gear faster than I could get full ascended in GW2.

You don’t need to be in a top tier WvW guild to participate or even execute well in WvW. And the comparison to WoW is moot, because the game requires you to achieve certain gear to even try the content. That’s not the case for GW2. Having ascended gear isn’t necessary to complete anything in this game because the additional stats compared to exotics is pretty negligible.

PVStar.3658:

You don’t need to be in a top tier WvW guild to participate or even execute well in WvW. And the comparison to WoW is moot, because the game requires you to achieve certain gear to even try the content. That’s not the case for GW2. Having ascended gear isn’t necessary to complete anything in this game because the additional stats compared to exotics is pretty negligible.

so I guess in your opinion agony resistance is not needed either?

Mirta.5029:

so I guess in your opinion agony resistance is not needed either?

You can get to level 20 without any AR. With laurels and guild commendations, getting AR is incredibly easy. And above level 20 the only thing you can get are account bound weapon skins…you aren’t missing a lot (especially when you get weapons that you don’t want over and over again).

RedStar.4218:

Mirta.5029:

so I guess in your opinion agony resistance is not needed either?

You can get to level 20 without any AR. With laurels and guild commendations, getting AR is incredibly easy. And above level 20 the only thing you can get are account bound weapon skins…you aren’t missing a lot (especially when you get weapons that you don’t want over and over again).

Wow really? Because the last time I checked surviving level 15 on 0 AR is so difficult that it’s not advised. Farming level 10 for your first ring is advised.
And not missing a lot especially when dungeons getting their rewards increased to match the difficulty? Yah, you are missing out.

Harbard.5738:

Probably WvW power creep will force him to upgrade ALL that gear across all his chars, when he starts to notice other people’s full ascended is giving them an annoying edge, forcing him to pick one char only to focus the annoying grind, which will suck for him cause he’s losing variety in gameplay.

Spot on I’m in this position with 4, almost 5 lvl 80s and I want to use all of them in WvW. I’m already being emasculated by the stupid WvW progression system being character bound this only makes it worse.

Harbard.5738:

Even if someone has only one or two chars. What about multiple gear that compliment multiple builds? Effin nightmare. So effectively, he’ll have a WORSE game than before. Limited in effective builds and gameplay variety, more visibly in WvW.

Yep, again me, I like to experiment with builds, its bad enough now to try it its going to be pretty much impossible.

Mirta.5029:

Jski.6180:

Where do you read that it will be the only chose though?

I read what the article said. Crafting and random very rare acount bound drops are the only things mentioned. Going off how previous ascended items lacked choice I’m asuming that this one will too. So what I’m doing is attempting to get enough people to notice my cause, that way developers either will correct me or they will add more choice. Either way instead of risking of only having that choice we would 100% be getting a variety of choice. While we’re at it why is it not mentioned that old ascended items will become craftable? Will they even become craftable? They should become craftable, the same way that the amulet and earrings should be gotten to fractals, the same way that the whole set should be gotten with an insane amount of karma and WvW badges. For the items that we currently have the choice should be expanded and the new items should also have a wide variety of choice of how to acquire them.

PVStar.3658:

I’m not saying this is a gear based MMO, I’m saying that in gear based MMOs this is how it works, and it’s going to work the same here. The majority of the playerbase is not going to be decked out in full ascended gear, therefore the majority of the playerbase isn’t going to try and look for fully ascended geared players.

And of course there’s gear progression in this game, it’s just not an uphill slope like every other MMO out there.

Except that things like hardcore WvW guilds will come into play on Tier 1 servers making it a requirement to get this gear for their guild, making them even ruing WvW.
Funny thing is that for now Ascended items are one of the most time gated things in any game. If I went back to WoW, got into a hardcore raid guild I would have my top tier gear faster than I could get full ascended in GW2.

No you read what they are saying and you make a major jump into saying its the only way to get something. Do you think in just that overview was every thing they are going to add?

At a point i think ppl lose a lot of perspective and lose the ability to get info from outside sources then from there own minds.

Jski.6180:

No you read what they are saying and you make a major jump into saying its the only way to get something. Do you think in just that overview was every thing they are going to add?

At a point i think ppl lose a lot of perspective and lose the ability to get info from outside sources then from there own minds.

you’re doing the exact same thing though. You’re reading into a small part of the article thinking that all of the other ways of getting it will be open for armor, even though it’s not open for all of the other ascended items. If they were going to allow us to get ascended items in various ways why are we still not seeing it with old ascended items? If you think that all of the options will be available for armor why are they not available for amulets? Backpacks?

Mirta.5029:

Jski.6180:

No you read what they are saying and you make a major jump into saying its the only way to get something. Do you think in just that overview was every thing they are going to add?

At a point i think ppl lose a lot of perspective and lose the ability to get info from outside sources then from there own minds.

you’re doing the exact same thing though. You’re reading into a small part of the article thinking that all of the other ways of getting it will be open for armor, even though it’s not open for all of the other ascended items. If they were going to allow us to get ascended items in various ways why are we still not seeing it with old ascended items? If you think that all of the options will be available for armor why are they not available for amulets? Backpacks?

Nothing like that at all i am only saying that you will be able to make ascended armor though crafting and its a way of playing the game its just not YOUR way of playing. Your adding every thing else namely the view of it being the only way to get things. At this point i think if you read something you may end up not reading any thing at all and just come up with an idea what it should be saying.

Jski.6180:

Nothing like that at all i am only saying that you will be able to make ascended armor though crafting and its a way of playing the game its just not YOUR way of playing. Your adding every thing else namely the view of it being the only way to get things. At this point i think if you read something you may end up not reading any thing at all and just come up with an idea what it should be saying.

so, because it’s your way of playing do you think that we should continue with not allowing jewelers to craft amulets and rings too? Because you know dailies are still a way to get ascended, just not your way…
What I’m asking for is variety. Allowing EVERYONE to play the way that they want to play. What’s so wrong with that?

Azjenco.9425:

You do know there will be multiple ways to obtain ascended gear?

These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world.

Loot drops will definitely be another option, just hoping they don’t bottleneck the drops in too few locations to avoid massive zergs in certain spots around Tyria.

I do like the karma idea, that would be great. I hope ANet give them a slight chance of dropping in many places all over Tyria, such as JP chests and champion chests.

Rare drops: so 1. we will probably have a faint chance of it dropping like exotic currently, and 2. you will need the drop to be the stats you want which is probably so unlikely as to be almost impossible.

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

whee topics merged.

my topic now haz more posts and page views!

morrolan.9608:

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

but i read that all ascended gear are account bound.

Mirta.5029:

Jski.6180:

Nothing like that at all i am only saying that you will be able to make ascended armor though crafting and its a way of playing the game its just not YOUR way of playing. Your adding every thing else namely the view of it being the only way to get things. At this point i think if you read something you may end up not reading any thing at all and just come up with an idea what it should be saying.

so, because it’s your way of playing do you think that we should continue with not allowing jewelers to craft amulets and rings too? Because you know dailies are still a way to get ascended, just not your way…
What I’m asking for is variety. Allowing EVERYONE to play the way that they want to play. What’s so wrong with that?

Honestly i think your problems are a great deal more then this game i think your starting to lose it. What if the way of some one else is by crafting? Why would you want to remove ability to do something (mind you before its out) because your fearful? If any thing your the one trying to removing the ability for ppl playing the way they wish to.
Look at it this way “Allowing EVERYONE to play the way that they want to play. What’s so wrong with that?” right after saying “your way of playing” then saying “you know dailies are still a way to get ascended” your singling out different ways of playing the game and saying they are bad.
YOU ARE KILLING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

morrolan.9608:

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

but i read that all ascended gear are account bound.

Isn’t it only some of the mats?

Jski.6180:

you will be able to make ascended armor though crafting and its a way of playing the game its just not YOUR way of playing.

Kinda contradicts the “play your way” motto behind this game then does it not?

If Ascended items are available through fractals, crafting, laurels, wvw, dungeons AND raids then I will have zero issue with them.

As it stands, having them crafted only, severely time gated, incredibly expensive and RNG dependent on top of all of this, is about the dumbest thing I can think of.

morrolan.9608:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

morrolan.9608:

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

but i read that all ascended gear are account bound.

Isn’t it only some of the mats?

there u go:
“These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world. Ascended weapons and armor will remain account-bound like other ascended gear.”

hildegain.2106:

Jski.6180:

you will be able to make ascended armor though crafting and its a way of playing the game its just not YOUR way of playing.

Kinda contradicts the “play your way” motto behind this game then does it not?

If Ascended items are available through fractals, crafting, laurels, wvw, dungeons AND raids then I will have zero issue with them.

As it stands, having them crafted only, severely time gated, incredibly expensive and RNG dependent on top of all of this, is about the dumbest thing I can think of.

That the thing you read and overview and you think that all that going to happen IS the problem with that point of view. Your issue as you call it is nothing more then coming from your own head that has no real life info attached to it.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

there u go:
“These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world. Ascended weapons and armor will remain account-bound like other ascended gear.”

TY, that makes it a 100 times worse. Seriously, forcing players to crafting!!! This is just a bizarre decision.

morrolan.9608:

TY, that makes it a 100 times worse. Seriously, forcing players to crafting!!! This is just a bizarre decision.

If it was locked to dungeons, players would complain how it’s unfair because they are bad at dungeons. Same thing for WvW, same thing for events, same thing for JP, same thing for anything. Except crafting. Because no matter how bad you are you can craft and gather the T6 mats, especially with the new crafting rewards they want to add.

morrolan.9608:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

there u go:
“These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world. Ascended weapons and armor will remain account-bound like other ascended gear.”

TY, that makes it a 100 times worse. Seriously, forcing players to crafting!!! This is just a bizarre decision.

Finally. One utility for the crafting.
no matter how bad you are you can craft and gather the T6 mats, especially with the new crafting rewards they want to add.

at least we can craft it.

lets hope that the grind is very reasonable and not outrageous.

Except a lot of people really just hate crafting, it’s not fun to a lot of players especially not the way this game does it… Which is a bit of a train wreck tbh. So forcing people to craft so they can get the best gear is not the way to go about this, they will end up angering a lot more players than they end up pleasing.

Exotic: available relatively easily trough ALL means in the game with plenty of stat variety, you know just like we were promised to be able to obtain max stat gear

Ascended: what a load of kittens

Clearly the new players ascended gear brought in vastly outweighed the whiners and complainers that left.

Hopefully this next round gets rid of the rest of them so we can enjoy the game as it improves.

Very excited to hear we can change the stats on this gear. Cannot wait to fully equip my thief and never have to worry about anything except changing skills, traits and digits for different builds. The marginal attribute bonus really means nothing to me but the convience is something I would love to have. I wonder what the skins on these will look like?..

Fossilized Amber.1352:

Very excited to hear we can change the stats on this gear.

stats changing will only be available for legendary weapons at the moment though.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Fossilized Amber.1352:

Very excited to hear we can change the stats on this gear.

stats changing will only be available for legendary weapons at the moment though.

Whoops, yes. You’re right. As well as armor and trinkets too if I read the article correctly.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

morrolan.9608:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

morrolan.9608:

Crafters will sell them on the TP BUT given the effort in making them and the gating the cost will probably be rather high.

but i read that all ascended gear are account bound.

Isn’t it only some of the mats?

there u go:
“These weapons and armor will also be able to be found as rare drops from locations in the world. Ascended weapons and armor will remain account-bound like other ascended gear.”

Yeah, and the part about the crafters making money was:

“At 500, crafters will be able to craft ascended weapons and armor. Once you reach 500, a new tier of crafting materials will be available to you; this new tier of materials will be made by combining lower tier materials. This tier is time-constrained, so each item can only be made once per day in order to help give high-level crafters their own economy of items to build and sell that retain their value and rarity.”

I read this as saying that the new mats will be salable, since the part Deimos quoted says that the armor/weapons will be bound.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

at least we can craft it.

lets hope that the grind is very reasonable and not outrageous.

FWIW I have the master crafter title so it won’t affect me personally BUT to restrict it to crafting only is another nail in the coffin of the mantra of being able to play the way we want. Its ridiculous to force people to have to do it if they don’t want to when there is meant to be a fully functioning player economy in operation

well i also did read that the ascended armor and weapons are also available as rare drops in the world.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

well i also did read that the ascended armor and weapons are also available as rare drops in the world.

Yeah but like I said above if the drops are as rare as exotic they will be very rare indeed, then you have to get the stat combination you want which is so unlikely as to be impossible.

No, I do NOT want Ascended Weapons/Armor.

Unfortunately, I don’t think ANET will listen. Let’s just hope it wont be too bad.

Everything else about the update sounds cool though.

Yes to ascended gear if it is possible to acquire the same way as you do exotics for higher prices/rarer chance. (dungeon,karma,crafting,random drops,wvw). Additionally there should be upgrade possibility for exotics. Under these conditions I think it’s okay to add them.

This upgrade possibility will probably not be in the gemstore because it goes against Anet’s philosophy (no pay2win).

And the crafted stuff should NOT be timegated. Timegated content makes me (and probably everyone else) super angry!
Also making them account bound is pretty stupid. The crafted ones, okay, but the randomness of the stats renders dropped ascended items basically useless.

Afya.5842:

No. It’s just unnecessary.

100% agree. Nothing personal just i dont think the “players” can control their “i want that but i’m too lazy to work for it so give it to me for free” urges.

It’s more time gated content , im fine with it as long as we are not required to run any more Fractals anything but that please ! So it’s gonna be every man for himself to craft this stuff which is pretty cool. I just hope after this no more gear treadmills and preff. more epic SKIN grinds.

Honestly it doesn’t matter to me if we get it or not. I’ll still go for it, since they’re adding it, but even when they first introduced it I didn’t loose my head over it.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Crafting needed something like this to be worth-while again. No one crafts for any reason other than to level now, it’s pointless otherwise. Now you can make money and help guildies by being a 500 crafter.

From what i understand from the dev post, both new crafting materials and all the lev 500 crafted eq will be account bound, so no helping others, and no making money.
The good news is that “every ascended tier gear will be account bound” statement, coupled with legendaries becoming ascended level stat, might mean that legendaries will be account-bound as well.

RedStar.4218:

morrolan.9608:

TY, that makes it a 100 times worse. Seriously, forcing players to crafting!!! This is just a bizarre decision.

If it was locked to dungeons, players would complain how it’s unfair because they are bad at dungeons. Same thing for WvW, same thing for events, same thing for JP, same thing for anything. Including crafting.

FTFY. And the obvious solution is to not restrict it to one mode of play. Make it available through crafting, and rare world drops, but also through dungeons (including fractals) and WvW.

Astralporing.1957:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Crafting needed something like this to be worth-while again. No one crafts for any reason other than to level now, it’s pointless otherwise. Now you can make money and help guildies by being a 500 crafter.

From what i understand from the dev post, both new crafting materials and all the lev 500 crafted eq will be account bound, so no helping others, and no making money.
The good news is that “every ascended tier gear will be account bound” statement, coupled with legendaries becoming ascended level stat, might mean that legendaries will be account-bound as well.

Actually they did say that some of the crafting materials would be trade-able. Admittedly, they only said “some”

I still think it more than reasonable and necessary to ban ascended gear in World vs. World. Else PvP isn’t a matter of skill, but a matter of grind-to-win, and if that’s the case, ArenaNet can close PvP down in this game. More players for bethesda

so 7 months ago i asked the guild wars 2 PvE forum community if they want ascended armor and weapons.

i believe many expressed their opinions and said no.
but anet forced ascended armor and weapons down our throats anyway.

the crafting grind associated with obtaining them ascended armor and weapons seems quite a lot as well, though no where near the level of legendary grind.

thankfully, there are still non crafting grinding ways to obtain these ascended armors & weapons though RNG is still RNG, there is still a slim chance to obtain ascended weapons boxes from champion loot bags.

yesterday, a guild member opened 1900 champion loot bags and found 3 – 4 ascended weapon boxes from that 1900 champion loot bags.

anyway, i believe we need to push for more functionality of them ascended armors and weapons.

make it such them ascended armors & weapons are able to change skins, stats when out of combat. via a user friendly menu, of course.

provided that the skins and stats are unlocked, that is.

this is the best horizontal treadmill that everyone will love.
mark my words.
you read it first from here.