Guild Wars 2

Rama.6439:

Vayne.8563:

Calae.1738:

Seeing this company chase away their own customer’s is quite funny to watch actually.

I hope they keep doing this.

They’re chasing away the hard core farmers who complain on every forum in every game. If they all left, it wouldn’t substantially make that much of a difference. There aren’t as many of them as you seem to think.

What about the players who complain about wanting permanent content, they aren’t “hard core farmers” yet they seem to be chasing them away to. I don’t think you have a clue about what you are talking about. You don’t know what other players want or don’t want, and you don’t know what Anet’s intentions are so don’t act like you do, you’re just blowing a bunch of hot air at all of us and so what if you’re anti-farming, good for you, then say what ya have to say and leave it at that.

And as far as farmers in the game, I would think that anyone who plans on going for a Legendary, at any point in game, would have to be called a farmer, of some type, because they farm either the mats for the gifts, or the gold to acquire the mats for the gifts.

The constant insults don’t really do your arguments any favors. It’s clear that I know what I’m talking about, but you don’t understand me.

Anet is trialing a bunch of stuff, and the most popular stuff will later become permanent content. They trial smaller faster things to see what sticks. It’s a pretty good strategy. It does get people back into the game every patch day, it does give us something to do, and it is a good litmus test to see what people are enjoying.

Some people ARE being chased away but I think some people are also discovering (and in some cases rediscovering the game).

It’s a tough industry. Lots of competition. More than ever. And some people will leave. Not everyone is going to like every game. But that’s true of most MMOs. Rift isn’t going free to play because a zillion people are paying subscriptions. SWToR didn’t go free to play because it wasn’t losing subs. TSW didn’t go buy to play because it was successful.

People jump games all the time, but that doesn’t mean that the game won’t be successful and it doesn’t mean people don’t come back to play the monthly updates.

But sure, some people will leave and not come back. So?

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

An evil thought came to me that what if(not that they would) ANET is keeping the supply of dust in the thousands(as a gold sink), after all it’s their game, they can create dust with the push of a button. Just a thought mind you(probably goes with the conspiracy theories).

Uruz Six.6594:

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

Thanx, that’s what I was looking for. I looked at the graph from Jan-Jun and it appears that today’s supply of sell orders (that is, dusts parked on the TP for immediate purchase) is about average. There have been a few dips, and a few rises in supply, low in March, high in April/May.

So, yeah. No crisis.

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

OliverT.9021:

I understand the logic behind the argument that these materials are virtual and therefore cannot so called “run out”. However, if you remember a previous example, the exotic staff “Final Rest” was also a virtual item, and 7 months into the game, it could not be found.

I’m sure most of us who followed the Final Rest debacle fondly remember how Anet says it’s a rare drop and that’s why it’s not found yet. Lo and behold, one shady patch later, Final Rest started dropping like nobody’s business.

1. it was a confirmed rare drop on a bugged event chest
2. in that patch several changes were openly confirmed
2.1 behemoth event was fixed so it ran every 2 hours instead of never (!)
2.2 drop rates for exotics were buffed
2.3 at least rares were guaranteed

All that was doubly confirmed by Colin as the source of all those sudden Final Rest sta kitten .

There’s nothing shady about that …

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

Ok, I’ll bite. A few months ago I crafted oils/sharpening stones. I’d say per hour, about 2k to 3k sharpening stones and 2k to 3k oils were sold. Let’s say 5000 together. 5000:5=1000 dust. Per hour. For just these two. Crystals sold much slower so I stopped selling those.

Now consider all the other recipes this is needed for, including t5 to t6 upgrades (pointless now due to the dust price), at least 20 potions, five or so mystic weapons (250 each), three pendants (250 each) which become the easymode ascended amulet, the gift of magic (legendary), container bags, and three gifts to create weapons. I probably missed a lot here, these are just a few I know of.

CMF.5461:

As I have recently run out of my own supply of t6 dust this thread caught my eye. I have not farmed too extensively anywhere but I do have a simple question.

Sure the stationary location farming spots have been nerfed to be less effective than before, but can you not just farm the zone by moving around and still loot the dusts?

I see outrage because of a “spot” or two are not worth it anymore, but I can’t believe that dust is completely unobtainable anymore unless those spots become active again.

The problem is, that the answer to everything is : go farm CoF Path 1 .. and nobody seems to notice that there drops no dust .. and the more people that farm CoF the higher the prices of dust will go until it is maybe as high that you can earn the same money with farming in Orr than with doin CoF.

Beldin.5498:

CMF.5461:

As I have recently run out of my own supply of t6 dust this thread caught my eye. I have not farmed too extensively anywhere but I do have a simple question.

Sure the stationary location farming spots have been nerfed to be less effective than before, but can you not just farm the zone by moving around and still loot the dusts?

I see outrage because of a “spot” or two are not worth it anymore, but I can’t believe that dust is completely unobtainable anymore unless those spots become active again.

The problem is, that the answer to everything is : go farm CoF Path 1 .. and nobody seems to notice that there drops no dust .. and the more people that farm CoF the higher the prices of dust will go until it is maybe as high that you can earn the same money with farming in Orr than with doin CoF.

Lots of people who hate dungeons farm solo. That will continue. The price has dropped because for the time being, Southsun is more profitable than Orr. When the event is over it will change again.

Vayne.8563:

Lots of people who hate dungeons farm solo. That will continue. The price has dropped because for the time being, Southsun is more profitable than Orr. When the event is over it will change again.

I know .. i’m myself somebody who prefers open world farming. At the moment it also confuses me what is with the prices from T3 wood, herbs, gold and whatever. They also are really high at the moment. One specific herb i sold for a max 7.5 silver today.

However i’m happy about that because i can make some nice money now with harvesting in a lvl 45 zone .. and thats much more the vision of the game then just running CoF

It’s only a matter of time before the speculator’s stash, which is now being dumped on the TP, gets run out. It’s going to run out, just like how armored scales ran out after a few months.

The average player must hope that they patch the drop rate before it runs out.

Vol.5241:

It’s only a matter of time before the speculator’s stash, which is now being dumped on the TP, gets run out. It’s going to run out, just like how armored scales ran out after a few months.

The average player must hope that they patch the drop rate before it runs out.

I wonder what the next excuse will be when the drop rate doesn’t run out. ‘The speculators had really really big stashes!’

Buttercup.5871:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

Ok, I’ll bite. A few months ago I crafted oils/sharpening stones. I’d say per hour, about 2k to 3k sharpening stones and 2k to 3k oils were sold. Let’s say 5000 together. 5000:5=1000 dust. Per hour. For just these two. Crystals sold much slower so I stopped selling those.

Now consider all the other recipes this is needed for, including t5 to t6 upgrades (pointless now due to the dust price), at least 20 potions, five or so mystic weapons (250 each), three pendants (250 each) which become the easymode ascended amulet, the gift of magic (legendary), container bags, and three gifts to create weapons. I probably missed a lot here, these are just a few I know of.

Thanx… well, the point is, it’s a commodity in high demand. That means every day, a lot of buy orders are bid and filled, and a lot of sell orders are listed and sold. The number of units listed on the TP under sell orders is not the entire world’s supply.

There have been times in recent months when sell orders had an even smaller quantity available for instant purchase than they do now. And the supply is rising, I’d say because SS is winding down, speculators know the supply will increase and are grabbing whatever money they can before prices drop, and people who have noticed the price increase are actively looking for dusts to sell.

When the item is too high for speculators to buy, they sell what they have, both decreasing demand for it while increasing supply. This will lower prices until it reaches the point they start buying again.

The system is self-correcting, even more so than in the real world because in the game you don’t have to wait for crops to grow or goods to be manufactured before you can sell them.

Dust should be the cheapest T6 material by far, based on its uses in game.

You need dust to convert T5 mats and cores. However, what is most personally bothersome to me is that crafting sharpening stones/artificer crystals or potions is just no longer an option.

I would like to make consumables for myself and friends, but the prices on dust mean that it is no longer feasible.

I remember when I used to constantly have both food and potions up… it’s sad that those days are long over.

ClinkyDink.9364:

Dust should be the cheapest T6 material by far, based on its uses in game.

You need dust to convert T5 mats and cores. However, what is most personally bothersome to me is that crafting sharpening stones/artificer crystals or potions is just no longer an option.

I would like to make consumables for myself and friends, but the prices on dust mean that it is no longer feasible.

I remember when I used to constantly have both food and potions up… it’s sad that those days are long over.

They are selling for around 11 silver right now. The materials needed as I’m sure you know are 1 pile of crystaline dust, and 1 orichalcum ingot. The dust can still be farmed instead of bought, it simply isn’t being done as much now because of the event + slowed spawn times of camps. If you farm the ori and the dust each craft makes 5 stones. For 1 dust + 2 ori ores you make 5 Superior Sharpening Stones worth 11 silver each, 55 silver total. Dust now is about 39/40 silver. If you bought one, which would be a terrible idea to make profit at any time during the game, it would cost say 40 silver. 2 Ori ores is around 8 silver, that’s 48 silver total if you foolishly buy all the mats to craft.

So again, it would cost 48 silver to make 5 stones, you sell for 55 silver. It isn’t a great deal either way, but I’m not seeing it as being impossible. But the rule of thumb is to farm mats yourself for crafts, and not to buy them.

For more exact numbers: http://www.gw2spidy.com/recipe/5401

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

Because if the price continues to decline people won’t be able to blame anet anymore and all the name calling will have been for nothing. What a terrible thought :P

Rama.6439:

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Click the link again. Move the graph back to February. Notice the sell listings during March. Compare to where they are now. Show us where the nerf from pre-Lyssa numbers is at.

On that note, then look at April. And May, and then right before the Lyssa nerf hit. The number of sell listings doubled to 10k in the six days leading up to the nerf. Show us how that was working as intended.

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It shows that there was a greater problem at Lyssa than just inconsiderate farmers. It also shows us that any cries of ‘stealth nerf’ don’t match with the fact that production now is roughly where it was before Lyssa became dust farmer central.

The facts are there, its your call if you want to argue against them or not.

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

11 hours ago dust was at 38s 77c and it is at this time going for 39s 59c so prices are going up not down.

ClinkyDink.9364:

Dust should be the cheapest T6 material by far, based on its uses in game.

Prices on the TP are set by players, not Anet. And you have it reversed – when the demand for something increases, the price goes up. If no one had any use for dust except maybe some obscure crafting recipe they use for getting a few points in artificer and then forget about, then it would be cheap because there would be 50,000 units on the TP that no one wants.

All tiers of Dust should be a Salvage item from certain weapons just like it was in GW1.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

…gotta love how Anet broke so many things for this game that used to be perfect and we get these HUGE THREADS that go on forever, every month about what should be done or what the speculators & fankids think shouldn’t be done…

GIMME A BREAK. And stop “fixing” things that weren’t broken in the first game

Geotherma.2395:

ClinkyDink.9364:

Dust should be the cheapest T6 material by far, based on its uses in game.

You need dust to convert T5 mats and cores. However, what is most personally bothersome to me is that crafting sharpening stones/artificer crystals or potions is just no longer an option.

I would like to make consumables for myself and friends, but the prices on dust mean that it is no longer feasible.

I remember when I used to constantly have both food and potions up… it’s sad that those days are long over.

They are selling for around 11 silver right now. The materials needed as I’m sure you know are 1 pile of crystaline dust, and 1 orichalcum ingot. The dust can still be farmed instead of bought, it simply isn’t being done as much now because of the event + slowed spawn times of camps. If you farm the ori and the dust each craft makes 5 stones. For 1 dust + 2 ori ores you make 5 Superior Sharpening Stones worth 11 silver each, 55 silver total. Dust now is about 39/40 silver. If you bought one, which would be a terrible idea to make profit at any time during the game, it would cost say 40 silver. 2 Ori ores is around 8 silver, that’s 48 silver total if you foolishly buy all the mats to craft.

So again, it would cost 48 silver to make 5 stones, you sell for 55 silver. It isn’t a great deal either way, but I’m not seeing it as being impossible. But the rule of thumb is to farm mats yourself for crafts, and not to buy them.

For more exact numbers: http://www.gw2spidy.com/recipe/5401

Uh farming the mats yourself is similar to just buying the mat. It isn’t foolish to buy mats for crafting.

It amazes me how people ignore opportunity cost in gw2.

So for example if dust was 1g, you would consider it ok to make sharpening stones that sold for 11s each as long as you farmed the dust yourself?
Remember that buyers don’t pay TP tax, only sellers do. So if you buy dust at 48 silver added 2 ori orr and made your sharpening stones you are saving money over the current TP price. However because of the 15% TP tax there is a very small margin to make a profit buying and crafting the item for sale. Meaning that if you were farming dust, you are better off just selling the dust instead of crafting it for stones. But you are totally ok buying dust to craft it for stones you are going to use.

Draygo.9473:

Geotherma.2395:

ClinkyDink.9364:

Dust should be the cheapest T6 material by far, based on its uses in game.

You need dust to convert T5 mats and cores. However, what is most personally bothersome to me is that crafting sharpening stones/artificer crystals or potions is just no longer an option.

I would like to make consumables for myself and friends, but the prices on dust mean that it is no longer feasible.

I remember when I used to constantly have both food and potions up… it’s sad that those days are long over.

They are selling for around 11 silver right now. The materials needed as I’m sure you know are 1 pile of crystaline dust, and 1 orichalcum ingot. The dust can still be farmed instead of bought, it simply isn’t being done as much now because of the event + slowed spawn times of camps. If you farm the ori and the dust each craft makes 5 stones. For 1 dust + 2 ori ores you make 5 Superior Sharpening Stones worth 11 silver each, 55 silver total. Dust now is about 39/40 silver. If you bought one, which would be a terrible idea to make profit at any time during the game, it would cost say 40 silver. 2 Ori ores is around 8 silver, that’s 48 silver total if you foolishly buy all the mats to craft.

So again, it would cost 48 silver to make 5 stones, you sell for 55 silver. It isn’t a great deal either way, but I’m not seeing it as being impossible. But the rule of thumb is to farm mats yourself for crafts, and not to buy them.

For more exact numbers: http://www.gw2spidy.com/recipe/5401

Uh farming the mats yourself is similar to just buying the mat. It isn’t foolish to buy mats for crafting.

It amazes me how people ignore opportunity cost in gw2.

So for example if dust was 1g, you would consider it ok to make sharpening stones that sold for 11s each as long as you farmed the dust yourself?
Remember that buyers don’t pay TP tax, only sellers do. So if you buy dust at 48 silver added 2 ori orr and made your sharpening stones you are saving money over the current TP price. However because of the 15% TP tax there is a very small margin to make a profit buying and crafting the item for sale. Meaning that if you were farming dust, you are better off just selling the dust instead of crafting it for stones. But you are totally ok buying dust to craft it for stones you are going to use.

If you craft, generally you farm your own mats, you make more then buying and making. This is generally common sense, and practice. If you want direct money you sell mats, if you want to supply the economy with a wanted item you make it. If dust was 1g it would make more sense to sell it yes, if your end goal was to make money. But that is the economy and personal choice. It is no where near that level yet and probably never will be.

Vayne.8563:

Because if you’re not hard core, how vested in it would you be to worry about it? Hard-core farmers by definition would be the ones complaining. They’re the ones that have a real stake in farming. People who farm casually, there are a bunch in my guild, aren’t vested enough to scream at the forums.

I’m not hard core and I’m complaining. There are other that have complained that state that they only farm when they feel like it.

Totally agree with op

please look into this guys it’s getting really out of control

It is going to go down soon, supply will rise and price will lower. And people can stop screaming the sky is falling without doing any research for themselves…

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I don’t have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day. None of us do. It doesn’t mean we cannot make a calculated estimate on that.

Let’s look at Silk Scraps for example. How do we know that if the game is producing more than it is being consumed?

Then let’s look at Charged Lodestones. How do we know that if the game is producing more than it is being consumed? Especially during the days before the Orrian boxes were introduced and the buff to the drops on these items in the CoE dungeon. How do we know that it is now being sufficiently produced?

After analyzing, one of the clear metrics that gives us a lot of information is the price.

Regardless whether it is actually consumed, i.e. thrown into the mystic forge for making stuff, or bought for investment/speculation purposes, the buyer can only click “buy”.

The same goes with the sellers. Hence, the end demand and end supply will give you some sort of idea how the market is like for that particular material. Thus, we say, in the price, it has incorporated all the unseen and unobservable factors.

Price stability is also key. Like Silk Scraps and the Charged Lodestones, regardless of the presence of “investors”, “flippers” or “speculators”, the rate of change of the price and the price trends will tell you that more or less, charged lodestones are in equilibrium, barring any new developments such as new receipes etc.

The fact that price for Crystalline Dust is still trending with an upward bias tells me that supply is not outstripping or meeting demand at this point.

OliverT.9021:

The fact that price for Crystalline Dust is still trending with an upward bias tells me that supply is not outstripping or meeting demand at this point.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24277

According to Spidy, sell orders for dust have been pretty steady for the last day or so and are sitting at about triple the amount there were a few days ago.

For those of us using Nourishments (all of which require dust at every grade up to and incl. 6) this is also rather taxing, I hope it gets attention soon.

ilr.9675:

All tiers of Dust should be a Salvage item from certain weapons just like it was in GW1.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

…gotta love how Anet broke so many things for this game that used to be perfect and we get these HUGE THREADS that go on forever, every month about what should be done or what the speculators & fankids think shouldn’t be done…

GIMME A BREAK. And stop “fixing” things that weren’t broken in the first game

I’d personally love that since all I get are mostly whites all the time anyways. If I could get these dusts off the whites from the level 75-80 drops there wouldn’t be a single issue. Along with the lodestones, powerful bloods, the vicious claws etc etc. All the crazy insane win the lottery drops for those of us who hit DR after 6 kills in any event anywhere would be fixed.

I should also add that items like consumables and crafted products suffer even worse from these shortages, because when an item is used in so many different recipes the value of the item itself fast eclipses the value of any one specific end product. This doubles up the price hike, since the value of dust itself keeps increasing and since there are less consumables on the market being crafted (with little incentive to craft them when dust is so valuable).

Im Mudbone.1437:

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

11 hours ago dust was at 38s 77c and it is at this time going for 39s 59c so prices are going up not down.

The prices are fluctuating and Southsun Cove isn’t over yet. Thanks for reading.

Lot’s of NA numbers here it seems. European market currently has 624 piles. Even if I want to build lets say The Bifrost, and buy all Dust, I wouldn’t have enough.

You know, as a moderately successful trader who made over 1000g on the TP, Vayne’s post is what I find to be mostly naive and I feel like I need to shut his comments down, especially when people wants to back him up. While I do think the price is going to fall, it’s because Anet’s about to come and change something to the loot system, and not because there’s a lack of players “farming” in Orr, even though it’s part of the reason.

First of all, I find it highly suspicious that the majority of you really know what’s going on in CS. One of the particular events that I do is escorting the NPC to Temple of Melandru, and for participating two of this, I got about 40 moldy bags in total with 160% MF, none of the bags dropped a single crystalline dust. But I did get around 2 crystalline dusts from mobs for the 2 events, in total of 50-60 minutes excluding waiting time. I didn’t bother to check out my tier 5 dust, but I assume it’s around 10-20.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Heavy_Moldy_Bag/Drop_rate

Now that’s only one source of Crystalline dust, which if you take a look, is only 1.11%. I did not participate in hitting the 3 waypoints, of which spider hatchlings drop nothing, but a few stated they got 1-2 c.dust out of 3 events (poor sample). This is where it gets into the grey area, and what I see as risk assessment (for TP)

It’s either

a) Players can’t give a crap about doing CS anymore, and runs off to more profitable aspects such as dungeons. (dust rises to 45 silvers)
b) Moderate population doing CS, dust remains at the price of 35 silvers – 40 silvers+ (most likely case.)
c) Large population does CS, dust goes down to 30 silvers (very unlikely), read reason below.
d) Everyone farms CS, dust goes back to 25 silvers (extremely unlikely), everyone’s going to be busy with dragon bash event.

All of which is without Anet’s interference (meaning they are doing NOTHING about this even after the incoming’s patch). I participated in a single day of union’s waypoint “farm”, and the amount of c.dust that I think I got was 20~ or so. That’s at least 10 times the rate compared to doing an event in CS, and how effective it was, and directly comparable to how much COF p1 gives out with the occasional rares and mats drop.

Since I don’t have the exact figures, it’s hard to know what exactly supply demand is, but here’s the statistics that’s most likely.

1-3 crystalline dust in 1 hour per player (remember you have DR as well.), so I doubt people are going to want to “farm” in CS.

So in theory, if Anet doesn’t do anything, demand will rise (because players are waiting for Anet to do something/looking forward to patch fix) or continue to wait. In any case, the damage is definitely done. I can hardly see the supply outstripping the demand currently, mainly because another source (union waypoint) has been completely closed.

Edit: Did melandru, waypoint events, grenth at Jade Quarry (I can only imagine the emptiness in other servers and poor loot drops). Did not do Arah, plinx.

LoneWolfie.1852:

You know, as a moderately successful trader who made over 1000g on the TP, Vayne’s post is what I find to be mostly naive and I feel like I need to shut his comments down, especially when people wants to back him up. While I do think the price is going to fall, it’s because Anet’s about to come and change something to the loot system, and not because there’s a lack of players “farming” in Orr, even though it’s part of the reason.

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

First of all, I find it highly suspicious that the majority of you know what’s going on in CS. One of the particular events that I do is escorting the NPC to Temple of Melandru, and for participating two of this, I got about 40 moldy bags in total with 160% MF, none of the bags dropped a single crystalline dust. But I did get around 2 crystalline dusts from mobs for the 2 events, in total of 50-60 minutes excluding waiting time. I didn’t bother to check out my tier 5 dust, but I assume it’s around 10-20.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

1-3 crystalline dust in 1 hour per player (remember you have DR as well.), so I doubt people are going to want to “farm” in CS.

Because dust is all they’re going for, and not omnoms, orichalchum, other T6 mats, and the chance for the odd rare or exotic.

So in theory, if Anet doesn’t do anything, demand will rise (because players are waiting for Anet to do something/looking forward to patch fix) or continue to wait. In any case, the damage is definitely done. I can hardly see the supply outstripping the demand currently, mainly because another source (union waypoint) has been completely closed.

Which is why sell orders are up, buy orders are dropping back towards 30k, and the price has been pretty flat for a good week.

Speculation that Anet will do something about it is obviously high enough for people to start selling. It’s a sign that prices have reached the peak and the people who bought early on is starting to sell back (why did you think buy orders went up to 31500 to 40000). Do you really think dust suddenly appeared by magic and started selling by the thousands? Where the heck did the supply come from?

24th – 10000 sell listings, 31500 buy listings
30th – 1500 sell listings, 38000 buy listings
7th June – 4600 sell listings, 35000 buy listings

HMMM. Is it me or did that 8500 dust suddenly reappeared?

Uruz Six.6594:

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.

Also, about that price thing, 200% inflation due to economic shortage does not make for lack of a problem it makes for a bigger problem. The runes and sigils I’ve been following that have been steadily inflating every time there’s a shortage due to loot nerfs over the months I’ve watched them have become in the high gold range and have not stopped inflating.

The economy is going down the toilet, any and every new player knows this from experience and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. The fact that they have allowed any of the prices on these things to be way over the top in the 9-13 gold range without a method of getting them without gold is sad.

Economic shortage through loot nerfs is never the answer to a problem and it extends well beyond this one item has all along. People say you can get geared just by leveling to 80, not when you factor into the equation that you have to farm just to get runes and sigils for multiple weapon types and for the most expensive and demanded build in the game, Zerker.
Which is why sell orders are up, buy orders are dropping back towards 30k, and the price has been pretty flat for a good week.[/quote]

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s even been spotted in class forums posting things like “because there’s balance in PVP your class is perfectly fine to play in PVE” nonsense.

Also, about that price thing, 200% inflation due to economic shortage does not make for lack of a problem it makes for a bigger problem. The runes and sigils I’ve been following that have been steadily inflating every time there’s a shortage due to loot nerfs over the months I’ve watched them have become in the high gold range and have not stopped inflating.

The economy is going down the toilet, any and every new player knows this from experience and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that. The fact that they have allowed any of the prices on these things to be way over the top in the 9-13 gold range without a method of getting them without gold is sad.

Economic shortage through loot nerfs is never the answer to a problem and it extends well beyond this one item has all along. People say you can get geared just by leveling to 80, not when you factor into the equation that you have to farm just to get runes and sigils for multiple weapon types and for the most expensive and demanded build in the game, Zerker.

The game needs a better system of acquiring runes and sigils for gearing. RNG is bad enough but having everything cost 1 single currency is really really bad game design as we’ve all seen in other mmos from long ago who’s developers also had to learn this the hard way.

And on top of the nerfs in this case there’s also speculation that there is indeed still something wrong with DR sticking to certain accounts no matter what anyone tries to relieve it.

tigirius.9014:

Uruz Six.6594:

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.

Except for the RNG boxes that I complain about (fairly often), the personal story ending in a dungeon when the rest of it has been solo, the fact that you see other people in that personal story instead of your own character, the fact that I was more involved in my characters in Guild Wars 1 than here, the fact that there needs to be more build variety (which I have stated)…and probably others I can’t remember off hand.

Maybe it’s just that I disagree with the stuff YOU say that makes you think that I don’t see problems with the game. There are plenty of problems.

They’re just different from yours, because I have a different play style.

All I see is a bunch of “Anet is making events to raise the price on dust”, sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? Cause it is. And then on top of that a mysterious supply was added. Seriously? My god if this is the state of mind of “logical” people on these forums, I seriously worry for your well being. I can’t believe so many people are such conspiracy theorists, it just astonishes me. Feel like I’m reading the Zeitgeist forums… And PS for the people who obviously don’t get how DR works, it isn’t just being in an area for one hour, holy kittens and quaggans whats wrong with people.

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Uruz Six.6594:

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.

Except for the RNG boxes that I complain about (fairly often), the personal story ending in a dungeon when the rest of it has been solo, the fact that you see other people in that personal story instead of your own character, the fact that I was more involved in my characters in Guild Wars 1 than here, the fact that there needs to be more build variety (which I have stated)…and probably others I can’t remember off hand.

Maybe it’s just that I disagree with the stuff YOU say that makes you think that I don’t see problems with the game. There are plenty of problems.

They’re just different from yours, because I have a different play style.

if you have different problem then why are you here?
if you have different play style then dont hate on us.
Farming is the main component of MMo except its a CASUAL MMO where grinding isn’t required.
GW can’t be considered casual since as we know, Legendary needs grinding (For most people, unlike vayne).
we are mostly aware that events gives rare and we do events because it gives rare. What if it doesnt give rare? obviously you wont see many players doing the event.
Then is it a farm? Yes Ofc. You are farming rares!
Clearly some people doesn’t like it when they’re less successful than others

EXireXs.3602:

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Uruz Six.6594:

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.

Except for the RNG boxes that I complain about (fairly often), the personal story ending in a dungeon when the rest of it has been solo, the fact that you see other people in that personal story instead of your own character, the fact that I was more involved in my characters in Guild Wars 1 than here, the fact that there needs to be more build variety (which I have stated)…and probably others I can’t remember off hand.

Maybe it’s just that I disagree with the stuff YOU say that makes you think that I don’t see problems with the game. There are plenty of problems.

They’re just different from yours, because I have a different play style.

if you have different problem then why are you here?
if you have different play style then dont hate on us.
Farming is the main component of MMo except its a CASUAL MMO where grinding isn’t required.
GW can’t be considered casual since as we know, Legendary needs grinding (For most people, unlike vayne).
we are mostly aware that events gives rare and we do events because it gives rare. What if it doesnt give rare? obviously you wont see many players doing the event.
Then is it a farm? Yes Ofc. You are farming rares!
Clearly some people doesn’t like it when they’re less successful than others

First of all, I’m not hating on you. I’m disagreeing with the premise of the thread. I don’t believe there’s a “crisis” involving crystalline dust. Surely I have the right to believe that.

Prices on mats are going to fluctuate and changes are made in MMOs all the time which affect things. The biggest change most recently has been the Southsun event, which has pulled most of the farmers out of Orr.

But I think what will end up happening is that people will see the value of dust and fine ways and places to farm it. It’s self-regulating. The higher the price goes, the more people will go after it.

It may never be as cheap as it was at one point, but I don’t believe the price will keep going up. I believe it will go back down.

That’s why I’m here, in this thread.

EXireXs.3602:

GW can’t be considered casual since as we know, Legendary needs grinding (For most people, unlike vayne).

Or like me, or anyone who just plays the game for its own sake and doesn’t get obsessed with shinies.

As for the dust, current supply via sell order is higher than it was March, and the sky didn’t fall back then, either.

Geotherma.2395:

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

Because if the price continues to decline people won’t be able to blame anet anymore and all the name calling will have been for nothing. What a terrible thought :P

39s 50c I’m waiting for this decline so you tell me when it happens okay….

Geotherma.2395:

All I see is a bunch of “Anet is making events to raise the price on dust”, sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? Cause it is. And then on top of that a mysterious supply was added. Seriously? My god if this is the state of mind of “logical” people on these forums, I seriously worry for your well being. I can’t believe so many people are such conspiracy theorists, it just astonishes me. Feel like I’m reading the Zeitgeist forums… And PS for the people who obviously don’t get how DR works, it isn’t just being in an area for one hour, holy kittens and quaggans whats wrong with people.

I don’t know who said anything about Anet “making events to raise the price of dust” We are talking about Anet nerfing the events in Orr and the loot tables of all the mobs in Orr so that pretty much no one wants to go there anymore except to do the temples and leave.

Rama.6439:

Geotherma.2395:

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

Because if the price continues to decline people won’t be able to blame anet anymore and all the name calling will have been for nothing. What a terrible thought :P

39s 50c I’m waiting for this decline so you tell me when it happens okay….

Geotherma.2395:

All I see is a bunch of “Anet is making events to raise the price on dust”, sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? Cause it is. And then on top of that a mysterious supply was added. Seriously? My god if this is the state of mind of “logical” people on these forums, I seriously worry for your well being. I can’t believe so many people are such conspiracy theorists, it just astonishes me. Feel like I’m reading the Zeitgeist forums… And PS for the people who obviously don’t get how DR works, it isn’t just being in an area for one hour, holy kittens and quaggans whats wrong with people.

I don’t know who said anything about Anet “making events to raise the price of dust” We are talking about Anet nerfing the events in Orr and the loot tables of all the mobs in Orr so that pretty much no one wants to go there anymore except to do the temples and leave.

Someone mentioned that arenanet is controlling the price by pushing people to other areas for the event on purpose..

And yes, if I remember, i will let you know when it drops

Also! I’m hoping for a check soon from some old stuff I’m owed, if it is before the 11th I will sit in Orr for 20 hours and put down the mf bonfires and omnomberry trays to quell these ridiculous theories about how it is all anets fault the dust is high. It is clear to me and others what is really happening here, and it is not the devs fault for it. I’d keep banners up all day but I transferred to a busier server and lost my upgrades WTB guild transfer tickets..

Vayne.8563:

EXireXs.3602:

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Uruz Six.6594:

I love the fact thakittens now turning into a crusade to shut Vayne up. Something something then they laugh at you something.

As for Anet’s ‘changing’ the loot system, I have an outstanding question as to whether or not the Magic / Gold Find NPCs will make their way across Tyria, but that remains to be seen.

More ancedotal evidence!

Meanwhile, prices have stabilized over the past week and sell listings are still higher than March and early May.

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything. He’s pretty much made a name for himself by denying every problem players face and trying to convince the world there’s nothing wrong with anything, the game has no issues according to Vayne.

Except for the RNG boxes that I complain about (fairly often), the personal story ending in a dungeon when the rest of it has been solo, the fact that you see other people in that personal story instead of your own character, the fact that I was more involved in my characters in Guild Wars 1 than here, the fact that there needs to be more build variety (which I have stated)…and probably others I can’t remember off hand.

Maybe it’s just that I disagree with the stuff YOU say that makes you think that I don’t see problems with the game. There are plenty of problems.

They’re just different from yours, because I have a different play style.

if you have different problem then why are you here?
if you have different play style then dont hate on us.
Farming is the main component of MMo except its a CASUAL MMO where grinding isn’t required.
GW can’t be considered casual since as we know, Legendary needs grinding (For most people, unlike vayne).
we are mostly aware that events gives rare and we do events because it gives rare. What if it doesnt give rare? obviously you wont see many players doing the event.
Then is it a farm? Yes Ofc. You are farming rares!
Clearly some people doesn’t like it when they’re less successful than others

First of all, I’m not hating on you. I’m disagreeing with the premise of the thread. I don’t believe there’s a “crisis” involving crystalline dust. Surely I have the right to believe that.

Prices on mats are going to fluctuate and changes are made in MMOs all the time which affect things. The biggest change most recently has been the Southsun event, which has pulled most of the farmers out of Orr.

But I think what will end up happening is that people will see the value of dust and fine ways and places to farm it. It’s self-regulating. The higher the price goes, the more people will go after it.

It may never be as cheap as it was at one point, but I don’t believe the price will keep going up. I believe it will go back down.

That’s why I’m here, in this thread.

The only group/person I can choose to believe in is one who’s either

a) Extremely experienced MMO gamer who made over 10000 g.
b) A real trader IRL
c) One’s who able to pull out real statistics and historical trends.

And of all which has to be tied to the Material Tap (the supply which has been repeatedly nerfed) and Material Sink (the demand), where supply > demand for stability.

The probable biggest demand:

1) Legendary component
2) Charged lodestones ascension
3) WvW usage of Superior hardened stones
4) Misc.

From the way I see it, the “farmers” are waiting to see if anet steps in, and they won’t go back to a dreary place like CS because it’s what they have been doing since start of gw2. I won’t do it, so dust prices going up is just as likely.

One thing that I really dislike is the thumbs up feature on opinions like yours. It might sound logical but there are way more factors in c.dust than you think, and people need to see clearly what’s going on. If anet’s going to increase the C.Dust supply with the next patch, it’s anet’s credit, not yours and not the farmers.

This is how terrifically bad the supply is right now. It’s worse than getting armored scale and blood, and one day the supply will dry up (which is still flooded from the union waypoint’s dust).

People say you can get geared just by leveling to 80

This was true on my main Necro that started on the headstart. I got my alt Guardian to 80 recently and couldn’t afford a single exotic when my main Necro I could kit out in full exotics at 80.

“We don’t make grindy games” Yeah, sure you don’t. But you’re sure as hell trying to.

Paul.4081:

This was true on my main Necro that started on the headstart. I got my alt Guardian to 80 recently and couldn’t afford a single exotic when my main Necro I could kit out in full exotics at 80.

“We don’t make grindy games” Yeah, sure you don’t. But you’re sure as hell trying to.

6 level 80 alts, 2 I’m still working on and I still had no problem gearing out. Especially having in mind that if you level without crafting you’ll probably do at least 2 level 60 to 70 zones that give 2 exotics each to sell on 100% completion, then you’ll probably still need both 70-75 and 75-80 or 70-75 and 70-80, which once again give exos to sell.

It is all the Devs fault, they just nerfed another farming spot, and this wasn’t even a T6 farming area, dont you get it, they don’t want us to have anything without us paying out the kitten . Come on Vayne, try and debunk this one…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Another-Farming-Spot-Gets-Stealth-Nerfed/first#post2180532

Rama.6439:

It is all the Devs fault, they just nerfed another farming spot, and this wasn’t even a T6 farming area, dont you get it, they don’t want us to have anything without us paying out the kitten . Come on Vayne, make something up for this one…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Another-Farming-Spot-Gets-Stealth-Nerfed/first#post2180532

A: Stop depending on one sole source of farming, less disappointment will arise.