Guild Wars 2

Vayne.8563:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I think this pretty much sums up the problem with Dust:

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24277

Clearly there is a problem, I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise with a straight face. The lyssa farm managed to temporarily stabilize dust prices, but with that gone they are back on their parabolic rise.

I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that the price increase is due to Southsun either. The price stayed completely stable for 15 days after the introduction of the new Southsun content, long past the time most players had completed and left that content. Then 1 hour after the nerf the rise in price started and is still slowly increasing.

Most of the playerbase did NOT leave Southsun though, that’s the error in your thinking. A whole lot of people who used to spend most of their time in Orr discovered the +200% magic find buff and started spending all their time in Southsun, running back and forth between two chests for most of it.

The thing is, before Southsun, Orr on Tarnished Coast was a busy place EVEN AFTER THE NERF. We regularly had temples open. We had people running the event chains there.

Once the Southsun even started, even a week after, Orr on Tarnished Coast was a ghost town. Far far less people running Orr.

I’m not sure why you think farmers wouldn’t be interested in the 200% magic find buff that only worked on Southsun, particularly before they fixed the skelk bug, but even after, there are a whole lot of people still farming the Southsun events.

I’m not sure how anyone can discout Southsun and keep a straight face.

Well we will find out tomorrow I suppose. Assuming they remove the buff people should migrate back to Orr tomorrow and according to you that means the dust price should start to fall again. If it doesn’t fall then it would appear that the rise was due to the nerfs and not the event.

If they don’t remove the buff then people might stay and the new price of dust will also stay and I consider that a problem since the dust price is out of line with what I think its useable price should be to keep casual players playing.

I would like to add a surprising discovery I made while farming Lodestones in Malchor’s:

Earth Elementals can drop T6 Dust. I’d gotten around three or four T5 Dusts from them in about an hour’s worth of play, which was surprising enough, but when I saw the Crystalline drop I was baffled. I was in full DPS gear with about 45% MF from an Omnom Bar and a Sigil.

I doubt this would be a reliable farm as you’d need Melandru uncontested and I got as much T6 Dust within the hour as I did Lodestones (i.e. one), but there you go.

OliverT.9021:

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For record keeping, currently T6 dust is buying at 32s 20c a piece and selling for 35s 89c a piece.

OliverT.9021:

One day later…

T6 dust is buying at 34s 28c a piece and selling for 36s 20c a piece today as at 8:38am on 30th May 2013.

OliverT.9021:

There’s a bit more dust supply today, though it’s nothing to shout about. It’s about 2 Bifrosts worth.

T6 dust supply – 1,488 as at 9.22am 31st May 2013.

T6 dust prices continues to climb though.

Buying at 35s 68c vs selling at 36s 74c.

3.07pm 3rd June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 22c and buying for 36s 2c with total supply 1,409 pieces.

4.11pm 4th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 37s 45c and buying for 36s 80c with total supply being 2,225 pieces.

11.20am 5th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 99c and buying for 37s 11c with total supply being 2,305 pieces.

Last 6 day buying prices from record keeping -

1. 32s 20c
2. 34s 28c +2s
3. 35s 68c +1s
4. 36s 2c +0.5s
5. 36s 80c +0.7s
6. 37s 11c +0.3s.

While the price increase is depressing, the saving grace of it all is that there is still some supply…

There’s more supply today. At least a decent amount to go around.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,966 pieces
Buying price = 36s 96c
Selling price = 36s 98c

Recorded on 10:02am 6th June 2013.

Supply remains quite decent today also, but the real test will come on the weekend.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,663 pieces
Buying price = 37s 37c
Selling price = 40s 86c

Recorded on 5:30pm 7th June 2013.

Might have to change the topic to T6 Dust PRICE crisis. Hahaha.

Weekend is nearly over in the US. It’s a working Monday morning (almost noon time now) here in Asia already.

Total supply available on the TP = 3,896 pieces
Buying price = 37s 48c
Selling price = 38s 72c

Recorded on 11:44am 10th June 2013.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,012 pieces
Buying price = 37s 37c
Selling price = 37s 39c

Recorded on 4:16pm 11th June 2013.

Just thinking aloud… If after the Southsun Cove event ends, and prices don’t drop, and rises instead, are we going to blame it on “everyone is busy farming dragon bash and don’t have time to return to Orr (sorry, couldn’t help the pun)”? And then blame it on whatever event that comes next after dragon bash….

OliverT.9021:

Just thinking aloud… If after the Southsun Cove event ends, and prices don’t drop, and rises instead, are we going to blame it on “everyone is busy farming dragon bash and don’t have time to return to Orr (sorry, couldn’t help the pun)”? And then blame it on whatever event that comes next after dragon bash….

I do find it interesting that supposedly the dragon holograms are going to be found everywhere except Orr.

everytime ANET do an update to the game, they will draw people away from cursed shore, hence less people farming the t6 dust……

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

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OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

For record keeping, currently T6 dust is buying at 32s 20c a piece and selling for 35s 89c a piece.

OliverT.9021:

One day later…

T6 dust is buying at 34s 28c a piece and selling for 36s 20c a piece today as at 8:38am on 30th May 2013.

OliverT.9021:

There’s a bit more dust supply today, though it’s nothing to shout about. It’s about 2 Bifrosts worth.

T6 dust supply – 1,488 as at 9.22am 31st May 2013.

T6 dust prices continues to climb though.

Buying at 35s 68c vs selling at 36s 74c.

3.07pm 3rd June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 22c and buying for 36s 2c with total supply 1,409 pieces.

4.11pm 4th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 37s 45c and buying for 36s 80c with total supply being 2,225 pieces.

11.20am 5th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 99c and buying for 37s 11c with total supply being 2,305 pieces.

Last 6 day buying prices from record keeping -

1. 32s 20c
2. 34s 28c +2s
3. 35s 68c +1s
4. 36s 2c +0.5s
5. 36s 80c +0.7s
6. 37s 11c +0.3s.

While the price increase is depressing, the saving grace of it all is that there is still some supply…

There’s more supply today. At least a decent amount to go around.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,966 pieces
Buying price = 36s 96c
Selling price = 36s 98c

Recorded on 10:02am 6th June 2013.

Supply remains quite decent today also, but the real test will come on the weekend.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,663 pieces
Buying price = 37s 37c
Selling price = 40s 86c

Recorded on 5:30pm 7th June 2013.

Might have to change the topic to T6 Dust PRICE crisis. Hahaha.

Weekend is nearly over in the US. It’s a working Monday morning (almost noon time now) here in Asia already.

Total supply available on the TP = 3,896 pieces
Buying price = 37s 48c
Selling price = 38s 72c

Recorded on 11:44am 10th June 2013.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,012 pieces
Buying price = 37s 37c
Selling price = 37s 39c

Recorded on 4:16pm 11th June 2013.

Just thinking aloud… If after the Southsun Cove event ends, and prices don’t drop, and rises instead, are we going to blame it on “everyone is busy farming dragon bash and don’t have time to return to Orr (sorry, couldn’t help the pun)”? And then blame it on whatever event that comes next after dragon bash….

Yep that will be the next myth. Meanwhile it could be solved with a simple method of allowing them to be salvaged from drops like they did in GW1.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I think this pretty much sums up the problem with Dust:

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24277

Clearly there is a problem, I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise with a straight face. The lyssa farm managed to temporarily stabilize dust prices, but with that gone they are back on their parabolic rise.

I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that the price increase is due to Southsun either. The price stayed completely stable for 15 days after the introduction of the new Southsun content, long past the time most players had completed and left that content. Then 1 hour after the nerf the rise in price started and is still slowly increasing.

So you post the link and don’t expect anyone to actually look at it? Prices have been stable for nearly two weeks.

You can beat on the bubble with your fists going ‘LIVE, kitten YOU, LIVE!’ all you want. The free market just doesn’t work that way.

Looking at the patch notes it seems that the devs have stepped in. Which does kind of point to the fact yes, there was indeed an issue.

Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.

Someone was saying?

So about that dust crisis…

Geotherma.2395:

Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.

Someone was saying?

This fix went a tad overboard….again.

Lol, someone take a pic of gw2 spidy on ecto prices, I lol’d irl pretty hard :P

killcannon.2576:

Geotherma.2395:

Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.

Someone was saying?

This fix went a tad overboard….again.

It should even out, but people complained anet should step in, you get what you wish for I suppose :P

Geotherma.2395:

killcannon.2576:

Geotherma.2395:

Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.

Someone was saying?

This fix went a tad overboard….again.

It should even out, but people complained anet should step in, you get what you wish for I suppose :P

I guess. It’s a good thing moving forward I suppose.

The price changes in ecto and dusts are absolutely insane.

Geotherma.2395:

killcannon.2576:

Geotherma.2395:

Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.

Someone was saying?

This fix went a tad overboard….again.

It should even out, but people complained anet should step in, you get what you wish for I suppose :P

Ectos are easy to farm or otherwise get hold of. Dust wasn’t/isn’t. Ecto prices will settle as supply can meet demand. The same could not be said for dust prior to the change.

I think it’s a good compromise. dusts will probably go down about 15s, while ectos will go up to their original price of 30-35s

Anet knew there was definitely a problem with dust and it wasn’t because of southsun… I wouldn’t start complaining about ecto prices because it’s fairly easy to obtain them if you have a black lion salvage kit…

I give props to LoneWolfie.1852, been agreeing with you this whole time :P

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Anet knew there was definitely a problem with dust and it wasn’t because of southsun… I wouldn’t start complaining about ecto prices because it’s fairly easy to obtain them if you have a black lion salvage kit…

I give props to LoneWolfie.1852, been agreeing with you this whole time :P

Or it was a compensation for the fact that events/ls have an indirect effect on certain drops from lower populated areas where specific items are obtained from. An argument could be made either way. No matter the reason though, this seems like a good deal.

Yay for hoarding

based on spidy:

ectos up to 26 (it was around 18 yesterday)

dust up to 29 (it was around 40 yesterday)

I’m certain the drop in dust has a lot to do with speculator’s dumping their dust. If I were in game, I know I would.

Well, i did propose to make T6 Dust drop from rares in the same drop slots of ectos…but is quite close.

:)

Vol.5241:

based on spidy:

ectos up to 26 (it was around 18 yesterday)

dust up to 29 (it was around 40 yesterday)

I’m certain the drop in dust has a lot to do with speculator’s dumping their dust. If I were in game, I know I would.

I agree, shouldn’t take too long to even out. Good thing I have tons of BLSK’s lol

Well I didn’t see that change coming. I think it will work out pretty well. The devs have added in multiple ways to get ectos so they are pretty abundant at this point. Letting us salvage them for dust is a good way to bring ectos up and dust down.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Anet knew there was definitely a problem with dust and it wasn’t because of southsun… I wouldn’t start complaining about ecto prices because it’s fairly easy to obtain them if you have a black lion salvage kit…

I give props to LoneWolfie.1852, been agreeing with you this whole time :P

Don’t I get credit for it too, for starting this thread? ;p And the daily effort for tracking and posting prices and supply.

Thank you Anet for listening!

Demand or buy listings for Crystalline Dust dropped from 35,000+ to 29,000 along with the price decline. Speculators hoard is only about 6,000. This is the initial knee-jerk effect from the announcement. There may be more out there, or this could be the entire stash that people are holding for “investment” purposes.

Dust supply at the moment is still unchanged at 4,335 pieces. At least, now we know this amount is going to increase. So relieved!

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Salvage is between 1-5 t6. (100 try)

feydriva.8047:

Salvage is between 1-5 t6. (100 try)

Could you elaborate a little bit more on this? I personally haven’t tried salvaging them yet. Is it 1 ecto = 1 to 5 t6 dust?

Yeah, apparently you get at least 1 t6, and the range is from 1 to 5 afaik. (But of course, more “1-2” than “3+”)

I didn’t see that coming. Cleverly played, Anet!

Welp, so much for spending lunch break analyzing spidy. I guess I’ll just go back to RP stuff. (And to think I had a couple ectos still sitting at 19s when I logged off last night. At least I know they’re sold by now!)

feydriva.8047:

Salvage is between 1-5 t6. (100 try)

Are you friggin serious??

Inb4dustis15s

ColinJohanson.2394:

tigirius.9014:

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

The dust solution was a quicker low hanging fruit change outside of the larger reward system overhauls, so we figured we’d get it out quickly based on all of your feedback.

As always, thanks again for feedback folks!

Hey, I think I love you…

John Smith won’t be happy that you just shocked the Lodestone market, Colin :p

SELL SELL SELL

Great news!

Does it matter what type of salvage kit u use?

Oh master’s salvage kit from me.

So I guess this means Anet doesn’t plan on fixing Orr…fair well zombies! You will be missed.

Clark W. Griswold will say the prayer:

“O God, ease our suffering in this, our moment of great dispair. Yea, admit this kind and decent Cursed Shore Map into thy arms of thine heavenly area, up there. And Moab, he lay us upon the band of the Canaanites, and yea, though the Hindus speak of karma, I implore you: give her a break”

To be honest I have been QQing since the start of union waypoint nerf (found in DE section), but I think this fix is pretty well done. T6 Dust is hopefully going to be cheaper than 5s, which in turn make it sensible to ascend certain t6 mats, while keeping ectoplasm prices in check.

Players can finally breathe with relief for now, until Anet decides to review more T6 loot drop options from the 80s map, including the overall drops of T6 lodestones and kittens stones and shards, etc (which I hope comes from doing DEs)

+1 to colins for taking the users’ feedback.

PS: It’s kind of scary to think what will happen if Anet left this issue alone.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

Well what do you know. OK, consider me intrigued!

ColinJohanson.2394:

tigirius.9014:

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

The dust solution was a quicker low hanging fruit change outside of the larger reward system overhauls, so we figured we’d get it out quickly based on all of your feedback.

As always, thanks again for feedback folks!

Where I do commend Anet for “trying” to solve this issue, its not really solved, the loot in your end game 80 zones is still no where to be seen, all you did here was move the attention away from 1 T6 mat for a few days, some weapons requires a lot of dust and ecto, but now we have to salvage the ecto to get the dust,

Why could you not just FIX THE LOOT in your level 80 end game zones, this is poor.

Ok I Did It.2854:

ColinJohanson.2394:

tigirius.9014:

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

The dust solution was a quicker low hanging fruit change outside of the larger reward system overhauls, so we figured we’d get it out quickly based on all of your feedback.

As always, thanks again for feedback folks!

Where I do commend Anet for “trying” to solve this issue, its not really solved, the loot in your end game 80 zones is still no where to be seen, all you did here was move the attention away from 1 T6 mat for a few days, some weapons requires a lot of dust and ecto, but now we have to salvage the ecto to get the dust,

Why could you not just FIX THE LOOT in your level 80 end game zones, this is poor.

I agree the LvL80 zone loot tables need an overhaul. +1, but, TY ANET for what attention you do give the community.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Ok I Did It.2854:

ColinJohanson.2394:

tigirius.9014:

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

The dust solution was a quicker low hanging fruit change outside of the larger reward system overhauls, so we figured we’d get it out quickly based on all of your feedback.

As always, thanks again for feedback folks!

Where I do commend Anet for “trying” to solve this issue, its not really solved, the loot in your end game 80 zones is still no where to be seen, all you did here was move the attention away from 1 T6 mat for a few days, some weapons requires a lot of dust and ecto, but now we have to salvage the ecto to get the dust,

Why could you not just FIX THE LOOT in your level 80 end game zones, this is poor.

I agree the LvL80 zone loot tables need an overhaul. +1, but, TY ANET for what attention you do give the community.

I have to agree with both of these responses. I wouldn’t have put it so blunt, maybe its needed, but Anet could have easily rolled back the timers in Orr and loosen the belt on DR a little to solve the dust problem. Actually, it would have made two camps happy instead of one…Farmers could farm again and dust would go back to 17s like it was for those who needed it.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Where I do commend Anet for “trying” to solve this issue, its not really solved, the loot in your end game 80 zones is still no where to be seen, all you did here was move the attention away from 1 T6 mat for a few days, some weapons requires a lot of dust and ecto, but now we have to salvage the ecto to get the dust,

Why could you not just FIX THE LOOT in your level 80 end game zones, this is poor.

This. I’d rather they fix it via drops. I use ectos for quite a lot I’d rather not have to salvage them for dust.

In fact if arenanet want to be transparent perhaps they could explain why this solution and not fixing drops?

ColinJohanson.2394:

tigirius.9014:

“Globs of Ectoplasm can now be salvaged into Piles of Crystalline Dust. This change should help Globs of Ectoplasm maintain a strong value in the economy and lower the cost of Crystalline Dust.”

Thank you. Now if we could have a solution for lodestones that would be awesome!

Additional ways for other items like lodestones will arrive later this summer, there part of a much larger reward overhaul (outlined in very high level detail here) we’ll go into more low level detail when we update the status of this blog: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

The dust solution was a quicker low hanging fruit change outside of the larger reward system overhauls, so we figured we’d get it out quickly based on all of your feedback.

As always, thanks again for feedback folks!

Thank you so much I really appreciate this. This was one of the bigger problems for me in this title I am very satisfied that you guys are taking the time out to fixit.

Really, I know it’s hard to tell with text but I’m definitely not being sarcastic I really appreciate the work!

thank you anet for this change, best fix ever!

Dust solution was needed because
-price of dust were WAY out of whack for the uses we have of it
-price of ectos were a little too low, due to added multiple ways to get a lot of those daily.

This fix work decently on both issues. Sure, best thing would have made Orr and open wordl farming effectve again, but at least this fix is here NOW instead of getting orr (and prices) fixed in 2 months. If orr get fixed, this solution can always be disabled.

About lodestones, tbh, i think they’re ok. They are supposed to be hard to get as rare mat, but the main difference is that most of them have a specific way to farm (unlike dust before fix), so as long as there isn’t any DGs nerf/change the prices will be stable.
Maybe make possible to buy a lodestone/core for x (150/250 each or so) token of said DG: how to put more lodestones in market and take away tokens from ppl who have stacks and stacks of them in storage.

It’s only really Charged Lodestones that are too pricey at the moment and too difficult to acquire that really needs to be address IMO, especially considering some exotic weapons (that’s exotic, not legendary!) need 250 or even 350 of them, but I certainly wouldn’t be against other ways to acquire the other lodestones too without hurting their market value too much.

Also, kudos on the dust change. It was a great idea.
Ectos have been a little too low in value for a while (they seemed fairer when their price was stable at 30s~ than they did at 18s~), so this is a solid way to bring their value back up to roughly what it should be.
Likewise, Dust price has been climbing way too much since the thoughtless changes Anet made to the mobs that dropped them. First changing the mobs that you are supposed to farm for Dust drop charts to drop the Loot Bags usually instead, which only had a chance at dust among many other materials, removing any dedicated place to farm Crystalline Dust outside of red-team WvW, despite the fact all the other T6 mats had specific drop locations you could farm them. And then further changes to Orr without regard for Dust that made the mobs harder to kill, and the events less rewarding, reducing the supply even more.
As a result I had been anticipating the price of dust would rocket out of control for a long while, and it seems I was right (too bad I didn’t invest early cus I don’t care much for playing the market heh). This salvage change to Ectos is a nice well needed change that helps address the issues they created with Dust well.

I just hope now Anet have learned from there mistakes with dust supply and will think through changes like the ones we saw to Orr over the monthes more in the future before implimentation next time.

Thanks again!

Seems even Anet conceded that people weren’t going back to farm orr when southsun finished.

Reloading.3260:

Seems even Anet conceded that people weren’t going back to farm orr when southsun finished.

Or Anet doesn’t want everyone farming Orr, which is why they seem to keep giving people reasons to leave it.

Vayne.8563:

Reloading.3260:

Seems even Anet conceded that people weren’t going back to farm orr when southsun finished.

Or Anet doesn’t want everyone farming Orr, which is why they seem to keep giving people reasons to leave it.

ANET may indeed not want people to be “farming” in Orr (and that seems pretty obvious given the current situation), which is let’s face it, fair enough. But it was as clear as day (to some of us at least), that given the situation we happened to be in, something had to be done to change it. Which is why they have had to step in in order to prevent the prices from continuing to rise, as well as to bring up the fact that there are going to be wholesale loot changes.

The notion some had that people would just go back and farm Orr after Southsun and everything would be hunky dory without any changes, or others just spouting “economics 101, supply and demand dude!” was clearly completely and utterly wrong.

If ANET want to reduce “hardcore” farming or at least not make it so that zones (like Orr) are simply farm fests. Then good on them, so long as they bring in (non RNG/gem based) methods of getting hold of the items needed so that prices are at least relatively stable and supply is not totally ruined. The ecto salvage change and the talk of up and coming changes is a positive thing.