Guild Wars 2

Crys. Dust at 40s 80c ATM

Rama.6439:

Geotherma.2395:

Vayne.8563:

Rama.6439:

Uruz Six.6594:

tolunart.2095:

OliverT.9021:

In other words, we are virtually going into negative supply flow at the rate it is being used than the rate it is being “created”, so to speak.

Not long ago, sell order supply was nearly 0 and now it’s nearly 5000 units. It’s also been said that the dust is used in many crafting/forge recipes, do you have data on how much is sold and how much is consumed each day? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions based on little evidence.

From what I see there has been some manipulation of the market by opportunists, plus a drop in the number of people gathering the dust which led to an increase in price. This in turn leads to the dumping of hoarded supplies by those same opportunists, and an increase in gathering by people who notice the higher price, which leads to an increase in supply.

In the words of one of recent history’s greatest philosophers, “Don’t Panic.”

I’ll just leave this here.

EDIT: Stretching the graph back to February, 5k seems to be around the ‘sweet spot’. Comparing now to March/April, I’m wondering if/when the bubble goes pop.

And to throw on another anecdote, Cursed Shore was hoppin’ again last night on TC.

You know, they do the temples almost every several hours on my server to, and when I run with them there are always a few people who ask what happened to the loot, cause you leave Orr with almost nothing but the loot you get from the temple chests and some porous bones, might have a few heavy moldy bags, but you dont get much from just a few bags. All the events in Orr have been nerfed and all the mobs loot tables have been nerfed and anyone that tries to say differently is either an Anet employee or delusional.

Vayne.8563:

Thanks for posting that Uruz. Maybe people will stop saying I don’t know what I’m talking about now. Less fun for me, but probably better overall for the forums. lol

That post proves nothing except how expensive T6 dust is. The only place to Acquire it is in Orr and if you go there and try and farm it from risen, all they pretty much drop is porous bones cause Anet has nerfed the crap out of the place and no one goes there anymore except to do Temples.

It proves the price has already started going down. It will continue to go down as more people go back to Orr. I’m not sure why a drop in price should be ignored, just because it doesn’t agree with your personal theory.

Because if the price continues to decline people won’t be able to blame anet anymore and all the name calling will have been for nothing. What a terrible thought :P

39s 50c I’m waiting for this decline so you tell me when it happens okay….

Geotherma.2395:

All I see is a bunch of “Anet is making events to raise the price on dust”, sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? Cause it is. And then on top of that a mysterious supply was added. Seriously? My god if this is the state of mind of “logical” people on these forums, I seriously worry for your well being. I can’t believe so many people are such conspiracy theorists, it just astonishes me. Feel like I’m reading the Zeitgeist forums… And PS for the people who obviously don’t get how DR works, it isn’t just being in an area for one hour, holy kittens and quaggans whats wrong with people.

I don’t know who said anything about Anet “making events to raise the price of dust” We are talking about Anet nerfing the events in Orr and the loot tables of all the mobs in Orr so that pretty much no one wants to go there anymore except to do the temples and leave.

I’ve said it won’t really start till the South Sun event ends. I’ve repeated it several times.

Disingenuous statement is disingenuous.

No surprise there.

This thread, and the other thread about it, probably did more to spike the price of T6 dust than the farming nerf did. Just saying.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the OP had a couple of stacks of T6 dust and posted this just to manipulate the market. I’m not say that did happen, but it’s certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

Vayne.8563:

This thread, and the other thread about it, probably did more to spike the price of T6 dust than the farming nerf did. Just saying.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the OP had a couple of stacks of T6 dust and posted this just to manipulate the market. I’m not say that did happen, but it’s certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

Oh come on now, we both know that no one has EVVVVER made a thread just to profit off scared players :P /sarcasm

/15eggsforeaster

tigirius.9014:

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything.

I cannot speak for every aspect of the game, but when it comes to the game’s economy upwards of 95% of people’s complaints are rooted firmly in ignorance. Anyone who understands undergraduate macro 1 is likely ridden with a burning desire to reach through their screen and stab everyone upon reading these forums.

Vayne has stuck to it and fought the stupid long past what I’d consider reasonable, and it’s impressive.

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

Well you see about that Vayne thing, he does spend all his time in the forums trying to debunk every major complaint out there about anything.

I cannot speak for every aspect of the game, but when it comes to the game’s economy upwards of 95% of people’s complaints are rooted firmly in ignorance. Anyone who understands undergraduate macro 1 is likely ridden with a burning desire to reach through their screen and stab everyone upon reading these forums.

Vayne has stuck to it and fought the stupid long past what I’d consider reasonable, and it’s impressive.

Thanks…too much time in my hands, I guess. Anyway it’s cheaper than golf. lol

Ensign.2189:

I cannot speak for every aspect of the game, but when it comes to the game’s economy upwards of 95% of people’s complaints are rooted firmly in ignorance. Anyone who understands undergraduate macro 1 is likely ridden with a burning desire to reach through their screen and stab everyone upon reading these forums.

Vayne has stuck to it and fought the stupid long past what I’d consider reasonable, and it’s impressive.

Yup. Most educated people have given up. Even John Smith rarely posts anymore.

Like others have said, the change is because of the current focus on Southsun. It’s why, not so coincidentally, prices for T6 bloods and scales have dropped as prices for T6 dusts have risen. Economics 101.

Lopez.7369:

Ensign.2189:

I cannot speak for every aspect of the game, but when it comes to the game’s economy upwards of 95% of people’s complaints are rooted firmly in ignorance. Anyone who understands undergraduate macro 1 is likely ridden with a burning desire to reach through their screen and stab everyone upon reading these forums.

Vayne has stuck to it and fought the stupid long past what I’d consider reasonable, and it’s impressive.

Yup. Most educated people have given up. Even John Smith rarely posts anymore.

Like others have said, the change is because of the current focus on Southsun. It’s why, not so coincidentally, prices for T6 bloods and scales have dropped as prices for T6 dusts have risen. Economics 101.

Economics 101, oh lawd, anyway moving on…

Southsun will clearly have had an impact, players move from Orr to Southsun, supply drops and prices rise. Yeah I think everyone has a handle on that situation and people like Vayne are exactly right in bringing it up as it will have had an impact.

What some are suggesting though, is that given the recent (perceived) changes to both timers and loot drops in Orr, it is somewhat questionable that we will see a morass of players return there to farm anything other than the temple events. If that is the case the price may stabilize at best, or continue to rise after a short term drop. Now whether that price rise is out of line with what you can make in terms of gold, well that is another matter. I would say that at the moment, it isn’t an issue.

Personally I don’t see this as a “crisis” but I also don’t buy into the idea that you can constantly nerf a resource and then not expect prices to rise. Or attribute price rises purely to temporary events and overlook the longer term nerfs that have occured.

Fenrir.3609:

Economics 101, oh lawd, anyway moving on…

Southsun will clearly have had an impact, players move from Orr to Southsun, supply drops and prices rise. Yeah I think everyone has a handle on that situation and people like Vayne are exactly right in bringing it up as it will have had an impact.

What some are suggesting though, is that given the recent (perceived) changes to both timers and loot drops in Orr, it is somewhat questionable that we will see a morass of players return there to farm anything other than the temple events. If that is the case the price may stabilize at best, or continue to rise after a short term drop. Now whether that price rise is out of line with what you can make in terms of gold, well that is another matter. I would say that at the moment, it isn’t an issue.

Personally I don’t see this as a “crisis” but I also don’t buy into the idea that you can constantly nerf a resource and then not expect prices to rise. Or attribute price rises purely to temporary events and overlook the longer term nerfs that have occured.

Fair enough, hence my continued linking to Spidy. If there’s a conversation to be had about the effects of nerfs, buffs, and events, there’s our biggest source of evidence right there. I’ve had a notion to check through all the T6 mats and make a big analysis post on it, but real life and in-game fun have been interfering. Maybe later this week if I can free up the time.

Vayne.8563:

This thread, and the other thread about it, probably did more to spike the price of T6 dust than the farming nerf did. Just saying.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the OP had a couple of stacks of T6 dust and posted this just to manipulate the market. I’m not say that did happen, but it’s certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

And you lambast others for their criticism of anet…….

Lopez.7369:

Like others have said, the change is because of the current focus on Southsun. It’s why, not so coincidentally, prices for T6 bloods and scales have dropped as prices for T6 dusts have risen. Economics 101.

Its been stated that the price of T6 dust started reaching silly levels before Southsun started, with the nerfs to Orr which have occurred during southsun the situation will only get worse unless anet makes other changes.

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

This thread, and the other thread about it, probably did more to spike the price of T6 dust than the farming nerf did. Just saying.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the OP had a couple of stacks of T6 dust and posted this just to manipulate the market. I’m not say that did happen, but it’s certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

And you lambast others for their criticism of anet…….

Actually, that’s not what I do at all. I don’t lambast people, certainly not nearly as much as people lambast me. I make observations based on my perspective. Surely that’s what forums are there for.

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Vayne.8563:

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Nope its a conspiracy theory and like I said you lambast others for similar theories about anet.

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Nope its a conspiracy theory and like I said you lambast others for similar theories about anet.

Umm, actually it’s not a conspiracy theory and you need to learn to read more carefully.

I didn’t say the OP did this thing….I said I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. A completely different statement than saying the OP did this intentionally.

More importantly, using a sensationalist headline, whether intentionally or not WILL affect prices on the TP. How could it not?

It only takes a relatively small amount of people acting on a sensationalist headline to affect prices and start a stampeded…intentional or not.

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand the fundamentals and doesn’t wipe clean the slate of bad decisions we’ve seen in this game and others (remember D3?) over the past year. It also doesn’t change the fact that every time a nerf spot occurs the prices rise even without people being in these forums talking about said item. It doesn’t forgive how they claimed they liked legit farmers on their Reddit message telling people they’d adjust DR so that it wouldn’t affect legit farmers months ago, which still hasn’t happened. It doesn’t change the possibility of there being a Wi Flagged style algorithm bug in the system causing people to not only hit DR faster then others but also have it last long long after they’ve logged out and across multiple characters. There’s a reason why WoW has 8 million players still to this day, carrot on a stick, take that out and people will leave, they learned that early on.

If they had come clean prelaunch in their interviews and been honest with how they really felt about farmers, legit farmers, then they would have lost sales so basically what we’re seeing is an unethical system of advertisement, “play how you want, except in these instances,” we’ll change the entire game after launch so what you experienced at launch won’t be anything near what your friends experience months after your excitement ends. That’s what I’m saying. The problem isn’t just that there aren’t enough farming areas there’s this big hole where a rewards system should be, and the economy is based off the ancient poorly designed system (even then) of the 2004 RNG everything. Limit the resources in this way and people will leave. One can only imagine what will happen when games that don’t lean on a single currency for everything in a game launch this year. I’ll be watching.

There’s another area in SS cove where you can farm sharks, if indeed they nerf that one then my suspicions will be validated.

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand the fundamentals and doesn’t wipe clean the slate of bad decisions we’ve seen in this game and others (remember D3?) over the past year. It also doesn’t change the fact that every time a nerf spot occurs the prices rise even without people being in these forums talking about said item. It doesn’t forgive how they claimed they liked legit farmers on their Reddit message telling people they’d adjust DR so that it wouldn’t affect legit farmers months ago, which still hasn’t happened. It doesn’t change the possibility of there being a Wi Flagged style algorithm bug in the system causing people to not only hit DR faster then others but also have it last long long after they’ve logged out and across multiple characters. There’s a reason why WoW has 8 million players still to this day, carrot on a stick, take that out and people will leave, they learned that early on.

If they had come clean prelaunch in their interviews and been honest with how they really felt about farmers, legit farmers, then they would have lost sales so basically what we’re seeing is an unethical system of advertisement, “play how you want, except in these instances,” we’ll change the entire game after launch so what you experienced at launch won’t be anything near what your friends experience months after your excitement ends. That’s what I’m saying. The problem isn’t just that there aren’t enough farming areas there’s this big hole where a rewards system should be, and the economy is based off the ancient poorly designed system (even then) of the 2004 RNG everything. Limit the resources in this way and people will leave. One can only imagine what will happen when games that don’t lean on a single currency for everything in a game launch this year. I’ll be watching.

There’s another area in SS cove where you can farm sharks, if indeed they nerf that one then my suspicions will be validated.

The problem is YOU think they’re bad decisions. People who think/play like you also think they’re bad decisions, but there are as many people, seemingly anyway, who don’t.

You claim I’m closed-minded and don’t listen to other people. Maybe you should turn your eye inward.

Shortages in the real world occur because real world manufacture takes time and natural resources are limited. In fact, in an online world, there’s no such thing as a shortage, unless the company wants there to be a shortage. If it gets so that there’s not enough, it’s easy enough for the company to add more.

Charged lodestones have always been in short supply. I’m relatively sure that Anet won’t allow that to happen to something like crystalline dust. There are probably tons of people hoarding it now, even more since threads like this have popped up.

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand the fundamentals and doesn’t wipe clean the slate of bad decisions we’ve seen in this game and others (remember D3?) over the past year. It also doesn’t change the fact that every time a nerf spot occurs the prices rise even without people being in these forums talking about said item. It doesn’t forgive how they claimed they liked legit farmers on their Reddit message telling people they’d adjust DR so that it wouldn’t affect legit farmers months ago, which still hasn’t happened. It doesn’t change the possibility of there being a Wi Flagged style algorithm bug in the system causing people to not only hit DR faster then others but also have it last long long after they’ve logged out and across multiple characters. There’s a reason why WoW has 8 million players still to this day, carrot on a stick, take that out and people will leave, they learned that early on.

If they had come clean prelaunch in their interviews and been honest with how they really felt about farmers, legit farmers, then they would have lost sales so basically what we’re seeing is an unethical system of advertisement, “play how you want, except in these instances,” we’ll change the entire game after launch so what you experienced at launch won’t be anything near what your friends experience months after your excitement ends. That’s what I’m saying. The problem isn’t just that there aren’t enough farming areas there’s this big hole where a rewards system should be, and the economy is based off the ancient poorly designed system (even then) of the 2004 RNG everything. Limit the resources in this way and people will leave. One can only imagine what will happen when games that don’t lean on a single currency for everything in a game launch this year. I’ll be watching.

There’s another area in SS cove where you can farm sharks, if indeed they nerf that one then my suspicions will be validated.

The problem is YOU think they’re bad decisions. People who think/play like you also think they’re bad decisions, but there are as many people, seemingly anyway, who don’t.

You claim I’m closed-minded and don’t listen to other people. Maybe you should turn your eye inward.

Shortages in the real world occur because real world manufacture takes time and natural resources are limited. In fact, in an online world, there’s no such thing as a shortage, unless the company wants there to be a shortage. If it gets so that there’s not enough, it’s easy enough for the company to add more.

Charged lodestones have always been in short supply. I’m relatively sure that Anet won’t allow that to happen to something like crystalline dust. There are probably tons of people hoarding it now, even more since threads like this have popped up.

We have a certain divide here. You give the picture that crystalline dust rising is the complete fault of players pushing it up, but in reality, it’s the poor handling of anet on crystalline dust supply, where there are

1) Southsun sardine train
2) Plinx, waypoint nerfs, spider hatchlings doesn’t give loot
3) Union waypoint complete removal of loot

It’s like insiders’ trading, where anet tells the TP-traders the removal of union waypoint (by patch notes) means there will be an instant supply disaster and it’s a great time to start buying up all the supply, meanwhile the ones who don’t play the TP wonder what’s going on and has to eat it up at >35 s.

So the minority wins while the majority loses. Whose fault is this? Players or anet who let this disaster happen? How did a shortage really happen anyway?

Please continue to post about something stupid about how “online worlds never having a shortage” when you have been insisting 99% of the population went to southsun cove and not “farming” in CS.

God, I swear I can’t believe how silly you are.

Edit: And when prices of t6 mats started going above 30 silvers, why the hell did Anet make 200% mf in southsun? Finally realising the impact of CS plinx/waypoint nerfs killing the mats supply? You really are oblivious…

LoneWolfie.1852:

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand the fundamentals and doesn’t wipe clean the slate of bad decisions we’ve seen in this game and others (remember D3?) over the past year. It also doesn’t change the fact that every time a nerf spot occurs the prices rise even without people being in these forums talking about said item. It doesn’t forgive how they claimed they liked legit farmers on their Reddit message telling people they’d adjust DR so that it wouldn’t affect legit farmers months ago, which still hasn’t happened. It doesn’t change the possibility of there being a Wi Flagged style algorithm bug in the system causing people to not only hit DR faster then others but also have it last long long after they’ve logged out and across multiple characters. There’s a reason why WoW has 8 million players still to this day, carrot on a stick, take that out and people will leave, they learned that early on.

If they had come clean prelaunch in their interviews and been honest with how they really felt about farmers, legit farmers, then they would have lost sales so basically what we’re seeing is an unethical system of advertisement, “play how you want, except in these instances,” we’ll change the entire game after launch so what you experienced at launch won’t be anything near what your friends experience months after your excitement ends. That’s what I’m saying. The problem isn’t just that there aren’t enough farming areas there’s this big hole where a rewards system should be, and the economy is based off the ancient poorly designed system (even then) of the 2004 RNG everything. Limit the resources in this way and people will leave. One can only imagine what will happen when games that don’t lean on a single currency for everything in a game launch this year. I’ll be watching.

There’s another area in SS cove where you can farm sharks, if indeed they nerf that one then my suspicions will be validated.

The problem is YOU think they’re bad decisions. People who think/play like you also think they’re bad decisions, but there are as many people, seemingly anyway, who don’t.

You claim I’m closed-minded and don’t listen to other people. Maybe you should turn your eye inward.

Shortages in the real world occur because real world manufacture takes time and natural resources are limited. In fact, in an online world, there’s no such thing as a shortage, unless the company wants there to be a shortage. If it gets so that there’s not enough, it’s easy enough for the company to add more.

Charged lodestones have always been in short supply. I’m relatively sure that Anet won’t allow that to happen to something like crystalline dust. There are probably tons of people hoarding it now, even more since threads like this have popped up.

We have a certain divide here. You give the picture that crystalline dust rising is the complete fault of players pushing it up, but in reality, it’s the poor handling of anet on crystalline dust supply, where there are

1) Southsun sardine train
2) Plinx, waypoint nerfs, spider hatchlings doesn’t give loot
3) Union waypoint complete removal of loot

It’s like insiders’ trading, where anet tells the TP-traders the removal of union waypoint (by patch notes) means there will be an instant supply disaster and it’s a great time to start buying up all the supply, meanwhile the ones who don’t play the TP wonder what’s going on and has to eat it up at >35 s.

So the minority wins while the majority loses. Whose fault is this? Players or anet who let this disaster happen? How did a shortage really happen anyway?

Please continue to post about something stupid about how “online worlds never having a shortage” when you have been insisting 99% of the population went to southsun cove and not “farming” in CS.

God, I swear I can’t believe how silly you are.

Edit: And when prices of t6 mats started going above 30 silvers, why the hell did Anet make 200% mf in southsun? Finally realising the impact of CS plinx/waypoint nerfs killing the mats supply? You really are oblivious…

I think we won’t find out for sure until Southsun is done for a couple of weeks. Until then, it’s all speculation. I believe the prices will start to come back down.

Vayne.8563:

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Nope its a conspiracy theory and like I said you lambast others for similar theories about anet.

Umm, actually it’s not a conspiracy theory and you need to learn to read more carefully.

I didn’t say the OP did this thing….I said I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. A completely different statement than saying the OP did this intentionally.

More importantly, using a sensationalist headline, whether intentionally or not WILL affect prices on the TP. How could it not?

It only takes a relatively small amount of people acting on a sensationalist headline to affect prices and start a stampeded…intentional or not.

Now one may wonder… Why when there’s somebody complain about anything, it’s a minimal part of the community, when the vast majority either is out there playing and not reading forums, or just thankful for every single rabbit or snow owl present in world and pray ANet for making such a flawless and perfect game, but suddenly they are all reading the forum and the sensationalistic post, reacting by conseguence and making the price skyrocket?
Surely that minority of complainer you always talk about wouldn’t be able to achieve such a thing, right?

Valanga.5942:

Vayne.8563:

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Nope its a conspiracy theory and like I said you lambast others for similar theories about anet.

Umm, actually it’s not a conspiracy theory and you need to learn to read more carefully.

I didn’t say the OP did this thing….I said I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. A completely different statement than saying the OP did this intentionally.

More importantly, using a sensationalist headline, whether intentionally or not WILL affect prices on the TP. How could it not?

It only takes a relatively small amount of people acting on a sensationalist headline to affect prices and start a stampeded…intentional or not.

Now one may wonder… Why when there’s somebody complain about anything, it’s a minimal part of the community, when the vast majority either is out there playing and not reading forums, or just thankful for every single rabbit or snow owl present in world and pray ANet for making such a flawless and perfect game, but suddenly they are all reading the forum and the sensationalistic post, reacting by conseguence and making the price skyrocket?
Surely that minority of complainer you always talk about wouldn’t be able to achieve such a thing, right?

Actually this is completely wrong. Let’s say a minority of complainers have a minority that react. Some people who watch stuff will STILL see the results on the market.

Let’s not forget, I also said the price went up because of the fact that everyone is in Southsun, on top of the nerfs. It all feeds the same hole. It’s how runs happen on the stock market too.

So, Anet nerfs some runs, Southsun starts, this post appears, people read the post and talk about it to guildies, someone looks, they see the price go up, they panic and buy before the price goes up more, other people see the situation and start stockpiling.

It’s not one thing, it’s a bunch of things. But this type of post doesn’t help. In fact, it contributes to whatever is going on. It’s not just people who read the forums, but people who talk to their guilds about what they read on the forums.

It’s how rumors start too.

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand…

That word does not mean what you think it means. This post is, in fact, another sterling example of nonsense said with authority.

Vayne.8563:

Actually this is completely wrong. Let’s say a minority of complainers have a minority that react. Some people who watch stuff will STILL see the results on the market.

Let’s not forget, I also said the price went up because of the fact that everyone is in Southsun, on top of the nerfs. It all feeds the same hole. It’s how runs happen on the stock market too.

So, Anet nerfs some runs, Southsun starts, this post appears, people read the post and talk about it to guildies, someone looks, they see the price go up, they panic and buy before the price goes up more, other people see the situation and start stockpiling.

It’s not one thing, it’s a bunch of things. But this type of post doesn’t help. In fact, it contributes to whatever is going on. It’s not just people who read the forums, but people who talk to their guilds about what they read on the forums.

It’s how rumors start too.

Or, people is starting to get really kitten ed to see a broken economy (inb4 John Smith is economy god if he say it’s all ok, it’s must be that way), and that the already huge amount of farm in order to obtain ANYTHING (of course except if your idea of endgame in GW2 is going full hippye and running to the fields enjoying the world and loving ANet for every single critter), is getting more and more huge by the day…

I’m just laughing when Vayne thinks it’s just some people talking, because the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices. And the prices didn’t go up because everyone was at southsun, it was because anet announced the closure of union waypoint farm, and traders pushing it up.

The minority is king here, and the majority is exploited.

The change that hammered the dust supply hard was in last December’s patch. Everything since then has just been chipping at the edges.

LoneWolfie.1852:

I’m just laughing when Vayne thinks it’s just some people talking, because the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices. And the prices didn’t go up because everyone was at southsun, it was because anet announced the closure of union waypoint farm, and traders pushing it up.

The minority is king here, and the majority is exploited.

Where do you see that I said at least 50%. Your constant attacks on what I say, including putting in stuff I didn’t say make everything you say circumspect.

Vayne.8563:

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

It’s the use of words like crisis. The moment that word appeared in a thread and a few people started buying up crystalline dust, that was the moment the problem became compounded, if there was a problem there in the first place. Pointing it out is simple logic.

Nope its a conspiracy theory and like I said you lambast others for similar theories about anet.

Umm, actually it’s not a conspiracy theory and you need to learn to read more carefully.

I didn’t say the OP did this thing….I said I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. A completely different statement than saying the OP did this intentionally.

More importantly, using a sensationalist headline, whether intentionally or not WILL affect prices on the TP. How could it not?

It only takes a relatively small amount of people acting on a sensationalist headline to affect prices and start a stampeded…intentional or not.

For the record, I already did state that I had a vested interest in hoarding Crystalline Dust. For crafting of my Bifrost, I need 750 pieces. For the crafting of my 2nd legendary, I will need 500 + 100 pieces, the other 100 being used to promote cores to lodestones.

All in, I am holding close to about 1,500 pieces. Should I give up on my quest halfway, then yes, I will sell my stash for cash. Else, this hoard is going to be used at the end. This is completely anedoctal but me alone, just 1 person needing 1,500 pieces is an insane amount when compared to the availability of the supply of mats on the auction house.

If there were any malicious intent on my part to attempt to raise the price through this forum, and thinking that it would work, then I should have posted on Ancient Bones and Vicious Claws as well because these rose in price along with Crystalline Dust around the same time.

In fact, if ArenaNet’s client were to go down or if I had any game updates I wanted to find, Reddit would be the to-go-to site to see if other players were having the same issues. Moreover, I have hardly established any presence, repute and thus have virtually no one know who I am here, as compared to Vayne. How would my words have carried such substantial weight to lift prices from 32s when I started keeping track, till the current 39ish to 40s?

If ever, the only reason why mine was the first to post about T6 dust is because of the reason that I have learnt how to read charts and there was a technical breakout at the 30s resistance level, and the formation of a price pattern which chartists call a flag formation.

One of your postings talked about Charged Lodestones being in inadequate supply. How do you know that?

How do we know that Silk Scraps are being created in abundance and has more supply than demand?

What is the metric used to determine that?

Then use that metric and apply it to Crystalline Dust and then decide for yourselves whether it is going to be a crisis or not. That’s how I derived my opinion.

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

OliverT.9021:

For record keeping, currently T6 dust is buying at 32s 20c a piece and selling for 35s 89c a piece.

OliverT.9021:

One day later…

T6 dust is buying at 34s 28c a piece and selling for 36s 20c a piece today as at 8:38am on 30th May 2013.

OliverT.9021:

There’s a bit more dust supply today, though it’s nothing to shout about. It’s about 2 Bifrosts worth.

T6 dust supply – 1,488 as at 9.22am 31st May 2013.

T6 dust prices continues to climb though.

Buying at 35s 68c vs selling at 36s 74c.

3.07pm 3rd June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 22c and buying for 36s 2c with total supply 1,409 pieces.

4.11pm 4th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 37s 45c and buying for 36s 80c with total supply being 2,225 pieces.

11.20am 5th June 2013, T6 dust is selling for 39s 99c and buying for 37s 11c with total supply being 2,305 pieces.

Last 6 day buying prices from record keeping -

1. 32s 20c
2. 34s 28c +2s
3. 35s 68c +1s
4. 36s 2c +0.5s
5. 36s 80c +0.7s
6. 37s 11c +0.3s.

While the price increase is depressing, the saving grace of it all is that there is still some supply…

There’s more supply today. At least a decent amount to go around.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,966 pieces
Buying price = 36s 96c
Selling price = 36s 98c

Recorded on 10:02am 6th June 2013.

Supply remains quite decent today also, but the real test will come on the weekend.

Total supply available on the TP = 4,663 pieces
Buying price = 37s 37c
Selling price = 40s 86c

Recorded on 5:30pm 7th June 2013.

Might have to change the topic to T6 Dust PRICE crisis. Hahaha.

Weekend is nearly over in the US. It’s a working Monday morning (almost noon time now) here in Asia already.

Total supply available on the TP = 3,896 pieces
Buying price = 37s 48c
Selling price = 38s 72c

Recorded on 11:44am 10th June 2013.

Vayne.8563:

LoneWolfie.1852:

I’m just laughing when Vayne thinks it’s just some people talking, because the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices. And the prices didn’t go up because everyone was at southsun, it was because anet announced the closure of union waypoint farm, and traders pushing it up.

The minority is king here, and the majority is exploited.

Where do you see that I said at least 50%. Your constant attacks on what I say, including putting in stuff I didn’t say make everything you say circumspect.

Vayne, please do as you have told others and re-read his post, nowhere is he saying you said anything regarding 50% of anything, what he said was, and I quote “the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices.” You’re welcome.

^

And confirmed by me. I can’t explain it any better, thanks mudbone.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Vayne.8563:

LoneWolfie.1852:

I’m just laughing when Vayne thinks it’s just some people talking, because the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices. And the prices didn’t go up because everyone was at southsun, it was because anet announced the closure of union waypoint farm, and traders pushing it up.

The minority is king here, and the majority is exploited.

Where do you see that I said at least 50%. Your constant attacks on what I say, including putting in stuff I didn’t say make everything you say circumspect.

Vayne, please do as you have told others and re-read his post, nowhere is he saying you said anything regarding 50% of anything, what he said was, and I quote “the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices.” You’re welcome.

Thanks for the explanation. If people would stop personally attacking me, perhaps I wouldn’t see attacks everywhere.

Beldin.5498:

CMF.5461:

As I have recently run out of my own supply of t6 dust this thread caught my eye. I have not farmed too extensively anywhere but I do have a simple question.

Sure the stationary location farming spots have been nerfed to be less effective than before, but can you not just farm the zone by moving around and still loot the dusts?

I see outrage because of a “spot” or two are not worth it anymore, but I can’t believe that dust is completely unobtainable anymore unless those spots become active again.

The problem is, that the answer to everything is : go farm CoF Path 1 .. and nobody seems to notice that there drops no dust .. and the more people that farm CoF the higher the prices of dust will go until it is maybe as high that you can earn the same money with farming in Orr than with doin CoF.

Problem solved? Supply and demand is really a beautiful thing. Rising dust prices will entice people to play Orr more.

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Problem solved? Supply and demand is really a beautiful thing. Rising dust prices will entice people to play Orr more.[/quote]

Which was nerfed recently :p

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand…

That word does not mean what you think it means. This post is, in fact, another sterling example of nonsense said with authority.

Yeah I know what it means, I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet) and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

It’s why new players aren’t able to get the runes and sigils they need for the new dungeon focus without first grinding out some serious gold before being able to get a full zerker on zerker set. Those prices too are the result of rationing.

tigirius.9014:

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand…

That word does not mean what you think it means. This post is, in fact, another sterling example of nonsense said with authority.

Yeah I know what it means, I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet) and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

It’s why new players aren’t able to get the runes and sigils they need for the new dungeon focus without first grinding out some serious gold before being able to get a full zerker on zerker set. Those prices too are the result of rationing.

The runes they NEED. Interesting wording. I don’t remember needing any runes to do dungeons, unless of course you’re only interested in speed running. You can do dungeons with gems you get from mining if you want to. It’s not like the dungeon has a requirement.

krisztian.6513:

Problem solved? Supply and demand is really a beautiful thing. Rising dust prices will entice people to play Orr more.[/quote]

Which was nerfed recently :p[/quote]

Hence the rising prices. In absolute gold, the farm will be exactly as effective as before. Supply and demand is a beautiful thing

tigirius.9014:

I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet)

…changes to drop rates do not have even a passing resemblance to rationing.

tigirius.9014:

and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything

No, that is not what price discrimination is at all.

tigirius.9014:

while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

I must warn you that you are treading dangerously close to the tinfoil hat brigade spouting technobabble like this. I’ve read this a dozen times now and it does not parse at all.

Hey all!
I honestly havn’t red much.
But I started searching Orr a little. My results are:

- The Megill-Event and the Maggots still reward a lot Heavy Bags. I soloed the event in around 10 Minutes without MF and got 10.

-Risen Spiders reward T6-Dust. And the drop rates are totally okay. I killed some here and there for random, and got the one and the other Pile of t6 Dust.

So, if people would start farming orr again, maybe prices will drop again soon.

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand…

That word does not mean what you think it means. This post is, in fact, another sterling example of nonsense said with authority.

Yeah I know what it means, I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet) and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

It’s why new players aren’t able to get the runes and sigils they need for the new dungeon focus without first grinding out some serious gold before being able to get a full zerker on zerker set. Those prices too are the result of rationing.

The runes they NEED. Interesting wording. I don’t remember needing any runes to do dungeons, unless of course you’re only interested in speed running. You can do dungeons with gems you get from mining if you want to. It’s not like the dungeon has a requirement.

Still need to salvage rares and you need rare drops to get that. see what I mean?

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet)

…changes to drop rates do not have even a passing resemblance to rationing.

tigirius.9014:

and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything

No, that is not what price discrimination is at all.

tigirius.9014:

while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

I must warn you that you are treading dangerously close to the tinfoil hat brigade spouting technobabble like this. I’ve read this a dozen times now and it does not parse at all.

Rationing is the artificial control of a resource, thus rationing applies since all devs everywhere in every mmo control said resources. Where do you get off calling people wrong when the definitions very clearly apply to this medium?! This is also a problem now solely unique to this game. Every other mmo out there does not have this problem because they either learned that RNG is not the solution and provided other means (heck even GW1 had dusts from salvages) or they provided another means by which to get the necessary materials ie the use of currencies from a commonly used activity (currency from doing dungeons in most games would be the equivalent to karma from events)

The solutions are there they just have to use them to solve the problem.

tigirius.9014:

Vayne.8563:

tigirius.9014:

Ensign.2189:

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand…

That word does not mean what you think it means. This post is, in fact, another sterling example of nonsense said with authority.

Yeah I know what it means, I also know that it leads immediately to rationing (in this case by an outside force, the nerfs made by Anet) and price discrimination (wherein the minority control everything while the majority either can’t afford the increase in price or have 0 access to it due to the constraints of the economic poverty that exists from a highly manipulated economy which is what we have here.

It’s why new players aren’t able to get the runes and sigils they need for the new dungeon focus without first grinding out some serious gold before being able to get a full zerker on zerker set. Those prices too are the result of rationing.

The runes they NEED. Interesting wording. I don’t remember needing any runes to do dungeons, unless of course you’re only interested in speed running. You can do dungeons with gems you get from mining if you want to. It’s not like the dungeon has a requirement.

Still need to salvage rares and you need rare drops to get that. see what I mean?

No, I really have no idea what you mean. What do you have to salvage rares to do?

tigirius.9014:

I find it hilarious people are posting Economics 101 but forget about economic shortage, it’s fundamental to any in game economy and that’s exactly what people are describing in their posts in here. Taking a course in college doesn’t mean you understand the fundamentals and doesn’t wipe clean the slate of bad decisions we’ve seen in this game and others (remember D3?) over the past year. It also doesn’t change the fact that every time a nerf spot occurs the prices rise even without people being in these forums talking about said item. It doesn’t forgive how they claimed they liked legit farmers on their Reddit message telling people they’d adjust DR so that it wouldn’t affect legit farmers months ago, which still hasn’t happened. It doesn’t change the possibility of there being a Wi Flagged style algorithm bug in the system causing people to not only hit DR faster then others but also have it last long long after they’ve logged out and across multiple characters. There’s a reason why WoW has 8 million players still to this day, carrot on a stick, take that out and people will leave, they learned that early on.

If they had come clean prelaunch in their interviews and been honest with how they really felt about farmers, legit farmers, then they would have lost sales so basically what we’re seeing is an unethical system of advertisement, “play how you want, except in these instances,” we’ll change the entire game after launch so what you experienced at launch won’t be anything near what your friends experience months after your excitement ends. That’s what I’m saying. The problem isn’t just that there aren’t enough farming areas there’s this big hole where a rewards system should be, and the economy is based off the ancient poorly designed system (even then) of the 2004 RNG everything. Limit the resources in this way and people will leave. One can only imagine what will happen when games that don’t lean on a single currency for everything in a game launch this year. I’ll be watching.

There’s another area in SS cove where you can farm sharks, if indeed they nerf that one then my suspicions will be validated.

This is so very cynical. Certain farming spots NEED to be adjusted because they are broken- do legitimate farmers suffer from this? yes. How about people who rely on materials and artificially low prices? you bet. Until the pace for farming various materials is normalized throughout the game any reductions to the rates from farming in specific ways will be perceived as a nerf and an assault on the legitimate farmer.

LoneWolfie.1852:

I’m just laughing when Vayne thinks it’s just some people talking, because the way I see it are some in-game traders who bought bulk and started selling recently, and contributed at least 50% of the initial increase of prices. And the prices didn’t go up because everyone was at southsun, it was because anet announced the closure of union waypoint farm, and traders pushing it up.

The minority is king here, and the majority is exploited.

Isn’t this always the case in MMOs? I’ve been the minority in other games and i don’t see the issue. If i make my game playing the TP and i get good at it then a certain degree of domination should be expected.

Nia.3964:

Hey all!
I honestly havn’t red much.
But I started searching Orr a little. My results are:

- The Megill-Event and the Maggots still reward a lot Heavy Bags. I soloed the event in around 10 Minutes without MF and got 10.

-Risen Spiders reward T6-Dust. And the drop rates are totally okay. I killed some here and there for random, and got the one and the other Pile of t6 Dust.

So, if people would start farming orr again, maybe prices will drop again soon.

Regarding the maggots event, that’s the only Orr farming event left that is untouched. It’s been like that since release, and was one of the first farmable events that people noted (since the respawn timer was <5 minutes). Unfortunately it’s pretty easy to grief, and it’s farming potential is best limited to a coordinated party. You can’t zerg it. And you most likely have to guest on that.

I don’t forsee anyone farming in Orr anytime soon. I reckon the majority of the playerbase does not want to farm mobs alone – they’d prefer to farm events which provide waves of mobs. And there simply aren’t enough spiders in the zone to increase the supply of dusts at a decent rate.

I’m telling you all – the price of dusts is going to go up a lot unless there is intervention by the devs. If nothing changes, the price of dust will go up in under 2 months (I’m guessing in 1 month). At that point, the true supply (outpost supply + inventory supply) will go down. The dust price right now is only low since speculators are selling their stock.

I think this pretty much sums up the problem with Dust:

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24277

Clearly there is a problem, I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise with a straight face. The lyssa farm managed to temporarily stabilize dust prices, but with that gone they are back on their parabolic rise.

I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that the price increase is due to Southsun either. The price stayed completely stable for 15 days after the introduction of the new Southsun content, long past the time most players had completed and left that content. Then 1 hour after the nerf the rise in price started and is still slowly increasing.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I think this pretty much sums up the problem with Dust:

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24277

Clearly there is a problem, I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise with a straight face. The lyssa farm managed to temporarily stabilize dust prices, but with that gone they are back on their parabolic rise.

I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that the price increase is due to Southsun either. The price stayed completely stable for 15 days after the introduction of the new Southsun content, long past the time most players had completed and left that content. Then 1 hour after the nerf the rise in price started and is still slowly increasing.

Most of the playerbase did NOT leave Southsun though, that’s the error in your thinking. A whole lot of people who used to spend most of their time in Orr discovered the +200% magic find buff and started spending all their time in Southsun, running back and forth between two chests for most of it.

The thing is, before Southsun, Orr on Tarnished Coast was a busy place EVEN AFTER THE NERF. We regularly had temples open. We had people running the event chains there.

Once the Southsun even started, even a week after, Orr on Tarnished Coast was a ghost town. Far far less people running Orr.

I’m not sure why you think farmers wouldn’t be interested in the 200% magic find buff that only worked on Southsun, particularly before they fixed the skelk bug, but even after, there are a whole lot of people still farming the Southsun events.

I’m not sure how anyone can discout Southsun and keep a straight face.

Yeah Southsun right now is still good for farming, perhaps even after the MF buff is gone.

Instigators are gone, skelk are gone, but the driftglass event right now spawns a huge ton of mobs (even when the event fails). It’s great that it’s on a short-timer too, at under 10 minutes. The only problem is that the karka are very powerful (since they have the enraged buff) and you need a sizeable zerg to farm it.

I can see people farming it after the event is over since there are no better alternatives…but expect it to be nerfed by Anet.

I don’t know if this applies to dust in particular but I have been very curious lately about RNG.
If the dev’s in fact control the resources available in the game, how do they control the amount of resources if RNG determines what we all receive. We all know that RNG is much kinder when there is a server restart. So with this in mind, I wondered. RNG can truly swing in any direction. With a million players trying for a precursor what would stop 1000 of them dropping in a day? Is there true RNG until a cap has been reached? How could they insure that precursors remain rare if RNG could technically cause none to drop for days or for them to rain for days.
So I did say that this doesn’t necessarily apply to dusts but in reality it could. Are there caps on mats, precursors, exotics, and anything else considered rare such as fractal weapon skins. If a threshold has been reached via an internal loot drop count, do they stop dropping or the frequency diminish?
For me, loot has never come easy even with an alt warrior lvl 80 decked out in bezerker + MF gear. I will only see an exotic drop (6 total not counting old Karka event or mini reef rider) when we have reset but even rares are still rare. I won’t complain because I have learned that the best way to make money for me is assured via the TP. I still don’t have much <100G but the last 40G was purely from the TP.

I want to be able to farm my own mats for crafting gear or a legendary. I want to feel self reliant and not bound to buying everything because it’s cheaper with gold. It’s not the reality and so I am educating myself on how to make enough profit to someday afford what others seem to get by ‘just playing the game’.

I see people like Geotherma and die a little inside because no matter how hard I try to replicate their luck, I can not. And believe me I have tried. The only thing I don’t do atm is farm CoF.
It may be that I have a weird account that is only ‘normal’ after server reset. I don’t know. I am just going with what I have and making a little bit of money via TP while I play with the guild or run around helping low level chars. <— while I play the way I want to and have fun.

Infernia.9847:

I don’t know if this applies to dust in particular but I have been very curious lately about RNG.
If the dev’s in fact control the resources available in the game, how do they control the amount of resources if RNG determines what we all receive. We all know that RNG is much kinder when there is a server restart. So with this in mind, I wondered. RNG can truly swing in any direction. With a million players trying for a precursor what would stop 1000 of them dropping in a day? Is there true RNG until a cap has been reached? How could they insure that precursors remain rare if RNG could technically cause none to drop for days or for them to rain for days.
So I did say that this doesn’t necessarily apply to dusts but in reality it could. Are there caps on mats, precursors, exotics, and anything else considered rare such as fractal weapon skins. If a threshold has been reached via an internal loot drop count, do they stop dropping or the frequency diminish?
For me, loot has never come easy even with an alt warrior lvl 80 decked out in bezerker + MF gear. I will only see an exotic drop (6 total not counting old Karka event or mini reef rider) when we have reset but even rares are still rare. I won’t complain because I have learned that the best way to make money for me is assured via the TP. I still don’t have much <100G but the last 40G was purely from the TP.

I want to be able to farm my own mats for crafting gear or a legendary. I want to feel self reliant and not bound to buying everything because it’s cheaper with gold. It’s not the reality and so I am educating myself on how to make enough profit to someday afford what others seem to get by ‘just playing the game’.

I see people like Geotherma and die a little inside because no matter how hard I try to replicate their luck, I can not. And believe me I have tried. The only thing I don’t do atm is farm CoF.
It may be that I have a weird account that is only ‘normal’ after server reset. I don’t know. I am just going with what I have and making a little bit of money via TP while I play with the guild or run around helping low level chars. <— while I play the way I want to and have fun.

We don’t know the backbone of how item drops work. We don’t know if there is a cap of # of items per week (more than likely not) or if there is a fixed % drop rate.

I lean towards the latter. Each item in the game can be rolled and has a % drop rate. Precursors could be 0.05%, t6 dust can be 3%, moldy bags 10%, e.t.c.

I don’t know what evidence/experience you have to state that RNG is better after restart. RNG is RNG. Except when we have DR, which at that point we don’t receive anything at all. But from my experience, DR does not go away on reset.

Look at my sig. That’s all my exotic drops from mobs since January. That’s in full MF gear ranging from at least 160%. You will also notice many of those exotics are from farming events. You are most likely not getting any exotics because you are aren’t farming enough mobs to increase your odds. The more rolls you have, the more chances.

I don’t have enough of either evidence/experience to make a blatant statement like that. I should have worded that as “My own experience shows that I do get better loot after a reset”.
I’ll retract that if you wish. To suggest there might be a threshold on said rare items dropping was merely a fleeting thought. RNG, if totally random could lead to mass dry times and mass drops. Statistically speaking it would be interesting to see if RNG truly averages out over time. And just how long that time would have to be to see the average. And that was all total speculation as well.

I do farm events in order to gain T6 mats to craft my own armor. I also know that this is financially irresponsible of me to do because I can buy the armor/weapons cheaper than crafting them. I decided I liked Bifrost and if I were to consider making it I needed to start collecting dust.
I was farming it in Orr before the changes and I used different characters when DR hit. I have never seen the kind of returns you have. Even when the place had the ’sweet-spot number of people farming the event and I was grouped up with a full party. I applaud your ability but it would seem that even if I were to replicate your methods I would find it difficult to see the same rewards.

Vol you are probably one of the most affluent in game. I have read your posts and advice in the past. I take what you say very seriously. Between you and Geotherma, I am amazed and jealous. I had to find a different way to make gold for whatever reason I can’t do as well as others.
Recently I took a new level 80 to Cursed shore and though I received a lot of loot, the majority was porous bones and a few blues. I left it parked there and tried two more times in 30min sessions. After the patch I saw some greens, a rare, 2 T6 mats, and multiple T5 mats. This reset phenomena has happened to me on multiple occasions. Yet, that’s just me and my miniscule sample size. Maybe my skills are awful and this game isn’t for me. I prefer to think I just have bad luck.

Infernia.9847:

I was farming it in Orr before the changes and I used different characters when DR hit. I have never seen the kind of returns you have. Even when the place had the ’sweet-spot number of people farming the event and I was grouped up with a full party. I applaud your ability but it would seem that even if I were to replicate your methods I would find it difficult to see the same rewards.

Vol you are probably one of the most affluent in game. I have read your posts and advice in the past. I take what you say very seriously. Between you and Geotherma, I am amazed and jealous. I had to find a different way to make gold for whatever reason I can’t do as well as others.
Recently I took a new level 80 to Cursed shore and though I received a lot of loot, the majority was porous bones and a few blues. I left it parked there and tried two more times in 30min sessions. After the patch I saw some greens, a rare, 2 T6 mats, and multiple T5 mats. This reset phenomena has happened to me on multiple occasions. Yet, that’s just me and my miniscule sample size. Maybe my skills are awful and this game isn’t for me. I prefer to think I just have bad luck.

The key to farming is not time invested or MF gear. Those are helpful supplements. The key is tagging as many mobs as you can. When shelt/pen was the craze, numerous times I’d see players beat on one lonely veteran while ignoring those dozen mobs behind him. 1 veteran, let alone 1 champion will more than likely not provide as much reward as those dozens of mobs. And those dozen of mobs gives you a dozen more chances for loot.

Here was my strategy. If I see a wave of mobs, I’d prioritize them. I’d also tilt my camera behind me just incase a second wave spawns. If they do, I teleport (I’m a guardian) to that other wave and tag them as well. If I see a veteran/champion, I ignore it until it’s nearly dead. If there’s any downtime with no other waves, then I beat on it long enough to get credit (no more than 10 seconds). Repeat this for the whole event and you get a ton of loot.

If you want to farm, the best event right now is Southsun @ driftglass. There are tons of karka here that can be farmed every 10 minutes, whether you complete or fail the event, but you need a sizeable zerg with you. Some classes are better than others at tagging, but the absolute best is Guardian. No other class has the tagging ability, mobility and survivability of the Guardian. Unfortunately if you’re a class like mesmer then you’re probably not going to have a good chance at loot. Might want to consider rerolling :P