Guild Wars 2

ilr.9675:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Because 500 vegetables can group together and farm embers. 500 vegetables probably need at least one person with a brain to do all the temples.

They’d be doing all the Dungeons instead if they were actually as clever and rational as they claim they are here… Maybe it’s a Fluke, but the Coffers I get from Dungeons actually seem to have better drop rates and less “garbage” in them… (and the Champs sometimes die faster just b/c there isn’t 50 staff guardians Scaling their HP up to Lyssa levels)

My favorite one though is “Orr was totally empty before we got there! No one did gates!” … I can’t think of a more obvious “well we’ve been in COF the last few months but we’re pretty sure this is how it probably was on the surface while we were gone”. It perfectly fits the stereotype of greedy people who assume nothing worthwhile ever happens when they’re not there… (meanwhile they’re also missing out on even bigger long term wealth opportunities)

Who is the real selfish one here? The guy who attempts to complete one of the 5000 events in game but also griefs several dozen players, just to make a point against those ‘nasty, dirty farmers’? Or is it the zerg that wishes to make gold in order to encourage transactions in this economy?

justkoh.4073:

Grey Warden.2983:

justkoh.4073:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

This post is pretty funny; farmers turning around and crying about griefers when they are the ones deliberately failing events for personal enrichment and insulting people for doing what the game was designed for (i.e. completing events).

It’s pretty funny, as in an odd way, that you can’t see that it isn’t that they complete the event but their stated reason for doing it.

You’re upset that they complete the events to ‘grief’ the farmers. But why can’t they complete it? It was made to be completed. Nobody owns it. You don’t and I don’t.

Actually, farmers will mind as long as the event gets completed. Doesn’t matter whether they do it to upset farmers or because they want to follow the pact’s progression through Orr (even when they’ve asked nicely beforehand), farmers will claim they’ve been trolled and insults will fly etc. IMO, since asking nicely doesn’t serve any purpose (and ironically may lead to a sense of entitlement in farmers), why bother to?

The argument against completing the ember event in Cursed Shore has even less weight than for completing the Frostgorge events. For FG, some folks say “why are you taking an interest only now?” and there is no deliberate failure too. But in CS, people were actually regularly completing the events leading up to assaulting the Gates of Arah in the weeks leading up to the Queen’s Jubilee. And speaking of griefing, I have the Gates of Arah waypoint but now I need to run the gauntlet because folks are deliberately (though indirectly) locking it?

No farmer wants to admit it is bad game design which causes this conflict amongst players because it is the bad design which lets them farm and enrich themselves thus.

Have you read what your fellow travelers are bragging about in this thread, and why they are doing it? It has been..shall we say less than stellar, game design for many months but it certainly isn’t the farmers fault nor is it something they have any problem admitting. Nothing prevents you from getting in the Arah dungeon any time you want, nothing. What happens at any other event or chain to open any other temple has absolutely nothing to do with the subject and it is a tactic used to deflect the griefers actions onto the farmers.

It’s is simple, you people are griefing other players for a whole host of trumped up reasons and not one of them is valid, including the ember chain because the griefers only started using that after they plainly bragged about shutting down the farmers because they didn’t want them to make money.
That is the sole reason for the griefing, always has been and always will be.

I’m sure many people are sitting on the edge of their seat in anticipation of you next “it’s the farmers fault” argument.

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

Grey Warden.2983:

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

It’s not greedy to want the best gear/guild upgrades/etc. but is the “I must have this right this instant” mentality greedy? IMO yes it is. You make is sound like there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO MAKE ANY MONEY IN THIS GAME without taking advantage of failing an event for plentiful and quick champ spawns/resets. That is simply not true, it’s just your justification to continue doing what you’re doing. It’s the “it couldn’t possibly be my fault” argument.

Also, sitting in a zerg of 20+ people auto-attacking does not require effort.

CelebrityX.7014:

Grey Warden.2983:

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

It’s not greedy to want the best gear/guild upgrades/etc. but is the “I must have this right this instant” mentality greedy? IMO yes it is. You make is sound like there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO MAKE ANY MONEY IN THIS GAME without taking advantage of failing an event for plentiful and quick champ spawns/resets. That is simply not true, it’s just your justification to continue doing what you’re doing. It’s the “it couldn’t possibly be my fault” argument.

Also, sitting in a zerg of 20+ people auto-attacking does not require effort.

I see you ignored the fact that it takes effort to do everything else, but I thank you for ignoring my point and telling me how I should play my game and how long it should take before I see any reward for my efforts…really appreciate that, you have no idea how much, can’t thank you enough…swell of you…

BTW, exactly how do you make money in this game, since you know all that kind of stuff. I noticed you didn’t offer any particulars, just that there are plenty of ways. Come on, share the wealth commrad.

Grey Warden.2983:

CelebrityX.7014:

Grey Warden.2983:

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

It’s not greedy to want the best gear/guild upgrades/etc. but is the “I must have this right this instant” mentality greedy? IMO yes it is. You make is sound like there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO MAKE ANY MONEY IN THIS GAME without taking advantage of failing an event for plentiful and quick champ spawns/resets. That is simply not true, it’s just your justification to continue doing what you’re doing. It’s the “it couldn’t possibly be my fault” argument.

Also, sitting in a zerg of 20+ people auto-attacking does not require effort.

I see you ignored the fact that it takes effort to do everything else, but I thank you for ignoring my point and telling me how I should play my game and how long it should take before I see any reward for my efforts…really appreciate that, you have no idea how much, can’t thank you enough…swell of you…

Hmm, don’t really see in my post(s) where I’m telling you how to play your game. Simply stating my opinion of the matter. What exactly did I ignore that it takes effort for? Failing the event? I guess that takes effort to not kill the cauldron. What else did I miss?

EDIT: To address your update. I make money by doing DEs, killing enemies around various maps, World Events, selling crafting materials, selling loot drops, and also through the champ boxes that are dropped when I do champ train farms (notice I did mention that I do participate in that).

There better be a fix to the exploiting of the cursed shore event that allows players to get 40g a day or players will start getting bored and quit.

I honestly don’t see how people can grind something over and over again. Then again I never played a traditional MMO where it required me to do so.

The majority of the population of my server and many others have flocked to this event and are farming the crap out of it. IMO This is wrong because that is not how the game was intended to be played. Am I gonna stop players from doing it? No. There is no way I could , unless I got a party of people to complete the event.

The devs better nerf that event to the ground before the economy is busted and the community gets even more toxic.

Like I said, all those things have been nerfed as far as loot, while made more difficult to do. Never mind the repair and travel cost. I can gather mats and do, but selling elder wood and mithril just don’t feed the kitty. They simple are not worth the effort.
Taking advantage of a good loot farm isn’t greedy, and it certainly doesn’t mean people can get everything NOW. Even if it did, it isn’t your business or place to tell them they are doing it wrong or how long it should take to accomplish THEIR goal.
And THAT is the whole problem with those who grief these events.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

There better be a fix to the exploiting of the cursed shore event that allows players to get 40g a day or players will start getting bored and quit.

I honestly don’t see how people can grind something over and over again. Then again I never played a traditional MMO where it required me to do so.

The majority of the population of my server and many others have flocked to this event and are farming the crap out of it. IMO This is wrong because that is not how the game was intended to be played. Am I gonna stop players from doing it? No. There is no way I could , unless I got a party of people to complete the event.

The devs better nerf that event to the ground before the economy is busted and the community gets even more toxic.

While I do farm the said event, I kinda agree. I think the best solution is to make finishing the event more rewarding than failing it.

Maybe lessen the Champs spawning? Or prevent them from re-spawning? Then increase the reward for reaching the Legendary. 1g + treasure perhaps?

And as to why we farm? Answer is obvious: more Gold! Since we could exchange Gold to Gem, more gold = more buying power (both Gem and, well, Gold).
I think it’s safe to assume that if most people could buy whatever they want, it’s fun for them.

Its not an exploit.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

There better be a fix to the exploiting of the cursed shore event that allows players to get 40g a day or players will start getting bored and quit.

I honestly don’t see how people can grind something over and over again. Then again I never played a traditional MMO where it required me to do so.

The majority of the population of my server and many others have flocked to this event and are farming the crap out of it. IMO This is wrong because that is not how the game was intended to be played. Am I gonna stop players from doing it? No. There is no way I could , unless I got a party of people to complete the event.

The devs better nerf that event to the ground before the economy is busted and the community gets even more toxic.

I believe we are entitled to play/use whatever Anet puts in the game the way we want.

I have not done Ember farm, simpliy because there are better farms. As for those who don’t want to complete the event, I would say they are not doing anything wrong as long as they don’t start flaming if you and you’r group completes it.

Why people grind? Because we have been left for 10 months with crap rewards and now people take the chance while they have it.

But as I’ve said before, you will never get gold easy in GW2 since you can buy gems with gold.(>Anet gets less $$$/€€€)

Funny how you state that these “toxic” people will get bored because they have too much gold and quit. Woudn’t that be good? :P

Grey Warden.2983:

Just as it is none of your business how other people play, works both ways, except when you name something an exploit that Anet has refused to call an exploit.

Ok. So, when you say…

Grey Warden.2983:

What they are doing if griefing and it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

…You are naming something a way to grief that ArenaNet has refused to call griefing.

We can see how weak your arguments are by how they defeat themselves. If you claim no one can judge how other players play, you can’t judge your so-called griefers.

Grey Warden.2983:

People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.

Uhuh. People became rich farming CoF. This update prevented that, but it introduced a new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them (the Frostgourge train).

The reason why people are exploiting Orr isn’t because there is nowhere else to farm – it’s because Orr gives a lot of money quickly, and the players there don’t think there’s anything bad about using loopholes in the game while not playing it as it was intended to be played. In other words, it’s because exploiters are greedy and they don’t mind exploiting, instead of becoming incredibly rich slightly less fast.

Vol.5241:

Who is the real selfish one here? The guy who attempts to complete one of the 5000 events in game but also griefs several dozen players, just to make a point against those ‘nasty, dirty farmers’? Or is it the zerg that wishes to make gold in order to encourage transactions in this economy?

The zerg, of course. It’s made by players that cause massive inflation for everyone else, while exploiting the game and concentrating wealth. They hurt the entire game, and one of the ways they do so is by creating the toxic atmosphere seen in this topic.

Don’t like it, don’t do it.

The problem isn’t really with the players though. If you remember how Anet changed Dynamic Events to scale with the amount of players so that they could nerf the Pent/Shelter farm. Well then players stopped doing events and bailed out of Orr because it wasn’t rewarding at all. So then Anet changed it so that events(Champions) have value and players are back to doing events. Keep in mind, all the while, Anet has been nerfing every other marginally profitable farm that existed, so this is the product of this farm nerfing mentality.

To me, intent is what matters. If players are acting solely to mess with others, or players are messaging threats and the like to try to intimidate others, then both are in the wrong. Being a kitten to get back at or teach a lesson to someone who’s doing something you don’t approve of is still being a kitten.

Zindrix.1750:

Keep in mind, all the while, Anet has been nerfing every other marginally profitable farm that existed, so this is the product of this farm nerfing mentality.

CoF was allowed to be farmed for months. ArenaNet only nerfed it now, while introducing multiple other ways to farm.

Huh, the event appears to be “bugged” in a few servers. The NPCs just won’t move to the Anchorage. At least Arah is open while the event is stuck in that part.

Mattargul.9235:

You know, in a “smart” community, we’d designate some (one? two?) servers to pass the event to get the merch and some servers to fail, so people can continue to farm. With free guesting you just go where it’s you kind of deal.

Ive said that too. But it seems to go over the people completing it heads.

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

Just as it is none of your business how other people play, works both ways, except when you name something an exploit that Anet has refused to call an exploit.

Ok. So, when you say…

Grey Warden.2983:

What they are doing if griefing and it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

…You are naming something a way to grief that ArenaNet has refused to call griefing.

We can see how weak your arguments are by how they defeat themselves. If you claim no one can judge how other players play, you can’t judge your so-called griefers.

Grey Warden.2983:

People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.

Uhuh. People became rich farming CoF. This update prevented that, but it introduced a new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them (the Frostgourge train).

The reason why people are exploiting Orr isn’t because there is nowhere else to farm – it’s because Orr gives a lot of money quickly, and the players there don’t think there’s anything bad about using loopholes in the game while not playing it as it was intended to be played. In other words, it’s because exploiters are greedy and they don’t mind exploiting, instead of becoming incredibly rich slightly less fast.

Vol.5241:

Who is the real selfish one here? The guy who attempts to complete one of the 5000 events in game but also griefs several dozen players, just to make a point against those ‘nasty, dirty farmers’? Or is it the zerg that wishes to make gold in order to encourage transactions in this economy?

The zerg, of course. It’s made by players that cause massive inflation for everyone else, while exploiting the game and concentrating wealth. They hurt the entire game, and one of the ways they do so is by creating the toxic atmosphere seen in this topic.

This guy. He gets it.

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

They don’t care about that, they have seized on the opportunity to enforce their no gold for anyone policy on everyone.

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

The next thin you know, if an event fails, people will get accused of being farmers trying to ‘exploit’

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

No, no one’s saying that. It is abuseable however and obviously not what Anet intended if you read Colin’s post more carefully. Infact this has been an on-going dialogue that Anet has weighed in on even back before the game was live when they first announced D.E.’s. …As in:, a Developer literally came to Guru and assured us personally that events like the “Giant Champ” on the Promenade that could potentially block other players from succeeding an event simply by “Scaling” too much, would always get patched…. or changed in some way so that no one would have conflicting interests.

This one… if you look at the palpable immaturity of the Farmers involved, is actually a lot worse than the Giant was. And I mean that strictly in their CUSTOMER SUPPORT department, not the design itself. Consider for a minute just how many more /reports they’re now having to sift through, both legitimate ones, and “abusing-report function like it was L.o.L.” kind of tickets…) that is a COLOSSAL waste of human resources right there that doesn’t need to be happening in the first place

Erasculio.2914:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Am I gonna stop players from doing it? No. There is no way I could , unless I got a party of people to complete the event.

You can, just walk in there while the zerg is killing the champions and destroy the cauldrons. It prevents the event from starting again for around 6 hours, and it’s something a player can do solo while the zerg farms.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

The devs better nerf that event to the ground before the economy is busted and the community gets even more toxic.

Too late.

I remember, during the Snowflake exploit, how ArenaNet puffed their chest to claim they would never allow exploiters to run rampant, and how they would punish anyone exploiting the game. I guess losing a few hundred thousand players made ArenaNet realize how valuable are the players they would lose if they actually banned all exploiters in the game.

This is what we get now. It’s ok to exploit, just do it quickly before it’s nerfed.

You spend a great deal of time talking out of both side of your mouth.
you say “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…” and then call it an exploit and a loophole.

That snowflake deal is just another straw man you are trying to set up.
This event farming is nothing like the snowflake exploit, that was not intended.
Although I have it on good authority that the update provided a “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…”

ilr.9675:

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

No, no one’s saying that. It is abuseable however and obviously not what Anet intended if you read Colin’s post more carefully. Infact this has been an on-going dialogue that Anet has weighed in on even back before the game was live when they first announced D.E.’s. …As in:, a Developer literally came to Guru and assured us personally that events like the “Giant Champ” on the Promenade that could potentially block other players from succeeding an event simply by “Scaling” too much, would always get patched…. or changed in some way so that no one would have conflicting interests.

This one… if you look at the palpable immaturity of the Farmers involved, is actually a lot worse than the Giant was. And I mean that strictly in their CUSTOMER SUPPORT department, not the design itself. Consider for a minute just how many more /reports they’re now having to sift through, both legitimate ones, and “abusing-report function like it was L.o.L.” kind of tickets…) that is a COLOSSAL waste of human resources right there that doesn’t need to be happening in the first place

Speaking of palpable immaturity, what do you call what you and your fellow travelers are doing, “just because it is not the way the game is supposed to be played”
which makes your statement “No, no one’s saying that.” a flat out lie.

I suggest you read Colin’s statement again and pay attention to the no giant nerf hammer part.

ilr.9675:

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

No, no one’s saying that. It is abuseable however and obviously not what Anet intended if you read Colin’s post more carefully. Infact this has been an on-going dialogue that Anet has weighed in on even back before the game was live when they first announced D.E.’s. …As in:, a Developer literally came to Guru and assured us personally that events like the “Giant Champ” on the Promenade that could potentially block other players from succeeding an event simply by “Scaling” too much, would always get patched…. or changed in some way so that no one would have conflicting interests.

This one… if you look at the palpable immaturity of the Farmers involved, is actually a lot worse than the Giant was. And I mean that strictly in their CUSTOMER SUPPORT department, not the design itself. Consider for a minute just how many more /reports they’re now having to sift through, both legitimate ones, and “abusing-report function like it was L.o.L.” kind of tickets…) that is a COLOSSAL waste of human resources right there that doesn’t need to be happening in the first place

Yep, but until they fix it or make it illegal, I don’t see it changing. Colin also said “they want us to want to finish the event”. How could we “want” to finish the event if we’re gaining so much by not doing so?

Right now, aside from opening the WP on Arah for those who doesn’t have it and having the Karma Merch up, I don’t think there is a point on finishing up the event.

It’s under-rewarded for the effort people will put through.

Tarnished coast has once again broken the shackles of the ember farm. I do love destroying those cauldrons.

A simple fix for this would be to split the anchorage event in two. Let destroying the cauldrons be the first event, and let Andarzbad be the second event. The cauldrons can still be timed, but Andarzbad doesn’t need a timer. That way, it is incredibly easy to progress the event to the champion fight.

As it stands, the giant farm-zergs will often simply stop attacking andarzbad all together until the event fails. Changing it into two seperate events would ensure that a farm-zerg would not be able to block event progress.

Yep, but until they fix it or make it illegal, I don’t see it changing. Colin also said “they want us to want to finish the event”. How could we “want” to finish the event if we’re gaining so much by not doing so?

Right now, aside from opening the WP on Arah for those who doesn’t have it and having the Karma Merch up, I don’t think there is a point on finishing up the event.

It’s under-rewarded for the effort people will put through.

That way point is seldom contested, Anet made it open months ago.

I don’t care if they nerf it. I don’t care if it is the new number one way to cash out. I do however care that the rest of the world is much emptier than it was previously, so I won’t be playing much until the rest of the world has players in it.

Grey Warden.2983:

you say “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…” and then call it an exploit and a loophole.

Exactly. Farmers could farm in the area designed for farming, in other words, in the Crown Pavillion. They could farm in Frostgourge Sound, where there are a lot of champions.

But no. While having all those options, they chose to use an exploit. In other words, the argument “there’s no way to make gold, that’s why people are using this exploit” is false – there are places made to farm, but exploiters have chosen to ignore all of them and flock to an exploit instead.

Grey Warden.2983:

That snowflake deal is just another straw man you are trying to set up.
This event farming is nothing like the snowflake exploit, that was not intended.

And intentionally failing an event in order to farm is not intended. By your own definition, that’s an exploit. Thank you for proving my point.

We could “farm” in the lower reward areas, but we’d be gimping ourselves out of some gold by doing so.

And kitten , its not an exploit, quite trying to label it as one.

Abyssisis.3971:

We could “farm” in the lower reward areas, but we’d be gimping ourselves out of some gold by doing so.

You could make a large amount of gold slightly less quickly, but instead chose to play the game in a way it has not been intended to be played in order to get more rewards more quickly. Rewards which, for the records, have a negative impact in the rest of the community, by creating inflation and by concentrating wealth in the hand of the exploiters.

Isn’t that the very definition of exploiting? Playing the game in a way that has not been intended, in order to get more rewards for yourself, but for the detriment of everyone else?

From what I have seen the majority of the players doing the ember farm are the rudest players I have come across since this game was released. You’ll see a dozen or more downed players with maybe one or two people helping to get them up, the rest can’t be bothered to stop pressing 1 for two seconds to get the poor souls whose system can’t handle what is happening back on their feet. With so many people in such a small area two seconds is all it would take unless they are still in an AoE.
When the Zerg ran in Straits at release people went down and everyone around them helped them back up. Even now in the pavilion people revive downed players on the events and don’t make comments like “it’s your party’s responsibility to revive you”. The behavior of the farmers in Cursed Shore is just rude in general for the few that say anything in map chat other than lfg.
This is the exact opposite behavior Anet designed this game to produce, and if an event farm is creating behavior like that then it needs to go. If for now that only happens by brave souls willing to risk the wrath of the Zerg by completing the event then hats off to them till Anet adjusts this event.

They should give each event chain, separate event and standalone champion a node flag. Including champions in dungeons.

So each account can get bonus champion loot from each one only once a day, or even once a week.

That way people who really wants the stuff would have to travel the world for it.

Then remove any bonus loot from spawns in events, and give only a stack of event victory chest at the end, upon success. Bigger the stack the higher the event scaling, up to a limit. So sticking together following a commander still has its rewards, but only if the commander is also a traveler that goes all over the world.

It is intended for players to kill champions to gain loot, of which we are doing.

ANet has clearly stated that if something seems to good to be true, it probably is. So don’t forget that “We can do it, therefore it’s intended” is never a excuse.

Abyssisis.3971:

It is intended for players to kill champions to gain loot, of which we are doing.

It is intended for players to at least try to suceed in Dynamic Events, which is the opposite of what you are doing.

ColinJohanson.2394:

That being said: the behavior we want is people join up together to play events, but they want to succeed those events and win them, we never want to be in a state where intentionally failing an event is more rewarding or better for players. We’re not going to take a giant hammer to champion loot, we love it and love seeing people joining together to do events. We do want to make succeeding events what the game is about. We also do want to make some events in the future even more challenging, and in return more rewarding for succeeding.

umm this is clearly an exploit and needs to be fixed right away. I and others do temples in cursed shore most every day. But this exploit is driving us away as it causes two of the temples to be blocked out by 100’s of farmers screaming and cursing at you if you try to do what you have been doing for the past year with our groups.

The main problem is it blocks boss fights in cursed shore. I, like many, in part do these as they provide the best chance at precursor weapons. And as for the new champ drops, these farmers don’t seem to realize that many champs spawn during the temple events and just farming the ember results in less drops of the sort.

But blocking the temples to farm the ember is a complete fail, needs to be addressed asap as for many of us it has taken a good portion of our regular game-play away.

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later.

I’m not there to do an event, I’m there to kill champions, its not my problem/fault if you guys fail the event and it restarts spawning more champions.

i can see this being hit in the same way Union Waypoint farm was only for the sole purpose of the SUSPICION that they are doing it like UW farming. however finding a champ track to farm is alright, given if they camp ONE champ for 10 minutes and it still doesnt spawn and instead looking for others to kill WHILE that one’s timer resets to respawn it…yeah, champ tracks arent the problem, its the event exploiting based on scaling everything up.

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later

Remember when cultural weapons were made available for a very very low price, and hordes of players bought a lot of them, only to be banned a while later for exploiting what was ultimately a bug?

Wasn’t that pretty much “an oversight which anet” did fix sooner or later?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

munkiman.3068:

What’s interesting is if these large zergs did the entire 2 hour run, they’d be swimming in champ chests. The temples reset every 2 hours, it takes slightly longer to complete them all, which basically means you could do all the temples, all day long, completing each event and getting an extreme amount of loot. Why that’s not happening, i can only attribute to people not knowing or simply being lazy.

Because 500 vegetables can group together and farm embers. 500 vegetables probably need at least one person with a brain to do all the temples.

That’s a bit nasty.

Grey Warden.2983:

Yep, but until they fix it or make it illegal, I don’t see it changing. Colin also said “they want us to want to finish the event”. How could we “want” to finish the event if we’re gaining so much by not doing so?

Right now, aside from opening the WP on Arah for those who doesn’t have it and having the Karma Merch up, I don’t think there is a point on finishing up the event.

It’s under-rewarded for the effort people will put through.

That way point is seldom contested, Anet made it open months ago.

Yeah, that’s why I said “those who don’t have it”. :p

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later.

I’m not there to do an event, I’m there to kill champions, its not my problem/fault if you guys fail the event and it restarts spawning more champions.

Dude, I can solo ember, it’s only a champion. When you have 250 farmers standing there (on my server other than TC) waiting for the clock to tick down for fail, then attack the champion, that my friend is an exploit to the designed system. Not a serious exploit, but still falls into that category. Not a bannable exploit imo, but an exploit that needs to be addressed right away.

Easy fix, on fail make ember despawn. Then us regular cursed shore players can have the anchorage wp back to do the two temples that are part of our regular game-play of which are completely denied to us now (and the third since there is no reason to go to CS now for just one temple). There are lots of champs in the game, I do those too, farmers are not going to loose anything by this being fixed now! Dude, go to frostgorge, where killing champs there do not destroy the game.

We already lost Arah assault to the farmers in the past due to the giant exploit, it seems insulting that we must endure this again, and even worse now as we don’t have the wp to do grenth any longer. And yet these farmers don’t realize that moving from one temple/champ to the next will net more champ drops than just waiting for ember to restart. Just so fail.

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later.

I’m not there to do an event, I’m there to kill champions, its not my problem/fault if you guys fail the event and it restarts spawning more champions.

So does that mean you destroy the cauldrons and try and take down the final champ?

And what did players do with said weapons? Salvage and sell exos?

Why would I destroy the cauldrons? I’m not trying to do any events, I’m just there to farm champions, can’t destroy the final champ by myself, but the zerg helps after the event fails…

Grey Warden.2983:

I suggest you read Colin’s statement again and pay attention to the no giant nerf hammer part.

There’s a big difference between no giant nerf hammer to champion drops in general and modifying this one event so it does not run perpetually. Neither you nor I know what they will do, but the straw you are clinging to is not the one you think you have.

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later.

I’m not there to do an event, I’m there to kill champions, its not my problem/fault if you guys fail the event and it restarts spawning more champions.

One of the problems with exploits of any kind is that people refuse to acknowledge that they are exploits.

“It’s not an exploit, I’m just being clever.”

“It’s not a hack, it’s just a useful tool.”

“I’m not cheating, <insert excuse>.”

It’s an exploit, deal with it.

And the other people is naysayers will label anything a hack/bug/exploit if if doesn’t fit with their ideas. Just because you think it is, doesn’t mean it is.

Abyssisis.3971:

And the other people is naysayers will label anything a hack/bug/exploit if if doesn’t fit with their ideas. Just because you think it is, doesn’t mean it is.

Labeling something an exploit is one thing, but usinging kindergarten logic to justify exploiting is an entirely different matter.

Claiming that pursuing rewards for intentionally failing an event is not an exploit, is nothing else but a childish excuse.