Guild Wars 2

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

Its not like ascended is that hard to get… Without farming anything I had enough bloodstone, dragonite, and fragments for a full set after just playing the game. People need to calm down. If there was content that required legendary gear I would understand, but its just ascended. You can always mix/match ascended and exotic too.

your perspective is based on what you were able to do by accident after many months of playing.
Ascended is ok as a long term goal you arent directly aiming for, that is how its aquisition was designed, except for fractals.
But that has changed. Now people need it in the short term to participate with their friends/groups/new shiny content.

note that you could do fractals with zero ascended, and as you got better, and repeated content you got more of what you needed to progress.

point is, dont think of how you accidently got ascended over the last 8 months, think about what you would have to do if you needed a new set in order to play with your friends, with no built up resources.
New players, returning players, people who ignored ascended are all in that boat now.

Is it cool to sit out of your friends new exciting adventures for a month, because you would hold em back?

If you would be noticably holding them back its not going to be because of gear, do your friends really not trust you over a pug with Ascended? Also if you had played with your friends who did Fractals over the last 2 years you wouldn’t be in this situation. Or if you just played over the last 3 years you would be reasonably comaprable to Ascended.

Stop making up problems that don’t exist.

do you really think everyone who they want to play this game has already been playing the game for years?
part of the reason they release and expansion is to get RETURNING PLAYERS and remarket to NEW PLAYERS and the player base specifically told many players DONT GET ASCENDED IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO FRACTALS.

you keep on myopically looking at everything from your own perspective as a guy who has been playing some what consistently for a long time, that is not everyone who they hope to market this to.

They want new players who like raids
they want old players to come back to try raids
they want people who havent tried stuff before to try it now

ascended aquisition is a large impediment to that.

And your assumption that people like to be the kitten guy in the difficult content is false. i have known many friends who quit doing something until they get the gear or level up, if they feel they are holding people back. You can tell them nah dont worry about it, but they dont feel comfortable being the gimpy guy.

lets make something clear, you will ALWAYS be more useful to your team in better gear.

Also, many of these guys arent just competing with pugs, they are competing with GUILDIES, there may be 20 other guys who want to do it, why should they put you in the group when you dont have the gear?

for real, start looking at things how they are, rather than perfect scenarios. Good design considers all the ways a system interacts with its users.

This is not about being for or against anet, this about objectively looking how the systems interact with each other and with players.

go tell your friend oh, you should have been playing the last 2 years when they are sitting out. Real ace move

You say I speak for myself but then choose to speak for Anet…

They made Raids for people that like Raids – they made endgame PvE not ‘just hit 80 stuff’ and they made it deliberately.

I was in a few Raid guilds in WoW, we were server 1st-3rd for 10man throughout Uld, ToC, ICC and all of Cata we NEVER asked a friend to sit out because of gear because we knew it was the skill of the player that mattered the most and we knew they would put the effort in to catch up (be that switching to an alt or coming back after a break). So don’t tell me about asking friends sit out… We had great success and did it with all our friends. You just don’t understand what Raids are or the people who like them – which is fine but don’t try and warp things based around YOUR insufficient experience and drive to Raid.

Once again you are only looking at how you experience things, or how you think people should use it, rather than how people can and will use things.

That type of thinking is what leads to exploits and unintended consequences.

Think how ALL players may interact with the systems

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

Its not like ascended is that hard to get… Without farming anything I had enough bloodstone, dragonite, and fragments for a full set after just playing the game. People need to calm down. If there was content that required legendary gear I would understand, but its just ascended. You can always mix/match ascended and exotic too.

your perspective is based on what you were able to do by accident after many months of playing.
Ascended is ok as a long term goal you arent directly aiming for, that is how its aquisition was designed, except for fractals.
But that has changed. Now people need it in the short term to participate with their friends/groups/new shiny content.

note that you could do fractals with zero ascended, and as you got better, and repeated content you got more of what you needed to progress.

point is, dont think of how you accidently got ascended over the last 8 months, think about what you would have to do if you needed a new set in order to play with your friends, with no built up resources.
New players, returning players, people who ignored ascended are all in that boat now.

Is it cool to sit out of your friends new exciting adventures for a month, because you would hold em back?

If you would be noticably holding them back its not going to be because of gear, do your friends really not trust you over a pug with Ascended? Also if you had played with your friends who did Fractals over the last 2 years you wouldn’t be in this situation. Or if you just played over the last 3 years you would be reasonably comaprable to Ascended.

Stop making up problems that don’t exist.

do you really think everyone who they want to play this game has already been playing the game for years?
part of the reason they release and expansion is to get RETURNING PLAYERS and remarket to NEW PLAYERS and the player base specifically told many players DONT GET ASCENDED IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO FRACTALS.

you keep on myopically looking at everything from your own perspective as a guy who has been playing some what consistently for a long time, that is not everyone who they hope to market this to.

They want new players who like raids
they want old players to come back to try raids
they want people who havent tried stuff before to try it now

ascended aquisition is a large impediment to that.

And your assumption that people like to be the kitten guy in the difficult content is false. i have known many friends who quit doing something until they get the gear or level up, if they feel they are holding people back. You can tell them nah dont worry about it, but they dont feel comfortable being the gimpy guy.

lets make something clear, you will ALWAYS be more useful to your team in better gear.

Also, many of these guys arent just competing with pugs, they are competing with GUILDIES, there may be 20 other guys who want to do it, why should they put you in the group when you dont have the gear?

for real, start looking at things how they are, rather than perfect scenarios. Good design considers all the ways a system interacts with its users.

This is not about being for or against anet, this about objectively looking how the systems interact with each other and with players.

go tell your friend oh, you should have been playing the last 2 years when they are sitting out. Real ace move

You say I speak for myself but then choose to speak for Anet…

They made Raids for people that like Raids – they made endgame PvE not ‘just hit 80 stuff’ and they made it deliberately.

I was in a few Raid guilds in WoW, we were server 1st-3rd for 10man throughout Uld, ToC, ICC and all of Cata we NEVER asked a friend to sit out because of gear because we knew it was the skill of the player that mattered the most and we knew they would put the effort in to catch up (be that switching to an alt or coming back after a break). So don’t tell me about asking friends sit out… We had great success and did it with all our friends. You just don’t understand what Raids are or the people who like them – which is fine but don’t try and warp things based around YOUR insufficient experience and drive to Raid.

Once again you are only looking at how you experience things, or how you think people should use it, rather than how people can and will use things.

That type of thinking is what leads to exploits and unintended consequences.

Think how ALL players may interact with the systems

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

Its not like ascended is that hard to get… Without farming anything I had enough bloodstone, dragonite, and fragments for a full set after just playing the game. People need to calm down. If there was content that required legendary gear I would understand, but its just ascended. You can always mix/match ascended and exotic too.

your perspective is based on what you were able to do by accident after many months of playing.
Ascended is ok as a long term goal you arent directly aiming for, that is how its aquisition was designed, except for fractals.
But that has changed. Now people need it in the short term to participate with their friends/groups/new shiny content.

note that you could do fractals with zero ascended, and as you got better, and repeated content you got more of what you needed to progress.

point is, dont think of how you accidently got ascended over the last 8 months, think about what you would have to do if you needed a new set in order to play with your friends, with no built up resources.
New players, returning players, people who ignored ascended are all in that boat now.

Is it cool to sit out of your friends new exciting adventures for a month, because you would hold em back?

If you would be noticably holding them back its not going to be because of gear, do your friends really not trust you over a pug with Ascended? Also if you had played with your friends who did Fractals over the last 2 years you wouldn’t be in this situation. Or if you just played over the last 3 years you would be reasonably comaprable to Ascended.

Stop making up problems that don’t exist.

do you really think everyone who they want to play this game has already been playing the game for years?
part of the reason they release and expansion is to get RETURNING PLAYERS and remarket to NEW PLAYERS and the player base specifically told many players DONT GET ASCENDED IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO FRACTALS.

you keep on myopically looking at everything from your own perspective as a guy who has been playing some what consistently for a long time, that is not everyone who they hope to market this to.

They want new players who like raids
they want old players to come back to try raids
they want people who havent tried stuff before to try it now

ascended aquisition is a large impediment to that.

And your assumption that people like to be the kitten guy in the difficult content is false. i have known many friends who quit doing something until they get the gear or level up, if they feel they are holding people back. You can tell them nah dont worry about it, but they dont feel comfortable being the gimpy guy.

lets make something clear, you will ALWAYS be more useful to your team in better gear.

Also, many of these guys arent just competing with pugs, they are competing with GUILDIES, there may be 20 other guys who want to do it, why should they put you in the group when you dont have the gear?

for real, start looking at things how they are, rather than perfect scenarios. Good design considers all the ways a system interacts with its users.

This is not about being for or against anet, this about objectively looking how the systems interact with each other and with players.

go tell your friend oh, you should have been playing the last 2 years when they are sitting out. Real ace move

You say I speak for myself but then choose to speak for Anet…

They made Raids for people that like Raids – they made endgame PvE not ‘just hit 80 stuff’ and they made it deliberately.

I was in a few Raid guilds in WoW, we were server 1st-3rd for 10man throughout Uld, ToC, ICC and all of Cata we NEVER asked a friend to sit out because of gear because we knew it was the skill of the player that mattered the most and we knew they would put the effort in to catch up (be that switching to an alt or coming back after a break). So don’t tell me about asking friends sit out… We had great success and did it with all our friends. You just don’t understand what Raids are or the people who like them – which is fine but don’t try and warp things based around YOUR insufficient experience and drive to Raid.

Once again you are only looking at how you experience things, or how you think people should use it, rather than how people can and will use things.

That type of thinking is what leads to exploits and unintended consequences.

Think how ALL players may interact with the systems

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

Think about all the players who do interact with it, will interact with it.

The only time designers can ignore how people interact is if they are sure they cant interact with it.

Thats why toys are labeled with age reqs, games with minimum requirements, etc.

If you let people interact, you have to consider how it works.

Raids are being actively promoted to the types i mentioned.
The ascended aquisition style is not currently working well with the objectives of raids, at appealing to those groups they are promoting raids to.

Anyhow believe what you want. I hope the devs think deeper than you.

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

But when systems aren’t for enough of the players then they go the way of the dungeons. If you like a system, it’s in your best interests to figure out a way to make it appeal to a large enough audience to keep it viable.

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

Its not like ascended is that hard to get… Without farming anything I had enough bloodstone, dragonite, and fragments for a full set after just playing the game. People need to calm down. If there was content that required legendary gear I would understand, but its just ascended. You can always mix/match ascended and exotic too.

your perspective is based on what you were able to do by accident after many months of playing.
Ascended is ok as a long term goal you arent directly aiming for, that is how its aquisition was designed, except for fractals.
But that has changed. Now people need it in the short term to participate with their friends/groups/new shiny content.

note that you could do fractals with zero ascended, and as you got better, and repeated content you got more of what you needed to progress.

point is, dont think of how you accidently got ascended over the last 8 months, think about what you would have to do if you needed a new set in order to play with your friends, with no built up resources.
New players, returning players, people who ignored ascended are all in that boat now.

Is it cool to sit out of your friends new exciting adventures for a month, because you would hold em back?

If you would be noticably holding them back its not going to be because of gear, do your friends really not trust you over a pug with Ascended? Also if you had played with your friends who did Fractals over the last 2 years you wouldn’t be in this situation. Or if you just played over the last 3 years you would be reasonably comaprable to Ascended.

Stop making up problems that don’t exist.

do you really think everyone who they want to play this game has already been playing the game for years?
part of the reason they release and expansion is to get RETURNING PLAYERS and remarket to NEW PLAYERS and the player base specifically told many players DONT GET ASCENDED IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO FRACTALS.

you keep on myopically looking at everything from your own perspective as a guy who has been playing some what consistently for a long time, that is not everyone who they hope to market this to.

They want new players who like raids
they want old players to come back to try raids
they want people who havent tried stuff before to try it now

ascended aquisition is a large impediment to that.

And your assumption that people like to be the kitten guy in the difficult content is false. i have known many friends who quit doing something until they get the gear or level up, if they feel they are holding people back. You can tell them nah dont worry about it, but they dont feel comfortable being the gimpy guy.

lets make something clear, you will ALWAYS be more useful to your team in better gear.

Also, many of these guys arent just competing with pugs, they are competing with GUILDIES, there may be 20 other guys who want to do it, why should they put you in the group when you dont have the gear?

for real, start looking at things how they are, rather than perfect scenarios. Good design considers all the ways a system interacts with its users.

This is not about being for or against anet, this about objectively looking how the systems interact with each other and with players.

go tell your friend oh, you should have been playing the last 2 years when they are sitting out. Real ace move

You say I speak for myself but then choose to speak for Anet…

They made Raids for people that like Raids – they made endgame PvE not ‘just hit 80 stuff’ and they made it deliberately.

I was in a few Raid guilds in WoW, we were server 1st-3rd for 10man throughout Uld, ToC, ICC and all of Cata we NEVER asked a friend to sit out because of gear because we knew it was the skill of the player that mattered the most and we knew they would put the effort in to catch up (be that switching to an alt or coming back after a break). So don’t tell me about asking friends sit out… We had great success and did it with all our friends. You just don’t understand what Raids are or the people who like them – which is fine but don’t try and warp things based around YOUR insufficient experience and drive to Raid.

Once again you are only looking at how you experience things, or how you think people should use it, rather than how people can and will use things.

That type of thinking is what leads to exploits and unintended consequences.

Think how ALL players may interact with the systems

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

Think about all the players who do interact with it, will interact with it.

The only time designers can ignore how people interact is if they are sure they cant interact with it.

Thats why toys are labeled with age reqs, games with minimum requirements, etc.

If you let people interact, you have to consider how it works.

Raids are being actively promoted to the types i mentioned.
The ascended aquisition style is not currently working well with the objectives of raids, at appealing to those groups they are promoting raids to.

Anyhow believe what you want. I hope the devs think deeper than you.

Actually Raids are being marketed to a subset of the people you mentioned (if I want to sell something to boys I will put an advert on TV even though I know girls will see it) and the devs have very clearly given their view on Raids.

I’ve already told you why Ascended gear isn’t a barrier and your continued declaration that it is stopping all these people gagging for raids but have shown no interest in getting Ascended and will be without the desire to get Ascended in future is just sad.

Ohoni.6057:

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

But when systems aren’t for enough of the players then they go the way of the dungeons. If you like a system, it’s in your best interests to figure out a way to make it appeal to a large enough audience to keep it viable.

Lets wait and see how Raids go first instead of compromising the vision before they even launch, maybe?

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

Coulter.2315:

phys.7689:

InsidiousWaffle.7086:

Its not like ascended is that hard to get… Without farming anything I had enough bloodstone, dragonite, and fragments for a full set after just playing the game. People need to calm down. If there was content that required legendary gear I would understand, but its just ascended. You can always mix/match ascended and exotic too.

your perspective is based on what you were able to do by accident after many months of playing.
Ascended is ok as a long term goal you arent directly aiming for, that is how its aquisition was designed, except for fractals.
But that has changed. Now people need it in the short term to participate with their friends/groups/new shiny content.

note that you could do fractals with zero ascended, and as you got better, and repeated content you got more of what you needed to progress.

point is, dont think of how you accidently got ascended over the last 8 months, think about what you would have to do if you needed a new set in order to play with your friends, with no built up resources.
New players, returning players, people who ignored ascended are all in that boat now.

Is it cool to sit out of your friends new exciting adventures for a month, because you would hold em back?

If you would be noticably holding them back its not going to be because of gear, do your friends really not trust you over a pug with Ascended? Also if you had played with your friends who did Fractals over the last 2 years you wouldn’t be in this situation. Or if you just played over the last 3 years you would be reasonably comaprable to Ascended.

Stop making up problems that don’t exist.

do you really think everyone who they want to play this game has already been playing the game for years?
part of the reason they release and expansion is to get RETURNING PLAYERS and remarket to NEW PLAYERS and the player base specifically told many players DONT GET ASCENDED IF YOU DONT WANT TO DO FRACTALS.

you keep on myopically looking at everything from your own perspective as a guy who has been playing some what consistently for a long time, that is not everyone who they hope to market this to.

They want new players who like raids
they want old players to come back to try raids
they want people who havent tried stuff before to try it now

ascended aquisition is a large impediment to that.

And your assumption that people like to be the kitten guy in the difficult content is false. i have known many friends who quit doing something until they get the gear or level up, if they feel they are holding people back. You can tell them nah dont worry about it, but they dont feel comfortable being the gimpy guy.

lets make something clear, you will ALWAYS be more useful to your team in better gear.

Also, many of these guys arent just competing with pugs, they are competing with GUILDIES, there may be 20 other guys who want to do it, why should they put you in the group when you dont have the gear?

for real, start looking at things how they are, rather than perfect scenarios. Good design considers all the ways a system interacts with its users.

This is not about being for or against anet, this about objectively looking how the systems interact with each other and with players.

go tell your friend oh, you should have been playing the last 2 years when they are sitting out. Real ace move

You say I speak for myself but then choose to speak for Anet…

They made Raids for people that like Raids – they made endgame PvE not ‘just hit 80 stuff’ and they made it deliberately.

I was in a few Raid guilds in WoW, we were server 1st-3rd for 10man throughout Uld, ToC, ICC and all of Cata we NEVER asked a friend to sit out because of gear because we knew it was the skill of the player that mattered the most and we knew they would put the effort in to catch up (be that switching to an alt or coming back after a break). So don’t tell me about asking friends sit out… We had great success and did it with all our friends. You just don’t understand what Raids are or the people who like them – which is fine but don’t try and warp things based around YOUR insufficient experience and drive to Raid.

WotLK was easy-mode raiding when compared to TBC (pre-green stat dumbing down), and some Vanilla raids. I wouldn’t use WotLK as a supporting point for your argument since you didn’t really need to have strong gear unless you were doing 25-man hardcore runs. I, myself, took part in the WoW Raiding environment from Vanilla to Cata if you need credentials on my WoW Raid experience. Hardcore raiding doesn’t seem fun anymore since it was a full time job back then. >.>

Only WoW expansion that really required the “Hey Friend you need to sit out due to your gear not being good enough” was TBC. Guilds were helpful with the gearing process, but you couldn’t take anybody with “good” skills. They actually needed to have X stat or they’d be a detriment to the group. If I recall correctly, the Healers needed to have a minimum of +1200 healing (pre-stat dumbing down) in order to heal for a Karazhan group. If you didn’t have at a minimum +1200 healing (pre-stat dumbing down), didn’t matter how good you were as a player, your heals would not heal enough and the Tank and/or raid Members would die.

Gosh, Karazhan pre-nerf was a challenge. Melee Hate train galore with 360 degree cleave spam. After the Kara nerf and the introduction of the Tier 5 gear, Kara became super easy. Gear grind in TBC was about one to three months depending on how much time you devoted to grinding Heroic Dungeons (some were impossible till you acquired Tier 4 Gear, or certain group compositions…. Shattered Halls pre-nerf was a nightmare for a warrior), and Reputation for Epic items that may have been BiS at the time. I really missed how easy it was to educate players on whether they could handle which raid, based on just stats, not gear pieces.

Hopefully the Gear Score crowd goes away, since that was a disaster in WoW and was pointless anyway. The individual who thought it up had a good idea, but it was so easy to abuse and exploit. Players inflated their Gear Score by using PvP items and other non-beneficial (For example, a Hunter wearing Priest cloth that had higher item level) items in order to hit the targeted number Gear Score number.

As for GW2, I do feel that people have been over-reacting to the raids and everything else involved with HoT. Everyone should just take a nice deep breath and relax. We are all getting bent out of shape on speculation. Until HoT drops on the 23rd, then we can see how hard the raids really are, and if ascended gear becomes the staple requirement to enter the first wing.

On a side note, maybe A-net will avoid making different Tiers of Ascended gear, in order to avoid the gear treadmill for being able to enter each raid after the first one.

Lets wait and see how Raids go first instead of compromising the vision before they even launch, maybe?

Maybe, but waiting too long could just lead to a death spiral, where players have made up their mind that “raids are not for me” and no amount of future changes will make any difference. It’s happened before.

Ohoni.6057:

I hate to break it to you, but the contents of that room do not represent the “majority of players,” those were people that went to attend a panel at a gaming convention. That is no more a representative sampling than a political party convention floor is a representative sampling of the general members of that party. It’s also worth noting that crowd reaction is a very difficult thing to judge, you have no idea even what percentage of that crowd actually approved of those comments, just that the ones who did approve were quite noisy.

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

I hope to god that you don’t have a job that involves statistics.

Thanks god you’re not a game developer. Also do you know what statistics is?

Ohoni.6057:

Some systems aren’t for all players, this will be one of them.

But when systems aren’t for enough of the players then they go the way of the dungeons. If you like a system, it’s in your best interests to figure out a way to make it appeal to a large enough audience to keep it viable.

You don’t know if there aren’t enough players. Go get some sources.

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

. . .

That’s not how statistics work.

BaconofPigs.1683:

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

People on the LotRO forums thought they were a good sample too. Turns out they were wrong. Big time.

Hint: people that do not like raids, or will not articipate in raids are way less likely to go to any game convention. People that show up on the events like that are the very definition of the term “hardcore”.
This sample you have shown is biased so much that any person knowing anything about statistics and/or market analysis would cry if you suggested to use it as basis for anything.

Ohoni.6057:

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

. . .

That’s not how statistics work.

The only one with TRUE statistics is ANET.
Not you, not me, not any regular joe schmoe on this forum.

Anet typically makes decisions based on their statistics…. and right now, they believe this is how raids are going to be and how they will be implemented and how they will handle the rewards.

Can that change in the future? absolutely, but not until they get enough REAL statistics on raids, which won’t happen until they release it and let players have at them for a while to get enough data….

So if you are seriously hoping that anet is going to change in the next 2 weeks, what they have been working on for nearly a year to fit your agenda, you are seriously mistaken.

They won’t change anything without meaningful data, which neither party (you or me) have.

You can’t make any real meaningful, statistical, factual claim that “masses” of people will be quitting because the current raid system is bad and anet is going down the wrong path…. you have no basis other than your own personal agenda and opinions…which is entirely meaningless. Everyone has an opinion, but you need statistics to back it up, which you clearly have none.

Astralporing.1957:

BaconofPigs.1683:

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

People on the LotRO forums thought they were a good sample too. Turns out they were wrong. Big time.

Hint: people that do not like raids, or will not articipate in raids are way less likely to go to any game convention. People that show up on the events like that are the very definition of the term “hardcore”.
This sample you have shown is biased so much that any person knowing anything about statistics and/or market analysis would cry if you suggested to use it as basis for anything.

Only ArenaNet knows the true statistics and they responded to player driven statistics. You know what that means? If they have designed raids (which took months of research and almost a year to implement) and will continue to do so, that means the majority of the player base approved of it.

BaconofPigs.1683:

Astralporing.1957:

BaconofPigs.1683:

And you don’t even have a sample to prove otherwise. This one is good enough.

People on the LotRO forums thought they were a good sample too. Turns out they were wrong. Big time.

Hint: people that do not like raids, or will not articipate in raids are way less likely to go to any game convention. People that show up on the events like that are the very definition of the term “hardcore”.
This sample you have shown is biased so much that any person knowing anything about statistics and/or market analysis would cry if you suggested to use it as basis for anything.

Only ArenaNet knows the true statistics and they responded to player driven statistics. You know what that means? If they have designed raids (which took months of research and almost a year to implement) and will continue to do so, that means the majority of the player base approved of it.

Most likely they’re taking a gamble that it’ll work in an effort to pick up some purchases from a market segment they really haven’t reached before.

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-Fans waited 10+ years for Chinese Democracy from Guns n Roses. It quickly became a tripwire for everyone involved when you think that it came from a band who sold millions of CDS in the 90s.
-Goldman and Sachs banked on the US government to cover them up for the blunders they made and their blatant lying to the common man on the street. People working there found themselves at the unemployment office quickly.

As you can see from various examples, some companies like Apple or Microsoft are succesful despite being themselves, and some proiducts like VR glasses are technically superior bot nobody wants them. Marketing is not a science like mathematics, it involves much handweaving an educated guesses and with lots of potential blunders. Just think of Tiger Woods, the companies sponsoring him could not move away fast enough from the guy and lost wagonloads of money from it in a meekly attempt to keep the damage small.

Anet typically makes decisions based on their statistics…. and right now, they believe this is how raids are going to be and how they will be implemented and how they will handle the rewards.

They’re going to give it a shot. That doesn’t mean that they’re right, they’ve been wrong about numerous things in the past, and if it turns out that they’re wrong about this, then they will change their minds. I’m certainly not expecting much change before HoT’s launch, all I hope at this point is that they’ve been having the discussions and brainstorming necessary to make changes as soon as possible after launch, or at least to announce that changes are in the works.