Guild Wars 2

It’s not MY definition. It’s the common definition used and understood by most gamers and it’s what Anet used.

xarallei.4279:

It’s not MY definition.

I didn’t say it was your definition. I’m saying that you’re acting like your personal experience is what dictates fact and that’s not how the world works.

You’re really giving off the impression that you’re one of those people who thinks WoW was the first MMO and everything follows from WoW.

No, it wasn’t the first MMO. But it did have a huge and very undeniable impact on mmos.

Look I understand that GW2 is a bit of an unusual game. Legendaries have free stat swapping. Ascended has stat swapping, but you need to pay for it. But in this case, so long as runes are such a huge thing and cannot be switched freely it means that the legendary stat swapping is just not all that useful a feature at all. It’s just never going to be a requirement for raiding. To be honest, even if it did have free rune swapping it STILL would probably not be a requirement for raids. It would just be something convenient to have. Two ascended sets would still be equal to that.

The bottom line is im severally disabled including being registered legally blind,This game gave me a lot of pleasure for a long time and i spent a lot of real money to get the stuff i got.I thought maybe £3000+ was enough to keep the best gear,seems i was wrong.Il spend what it takes to get in groups that get me the new bis probably another£1000.
This has turned into one hell of an expensive distraction from life.Whats next mythic armor next year.Spending money for whatever reason on this game seems to be shunned and frowned upon in these forums.strange in a game with a gem to gold currency converter.I tend to think most folk hide there spending due to the reactions like what i have had.thank god im long past caring what strangers on a forum say they think of me.

I don’t think most people care about who buys what in the gem shop. I myself have bought plenty of skins and minis in the shop. What people don’t like is the ability to “buy prestige.” A prestige item should remain a prestige item and should not be purchasable with money. This is especially true when it comes to raiding rewards. I think if Anet releases the legendary armor through a non-raiding collection many raiders will be very upset. Personally, I’m ok with them releasing legendary armor through a non raiding in-game method. The best compromise would probably be to release it with a different skin through a collection in game.

They allow the selling of raids,and dungeons and fractals so how does what your saying about prestige make any sense? do you not see the financial profit that is there for anet buy allowing the sale of rewards locked behind this kind of content.and how is this different from buying it.I got one raid boss already 250g and will wait till gorseval price comes down to around the same.

Rather than just use the BiS term by itself, include whether you’re referring to stats alone or any additional functionality. It beats arguing over the definition.

The selling of raids/dungeons is terrible. It always has been. But there is little Anet can do to control something like that. Unlike something like say…making something BoA instead of BoE, which is what they did with the current set of legendaries. That’s much easier for them to control. Anet outright said that the prestige was not there with the prior legendaries because they could be bought, that’s why they made the new ones BoA.

On a different note, if you tried the first boss how did you like it? If you keep trying who knows maybe you’ll start having fun and actually just want to raid more often just for the hell of it.

xarallei.4279:

No, it wasn’t the first MMO. But it did have a huge and very undeniable impact on mmos.

Look I understand that GW2 is a bit of an unusual game. Legendaries have free stat swapping. Ascended has stat swapping, but you need to pay for it. But in this case, so long as runes are such a huge thing and cannot be switched freely it means that the legendary stat swapping is just not all that useful a feature at all. It’s just never going to be a requirement for raiding. To be honest, even if it did have free rune swapping it STILL would probably not be a requirement for raids. It would just be something convenient to have. Two ascended sets would still be equal to that.

In that, I will agree with you.

eldrin.6471:

The bottom line is im severally disabled including being registered legally blind,This game gave me a lot of pleasure for a long time and i spent a lot of real money to get the stuff i got.I thought maybe £3000+ was enough to keep the best gear,seems i was wrong.Il spend what it takes to get in groups that get me the new bis probably another£1000.
This has turned into one hell of an expensive distraction from life.Whats next mythic armor next year.Spending money for whatever reason on this game seems to be shunned and frowned upon in these forums.strange in a game with a gem to gold currency converter.I tend to think most folk hide there spending due to the reactions like what i have had.thank god im long past caring what strangers on a forum say they think of me.

Sorry to hear that man. I have a brother who has been legally blind since the age of 9. I can’t imagine him trying to play a game with as many complex visuals as GW2 in the first place. I imagine it’s not an easy feat.

Either way, I understand the feeling about expenses. I have had similar feelings since the expansion, but I will save the time in restating them since I’ve probably voiced them a hundred different ways already. :P

lol do you even read what i say? im registered legally blind in the uk.no i did not enjoy the raid as i could not see anything but a blurr.I would probably have loved raids a couple of years back before the sight loss.I do what i can with what i got.

But then how do you even play the game at all? I’m not being snarky here, I genuinely want to know. I have a hard time seeing how you can enjoy the game at all if it’s really that bad. I’m sorry things are that tough for you and like I said, I do actually hope Anet hears you out and adds a non-raiding method for acquiring legendary armor. I just can’t agree with you on the buying it with money part.

eldrin.6471:

They allow the selling of raids,and dungeons and fractals so how does what your saying about prestige make any sense? do you not see the financial profit that is there for anet buy allowing the sale of rewards locked behind this kind of content.and how is this different from buying it.I got one raid boss already 250g and will wait till gorseval price comes down to around the same.

After reading the entire length of this forum thread, I am aware (as you’ve mentioned it more than a couple of times) that you have Asperger Syndrome, some may not understand what it’s all about.

So for everyone’s reference, here’s a quick description:

Someone with Asperger syndrome might initiate conversations with others by extensively relating facts related to a particular topic of interest. He or she may resist discussing anything else and have difficulty allowing others to speak. Often, they don’t notice that others are no longer listening or are uncomfortable with the topic. They may lack the ability to “see things” from the other person’s perspective.

Another common symptom is an inability to understand the intent behind another person’s actions, words and behaviors. So children and adults affected by Asperger syndrome may miss humor and other implications. Similarly, they may not instinctually respond to such “universal” nonverbal cues such as a smile, frown or “come here” motion.

For these reasons, social interactions can seem confusing and overwhelming to individuals with Asperger syndrome. Difficulties in seeing things from another person’s perspective can make it extremely difficult to predict or understand the actions of others. They may not pick up on what is or isn’t appropriate in a particular situation.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/asperger-syndrome

With that out of the way, the important things to take note of are:

1. No reason for anyone here to be discussing anything at all because Eldrin has difficulty in seeing things from another person’s perspective. Forums are made to allow others to comment, share and discuss. By that, being able to see the other person(s) perspective is very important.
2. Eldrin has made some remarks about they way this game was launched and managed. How certain portion of its contents were being delivered to the masses – concerning gear and raid rewards.

Now, I’m not intending to poke fun at the disability of others but here are some facts you mentioned earlier in the days:

eldrin.6471:

There’s a lot of people siting on a lot of gold.I saved up 11k just for legendary armor just to find out im locked out of getting it as it behind raids.And im not one of the chosen few in a guild running raids.Seems crazy to lock the vast majority of players out of legendary armor.

You have a large amount of gold sitting there. #justsaying

eldrin.6471:

i play a warrior with 2 sets ascended Armour 2 legendary that i crafted but payed for the mats and fully upgrade bank and inventory .plus various skins off the gem store and around 12k gold.now i was promised just before the launch of hot that my best in slot gear would always be the best in slot gear.that was a downright lie since they added a new armor tier LEGENDARY.And locked it behind a wall they know full well most players wont be able to get past.

Over the last few days, your gold amount has increased by 1k! My rough guess is you are constantly converting gems to gold, even as we are having this conversation here. Reading your sheer unhappiness about how the game has turned out since launched is regrettably sad for me. One thing is for sure though: it seems that you are more likely to stick around GW2 in months to come, or I could be wrong.

You’ve managed to attain 163 mastery level as of today – which means that you have been doing alot of hours in-game ever since the start of HoT. This also means that you have cleared, at the very least, Vale Guardian in Spirit Vale. Good job on that!

Yup! I would agree Anet did lie to you about the new armor tier, if I were to see it from your perspective that is… While there isn’t a need for Legendary armour sets now, I would advise you continue doing what you have been doing in the last few weeks – to start your Legendary journey of collecting item/trophies from both the raids and the open world.

No one is stopping anyone from deploying any method of achieving these rewards. I would strongly recommend you maintain the upkeep of gem conversion so that you can keep up with the 99.99% of players, who are tediously wrecking their eyeballs and fingers just attempting to down VG and Gorseval.

eldrin.6471:

You find every thing anyone says that dont agree with you ignorant dont you xarallei?
you do understand what a forum is dont you?Its were we discus things,not were you ram your opinions down our throats or harass other members into not posting about things they feel strongly about.

We all have to agree to disagree.

eldrin.6471:

They allow the selling of raids,and dungeons and fractals so how does what your saying about prestige make any sense? do you not see the financial profit that is there for anet buy allowing the sale of rewards locked behind this kind of content.and how is this different from buying it.I got one raid boss already 250g and will wait till gorseval price comes down to around the same.

You got it! Exactly what I was trying to explain earlier on. Keep up the good effort!

eldrin.6471:

lol do you even read what i say? im registered legally blind in the uk.no i did not enjoy the raid as i could not see anything but a blurr.I would probably have loved raids a couple of years back before the sight loss.I do what i can with what i got.

I’m sorry to hear this. I’m afraid there isn’t anything within Anet and us players to help you out here. Not being able to enjoy raids, as for it being blur is a serious thing and I’m with you on this.

Moral of the story: Conversation is over. We are done here.

eldrin.6471:

lol do you even read what i say? im registered legally blind in the uk.no i did not enjoy the raid as i could not see anything but a blurr.I would probably have loved raids a couple of years back before the sight loss.I do what i can with what i got.

So you can’t do raids and you’re complaining it’s hard to get Legendary gear and your Ascended gear is obsolete because of a set of gear that performs at the same level? OK, well, even if that makes sense to you, you got 11K G sitting there that you intended to just buy your way to Legendary gear in the first place. Just use it and buy your lootrights from a raid where you were carried. Voila, Legendary armor that you have no need for.

All I say now is Good luck and I apologize, I can be a little overzealous to prove if something is wrong. If you need help with Raid collections, find me and I help if I can.

NewTrain.7549
I should be able to win an Olympic gold medal without ever going to Olympics. It’s not fair that I’m not athletic enough. The Olympics alienates me by making gold medals exclusive to winners of events. I should be able to pay 3000 of whatever currency I want and be able to get an Olympic gold medal.

Lol, I think you can. At least one of those cats must be hooked on pain killers and looking to pawn

For all the complainers, ask yourself “How bad do I want it?”

Any goal in life is really that simple.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

For all the complainers, ask yourself “How bad do I want it?”

Any goal in life is really that simple.

I think the better question to ask yourself is "is getting one skin worth sacrificing my free time to do boring, unfun and tedious grinding for 4+ hours every night for months on end when I could be having actual fun playing Fallout4, MGS:V, Tomb Raider, FIFA, etc… instead.

Especially now with the next Steam Sale around the corner I´d rather play new games than spend my nights chest farming, TP flipping and chopping wood in GW2. Because let´s face it that´s all there is left to do. Doing anything else in the game is extremely unrewarding.

DresdenAllblack.1249:

NewTrain.7549
I should be able to win an Olympic gold medal without ever going to Olympics. It’s not fair that I’m not athletic enough. The Olympics alienates me by making gold medals exclusive to winners of events. I should be able to pay 3000 of whatever currency I want and be able to get an Olympic gold medal.

Lol, I think you can. At least one of those cats must be hooked on pain killers and looking to pawn

Your comparing a game to the Olympics?get a grip its entertainment or rather is meant to be.Anet are about making money and sell us the use of a product.
They have started the very gear treadmill they always said they were against.exotic to ascended then its on to legendary armor. then next year its mythic or whatever.the point is they changed there philosophy and changed the game for the worse.if you have issues with people buying there gear instead of good old fashioned wasting hours on the pc grinding. take it up with the sellers anet.

eldrin.6471:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

NewTrain.7549
I should be able to win an Olympic gold medal without ever going to Olympics. It’s not fair that I’m not athletic enough. The Olympics alienates me by making gold medals exclusive to winners of events. I should be able to pay 3000 of whatever currency I want and be able to get an Olympic gold medal.

Lol, I think you can. At least one of those cats must be hooked on pain killers and looking to pawn

Your comparing a game to the Olympics?get a grip its entertainment or rather is meant to be.Anet are about making money and sell us the use of a product.
They have started the very gear treadmill they always said they were against.exotic to ascended then its on to legendary armor. then next year its mythic or whatever.the point is they changed there philosophy and changed the game for the worse.if you have issues with people buying there gear instead of good old fashioned wasting hours on the pc grinding. take it up with the sellers anet.

Shame you still see it that way…By your view, they started even when Ascended was nowhere.

You just dont get it do you. they will sell us the same thing over and over and over without end.But then you get the ones come on here and claim its like cheating paying to enhance your entertainment cos they think its better to waste real time instead of money.some people got more of the one to wast than the other.Like any consumer product its about cash.And when any company sells me a product they claim will be the best,then turn round after taking my money and sell/release something better then im going to complain as load and as often as i can.This is a consumer product nothing more.there e sport agenda dont make the people playing there game any kind of athlete.

ChrizZcE.5981:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

For all the complainers, ask yourself “How bad do I want it?”

Any goal in life is really that simple.

I think the better question to ask yourself is "is getting one skin worth sacrificing my free time to do boring, unfun and tedious grinding for 4+ hours every night for months on end when I could be having actual fun playing Fallout4, MGS:V, Tomb Raider, FIFA, etc… instead.

For some people it is worth it but better question is: If it’s not worth it, what are those people still doing in GW2 and why haven’t they moved on to more fun things? Sounds to me like people have convinced themselves of something that they might not believe is true.

Obtena.7952:

ChrizZcE.5981:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

For all the complainers, ask yourself “How bad do I want it?”

Any goal in life is really that simple.

I think the better question to ask yourself is "is getting one skin worth sacrificing my free time to do boring, unfun and tedious grinding for 4+ hours every night for months on end when I could be having actual fun playing Fallout4, MGS:V, Tomb Raider, FIFA, etc… instead.

For some people it is worth it but better question is: If it’s not worth it, what are those people still doing in GW2 and why haven’t they moved on to more fun things? Sounds to me like people have convinced themselves of something that they might not believe is true.

It´s not an all or nothing thing. I´m sure since the release of HoT many people just log in once a day for the log in rewards and then log off to play other games. As of right now there is nothing fun and rewarding to do in the game.

All the fun stuff is locked behind skill lvl that at the moment is doable by 5% of there player base/customers.what sort of idiotic company locks the vast majority of there customers out of anything?We have other games to move on to,do anet have access to new customers.Good luck keeping this company and game supported with ftp.
The skilled need there challenge and the rest need there nose rubbed in it(legendary armor)

ChrizZcE.5981:

Obtena.7952:

ChrizZcE.5981:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

For all the complainers, ask yourself “How bad do I want it?”

Any goal in life is really that simple.

I think the better question to ask yourself is "is getting one skin worth sacrificing my free time to do boring, unfun and tedious grinding for 4+ hours every night for months on end when I could be having actual fun playing Fallout4, MGS:V, Tomb Raider, FIFA, etc… instead.

For some people it is worth it but better question is: If it’s not worth it, what are those people still doing in GW2 and why haven’t they moved on to more fun things? Sounds to me like people have convinced themselves of something that they might not believe is true.

It´s not an all or nothing thing. I´m sure since the release of HoT many people just log in once a day for the log in rewards and then log off to play other games. As of right now there is nothing fun and rewarding to do in the game.

No that’s true but the message doesn’t change. All things you don’t like are weighed against all the things you do. The sad part is when people that have overwhelming bad things haven’t figured out they should move on.

eldrin.6471:

All the fun stuff is locked behind skill lvl that at the moment is doable by 5% of there player base/customers.what sort of idiotic company locks the vast majority of there customers out of anything?We have other games to move on to,do anet have access to new customers.Good luck keeping this company and game supported with ftp.
The skilled need there challenge and the rest need there nose rubbed in it(legendary armor)

I won’t argue with you about what you find fun but speaking in absolutes that only %5 of stuff is fun and it’s locked behind stuff keeping out the vast majority of customers is just sensational nonsense. Everyone has access to the raid … the ability to be successful doing it is dependent on the 10 people doing it.

eldrin.6471:

DresdenAllblack.1249:

NewTrain.7549
I should be able to win an Olympic gold medal without ever going to Olympics. It’s not fair that I’m not athletic enough. The Olympics alienates me by making gold medals exclusive to winners of events. I should be able to pay 3000 of whatever currency I want and be able to get an Olympic gold medal.

Lol, I think you can. At least one of those cats must be hooked on pain killers and looking to pawn

Your comparing a game to the Olympics?get a grip its entertainment or rather is meant to be.Anet are about making money and sell us the use of a product.
They have started the very gear treadmill they always said they were against.exotic to ascended then its on to legendary armor. then next year its mythic or whatever.the point is they changed there philosophy and changed the game for the worse.if you have issues with people buying there gear instead of good old fashioned wasting hours on the pc grinding. take it up with the sellers anet.

It’s a satirical metaphor for your own complaint on the issue. One that I purposefully crafted to be near identical to your post. I understand that video games and the Olympics are not nearly at the same level of competition or effort, that isn’t the point. The point it that it’s ridiculous to feel that you’re entitled to earn something others have worked hard to obtain simply because you have disposable income.

Also based on the tone of your posts, it’s a bit hypocritical to tell anyone else in this thread to “get a grip”.

well we got legendary weapon its better to get also legendary armor if u can craft it like same procedure of a ,like you need Ascended Gearr to craft it and same material on legendary weapon. and also if think some people run hard for legendary but the stat are same as ascended

eldrin.6471:

All the fun stuff is locked behind skill lvl that at the moment is doable by 5% of there player base/customers.what sort of idiotic company locks the vast majority of there customers out of anything?We have other games to move on to,do anet have access to new customers.Good luck keeping this company and game supported with ftp.
The skilled need there challenge and the rest need there nose rubbed in it(legendary armor)

Ok, you can’t raid. That’s all fine. But tell me. If you could, what would you do for an armor, that you WON’T have to change EVER in this game?
Spamming autoattack in a corner is definitely not challenging group content and that’s how raids were advertised and they told Legendary armor will come with raids in a blog post.
Edit.:Nope,sorry, last part wrong it wasn’t in the blog post, my mistake.

Ok once again, Anet where are you? Why will you not show what the legendary armor looks like? The hell is going on. You show HoT legendary weapons yet not armor, and raids are a big part of HoT.

Tony.8659:

Ok once again, Anet where are you? Why will you not show what the legendary armor looks like? The hell is going on. You show HoT legendary weapons yet not armor, and raids are a big part of HoT.

They showed 3, because they were almost done and really close to being released. Legendary armor likely won’t be completable for many, many months, and they aren’t saying anything about the other weapons.

what I don’t understand is why they lock items behind specific content? There are plenty of people who primarily only PvP or WvW. Why is there not track to acquire said items in those game modes?

Also, why do people care whether someone wants an easier time to get an item? Their game play (much like yours), should not be of a concern to anybody but you. Someone mentioned that raiders might be upset if Anet released other means to get raid gear. Why would they? If they have the time to fret and be angry over such a thing, funnel your energy into something more positive like world hunger. Don’t complain about things that are of absolutely no concern to you.

Play how you want to play was it? No grind was it? Fine, then let all items in the game be acquired by non-grindy ways. Those who like to and want to grind, fine, let those people have an option doing the same thing over and over again months to get the item. For others whom don’t want or don’t have time, give them an option to do so. Grinders don’t complain about the rest, and the rest don’t complain about the grinders. Don’t step on my toes, I won’t step on your toes.

Simple.

After all the bugs and overall BS I experienced making Astralaria, if Legendary Armor forces me to do Raids, and has time-gates, I’m just not even going to bother.

I’m sick and tired of doing things I don’t want to do, just to get something I want. I remember when Anet said from the very beginning they want us to ‘play how you want’. Well, I like WvW and EOTM, but they won’t allow us to obtain Legendary Armor via the game modes we each individually like, are they? :-( because that would be fair for everyone… and they can’t have that!

If Legendary Armor requires Raids, that means you’re forcing me to do things I don’t want to do, and not play how I want. At least give us alternatives, it isn’t that hard.

It was annoying enough for me to have to do those horrible fractals for Astralaria, but Raids is just hell-to-the-no. I’m not an experienced player, and judging by all the lfg’s, unless you know exactly what to do, you can’t just ‘pug’ it, which makes legendary armor only for the elite that can do raids. How is that fair, Anet?

Zaoda.1653:

After all the bugs and overall BS I experienced making Astralaria, if Legendary Armor forces me to do Raids, and has time-gates, I’m just not even going to bother.

I’m sick and tired of doing things I don’t want to do, just to get something I want. I remember when Anet said from the very beginning they want us to ‘play how you want’. Well, I like WvW and EOTM, but they won’t allow us to obtain Legendary Armor via the game modes we each individually like, are they? :-( because that would be fair for everyone… and they can’t have that!

If Legendary Armor requires Raids, that means you’re forcing me to do things I don’t want to do, and not play how I want. At least give us alternatives, it isn’t that hard.

It was annoying enough for me to have to do those horrible fractals for Astralaria, but Raids is just hell-to-the-no. I’m not an experienced player, and judging by all the lfg’s, unless you know exactly what to do, you can’t just ‘pug’ it, which makes legendary armor only for the elite that can do raids. How is that fair, Anet?

I wish people would stop taking “play how you want” out of context. Legendary equals ascended, ascended can be earned outside of raids, therefore you can do other things besides raids to earn “the most powerful gear”, which is what “play how you want” is referring to. It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

Phy.2913:

It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

Dungeon gear tracks have been a thing for a while now in pvp and you have been able to obtain the skins in pvp since the launch of the game.

I won’t mind other means of acquiring it, absolutely not against it, but most ppl don’t even try it and complain. Yeah, you need to experience it. Gather your friends, guilds or just create a group on LFG with that mindset, I’m sure a lot will join and after you figure it out it will be much easier.
The raid bosses are questionable and the mechanics (mostly the timer) can be attacked, yes, they are fun though. Yes, you will probably rage while doing it, it’s challenging, it’s different. That’s how it is.
It took me a while to pug down bosses, I was like “yeah, to hell with these” but it feels awesome when you do it. I definitely recommend anyone to try it out instead of just hating.
If PVE is not your thing, then just wait, other means of acquiring will probably come and be available in other game modes, at least I hope so but we didn’t even see the sets and are probably fussing about something most ppl won’t even get given how the legendary collections are now but that’s another discussion.

Substance E.4852:

Phy.2913:

It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

Dungeon gear tracks have been a thing for a while now in pvp and you have been able to obtain the skins in pvp since the launch of the game.

But then they’re forcing me to PVP!

Phy.2913:

Tony.8659:

Ok once again, Anet where are you? Why will you not show what the legendary armor looks like? The hell is going on. You show HoT legendary weapons yet not armor, and raids are a big part of HoT.

They showed 3, because they were almost done and really close to being released. Legendary armor likely won’t be completable for many, many months, and they aren’t saying anything about the other weapons.

They showed 3 legendary armor classes you mean? If so may I see a link. Video or pics?

Tony.8659:

Phy.2913:

Tony.8659:

Ok once again, Anet where are you? Why will you not show what the legendary armor looks like? The hell is going on. You show HoT legendary weapons yet not armor, and raids are a big part of HoT.

They showed 3, because they were almost done and really close to being released. Legendary armor likely won’t be completable for many, many months, and they aren’t saying anything about the other weapons.

They showed 3 legendary armor classes you mean? If so may I see a link. Video or pics?

No, they showed 3 weapons.

Phy.2913:

Zaoda.1653:

After all the bugs and overall BS I experienced making Astralaria, if Legendary Armor forces me to do Raids, and has time-gates, I’m just not even going to bother.

I’m sick and tired of doing things I don’t want to do, just to get something I want. I remember when Anet said from the very beginning they want us to ‘play how you want’. Well, I like WvW and EOTM, but they won’t allow us to obtain Legendary Armor via the game modes we each individually like, are they? :-( because that would be fair for everyone… and they can’t have that!

If Legendary Armor requires Raids, that means you’re forcing me to do things I don’t want to do, and not play how I want. At least give us alternatives, it isn’t that hard.

It was annoying enough for me to have to do those horrible fractals for Astralaria, but Raids is just hell-to-the-no. I’m not an experienced player, and judging by all the lfg’s, unless you know exactly what to do, you can’t just ‘pug’ it, which makes legendary armor only for the elite that can do raids. How is that fair, Anet?

I wish people would stop taking “play how you want” out of context. Legendary equals ascended, ascended can be earned outside of raids, therefore you can do other things besides raids to earn “the most powerful gear”, which is what “play how you want” is referring to. It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

No, play how you want is exactly that – playing the game mode YOU want to play, and working towards the content YOU want, without being forced to play game modes you don’t particularly like. I wish people would stop taking constructive criticism and suggestions out of context too, but unfortunately we don’t live in a world full of logical people.

It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

Which is why Anet aren’t doing as well as they could be, because they force people to do things they don’t want to do, rather than encouraging players to play content they like, and be rewarded for it. It’s probably not the defining factor as to why people leave, but I would say it’s at least one of the many factors that contribute to people deciding to leave.

It’s like forcing someone with social anxiety to all of a sudden be asked to make a speech in front of millions in order to get a promotion in their work, and it’s the ONLY way they’ll get a promotion. Sure said person may be able to get through it, but they won’t want to, and will probably hate the very person (or company) that forced them to do it because there was no other way to get a promotion. It’s NOT good business, and whoever it is that decides to force people to play specific content -because-its-the-only-way, is stupid and needs to be fired.

Legendary equals ascended, ascended can be earned outside of raids, therefore you can do other things besides raids to earn “the most powerful gear”, which is what “play how you want” is referring to. It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

No, I’m not talking about ascended armor, I’m talking about legendary armor. Something quite different. Furthermore, there is no other way to earn legendary armor other than being forced into playing Raids, which is NOT ‘playing how you want’.

The sad thing is, I truly can’t see Anet allowing people to make legendary armor via other game modes, because that would mean players get to play how they want, and they won’t have a bar of that. So I can’t see this ever changing. At least they did one thing right with the legendary backpieces by making them available for all 3 game modes – PvE (Ad Infinitum), WvW (apparently getting one, but i’ll believe it when I see it) and PvP (The Ascension). If only they did that for legendary armor and other things too… One can dream, anyway.

Phy.2913:

Don’t like dungeons? No dungeon armor for you.

This is a really bad example. I have tons of dungeon tokens and weapon/armor and skins and I didn’t do any dungeons to get them.

Zaoda.1653:

Phy.2913:

Zaoda.1653:

After all the bugs and overall BS I experienced making Astralaria, if Legendary Armor forces me to do Raids, and has time-gates, I’m just not even going to bother.

I’m sick and tired of doing things I don’t want to do, just to get something I want. I remember when Anet said from the very beginning they want us to ‘play how you want’. Well, I like WvW and EOTM, but they won’t allow us to obtain Legendary Armor via the game modes we each individually like, are they? :-( because that would be fair for everyone… and they can’t have that!

If Legendary Armor requires Raids, that means you’re forcing me to do things I don’t want to do, and not play how I want. At least give us alternatives, it isn’t that hard.

It was annoying enough for me to have to do those horrible fractals for Astralaria, but Raids is just hell-to-the-no. I’m not an experienced player, and judging by all the lfg’s, unless you know exactly what to do, you can’t just ‘pug’ it, which makes legendary armor only for the elite that can do raids. How is that fair, Anet?

I wish people would stop taking “play how you want” out of context. Legendary equals ascended, ascended can be earned outside of raids, therefore you can do other things besides raids to earn “the most powerful gear”, which is what “play how you want” is referring to. It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

No, play how you want is exactly that – playing the game mode YOU want to play, and working towards the content YOU want, without being forced to play game modes you don’t particularly like. I wish people would stop taking constructive criticism and suggestions out of context too, but unfortunately we don’t live in a world full of logical people.

It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

Which is why Anet aren’t doing as well as they could be, because they force people to do things they don’t want to do, rather than encouraging players to play content they like, and be rewarded for it. It’s probably not the defining factor as to why people leave, but I would say it’s at least one of the many factors that contribute to people deciding to leave.

It’s like forcing someone with social anxiety to all of a sudden be asked to make a speech in front of millions in order to get a promotion in their work, and it’s the ONLY way they’ll get a promotion. Sure said person may be able to get through it, but they won’t want to, and will probably hate the very person (or company) that forced them to do it because there was no other way to get a promotion. It’s NOT good business, and whoever it is that decides to force people to play specific content -because-its-the-only-way, is stupid and needs to be fired.

Legendary equals ascended, ascended can be earned outside of raids, therefore you can do other things besides raids to earn “the most powerful gear”, which is what “play how you want” is referring to. It’s no different than being forced to run dungeons for dungeon armor.

No, I’m not talking about ascended armor, I’m talking about legendary armor. Something quite different. Furthermore, there is no other way to earn legendary armor other than being forced into playing Raids, which is NOT ‘playing how you want’.

The sad thing is, I truly can’t see Anet allowing people to make legendary armor via other game modes, because that would mean players get to play how they want, and they won’t have a bar of that. So I can’t see this ever changing. At least they did one thing right with the legendary backpieces by making them available for all 3 game modes – PvE (Ad Infinitum), WvW (apparently getting one, but i’ll believe it when I see it) and PvP (The Ascension). If only they did that for legendary armor and other things too… One can dream, anyway.

You decide to play Guild Wars 2. As a result, you may be in a position to covet specific things which are related to Guild Wars 2. When you use the word forced, know that it is merely an illusion which is a construct of your acquisitive nature. Should you recognize this characteristic, and overcome it, you will have the freedom you desire.

You might not understand what I’m talking about, so I will put it like this: You’re not being forced to do anything. You see a shiny object, and you want it. You’re not forced to want it. You’re also not forced to try to obtain it. The only reason you feel forced is, because you’re being pressed by greed. It’s not my intention to judge you harshly, I simply wish to inspire growth. Unfortunately, there’s not much of a demand for unsolicited advice, so I expect this to fall on def ears.

After paying to get the raid boss kills 3×400g i find just the first part of the legendary armour will need at least 15 more trips to finish 15×400g thats for 10 ectoplasmic residue and 5 spirit shards. thats over 7k gold for 1/3 of the collection. Do not kid yourself that this is not intended.It is just a new all time low from this greedy company. Various disability i will not bring up again prevent me doing raids myself.They want to set the difficulty bar that high that only a few can do it then the price for the run is going to match.

eldrin.6471:

After paying to get the raid boss kills 3×400g i find just the first part of the legendary armour will need at least 15 more trips to finish 15×400g thats for 10 ectoplasmic residue and 5 spirit shards. thats over 7k gold for 1/3 of the collection. Do not kid yourself that this is not intended.It is just a new all time low from this greedy company. Various disability i will not bring up again prevent me doing raids myself.They want to set the difficulty bar that high that only a few can do it then the price for the run is going to match.

Whatever…

eldrin.6471:

After paying to get the raid boss kills 3×400g i find just the first part of the legendary armour will need at least 15 more trips to finish 15×400g thats for 10 ectoplasmic residue and 5 spirit shards. thats over 7k gold for 1/3 of the collection. Do not kid yourself that this is not intended.It is just a new all time low from this greedy company. Various disability i will not bring up again prevent me doing raids myself.They want to set the difficulty bar that high that only a few can do it then the price for the run is going to match.

then don’t get the armour… problem solved, it will not ever effect your ability to play the game

Il get that legendary armor no matter what it costs.id respect anet more if they just sold it rather than this dishonest crap.then next year its mythic lol.And so it will go on now that the gear treadmill they claimed to be against has started.I took there bait and now im caught and maybe il struggle a bit as they real me in and bleed me dry.It should not be possible to enter an instance that you did not participate in and get the reward and if it is then its made that way for a reason.gems to gold

eldrin.6471:

After paying to get the raid boss kills 3×400g i find just the first part of the legendary armour will need at least 15 more trips to finish 15×400g thats for 10 ectoplasmic residue and 5 spirit shards. thats over 7k gold for 1/3 of the collection. Do not kid yourself that this is not intended.It is just a new all time low from this greedy company. Various disability i will not bring up again prevent me doing raids myself.They want to set the difficulty bar that high that only a few can do it then the price for the run is going to match.

You can’t do the raids because of a limitation; that does not make Anet greedy. I hate to do it but … you’re not entitled to stuff because of your limitation, no more so than anyone else is. In fact, I think it’s safe to say that many players are limited in some way to play the game to get the things they want; hence, why getting things you want is a rewarding approach to an MMO. You should be so lucky most of this game allows you to be able to achieve what you have if you’re limitations are as severe as you mention.

You have only been disrespectful; Anet is not greedy or dishonest or any of the other things you say, just because you are finding it difficult to ‘outgame the system’ to buy your way to a set of Legendary Armor, which is CERTAINLY not intended. And the reason they do that is exactly to combat the thing you accuse them of: Gem to gold sales.

leaving a back door open that allows players to be charged 400g or around £30 for ten mins work is greed and its by anets design.And i suggest it is clearly intended.Ibuy gems and change them to gold to pay these prices,who is making the profit?Then they make it so i need do it 18 times to be 1/3 through the collection.working as intended.

There is no backdoor … the return for that expenditure for what it gives you is exceedingly low, prohibitively so … enough so to make only the most stubborn person ignore it. Only someone who cares little about their money would take that route. It’s very ironic your statement about Anet’s ‘greed’; it’s actually a player’s greed that would find them spending 30 pounds on a single piece of non-performance enhancing armor. If someone is eccentric and crazy enough to do that, you think that’s Anet’s fault? That just shows a lack of responsibility.

Selling products to customers does not make a company greedy. If they directly sold Legendary armor in Gemstore, only then would you be able to accuse Anet of being greedy IMO.

You can accuse Anet of greed or whatever, but this game isn’t philanthropy for limited people to feel good about getting BiS gear because they want it and it never was intended to be. That’s not a mature view of this game and of the world in general. Many examples already provided in this thread to demonstrate this to you.

The fact is that the game is designed in a way to exactly prevent that by allowing limited people to get gear that’s equivalent in performance with reasonable effort to compete with those that aren’t limited and do obtain BiS. Of course, when you have an agenda, you don’t see that as we have already seen you dismiss that fact in this thread many times.

anets return on £85 for 8k gems is exceedingly low? oh my god they dont actually go out and mine real gems do they? the money is real the gems are not.you do see the difference dont you.or is there something im missing?

eldrin.6471:

anets return on £85 for 8k gems is exceedingly low? oh my god they dont actually go out and mine real gems do they? the money is real the gems are not.you do see the difference dont you.or is there something im missing?

You misunderstand what I said. A player getting one piece of non-performance enhancing armor is an exceedingly low return on a 30 pound expenditure.

The only thing your missing is the idea that people should take responsibility for their spending decisions instead of blaming companies for selling products and services for
being greedy. I mean, the difficulty (and hence the cost) of getting a Legendary Armor set is about as strong a deterrent as Anet can provide for anyone with anything but the person with deep pockets. How much more of a incentive do you need to NOT spend your money this way?