Guild Wars 2

These are my problems with mesmer and the lack of counter play to it:

1, They can spike out of stealth all the time = no counter play
2, They apply a ton of conditions, do massive damage and strip boons
3, They do too much spam damage from long ranged with the greatsword
4, Blurred frenzy cd is too short meaning they have too much invulnerability
5, They can port around like clowns and get you down when you cant hit the fools
6, They get so many procs like fire and air sigil
7, Portal is a game chaning utility
8, Moa morph is not fun in any way whatsoever
9, Cancel cast on greatsword is a cheat and an exploit and those exploting it should be banned
10, The damage it too high and too repeatable. They shouldn’t be able to spike for so much so often. I would increase the cd of shatter by 50%

Then we have some balance. Mesmer is game warping and OP as anything else. Just because thieves kill them, like they kill everything, does not make such high damage with ZERO COUNTERPLAY ok.

Please make the change and improve the game.

this faar i had a hope that your posts are rather troll. but day to day… im losing that hope o.O

Lordrosicky.5813:

9, Cancel cast on greatsword is a cheat and an exploit and those exploting it should be banned

this made me lough loud man! thx

My favorite was the air and fire sigils. Because yeah, that’s only mesmers and deserves to be singled out.

Your title says “quickly becoming the most OP class”

How is it “quickly” becoming that when balance changes happen at a glacial pace?

Out of all statements, I like the title the best.

‘’Mesmer is quickly becoming the most OP class’’

Quickly, as in last buff for mesmer was months, if not years ago.

“2, They apply a ton of conditions, do massive damage and strip boons”

Mesmer can’t do crazy damage and insane condi.
So condi clear > condi (i think like vs all class playing condi but i’m maybe wrong)
Dodge,los > damage (and you can dodge attacks applying condi too, that’s awesome)

“3, They do too much spam damage from long ranged with the greatsword”

So do not stay at range=_=

“4, Blurred frenzy cd is too short meaning they have too much invulnerability”
9s 1/2 if traited, for 2s blur (so retaliation work), and you can’t move.
20% uptime “invulnerability” (like you said)

“6, They get so many procs like fire and air sigil”
Well i think sigil cd is the same for everybody so where is your source?

“8, Moa morph is not fun in any way whatsoever”
Moa can be block, blind, dodge, so what else? ah yes easilly spotted during casting time.

“10, The damage it too high and too repeatable. They shouldn’t be able to spike for so much so often. I would increase the cd of shatter by 50%”

10s for MW, it hurt if you get hit, but shatter are easy to dodge, you can see it coming.
After that you need to have 3 illusion up for the next shatter (illusion which are one shot).

PS: “v” by defaults on keyboard is for dodging.
PS2: you made my day.

Reborn D.2769:

“2, They apply a ton of conditions, do massive damage and strip boons”

Mesmer can’t do crazy damage and insane condi.
So condi clear > condi (i think like vs all class playing condi but i’m maybe wrong)
Dodge,los > damage (and you can dodge attacks applying condi too, that’s awesome)

“3, They do too much spam damage from long ranged with the greatsword”

So do not stay at range=_=

“4, Blurred frenzy cd is too short meaning they have too much invulnerability”
9s 1/2 if traited, for 2s blur (so retaliation work), and you can’t move.
20% uptime “invulnerability” (like you said)

“6, They get so many procs like fire and air sigil”
Well i think sigil cd is the same for everybody so where is your source?

“8, Moa morph is not fun in any way whatsoever”
Moa can be block, blind, dodge, so what else? ah yes easilly spotted during casting time.

“10, The damage it too high and too repeatable. They shouldn’t be able to spike for so much so often. I would increase the cd of shatter by 50%”

10s for MW, it hurt if you get hit, but shatter are easy to dodge, you can see it coming.
After that you need to have 3 illusion up for the next shatter (illusion which are one shot).

PS: “v” by defaults on keyboard is for dodging.
PS2: you made my day.

8) Moa can be used from stealth..just saying

Lordrosicky.5813:

Just because thieves kill them, like they kill everything, does not make such high damage with ZERO COUNTERPLAY ok.

I’ll join because of that

Yes mesmer GS is the most broken weapon in the game. One of the few ranged weapons that is not a projectile on autoatck. Has unblockable skills on a very short cd.

Oh dear Henry xDudisx is agreeing with you – time to think about your life choices.

And Charles Kennedy died

Coulter.2315:

Oh dear Henry xDudisx is agreeing with you – time to think about your life choices.

And Charles Kennedy died

Yeh shame, he was a good man.

Here we go again. Henry complaining about everything but condi necro. I see not much changed on the forums during the past two years.

you’ve seen nothing so far. what you think is op now will be overshadowed by the abominations of thieves and mesmers when the trait update and the elite specialisations go live.

More evidence that people dont actually play the game and just troll the forums smh

Jekkt.6045:

you’ve seen nothing so far. what you think is op now will be overshadowed by the abominations of thieves and mesmers when the trait update and the elite specialisations go live.

I know. it will get worse. Mesmers are so OP, soon to be even more OP

Excuse me. My main is a mesmer an it took me a long time to master that class and be effective. Have you possibly considered that the few mesmers that play are actually just good at their class. If im so good that I can counter most if not all classes does that make me OP? I’m kitten by this comment!

Mesmers goes either way. & it’s bin said before to. either sucks.. like really sucks in bad hands. Or really really op in great hands. No in between. & you got to master it.

Every class is broken to someone, somewhere, somehow.

Lordrosicky.5813:

5, They can port around like clowns and get you down when you cant hit the fools

you got a gift bud. keep it up

Sagat.3285:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Just because thieves kill them, like they kill everything, does not make such high damage with ZERO COUNTERPLAY ok.

I’ll join because of that

The rock paper scissor comparison only works when their numbers are the same. In a game where there are 6 papers, 1 scissor and 1 rock, the scissor is indeed overpowered.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Mesmer is game warping and OP as anything else.

If it’s OP as anything else, then it’s balanced with everything else >.>

xDudisx.5914:

Sagat.3285:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Just because thieves kill them, like they kill everything, does not make such high damage with ZERO COUNTERPLAY ok.

I’ll join because of that

The rock paper scissor comparison only works when their numbers are the same. In a game where there are 6 papers, 1 scissor and 1 rock, the scissor is indeed overpowered.

Oh man do MoTD mesmers fear thieves just like condition or cele war, even more condi engi.

Who said the papers were of the same kind?

Lordrosicky.5813:

These are my problems with mesmer and the lack of counter play to it:

1, They can spike out of stealth all the time = no counter play
2, They apply a ton of conditions, do massive damage and strip boons
3, They do too much spam damage from long ranged with the greatsword
4, Blurred frenzy cd is too short meaning they have too much invulnerability
5, They can port around like clowns and get you down when you cant hit the fools
6, They get so many procs like fire and air sigil
7, Portal is a game chaning utility
8, Moa morph is not fun in any way whatsoever
9, Cancel cast on greatsword is a cheat and an exploit and those exploting it should be banned
10, The damage it too high and too repeatable. They shouldn’t be able to spike for so much so often. I would increase the cd of shatter by 50%

Then we have some balance. Mesmer is game warping and OP as anything else. Just because thieves kill them, like they kill everything, does not make such high damage with ZERO COUNTERPLAY ok.

Please make the change and improve the game.

1) our stealths are like 3 or 5 seconds, you telling me you cannot count to 3 and counter play by counter stealth/blocks/positioning? its not like we have thief lik access to 10+ sec stealths

2)TONS of conditions? Shatter mesmr(the most common) applies vun and confusion, thats 2, maybe 3

3)Its not GS dmg, its fire/air procs, which are not just a mesmer issue

4)………. you know what i cant even be bothered. This stinks of L2P. Mesmers are only strong under skilled players. And if you play at any decent level you would know they are NOT favourable due to the huge amount of coordination, team support needed and skill to counter play all the med guards/thieves around.

@OP, your post is more or less full of nonsense.
However I would agree with 9. Abusing bugs is abusing bugs, no excuses.

Coulter.2315:

Oh dear Henry xDudisx is agreeing with you – time to think about your life choices.

And Charles Kennedy died

i’ve been wanting to ask you this for a long long long time but…are you anne coulter? coz omigharrd i love your books and interviews and pic of you with a shotgun and crapp. can i have an autograph? also your botox administrator does an amazing job. you’re like 65 but look 35. omigharrd im so star struck.

Troll or not. Take the OP seriously at your own risk.

xDudisx.5914:

Yes mesmer GS is the most broken weapon in the game. One of the few ranged weapons that is not a projectile on autoatck. Has unblockable skills on a very short cd.

That’s probably why mesmers in the past always used staff-sword and no greatsword, for half the game’s life. Thief shortbow and warrior longbow says hello.

Put Henry in a lake, and it will become the sea, too much salt…

zber.4980:

Put Henry in a lake, and it will become the sea, too much salt…

Im really fun tho, even laughing at my own joke <3

zber.4980:

zber.4980:

Put Henry in a lake, and it will become the sea, too much salt…

Im really fun tho, even laughing at my own joke <3

^

NLukic.7512:

zber.4980:

zber.4980:

Put Henry in a lake, and it will become the sea, too much salt…

Im really fun tho, even laughing at my own joke <3

^

Thx

Lordsicky you made a QQ post about every class at this point about how it takes no skill and its overpowered. Is there something that takes skill and that isn’t overpowered to you? I’m just curious.

what counters mesmer – thieves and condi pressure

most thieves are bad and it’s not rare to see mesmers outsmart them.
thanks to ele and warrior cleansing, condi builds are played much less.

mesmers counter:

shout warriors – meta
dps guards – meta
power necros
power rangers
cele rifle engie – meta
turret engie
d/d ele – meta
fresh air ele
staff ele

mesmers arent the best at holding points and their mobility is crap. but the poor mobility is somewhat compensated by their portal.

I used to queue with a good thief and together we’d prevent anyone from reaching our points held by downing them in less than 5 sec.

glock.6590:

Lordsicky you made a QQ post about every class at this point about how it takes no skill and its overpowered. Is there something that takes skill and that isn’t overpowered to you? I’m just curious.

Why u didnt quote my joke ?!?

I am not sure why this is so painful to even look at…

I did a poll too. Most agreed that the 3 classes that need nerfs are warriors, mesmers and thieves

Lordrosicky.5813:

I did a poll too. Most agreed that the 3 classes that need nerfs are warriors, mesmers and thieves

Warriors don’t need a nerf,other warr builds need to become more viable for shoutbow to dissapear,nerfing one build doesn’t fix it.

Lordrosicky.5813:

I did a poll too. Most agreed that the 3 classes that need nerfs are warriors, mesmers and thieves

Source? Population? Bias? “Most”? Anyone who touch stats will laugh at this quote. You might consider FPS games when every class seems wrong to you…but you may find gun choices unfair.

LOL, you again?

Read this evidence.

“Guild Wars 2: Are Thieves And Mesmer’s The Cause Of The Meta?”

: ‘Two of Guild Wars 2’s classes are designed to kill players quickly. As a result, players have resorted to “tanky” builds to survive. Are the Thief and Mesmer to blame?’

: ’Having almost 8 seconds of stealth on a Thief, or a comfortable 6 seconds on a Mesmer without using an Elite is a long time. It provides a perfect opportunity to reposition for a spike when the opponent you’re facing simply has to stand there and predict when you’ll attack. There’s no reliable defence against stealth besides cleaving blindly. If there’s ever going to be build variety outside of the extremes of pure damage or pure defence, there has to be some sort of balance pass across Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Damage, Evasion and Stealth".

’ Without this, I suspect Guild Wars 2’s PvP will always be one of extremes ’.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/editorial/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmers-cause-meta

" Sometimes it takes an outsider, someone with fresh eyes to see the truth ”

" Distance brings you closer to the truth "

To Lordrosicky:

" People say be real, tell what is the truth and be frank but the problems is when you do that people get angry and go against you ".

Like I said a long time ago, Shatter Mes isn’t a hard build to play. But I don’t think it’s that effective either, just that it’s a braindead annoying class to deal with. There is literally nothing hard about evade spam while damaging.

The problem is the pathetic Mesmer community who thinks whatever their doing takes skill when there are builds that take WAY MORE skill than shatter mesmer.

In which case pray that they don’t nerf the things that keep easy mode evade while dps specs balanced.

Amir.1570:

Like I said a long time ago, Shatter Mes isn’t a hard build to play. But I don’t think it’s that effective either, just that it’s a braindead annoying class to deal with. There is literally nothing hard about evade spam while damaging.

The problem is the pathetic Mesmer community who thinks whatever their doing takes skill when there are builds that take WAY MORE skill than shatter mesmer.

In which case pray that they don’t nerf the things that keep easy mode evade while dps specs balanced.

Which ones do require way more skill than the shatter mesmer? Can you please eloberate?

Furious.2867:

Coulter.2315:

Oh dear Henry xDudisx is agreeing with you – time to think about your life choices.

And Charles Kennedy died

i’ve been wanting to ask you this for a long long long time but…are you anne coulter? coz omigharrd i love your books and interviews and pic of you with a shotgun and crapp. can i have an autograph? also your botox administrator does an amazing job. you’re like 65 but look 35. omigharrd im so star struck.

I’m named for Mrs Coulter from His Dark Materials, books I liked growing up by Philip Pullman.

Quadox.7834:

xDudisx.5914:

Yes mesmer GS is the most broken weapon in the game. One of the few ranged weapons that is not a projectile on autoatck. Has unblockable skills on a very short cd.

That’s probably why mesmers in the past always used staff-sword and no greatsword, for half the game’s life. Thief shortbow and warrior longbow says hello.

Thief shorbow is only 900 range. Cluster bomb is incredible slow moving projectile and the other 4 skills do almost no dmg. Has 0 unblockable skills.

Warrior’s bow is only 1000 range. Autoatck is weak. #3 is slow moving projective. Pin down is heavily telegraphed. Has 0 unblockable skills.

Mesmer gs is 10 times more broken than the weapons you cited. It has AoE boon removal. AoE CC. Insta 9stacks of might and 9 vul. Ranged NON PROJECTILE autoatck that you can exploit for extra dmg. You can stack 2 cooldown reduction traits so mirror blade cd can be less than 5s.

so far the only semi broken build i ve bumped into is distortion spam build
as all the mesmer has to do is use sword and pistol and gs sword for spamming flurry distortion on short cd and pistol for the clone gs is used for the berserker clone as well then all mesmer has to do is summon another pistol clone and focus on distortion spam while clones obliterate you

Thief is the main thing that is keeping mesmer in check, if not for thief there would be far more mesmer complaints.

Wait wait wait, so what you’re saying is that my old Godmode Warrior picture needs to be resigned to Mesmer? :O

Anyway, as a Mesmer main I have zero problem killing other Mesmers, so I don’t know what you’re on about.

vincecontix.1264:

Thief is the main thing that is keeping mesmer in check, if not for thief there would be far more mesmer complaints.

If you removed thieves from the game, comps would change, and something else would sit in play to counter Mesmer.

xDudisx.5914:

Quadox.7834:

xDudisx.5914:

Yes mesmer GS is the most broken weapon in the game. One of the few ranged weapons that is not a projectile on autoatck. Has unblockable skills on a very short cd.

That’s probably why mesmers in the past always used staff-sword and no greatsword, for half the game’s life. Thief shortbow and warrior longbow says hello.

Thief shorbow is only 900 range. Cluster bomb is incredible slow moving projectile and the other 4 skills do almost no dmg. Has 0 unblockable skills.

Warrior’s bow is only 1000 range. Autoatck is weak. #3 is slow moving projective. Pin down is heavily telegraphed. Has 0 unblockable skills.

Mesmer gs is 10 times more broken than the weapons you cited. It has AoE boon removal. AoE CC. Insta 9stacks of might and 9 vul. Ranged NON PROJECTILE autoatck that you can exploit for extra dmg. You can stack 2 cooldown reduction traits so mirror blade cd can be less than 5s.

“It has AoE boon removal. " > remove one boon (12s), omg so op, what about sword AA?

“AoE CC” > wow 30s aoe cc with 450range, what about mantra of resolve? (30s cd, 2 aoe stun 1200 range)

“Insta 9stacks of might and 9 vul” > yeah 9stack of might when you’re at melee range.

I think in this topic, people qqing about mesmer drop their keyboard when they saw a mesmer ==.
If you’re afk and do nothing, it’s normal if you lose ==.

Thieves and Mesmers have a lot in common:

I. Higher skill cap required which means that they are either good or pretty worthless
II. Good synergy working together
III. Two stealthiest profession
IV. Two most annoying profession to go against

and my favorite:

V. Absolutely crappy for you if either one of these are stacked in your team