Guild Wars 2

A lot of my friends are leaving the game because of the unbalanced burn damage and mesmers..

Is it just me noticing these things?

i log in only to do daily gathering in home instance, team practice once a week and maybe tourney (if we signed up for it)…. do not enjoy the fact that i have to rely on my enemy to be complete idiot to be able to fight them

i used to pvp a lot, not anymore…. this patch actually forced me into SA/vamp runes and play like decapping/stealth pet…. i do not enjoy it but it is necessary evil, it doesn’t make this game any fun for me atm tho~

I quit pvping for a mix of reasons.

- Balance is wonky.
- Damage is too high.
- Classes are becoming watered down, losing definition.
- Still no 2v2 and 3v3.****

It’s a great game, just getting boring without the highly demanded arena, and needs a lot of work after the last shake up. Still have hope though…

If they think that Now GW2 is unbalanced, why don’t they left before, when ele and engi will be able to win in 1vs3?

Yes, ele’s burn (guardian’s can’t stack burn so frequently out of the befgin of the battle and they can’t stack 20 might by itself, making burn deal really high damage) and mesmers are actually a little OP.

But all the other classes seems to be balanced, I’ve see fights really balanced.

And there will always be a “OP” class.

If ANet tone down a little (just a little) the damage and the hide duration of mesmers and reduce a little the ability of the ele to auto-stack might and the number of burn stacks that they’re skills and traits apply (why they have too many traits and skills to applyburn in active and passive ways and that recharge too fast) everything will be ok.

I think that actually is the more balanced and funny sPvP I’ve ever played on GW2.

It’s just you OP. This meta is much better than the meta of bunkers/shoutbow poking each other on point. People actually die in this meta 1v2. The fast pace gameplay (and Vigor need) bring risk to random dodge and reward good timing.

I have seen a lot of people who used to only press a few buttons on their classes complain because the skip ceiling has been raised and they can’t keep up with the fast pace gameplay.

Counter point: I also see plenty of my pure WvW friends join pvp. They didn’t join PvP before because they thought PvP was just a bunch of bunkers/bruisers Cele, which was true.

you can play MM necro and do better in soloq

I’m a little jaded at the moment but for a different reason – because I main mesmer and I hate being the target of general community anger even though I am currently playing a build that is below average and uses none of the “overpowered” or hated traits and skills (PU, CS, MoD, BD…) – and even then people moan at you in chat about stupid things when they have no clue about the traits or skills you’re using.

I just log in for pvp dailies at the moment – I refuse to accept any guilt pressure that other players may put on me for being a mesmer.

Silv. I would argue that it was more balanced before.
all these trait changes does make things easier to balance undeniably.

However, right now it seems devs are too busy with the extension, HoT and neglecting the balancing of the existing professions. They promised us that things will be modified but can we really say that they have been doing a good job on that?

This hurts the PvP community.

I agree. Burn damage is too high. This change was supposed to change the meta and and have more viable builds. it was for the first week or so. Now it’s back to zerker of GTFO.

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

People have been leaving PvP since the beginning. And its not because of one single class, its because there is a lack of “balancing” that has continued to plague the game.

When there are little to no balance changes, the gameplay becomes stale and boring, no matter what profession is “meta”.

Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

Cynz.9437:

Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

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There are two camps of people raging at the moment:

1. Mesmer burst is too high, very hard to see from Stealth/Blink. I can sympathize with this camp, although I don’t fully agree with them.
2. Ele burning is too high. What’s funny is that Ele Ring of Fire apply no burning on cast. You must manually walk in and out it multiple times to get 12 stacks for 3k burning. I don’t sympathize with this group.

Sunshine.5014:

1. Ele burning is too high. What’s funny is that Ele Ring of Fire apply no burning on cast. You must manually walk in and out it multiple times to get 12 stacks for 3k burning. I don’t sympathize with this group.

It is not just the burning, its the burning, plus the might stacking, plus the survivability. Half the classes in this game are melee you simply do not have the option not to walk into those skills. And even if you dont, it is not like you are going to out last them. Hence OP.

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Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

There’s like 30 fotm mesmer for every good mesmer. And 200 fotm mesmer for every tourney tiered mesmer.

The game mode affects your overall enjoyment as well. If you hate yourself, you could go against a zerg of fotm mesmers in hotjoin. Ranked is also teeming with fotm mesmers but they are easily identified by their poor positioning.

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Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

There’s like 30 fotm mesmer for every good mesmer. And 200 fotm mesmer for every tourney tiered mesmer.

The game mode affects your overall enjoyment as well. If you hate yourself, you could go against a zerg of fotm mesmers in hotjoin. Ranked is also teeming with fotm mesmers but they are easily identified by their poor positioning.

there is thing like mmr…. :|
besides hj are not enjoyable as it is always 2v5

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Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

There’s like 30 fotm mesmer for every good mesmer. And 200 fotm mesmer for every tourney tiered mesmer.

The game mode affects your overall enjoyment as well. If you hate yourself, you could go against a zerg of fotm mesmers in hotjoin. Ranked is also teeming with fotm mesmers but they are easily identified by their poor positioning.

there is thing like mmr…. :|
besides hj are not enjoyable as it is always 2v5

that phantom mmr only does its job during peak hours before taking a 20 hour break.
you lure ppl you don’t like to hojo

Sunshine.5014:

It’s just you OP. This meta is much better than the meta of bunkers/shoutbow poking each other on point. People actually die in this meta 1v2. The fast pace gameplay (and Vigor need) bring risk to random dodge and reward good timing.

• +1 , this balance actually rewards ppl with good positionement, punish mistake (like ppl who overextend), force more team plays, etc.

I really dont mind mesmer burst I think it is good that way..
I think that what needs to be rework is the ICD between Mantra (when its channeled), only because it is hard to see coming cause of the instant cast and easy access cause of the low ICD ..

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Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

There’s like 30 fotm mesmer for every good mesmer. And 200 fotm mesmer for every tourney tiered mesmer.

The game mode affects your overall enjoyment as well. If you hate yourself, you could go against a zerg of fotm mesmers in hotjoin. Ranked is also teeming with fotm mesmers but they are easily identified by their poor positioning.

there is thing like mmr…. :|
besides hj are not enjoyable as it is always 2v5

that phantom mmr only does its job during peak hours before taking a 20 hour break.
you lure ppl you don’t like to hojo

oh sry i just happend to have a job and can only play during peak hours~

I know the OP PvPs a lot (or used to)

I’ve encountered him a fair amount on my main in the last 2+ years. Sure there’s an influx of players but there are fewer guys like this OP that still play

Why did you play when bunkers were poking eachother for 5 min i think it was boring as f****

This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better !!

Extreme.8350:

Why did you play when bunkers were poking eachother for 5 min i think it was boring as f****

This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better !!

They were not.
If you think otherwise, find a single final of ESL in 2015 (EU or NA) where people poke each other for 5 minutes and nobody dies.

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Tao.1234:

I can understand stopping pvp due to power and burn, but mesmers?

Really?

Because you get owned by Mesmer?

i am forced into sa/vamp literary because of mesmers only… i just hate it~

good mes (see tourney teams) will burst you before you even know what happend…. bad mesmers are extremely annoying to fight because even if they miss every single shatter and stun they are still hard to bring down~

There’s like 30 fotm mesmer for every good mesmer. And 200 fotm mesmer for every tourney tiered mesmer.

The game mode affects your overall enjoyment as well. If you hate yourself, you could go against a zerg of fotm mesmers in hotjoin. Ranked is also teeming with fotm mesmers but they are easily identified by their poor positioning.

there is thing like mmr…. :|
besides hj are not enjoyable as it is always 2v5

that phantom mmr only does its job during peak hours before taking a 20 hour break.
you lure ppl you don’t like to hojo

oh sry i just happend to have a job and can only play during peak hours~

It’s ok, np. I don’t work for anyone. On the road, Gw2 pvp is hard to resist with no limit 4G and satellite connection (airborne)

btw, I <3 your thief pls don’t kill me

My friend rage quit SO hard last week over mesmer burst. It’s so unfair – especially considering how much stealth they now have.

I don’t know how anyone can actually defend mesmers at this point. I bet they even think they’re OP.

I’m sorry but when I played this game every day and was extremely active on these forums like 2 years ago, people were saying this same exact thing about PvP except it was all about Warriors and Thieves making people quit. People are still saying the same thing xD

Cush.4063:

I’m sorry but when I played this game every day and was extremely active on these forums like 2 years ago, people were saying this same exact thing about PvP except it was all about Warriors and Thieves making people quit. People are still saying the same thing xD

I remember around this time 2 years ago, people were complaining about necro dhummfire. Lol, I was one of them.
#engie4lyf

Architecture.7524:

A lot of my friends are leaving the game because of the unbalanced burn damage and mesmers..

Is it just me noticing these things?

I didn’t notice your friends leave. It’s not odd that you noticed them leave, though.

In my opinion many people leave, others will take their place. This is how gaming industry works. People don’t like to play the same thing over and over again. If the game no longer offers something new to their loved profession, then they leave and try something new in other games, if possible similar with their play style in past games.

What a person likes and dislikes remain constant, but toys and games change according to what he/she likes or dislikes. To keep a person inside your product for many years, one must always bring something new to what that person likes (profession, race, range/malee, healer/dps/support/bunker, condition/aoe/target, and so on).

In my opinion games change, but what each person likes remains the same, and that is why each person has a favorite profession or favorite character. When a person is tired of his/her main (liked) character, they leave GuildWars2. It’s simple as that.

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Cush.4063:

I’m sorry but when I played this game every day and was extremely active on these forums like 2 years ago, people were saying this same exact thing about PvP except it was all about Warriors and Thieves making people quit. People are still saying the same thing xD

I remember around this time 2 years ago, people were complaining about necro dhummfire. Lol, I was one of them.
#engie4lyf

LOL I remember that big time. Also Thieves Sword/Pistol build, Decap Engis, and Hambow Warriors xD. Those still around or no? Oh, and conditions in general. Ele’s were at the bottom of the trash tier then.

high burst would be fine if their wasn’t so much instant/unavoidable/passive damage.

I’ve pretty much quit other than dailies (may give up on that soon too). A friend of mine completely quit until a balance patch comes out, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a few others joined us.

The game is in a terrible state right now. Mesmers and Eles are completely ruining it. But even once they’re fixed, there are still many issues left to resolve e.g. passive sigil proc damage, lack of needed stat customization, etc. The severe lack of communication about balance from ANet doesn’t help things.

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Cush.4063:

I’m sorry but when I played this game every day and was extremely active on these forums like 2 years ago, people were saying this same exact thing about PvP except it was all about Warriors and Thieves making people quit. People are still saying the same thing xD

I remember around this time 2 years ago, people were complaining about necro dhummfire. Lol, I was one of them.
#engie4lyf

LOL I remember that big time. Also Thieves Sword/Pistol build, Decap Engis, and Hambow Warriors xD. Those still around or no? Oh, and conditions in general. Ele’s were at the bottom of the trash tier then.

cele eles have been dominant for about a year now. their position was briefly threatened by shoutbows a couple months before huge patch. thanks to burning buff, well synergized traits and general nerf to warrior build diversity, eles have again secured their dominance

I play power Necro and think that if the is all it takes for people to leave PvP, the were likely just farming rank pts anyway. Good power Necro has a great ability to keep there ‘op classes’ in check. Try making friends with one. Unless you’re not actually looking for answers and are more interested in complaining with a defeatist mindset. Hit me up whenever if you’d like to play a few matches together.

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Cush.4063:

I’m sorry but when I played this game every day and was extremely active on these forums like 2 years ago, people were saying this same exact thing about PvP except it was all about Warriors and Thieves making people quit. People are still saying the same thing xD

I remember around this time 2 years ago, people were complaining about necro dhummfire. Lol, I was one of them.
#engie4lyf

LOL I remember that big time. Also Thieves Sword/Pistol build, Decap Engis, and Hambow Warriors xD. Those still around or no? Oh, and conditions in general. Ele’s were at the bottom of the trash tier then.

cele eles have been dominant for about a year now. their position was briefly threatened by shoutbows a couple months before huge patch. thanks to burning buff, well synergized traits and general nerf to warrior build diversity, eles have again secured their dominance

They’re also threatened by massive amounts of boon corruption/condi transfer, nearly permanate poison/weakness/chill uptime and syphon that ignores defense.

Architecture.7524:

A lot of my friends are leaving the game because of … snip…

becoue of the inbalance, becouse of the lack of competetive leaderboard, becouse of the usual 6 months peace of cake, etc etc etc…
i can’t make enough polite posts / topics about clear issues (with hand in hand with many other decent players), they stay unanswered. at least pls dropp a ‘we don’t care’ sign or something….

Everyone here should go play Ranger for a Month! then come back and say your still logging in.

Game is allot better but also allot worse than before.

you whining rangers couldconsider dropping conquest and changing gamemode to 1v1 servers (heard rangers are pretty broken there), might cheer you up lol.

Certainly feels like there is less ppl.

Having watched them neglect my previous game mode to death (wvw) I am a little worried…

rangers need a lot of work, at this point moreso than any other prof except maybe necro. but there are a few strong builds. I have about 70-75% winrate with my particular build soloq, so im not crying in a corner or anything. id like to see more improvements though.

what gets me though is that ANet 1) just isn’t delivering timely balance changes and 2) theyre always delivering a half-finished product. they never have and they never will deliver timely balance changes. they need help, yet they don’t want to give us a PTR.

the most interesting game with a team dedicated to pvp and its balancing is Overwatch. the minute I get into beta, im gone.

SlimChance.6593:

People have been leaving PvP since the beginning. And its not because of one single class, its because there is a lack of “balancing” that has continued to plague the game.

When there are little to no balance changes, the gameplay becomes stale and boring, no matter what profession is “meta”.

Nailed it! It is ok to shake things up every now an then with HUGE balance changes (like the specialization change was), but you then have to respond frequently in the following weeks with tweaks and adjustments so things don’t get out of control. They even recognized less than 24 hours after patch that some things were too strong (why didn’t they have internal testers to find out this stuff anyway), and yet STILL haven’t done any number adjustments.

Their past history shows they will continue to neglect balance for another 6-months to a year, which is pathetic given the current state of the game. They don’t even need to apply super-elegant solutions, they could literally just adjust some numbers and improve the game a LOT.

I think the biggest reason for people leaving is being locked in the mist.

Anet has the entire team focused on HoT

I hope at least after Wts They can fix quickly broken stuff we have now.

Not really hyped if i think we will stay with this broken meta for 6 months

The actual state of spvp:

- no leaderboard
- no seasons
- broken meta
- stuck in the Mist while queuing.

No really reasons to play

BlackBeard.2873:

Nailed it! It is ok to shake things up every now an then with HUGE balance changes (like the specialization change was), but you then have to respond frequently in the following weeks with tweaks and adjustments so things don’t get out of control. They even recognized less than 24 hours after patch that some things were too strong (why didn’t they have internal testers to find out this stuff anyway), and yet STILL haven’t done any number adjustments.

Their past history shows they will continue to neglect balance for another 6-months to a year, which is pathetic given the current state of the game. They don’t even need to apply super-elegant solutions, they could literally just adjust some numbers and improve the game a LOT.

Impossible.
Anet always respond to our feedback.
They always communicate with us.
They always bring balanced and tested changes that please all of us.

Everything else is just a fairy tale.

How long has the immobilize bug been around? I think ever since they buffed immobilize to 5 stacks. So like, a year and a half the bug is STILL here.

Although I do like these changes and love the new trait system and how everything is so fast, however, ArenaNet made some unbelievably toxic and stupid decisions that still plague the game to this day.

GW2 PvP will forever be an esport joke, what kind of sport allows game breaking bugs? “Oh, Charlie kicked the soccer ball into the score board! That means The Rapids soccer team wins!! That’s right because… It just does!!”
If Riot catches a player abusing an exploit in a tournament the team gets banned, in ArenaNets eyes, “That’s just okay!” It seriously sickened me that the Signet of Restoration healing exploit was used in a tournament.

ArenaNet needs to look at Esports as a kittening SPORT and not a GIMMICK.

As an elementalist, I just want to point out that as long as elementalists and mesmers will be able to outperform in almost every aspect thief, engi, ranger, necro and (upon a certain degree) warriors, I can totally understand people leaving.

Those classes I listed above (thief, ranger, engi, necro, warrior) are totally viable and can work in a team-oriented pvp. Stealth, AoE Moan, Necro corrupt and Rampage are unique features that only those classes can provide and are insanely amazing when properly used in a well-coordinated environment.

But of course, why should you bother to SOLOqueue with one of the the above when you could do far better with mesmer or elementalist without needing coordination? Why should you train with your friends when you could just go ele or mesmer?

Frenk.5917:

As an elementalist, I just want to point out that as long as elementalists and mesmers will be able to outperform in almost every aspect thief, engi, ranger, necro and (upon a certain degree) warriors, I can totally understand people leaving.

Those classes I listed above (thief, ranger, engi, necro, warrior) are totally viable and can work in a team-oriented pvp. Stealth, AoE Moan, Necro corrupt and Rampage are unique features that only those classes can provide and are insanely amazing when properly used in a well-coordinated environment.

But of course, why should you bother to SOLOqueue with one of the the above when you could do far better with mesmer or elementalist without needing coordination? Why should you train with your friends when you could just go ele or mesmer?

Totally agree ith this.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

I think the biggest reason for people leaving is being locked in the mist.

I have to agree with this. I don’t mind terribly sitting in the mists for a couple minutes (3-15), but any friends I’ve tried to get into this game can’t stand it. It seems terribly lame. Allow people to continue to play the game during queue. (especially those who think playing for an hour is long; to them, 15 minutes is a giant waste of time)

On topic,
I think that the balance is not terrible, except for some slight reduction in condition damage overall (~5%), and another 10% reduction in burning damage. Then Mesmers need to be toned down some. I think a slight decrease in stealth uptime, a decent decrease in burst (~20%), and maybe a slight tweak to how their stun mantra behaves with traits. I’m not super familiar with mesmer since the changes, but I fight them pretty fairly myself. I do find that it is sad to watch my teamates get destroyed in less than a second. While Mesmer’s don’t feel like they are overly overpowered, their style of damage pushes newer players out of the game. So lower their burst by a decent amount and try and give them some better sustain. (without stealth) Conditions feel a little too strong, another way to help with this is improve players self-condition cleansing. Just add some condition cleanse to underused skills.

I don’t think anyone can really argue that the pvp community in GW2 has shrunk drastically and I think it really just comes back to complete lack of faster balance iteration something that they actually promised recently they’ve constantly told us that it’s separate teams working on the live game and expansion yet all of a sudden there is no one to spare for live everyone is focused on expansion. I find this particularly disconcerting considering the trait system revamp and then no follow up to all the completely broken nonfunctioning traits/bugs it left behind.

At this point i’m really not sure how to interpret all of that. ¯\(-.-)/¯

NAGASIRENBEAST.5937:

Absolutely not, I see a lot of Rangers (including myself) leaving and other non meta players who do not want to change their class and play a brainless Ele build… it is sad really

I just put up my coat when a dev said that HoT is taking priority over fixing bugs on rangers. This game isnt worth it and I could care less for HoT.