Guild Wars 2

There needs to be a better way to find the “individual’s” skill level and contribution to a team. If MMR is based on win/loss then 4 other people are effecting the outcome of how the system views an individual’s skill level. How can a system find an individual’s skill “MMR” in a team based pvp game? This is the “MMR Hell” that so many are speaking of, when you are teamed up with people who are making what you can see are obvious bad choices in a match, you know for certain that their skill cap is significantly lower than yours.

These bad choices by bad players cause a loss thus lowering your MMR regardless how well you performed in the match. This creates a vicious cycle of lowering your MMR, teaming you with worse and worse players until you finally strike a win and can crawl your way out of the pits of MMR Hell.

This is how I was stuck in the final tier of Sapphire for several days. That match-making is completely broken…. After several litres of tears I finally managed to get to Ruby, since then, I lose every match in record time. The team I am in never even tries to make some kind of strategy or react on chat/map during the match. They just run straight to the point and die in less than a minute.

I tried everything and I always failed. I don’t know what to do anymore, so I guess I just consider Ruby being my final goal and say bye-bye to PVP until next league. It is just so frustrating that there is no fun in trying anymore.

Please Gods of Guild Wars show mercy.
Nobody deserves a faith like this – 10 games losing streak.
sPVP is awarding me with nothing but pain, hate and anger, but my addiction is so deep that I can`t ignore it.
Please Gods of Guild Wars show mercy.
Ban my account from sPVP
or
Place the dishonor buff on all my characters so that I won`t be able to hit the join Arena button.
Send me back to PVE.
Send me back to the sweet illusion that I`m enjoying a nice game.

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
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Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

Nothing much to say….. According to Evan Lesh on this same post, their “system” is working as intended. L o L

The claim has been made that the season would even out and games would become better as “good” players move up. That theory has failed as has this season’s matchmaking. I can’t wait to see anet remove the division locks. Watch the qq as players fall in the course of a weekend from Diamond to Amber.

This system isn’t working anet, admit it and move on please, for the sake of the game.

Here’s my recent game history. Those are losses by an average of roughly 214 points. with a maximum margin of 481 points and a minimum of 76.

These matches are not “fun” or “competitive.” They don’t make me admire Diamond or Legendary players. Quite the contrary, it makes me despise them. I don’t think this is the sort of “prestige” anet hoped to generate.

Ithilwen.1529:

The claim has been made that the season would even out and games would become better as “good” players move up. That theory has failed as has this season’s matchmaking. I can’t wait to see anet remove the division locks. Watch the qq as players fall in the course of a weekend from Diamond to Amber.

This system isn’t working anet, admit it and move on please, for the sake of the game.

Here’s my recent game history. Those are losses by an average of roughly 214 points. with a maximum margin of 481 points and a minimum of 76.

These matches are not “fun” or “competitive.” They don’t make me admire Diamond or Legendary players. Quite the contrary, it makes me despise them. I don’t think this is the sort of “prestige” anet hoped to generate.

removing division lock wont solve anything, it will only result in more issues. ( drastic Q times/ less players ) also as a player i never experience losing enough pips to warrant going down in division. meaning i never had 0 pips and lose. also you shouldnt hate on the diamond or legendary players, like you they’re also just playing the game. if u think ruby is bad right now, diamond is the same. so dont rejoice if u got out of ruby.

look at the models: the system will not even out until players have played an average of 200 games each….. If they are just doing the daily then well, thats over the length allowed for the season.

I agree, removing the division locks would be cataclysmic. Still, a number of players on this thread have asked for just that.

As to the system evening out with an average of 200 games in the population, I think that’s a very optimistic number.

Skullface.7293:

I am currently in Ruby division and have a win rate of 80%. The build you are playing aswell as player skill makes a difference.

Also, most of my games are by doing solo queues.

Same, but this is on my alt acct. that I play when I’m 100% down with that proff and can dominate.

So on my main I have above 50% MMR, on my alt account i sit above 70%. On my alt acct. I can safely say that if u get match against the teams I play in as a soloq, goodluck. Because skills and builds is only a small part when the system is placing you in teams designed to lose.

Yasi.9065:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Main vs Alt

Primary difference: caliber of teammates grouped with due to MMR of the account

I only just started the ranked climb on my alt this passed Saturday morning. Made sure I had it tracked with www.gw2pvp.de

Red = loss (includes forfeits)
Green = win (includes byes)
Ranked games are highlighted in yellow

This only gets interesting when you get to the same division and tier as your main account is atm, before that? It just shows the system works.

So, just an update on this.

I just broke Ruby on my alt. Ruby, 1 pip in. Same place where my main was at my original post. In just 36 games played.

For easier tracking, I will pick up ranked play on my alt account tomorrow and we’ll see how many games it takes to make it to where my main sits now (17 pips in) as opposed to how many games that account has needed (well over 80 games in ruby at this point).

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Ithilwen.1529:

The claim has been made that the season would even out and games would become better as “good” players move up. That theory has failed as has this season’s matchmaking. I can’t wait to see anet remove the division locks. Watch the qq as players fall in the course of a weekend from Diamond to Amber.

This system isn’t working anet, admit it and move on please, for the sake of the game.

Here’s my recent game history. Those are losses by an average of roughly 214 points. with a maximum margin of 481 points and a minimum of 76.

These matches are not “fun” or “competitive.” They don’t make me admire Diamond or Legendary players. Quite the contrary, it makes me despise them. I don’t think this is the sort of “prestige” anet hoped to generate.

removing division lock wont solve anything, it will only result in more issues. ( drastic Q times/ less players ) also as a player i never experience losing enough pips to warrant going down in division. meaning i never had 0 pips and lose. also you shouldnt hate on the diamond or legendary players, like you they’re also just playing the game. if u think ruby is bad right now, diamond is the same. so dont rejoice if u got out of ruby.

Games should be tougher in higher leagues. I’d love to reach diamond purely for its own sake but still need to iron out many holes in my understanding or team more often.

People forget that the whole division deal isn’t to allow everyone to get diamond or legendary. If you are not good enough to get there then you simply won’t. I agree that sometimes you get bad teammates and that’s fine and all but if you are only winning 50% or less, then the game has you where you need to be. It’s not fun being there, but that’s the system telling you that you are where you are supposed to be. Good players win despite having bad teammates, so they are the ones that are highly ranked with good mmr

Anhomedog.7968:

People forget that the whole division deal isn’t to allow everyone to get diamond or legendary. If you are not good enough to get there then you simply won’t. I agree that sometimes you get bad teammates and that’s fine and all but if you are only winning 50% or less, then the game has you where you need to be. It’s not fun being there, but that’s the system telling you that you are where you are supposed to be. Good players win despite having bad teammates, so they are the ones that are highly ranked with good mmr

It isn’t really whether you are good or not. That can make a difference, but is not as determinative as where the “game” thinks you should be. If it “thinks” you are bad, you will get bad team mates are more likely to lose. If it “thinks” you are good you will get good team mates and are more likely to win. Amazingly where the game thinks you should be is likely where you will be.

Sure if you are a lot better or worse than the game thinks then you might be able to avoid your pre-destiny but you need to be an awful lot better or worse.

Not sure what that says about skill level.

Eagelseye.6312:

Lastly the matchmaking as seen in this screenshot when I did soloQ says it all. I am Nefarmius in that screenshot.

and what exactly is wrong with this screenshot?

Cynz.9437:

and what exactly is wrong with this screenshot?

I guess he doesn’t think it is fair to be teamed with an amber. OFC it might be an experienced player playing on an alt or else an experienced player starting the season late. But it could also be an inexperienced player, which would make the game more challenging to win.

They have the best solution for teams – it has to go with the highest counting or else people smurf it like last season.

This isn’t the problem with S2 matchmaking.

Do you think diamond is different?

kittens sake due to talentless system thinker of this league costed me hours and I still couldnt reach diamond t3. Long story in list:

- Game ended 500-500, lost win streak, lost pip.
- Played 8 minutes as 4vs5 with a leaver in my team. We thought we wont lose pip. Result: Lost pip
- AFK in kittening, shiny diamond tier. Lost pip.
- AFK in kittening, shiny diamond tier again Lost pip.
- AFK in kittening, shiny diamond tier again and again. Lost pip.

Anhomedog.7968:

People forget that the whole division deal isn’t to allow everyone to get diamond or legendary. If you are not good enough to get there then you simply won’t. I agree that sometimes you get bad teammates and that’s fine and all but if you are only winning 50% or less, then the game has you where you need to be. It’s not fun being there, but that’s the system telling you that you are where you are supposed to be. Good players win despite having bad teammates, so they are the ones that are highly ranked with good mmr

For my part I have no problem whatsoever no matter where my place is as long as it is among ppl of similar level. As it is, whoever believe that is blind and profoundly dumb. I’m sorry but that is plain reality.

The problem isn’t that most of those pointing fingers at MMR team making would like to be higher than they actually are. It is that they are stuck among ppl that are clearly below them and forced into bad MM by the algorithm and they feel powerless so much what they are asked to carry is absurd. If at least it would mean we would enjoy close matches but no. It’s a blowout fest on one side or the other with an occasional close match and a lot of frustration. In other word it is everything I do not want in a game. Even a competitive one.

Agemnon.4608:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Ithilwen.1529:

The claim has been made that the season would even out and games would become better as “good” players move up. That theory has failed as has this season’s matchmaking. I can’t wait to see anet remove the division locks. Watch the qq as players fall in the course of a weekend from Diamond to Amber.

This system isn’t working anet, admit it and move on please, for the sake of the game.

Here’s my recent game history. Those are losses by an average of roughly 214 points. with a maximum margin of 481 points and a minimum of 76.

These matches are not “fun” or “competitive.” They don’t make me admire Diamond or Legendary players. Quite the contrary, it makes me despise them. I don’t think this is the sort of “prestige” anet hoped to generate.

removing division lock wont solve anything, it will only result in more issues. ( drastic Q times/ less players ) also as a player i never experience losing enough pips to warrant going down in division. meaning i never had 0 pips and lose. also you shouldnt hate on the diamond or legendary players, like you they’re also just playing the game. if u think ruby is bad right now, diamond is the same. so dont rejoice if u got out of ruby.

Games should be tougher in higher leagues. I’d love to reach diamond purely for its own sake but still need to iron out many holes in my understanding or team more often.

Anyone that played a bunk mesmer and a condi pu mesmer is going to be kittened at season 2….. no more bunk mesmer and pu mesmer got gutted long ago.

I’m surprised more ppl don’t mention WHEN players reach a respective division. I’ve noticed that it’s vastly easier to cross divisions early in the season. In other words if you want to solo Q your way to legendary you’s be well advised to play as much as you can early on. If you wait till the season is in full swing you will most likely have a much much more difficult to almost impossible time getting past ruby or diamond w/o a group.

Why was op infracted for this thread? It might be a kittenaotic and lots of posts with censor kittens but no one said anything wrong.

edit why is the word chao_tic censored?

Cynz.9437:

Eagelseye.6312:

Lastly the matchmaking as seen in this screenshot when I did soloQ says it all. I am Nefarmius in that screenshot.

and what exactly is wrong with this screenshot?

I would say his keybinds…
Definitly not the matchmakings fault though.

SoPP.7034:

fishball.7204:

I’d kill for a 50% win rate/close matchup like SC2 and other competitive games… those games that end with 500-10 doesn’t really help either side improve.

But espurts!

lol necrooms is from team pz, and Partime hero is Darress who was number 1 on the leader-boards when they were up.

So I got into Ruby yesterday. The quality of team mates has taken a nose dive. Before ruby, if my team got pushed off of middle at the start of the match, I often saw the team rally back and sometimes win sometimes lose. But they kept trying to win.

Ever since I’ve gotten into ruby, I’ve seen a different thing happen over and over. If my team gets turned back at the initial fight for middle… at least 1 person goes afk. One match, 3 people went afk. No matter how skilled or unskilled one is… if the teams are “fairly” matched and one team gets an afk player, it’s going to be a loss. Only with MMR, this apparently results in a higher likelihood of being teamed with people who go afk or don’t know what to do.

Travis.3487:

SoPP.7034:

fishball.7204:

I’d kill for a 50% win rate/close matchup like SC2 and other competitive games… those games that end with 500-10 doesn’t really help either side improve.

But espurts!

lol necrooms is from team pz, and Partime hero is Darress who was number 1 on the leader-boards when they were up.

So what you’re saying is, he could’ve won the match with an ele yes? /s

This is what happens in ruby since I’m stuck there. Not a single good game in the last two weeks.

shagwell.1349:

This is what happens in ruby since I’m stuck there. Not a single good game in the last two weeks.

I feel your pain. I’ve been stuck in Ruby since the 12th, on my main account. For a while I was stuck in T1 (a long, painful while), but caught a break. Now I’m mired in T4. It’s really hard to care when I see things like all 4 of my teammates mobbing home. I can only do so much as one person. sigh And of course, if I say anything then I’m the bad guy.

And yet…I just breezed into Diamond on my alt, yesterday. After just 5 “days.” The difference between the two accounts is/was absolutely astounding.

Skullface.7293:

I am currently in Ruby division and have a win rate of 80%. The build you are playing aswell as player skill makes a difference.

Also, most of my games are by doing solo queues.

Coming from a top 100 players for more than 3 years, your MMR is top 10% and stable.

You can lose some games but your MMR will stay intact.

So… enjoy your easy soloq ride while it last. MMR vs PiPs range should never happen again.

skullfaerie.7203:

Uhhh, so if ‘average’ people are (according to Evan) supposed to get stuck in ruby, then why have I never even met people as bad as the lot in Diamond?

I literally just broke down laughing out loud because I’ve never even seen this many bad players congregate in one place before. it would be completely hilarious if it wasn’t for Anets claims that the system is working fine.

Since their system is a GRIND your WINS away.

All bad players that take time to play games will RISE anyway.

The last week of League, we will see way more Legendary than season 1, because the META is better now, so players are playing more games, grinding more…

I repeat.

Please ANET, SEPARATED RANK (skill) and REWARDS (grind).

I can’t get down to Sapphire even if I try.

Ruby is so much fun!

That’s the first game today where I wasn’t on top of my teams score and where we didn’t lose by about 400 points. Still in ruby…

Reposting here to say that I finally managed to reach Diamond division, it turns out a lot of people in Ruby are terrible versus DH and AOEs in general, I had a much higher win rate with it than Revenant…

blah blah blah i tanked my mmr last season because i wanted win streaks blah blah blah

hahaha i actually love that anet has this matchmaking now. Its pretty funny for anyone that didnt try to cheat the system and tank mmr.

NeXeD.3042:

blah blah blah i tanked my mmr last season because i wanted win streaks blah blah blah

hahaha i actually love that anet has this matchmaking now. Its pretty funny for anyone that didnt try to cheat the system and tank mmr.

This system doesn’t hurt those who cheated by tanking mmr, they all have extremely organized premade teams so they got their mmr back to high as possible very quickly by farming solo players all day. This system was made to punish solo players for being solo players the rest got a free ride to the top and lots of laughs along the way considering most matches are a slaughter, not even close to a competition.

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
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Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

ive got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

im really not that good…. but neither are most of the other people playing this game.

no idea what that number means… is that your ping?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Main vs Alt

Primary difference: caliber of teammates grouped with due to MMR of the account

I only just started the ranked climb on my alt this passed Saturday morning. Made sure I had it tracked with www.gw2pvp.de

Red = loss (includes forfeits)
Green = win (includes byes)
Ranked games are highlighted in yellow

I did the same thing yesterday. Last 10 matches -> 9 wins.

So yeah, everyone saying “your skill is keeping you down” they’re wrong in most cases. Your ‘skill’ is currently a number. The more you loose, the worse your teammates get, the less chance you have to win, the lower your “skill” according to the game → vicious circle.

NeXeD.3042:

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

im really not that good…. but neither are most of the other people playing this game.

no idea what that number means… is that your ping?

That’s reaction time, you need to click when it turns green as fast as you can. Lower is obviously better and the lower the score the better reflexes you have for interrupts and activating combo fields.

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Agemnon.4608:

NeXeD.3042:

Ellie.5913:

Furious.1283:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

ronpierce.2760:

morrolan.9608:

ronpierce.2760:

This is very simple, its not a reward track. It’s a rank system, and technically works. Sapphire/Ruby should have your most average players with a close-to 50% win rate in that division, making it hard to work out of, but not fall too far back, too.
.

Up to ruby it is actually essentially a reward track.

Yes, I realize early parts are like a reward track. I think that is their attempt to make it “somewhat” fun for everyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone “deserves” to have Legendary. I feel the way it is set up is actually very generous… It’s still prestigious to get to Legendary, but most people can at least make it to ruby if they put in the time and effort, so they can at least wrack up some of the smaller rewards. That’s perfect if you ask me. The problem with Leagues right now is entirely entitlement, unfortunately, the game has pushed that entitlement because “it’s a casual game” and “everyone can be a hero”. They finally added ONE thing that pvpers can use for a little ounce of prestige and PVErs and entitled solo-quing casuals feel they MUST be able to reach legendary or it shouldn’t exist at all… I hate to come off as harsh, but why?

The only valid excuse/complaint I see currently is that the PVE legendary back piece isn’t in the game yet. And I agree, that’s annoying, but beyond that, it’s ONE prestigious thing in the game… Just let it be…

I play pvp not for the backpiece – couldn’t care less about it. This response doesn’t sound harsh, it sounds pompous.

To be at legendary in seas 2 is not something u should feel particularly proud over and be so snobby or elitist over. This is the one season in rpvp when ur win actually seems like it doesn’t mean much – u rode the win train to glory – bfd. How much was due to your actual skill and how much was due to coding – pitting you with winning players against losing players – seems like a glorified fun fest for you and misery for those caught in the losing train.

For you to really feel elitist and proud, and for someone like me to actually admire you, I would suggest this gameplay – 100% solo que, totally random match-ups on both teams. No ability to ts or coordinate or reroll or mod/manipulate. Individual wins/pips are then matched up and the people rise to the top – is it a grind? Perhaps But it is then much more indicative of your personal skill and if ur in the No.1 team then, composed of only players who are also at same win/pip total, then I will admire you then and you can feel free to lord it over everyone.

Until then, I would suggest several things:

This system now promotes team IWAY type of play and everyone saw what happened in gw1 HOH after iway became the only way to play – it was the highway for everyone else and it was a ghost town long before the game died;

Modesty and humbleness would serve you well, as you just sound like an elitist who doesn’t really deserve it and you prolly got there by gimmicks, or riding coding designed win streaks so w/e;

Deliberately tank your win/loss mmr rating – get it really low on purpose – then carve your way back up to legendary – stream it and prove it – you claim you’re where you are from skill alone, so do it – prove it. If you’re as good as you say you should easily be able to sail thru to legend or certainly diamond before seas 2 ends, even if you start today, just be sure your win loss is about 46% or lower when in amber. Once you do this, and prove it (stream it), then you will have my respect. However, I would genuinely like to hear what your experience is like in doing this – was it fun? was it demoralizing? did you get better? was it frustrating? did you feel like your personal skill served you or helped clueless teammates? did you like playing pro level better? did you like playing like a pro with noobs who said you don’t know how to play (cus they will). Just curious.

Otherwise, maybe you should think about shutting up, cuz u know not what you’re talking about – ur only spouting off from the preferred coding win train and it doesn’t sit very well with many of us who got fed into the machine for reasons having nothing to do with our personal skill levels.

Its funny that you think its prestigious to be at the top with your backpiece right now. I don’t covet it, and I’m not sour grapes. Gratz to you that you got it and that you feel the way you do about it – that is sincere. However, my gaming experience in pvp has been ruined. So I hope it was worth it to you. And I’m truly wondering why, of all things, you should feel prestige about it – I don’t think anyone at the top, given the current coding and winning begets winning and losing begets losing designed system, should feel particularly proud of their winnings. If it were me, I would be kinda ashamed (imo) cuz I would know that my quick wins doomed some players to a hell that they may never be able to carve out of ever (especially if anet doesn’t reset mmr or redesign the system) – and believe me, that hell is not fun. Not fun. Do you hear me? Is it getting thru? Its not fun – and this is supposed to be a fun game for everyone . Fun = you know, a game. Fun. This is not fun! But how nice for you! Surely there must be a better way for you to prove ur mettle as the fantastic player I’m sure you are, and for me to still have fun doing something I used to love in a game I used to love.

I couldn’t have explained it better!

This is NOT fun anymore, very frustrating and I would agree on not being able to form teams. Let legendaries reach their ranks alone, it would be fun to see.

As far as matching is concerned, I am almost always placed with people that are learning and the outcome is obvious.

I have less than 24% win rates which makes me hate this game profoundly.

I don’t know if everyone realizes it yet but if you are a solo player your only purpose in pvp these days is to keep a steady supply of people for premades to farm so they get quick queue times and have fun farming noobs and the few unfortunates who get thrown in with the team of noobs. And the creators know this they made it that way on purpose , so either enjoy getting farmed or just quit like I have.

I’ve got like a 80% win rate in solo q right now. guess my job is to farm premades.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

You sound really good. I’m stuck in Ruby despite this:

Or maybe that’s the expected area Rubies are supposed to be.

im really not that good…. but neither are most of the other people playing this game.

no idea what that number means… is that your ping?

That’s reaction time, you need to click when it turns green as fast as you can. Lower is obviously better and the lower the score the better reflexes you have for interrupts and activating combo fields.

i can see how that might be a good indicator of reflexes….but i dont think clicking one thing in a very large target is a good indicator of anything to do with this game tbh

I stopped que’ing for ranked after watching team mates going afk in the respawn point for close 5 days in a row.

Unranked spvp is still fun though. And so far, much higher quality matches: closer scores, and no afk’ers at all.

I’m about half way through diamond solo queue and from what I can see the balance still needs work. I just had a match vs a guild and it went horribly with my pugs running all over the map confused about what they should do as the guild team coordinated their movements on ts. To really have a balance we would need a solo queue option where only solo queue players can enter. It seems the deck will be stacked against solo queue players until this happens.

Yes, I could still get to onyx if I get decent teams and don’t hit strong premades too often, and other people have done so as well, its just been done at a great disadvantage and feels like to avoid this disadvantage you have to hunt down a decent team and make a premade yourself.

eh I’ve only been beat in soloq once by a guild team. Usually its the other way around, they are so bad, and if I get put on as their 4th or 5th I lose because of them. Its because they usually bring emeralds and saphires up in diamond. @ves

Another thing that can help for solo queueing though is when you do go up against a premade team add a few to friends list and avoid queueing up while they are in heart of the mist,

@bird the team we went up against has Apex tag and were pretty good.

I took a break from PVP after some rotten experiences in sapphire, and when I came back, I made it through the ranks in ruby pretty quickly. After the last few days though, I decided to uninstall the game completely so I won’t be tempted to return to a mode so incredibly toxic.

The number of AFKs seems to be increasingly dramatically, and people are turning on each other at the drop of a hat. The number of times I’ve seen people lash out at me, or other players, is getting to be ridiculous. It’s like playing on X-Box Live. A fifty point deficit is not grounds for insulting teammates, but that’s just the prevailing attitude among a large number of players.

I’ve reported plenty of rotten players, but I see them continuously playing, with no punishment for afking or harassing others. I guess it would hurt the already 5 minute plus wait times, but what’s the point of getting into games quicker just means getting to play with the same rotten people?

Luckily there’s literally nothing making me want to play the game right now, so it’s not too tough to say goodbye. I still feel like a sucker paying $50 for an unfinished expansion, but I guess I only have to make that mistake once.

^This.

It’s a comp that rewards smurfing, that rewards losing, that has seen an increase in hacking, toxic behavior and verified reports of bribing. All of which anet knew would happen at the start of the season because they discussed these things on twitch.

I played nearly everyday last season. This season I’ve gone whole weeks without playing a single game. It’s a suckers game.

A lot of the above issues will get solved, if Anet dissolve SoloQ in Ranked games. Ranked games should always be in full team which will mean people will fight in Guild teams or with friends whom they meet over hotjoin, Unranked or anywhere else and like to play with as such, and in fact it will actually add to the value of the Game’s name as Guild Wars. SoloQ is more of a lottery and nothing else…and PvP is and has to be a team game.

I noticed better games in Unranked also. Ranked games can be quite bad, because the backpiece is drawing players, of different skill levels, to it.

I’ve been casually playing in Ranked, making my way up, as I’m not really bothered about the backpiece. I did however get a pug of great people. After the game, we all teamed up in HoTM, as we had a good comp and we all managed to work really well together.

We won all the games that we played together. We did get a mixed bag of opponents obviously. 1 team had a d/c, so it was a 4v5, but they put up a real good fight and made us work for it. Another game didn’t seem balanced at all, as me and 1 of the other guys in the team, decided to go kill their lord as the score was like 370-50 in our favour. We managed to kill their lord, with their entire team not being able to stop us.

I can see completely why people are being thrown off PvP, given how 1 sided a lot of games can be. Your first step into PvP isn’t exactly easy. Even for the experienced players (like they’ve mentioned above), are having issues with MM, causing a lot of frustration.

I honestly don’t know what to suggest. Solo Q and Team Q are obvious, but they removed the queues and merged them, because the PvP population wasn’t big enough to have the seperate queues.

Something needs to be done to reinvigorate PvP. I don’t think another backpiece is going to do it in the future, as the current one has already done the damage. It brought in PvE players, but then turned them off. I know it’s also caused grief for PvP players also, but I don’t think it’s done a good job of bringing in fresh PvP players, or keep them at least.