Guild Wars 2

Yes, please remove it. It’s doesn’t feel like a competitive type of gameplay at all. Most people i know hate this map.

That map hurts new players who are willing to learn how to pvp in a competitive manner.

As 33% of people do not want Skyhammer removed from Solo Queue, a better option would be to let us “blacklist” one map (like in WoW). Giving people the choice of which map (if any) they want to block.

They should remove Sky Hammer, It’s a fun hot join style of conquest;however, it’s not the type of map that should be present for Arenas…. A couple of ways It could be fixed:

1) Drop the damage done by the hammer by 50%
2) Ability to permanently destroy the hammer (level 80 champ health pool)
Can only be destroyed by the enemy team.
3) With the exception of around point A & C remove the glass floor panels.
4) Entering the portal to the hammer removes all buffs (stealth included) Minions/spirits/ npc allies are instant killed on entering.

Wolfey.3407:

They should remove Sky Hammer, It’s a fun hot join style of conquest;however, it’s not the type of map that should be present for Arenas…. A couple of ways It could be fixed:

1) Drop the damage done by the hammer by 50%
2) Ability to permanently destroy the hammer (level 80 champ health pool)
Can only be destroyed by the enemy team.
3) With the exception of around point A & C remove the glass floor panels.
4) Entering the portal to the hammer removes all buffs (stealth included) Minions/spirits/ npc allies are instant killed on entering.

Just the ability to dodge or block the hammer would been nice.

god I hate sky hammer, not even because i die frequently it’s just such an annoying map piled with crap tons of randoms (most not knowing what to do) and plenty of buggy map area’s.

Have you ever been perma-stunned or “bodied” by a random pull from someone pulling you toward them (on those glass droppers) and cant move or do anything? I have multiple times and people abuse it (not many know it yet though).

@OP:

I think it is pretty well established that the majority of players hate the map. The issue is that the majority of ANET thinks it is a good map. Until they realize they are wrong, it will stay.

OFC it should be removed. Anet knows this but they refuse. They also know it isn’t a good map, let’s not be so delusional to think they actually think it is great. Rather, they spent a lot of man-hours making it and they can’t bring themselves to shelve it.

Since it isn’t going away I wish they’d spend a few more hours to clean it up so that it becomes a good/decent map. Revise the hammer to fire faster but make it dodge-able. Remove all the small glass panels and only have the 2 large panels on each side. This might be enough to make the map reasonable.

Hate is not a strong enough word to describe my feelings toward this map…..

I’m very new to sPvP (just started this weekend!) and only been in hotjoin so far, so can somebody explain to me why Skyhammer is so hated?

Jasher.6580:

Look at the Engineers, Thieves and Mesmers saying “Yes, Leave It”… lol kittenbags.

I play mesmer and I voted for it to be removed…

I don’t even like using focus, and although I use greatsword, I dislike the map in solo queue simply because it is both badly balanced and very buggy at the moment. Heck, for all the mesmer hate, mesmer sword #3 (Illusionary leap) is horribly buggy on this map, more so than any other map or zone in the game for me.

That said, I don’t actually hate the map in general, I think that it’s a very fun and enjoyable hotjoin map where much fun and trolling can be had in an environment where you can only bruise Egos and not leaderboard rankings. However, the map has no place in any matchmaking system that even simply claims to be competitive.

Zaxares.5419:

I’m very new to sPvP (just started this weekend!) and only been in hotjoin so far, so can somebody explain to me why Skyhammer is so hated?

Because in solo queue, player are ranked based on their performance and gain greatly increased rewards for a win, so the pressure for maps to be balanced in such an environment is much greater. Unfortunately, skyhammer, for all its fun mechanics and pretty setpieces, is not in any way balanced. The ability to push/pull someone off the edge of the map, or onto one of the innumerable flimsy platforms over the abyss frequently means that fights are determined not by who plays the best, but rather by who brings the most knockbacks and pulls. Thieves, engineers and mesmers all have fairly significant access to low cast time, unblockable pulls and CCs that allow them to win fights without really even fighting. It is unimaginably frustrating to be sitting on a side point in skyhammer, only to have an enemy engineer stealth, then magnet pull you onto a breakable platform causing your instant, and relatively unavoidable demise. Such mechanics do nothing to promote player skill, co-operation or build diversity, all things that are integral to a healthy PvP environment.

so yeah… that’s basically it. A lot of what you will see is mindless rage, however, there are actually reasons behind the rage, and IMO, anet would be wise to listen to them in this matter.

Julie Yann.5379:

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

This is all very nice but you forgot the data. Never forget the data.

I wonder what data they are collecting to come to the conclusion that this map is enjoyable and that people want to play it.

Their data is how many laughs it produces while watching their player base rage.

@Polismassa: Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the information. During my two visits to that map, I did notice that if I happened to get stunned on one of those glass/energy windows, it was basically instant death, and I thought the grace duration was a bit short.

Id like to make a point.

The “Remove Skyhammer” percentage is actually higher than the poll shows. Keep in mind that many people has quit GW2 because of this map and they don’t visit the forums anymore.

I’m sure, however, that many people would come back if this aberration was removed.

Remove the map altogether or I’ll just make accounts and report people for trolling at the skyhammer. I can afford it.

Skyhammer should work the way trebuchet or cannons work.

Im still waiting for the devs to remove this topic.

I rather have the water map back than Skyhammer.

Remove the glass and add barriers. Make the cannon evadable. Either that or remove the map, it isn’t fun in this state.

I solo que in the team arena just to avoid skyhammer and spirit watch, as do a lot of people I noticed, pretty rare to see an actual team anymore and being on a team it’s even rarer to face another team on TS

Getting close to 1800, I think it’s pretty clear that we don’t want this kitten.

This thread is still not deleted? Either mods stopped giving a kitten, or no one from devs are reading anything we write.

The map is ok.
The skyhammer is not.

Keep the map, but do one or a combination of the following:

- lower the damage
- make evades, dodges, and blocks work against it
- remove the CC
- reduce the radius of the blast
- increase the radius of the points

I wonder how long can anet ignore their community

Reviving this thread in memory for the Bazaar of the Four Winds that gave us this awful map. Pls remove it in soloq.

This map has to be the least fun experience I’ve ever had in an online game. It just is the pinnacle of trashy design. I’d rather have capricorn in solo queue than this.

Almost 2000 votes and more than 2/3 want it removed.

Now 2000 votes is a representative sample and while I do think the poll needed a “undecided/don’t care” option I do believe it reflects the communities wishes.

Dee Jay.2460:

Almost 2000 votes and more than 2/3 want it removed.

Now 2000 votes is a representative sample and while I do think the poll needed a “undecided/don’t care” option I do believe it reflects the communities wishes.

2000 is about the average amount of people that watched ToL NA,

Lukin.4061:

This thread is still not deleted? Either mods stopped giving a kitten, or no one from devs are reading anything we write.

Allie isnt here anymore thats why, I dont think Mark comes around these parts anymore either

Dear Anet:

68% of your population hates this single map. This means 68% of your customers don’t like your product.

There are many threads in your forums poping up every day about the removal of Skyhammer.

The main skyhammer thread has over 4000 views and many pages filled with complains.

This map is very well known for glory farm abuse and other exploits. There are many other bugs related to knockbacks. Also, sometimes you fall down and you are not killed so you cannot respawn.

Many hardcore PvPers have quit the game and this map was one of the reasons.

Skyhammer was released on July 9th. After almost 1 year the hate towards it is still growing.

Ive been busy as hell and have taken a break from this game for a while now. I have come back, the meta is better, the UI is better, the megaserver thing is awesome. Things seem so much better.

With all that said, how is Skyhammer still in solo que? The outcry has been tremendous and I am very surprised that this issue hasn’t been addressed in some shape or form. That map isn’t fun for a large amount of the community (including myself) and on top of that, Skyhammer games consistently have had more AFK’s, logoffs, and lopsided-noncompetitive matches than any other map in Solo Que.

Please address this issue. Implement a map voting system, or a veto system, or remove it from the solo que rotation. I know people worked a lot on the map and they want it to work but the simple fact is the map is unbalanced and a black sheep among a majority of your core pvp community. We really need some sort of action here

—Clown Shoez

Oh I’d rather see ANet address some of the balance issues in PvP before they start removing maps from solo queues.

CureForLiving.5360:

Oh I’d rather see ANet address some of the balance issues in PvP before they start removing maps from solo queues.

Actually skyhammer itself is already a source of imbalance

5 engis team can beat anything there

How many total votes did the other poll have?

This one is close to 2k

Marcos.3690:

CureForLiving.5360:

Oh I’d rather see ANet address some of the balance issues in PvP before they start removing maps from solo queues.

Actually skyhammer itself is already a source of imbalance

5 engis team can beat anything there

That tells you more about the engis than skyhammer.

Maybe the chinese people will love it…so that could be a reason =P
#removeskyhammerplsplsplspls

I played solo queues last night and got skyhammer. I got so angry during the match that I got a headache. This map is affecting my health.

I support this thread. That being said, I couldn’t express how angry I would be if this actually worked. And trust me I want skyhammer gone. However in my opinion, the sheer ignorance the devs have towards doing anything about this map, despite all the threads, despite all the polls like this one is beyond words.

I remember having a argument with Allie about this, and her defense was “well there are only so many people that check the forums, so the numbers aren’t adequate”. My response to that is the runes of perplexity trying to weasel it’s way into Spvp. The community had just as much of a impact on perplexity runes on the forums as our hatred for skyhammer. So why isn’t there a change? What is it going to take? I don’t even know why I try. kitten it.

Countless

Neptune.2570:

Remove the glass and add barriers. Make the cannon evadable. Either that or remove the map, it isn’t fun in this state.

I would also scale cannon damage to max hp per person, so that damage that tickles warrior doesn’t take 90% of naked ele hp.

Julie Yann.5379:

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025:

This is all very nice but you forgot the data. Never forget the data.

I wonder what data they are collecting to come to the conclusion that this map is enjoyable and that people want to play it.

Everyone ever, aside from the people who get on the forums to complain. The map is brilliant and many people love it. And I play an Ele so don’t dish out that, “you must be an engineer” crap.

MightyMicah.7451:

Everyone ever, aside from the people who get on the forums to complain. The map is brilliant and many people love it. And I play an Ele so don’t dish out that, “you must be an engineer” crap.

The map is great, just not suited for competitive matches. All anyone is asking is for it to be unranked only.

Honestly I’m surprised the poll has such a clear outcome. The map is really fine for every situation EXCEPT the top five or ten percent of solo queue. Below that, no one has discovered the truly troll builds yet, or they have the decency to not run them.

Only really low rated/hotjoin players love it (just look up the guys that are possitive about it). So just keep it in hotjoin and/or at lower rating.

You dont get placed in matches where everyone tries to pull or push every couple of seconds or they arent as slick with it either at lower MMR. So it seems to be less of an issue since you can easily avoid pulls and pushes from guys that dont set it up with stealth or stunns/pindowns.

I played matches at decent MMR where 3 different ppl attempted to pull or push me 3 times within the timespan of 5-10 seconds. Youll feel like somewhat of a pinpong ball at times.

It goes so far that the normal gameplay gets replaced by pull and push gameplay. Where i (as engineer) just run back and forward between close, far and canon and push and pull people off. And there is nothing they can do in most cases (thats the worst thing about it).

I think this experiment has mostly run its course. Thanks to Julie Yann, Jasher, and Locuz among others for helping to keep the thread alive. I didn’t expect this thread to get so many responses, and I didn’t know what to expect with the survey results. I hope the devs find a meaningful way to judge the community’s opinion on skyhammer in solo queue so they can (hopefully) remove it.

Maybe we can get 2,000 votes too.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-new-skyhammer-pvp-map/
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So I found out from this article that Tyler Bearce and Darrin Claypool are not necessarily the ones to be blamed for the atrocity that is skyhammer (even though they designed it)… but the blame falls on the playtesters.
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Apparently…

“We’ve gotten a lot of positive feedback from our playtesters,” Bearce says. “Pretty much as soon as we threw this in for testing, our internal playtesters said, ‘This has to go on Live.’”

Claypool adds, “People who have played this map already have been more excited about playing PvP. Skyhammer has a really dynamic, old-school feel; like a Quake map.”
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I shall now begin the witch hunt to find these “playtesters”…
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On a serious note, I got skyhammer tonight. I hate it so much. I hate it so very much. I just bought a new laptop and I felt like punching the screen in every time I got pulled or knocked off the map.

Interesting, every time I talk about skyhammer I say that it belongs in a quake game.

XacTactX.6709:

Maybe we can get 2,000 votes too.

It’s a real possibility, It’s sitting at 1920 at the moment. Getting an infraction for bumping this is worth it.

It’s okay to have casuals test these things, but there HAVE to also be competitive/semi-hardcore people among the playtesters. A healthy mix would work best.

Unless you have direct quotes from players on the actual server, you don’t actually know what was said by playtesters. For example, all playtesters say “OH MY GOD THIS IS kitten DO NOT PUT THIS ON LIVE”, on release “playtesters had really passionate and excited feedback on this”. Its PR twisting at worst, at best its simply people seeing what they want to; they did work kitten this map, whether it is competitive or balanced or not, and I can see why players who weren’t thinking “lets throw this in the tPvP queue!” would enjoy the map.

Not trying to say that is what happened here, but this is exactly what happened with Dhuumfire: all the PvPers said it was an awful idea, all the PvE players (and at least some of the WvW players) wanted it. So obviously they threw it in.

I really enjoy sky hammer, even after getting pulled off multiple times by ostrich. The map does have some great escape, evade, and wtf moments that’s its really quite enjoyable. I played it several times in solo que tonight, and it was not an issue for me but others complained. Perhaps it should not be in solo or team que, but the map is definitely fun.

Map is fine

But only in Hotjoin