Guild Wars 2

In otherwords, let me have more easy kills.

How about no?

Not sure of your exact meaning there Rizzy… Didn’t ask for more skills, or to be able to kill anything easier, I asked for a slight nerf in existing skills of another class that basically is able to engage 3 or 4 other players, disappear, heal, then re-engage. How about, think, consider, then post?

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

I see what you’re saying there ace… I am speaking of WvW and did not think of it in PvP or PvE arenas; however, any class (in WvW) where an individual can keep re-engaging over and over is ridiculous. I just watched such a match from a tower. 1 Necro, 1 War, and 1 Ele all attacking 1 Thief. For ~8 minutes, they all battled 3 v 1. No one died; the thief just kept disappearing, then healing, then re-engaging. Possibly applying such a nerf as mentioned previously only in WvW areas would be more appropriate?

RebelYell.7132:

Put in a PvP/PvE skill split before we start nerfing professions that aren’t yet on par with the Warrior, please. -1

So, in this sentence, are you saying this like puhleeeeaaasse? If so, are you saying that the Thief is not on par with the Warrior, as in the Warrior is more powerful than a thief as it exists today?

either remove stealth or remove the thiefs mobiliy. Or cut its damage by 90%.

RebelYell.7132:

Put in a PvP/PvE skill split before we start nerfing professions that aren’t yet on par with the Warrior, please. -1

Thi—Thief isn’t… par with warrior…

Sorry, sorry, I can’t… Laughing too hard.

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

Prozac Master.1825:

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

General PvE, especialy while lvl’ing, yup thief(especialy compared to Ele/Engi) is alot easier.

Go do dungeons, A war can do alot more dmg and wistand alot more. Thiefs are getting one of the weakest classes in the game, they are annoying in wvw, idd, but not op.

I suggest all Mesmers shouldn’t be able to use clones, rly annoying, eles shouldn’t be able to be a Cannon(they aren’t glass at all), necros shouldn’t have marks/wells or pets, those are really annoying, the same with the ranger pet and it’s aoe’s. Guardians shouldn’t take a hour to kill, wariors should do less dmg in general PvE, engis turrets are really annoying aswell, so are his mines and most of it’s kits, remove them.

but still always the thief, People don’t have a problem with Spies in Tf2, they have alot more stealth, transform into allies and 1-shot people, The GW2 thief has very limited stealth, can’t turn into allies and don’t 1-shot most people(if you are glass cannon in WvW, well yeah)

I’dd say the problem lies with: the people who don’t play thiefs and A-net for giving into these people.

So you’re talking about the heal?

wouw.5837:

Prozac Master.1825:

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

General PvE, especialy while lvl’ing, yup thief(especialy compared to Ele/Engi) is alot easier.

Go do dungeons, A war can do alot more dmg and wistand alot more. Thiefs are getting one of the weakest classes in the game, they are annoying in wvw, idd, but not op.

I suggest all Mesmers shouldn’t be able to use clones, rly annoying, eles shouldn’t be able to be a Cannon(they aren’t glass at all), necros shouldn’t have marks/wells or pets, those are really annoying, the same with the ranger pet and it’s aoe’s. Guardians shouldn’t take a hour to kill, wariors should do less dmg in general PvE, engis turrets are really annoying aswell, so are his mines and most of it’s kits, remove them.

but still always the thief, People don’t have a problem with Spies in Tf2, they have alot more stealth, transform into allies and 1-shot people, The GW2 thief has very limited stealth, can’t turn into allies and don’t 1-shot most people(if you are glass cannon in WvW, well yeah)

I’dd say the problem lies with: the people who don’t play thiefs and A-net for giving into these people.

Maybe the problem here is the acronym OP. So, i’ll say it like this. If a character, in WvW, can stand against 3 to 4 other players, and, basically disappear and heal, disappear and heal, rinse and repeat, over and over while re-engaging, that’s not just annoying, it’s ridiculous. I watched this happen, and have been in these battles. I was engaged by a thief while playing my ele. Same thing, over and over, for like 9 minutes. I basically got tired of the fight, then he chased me, forever, with crips and backstabs until i finally just stopped, let him kill me, and then wp’d to another location. If OP is overkill, then annoying is an understatement.

Prozac Master.1825:

Maybe the problem here is the acronym OP. So, i’ll say it like this. If a character, in WvW, can stand against 3 to 4 other players, and, basically disappear and heal, disappear and heal, rinse and repeat, over and over while re-engaging, that’s not just annoying, it’s ridiculous. I watched this happen, and have been in these battles. I was engaged by a thief while playing my ele. Same thing, over and over, for like 9 minutes. I basically got tired of the fight, then he chased me, forever, with crips and backstabs until i finally just stopped, let him kill me, and then wp’d to another location. If OP is overkill, then annoying is an understatement.

The only way a Thief is going to face 3 to 4 people and not die is if

• The group is disorganised
• The group lacks CC
• The group consists of mostly upleveled characters

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Prozac Master.1825:

I see what you’re saying there ace… I am speaking of WvW and did not think of it in PvP or PvE arenas; however, any class (in WvW) where an individual can keep re-engaging over and over is ridiculous. I just watched such a match from a tower. 1 Necro, 1 War, and 1 Ele all attacking 1 Thief. For ~8 minutes, they all battled 3 v 1. No one died; the thief just kept disappearing, then healing, then re-engaging. Possibly applying such a nerf as mentioned previously only in WvW areas would be more appropriate?

a necro ele and warrior not able to kill a thief in 8 mins… well sorry but those ppl must suck really hard, both ele and necro have a LOT of aoe’s, and warriors some good aoe’s too, which is one of the best counters to thieves using stealth a lot, he goes stealth, well spam that aoe around the area where he did and you are sure to hit him and kill him, so yeah you cant really do anything about ppl being stupid, stealth is not invincibility, oh and have the necro throw tons of condition on him, as those will keep ticking while he is in stealth too, unless he ahve that trait that heals him but a necro should still b able to throw enough out that it will take a while before they all get cleansed in his stealth

Olba.5376:

Prozac Master.1825:

Maybe the problem here is the acronym OP. So, i’ll say it like this. If a character, in WvW, can stand against 3 to 4 other players, and, basically disappear and heal, disappear and heal, rinse and repeat, over and over while re-engaging, that’s not just annoying, it’s ridiculous. I watched this happen, and have been in these battles. I was engaged by a thief while playing my ele. Same thing, over and over, for like 9 minutes. I basically got tired of the fight, then he chased me, forever, with crips and backstabs until i finally just stopped, let him kill me, and then wp’d to another location. If OP is overkill, then annoying is an understatement.

The only way a Thief is going to face 3 to 4 people and not die is if

• The group is disorganised
• The group lacks CC
• The group consists of mostly upleveled characters

Not true at all, I’ve watched it plenty of times, I’ll try to record the next one.
However; couple questions. So, do you think that it’s ok that a group has to be organized to take down a single character? I did not lack CC skills in my run-ins, however; i also did not skill to have inordinate amounts of them either; meaning, I did not try to just be a thief killer. You’re not suggesting that are you? The group did not consist of mostly up-leveled characters, only way i could prove that i guess would be to try and catch one on video, I’ll give that a shot.

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh come on. Stealth is not the same as invulnerability, by far. How about you try playing your thief outside of PvE?

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Your not really into having a conversation about things are you? You should really be put on some sort of “I have nothing but unsubstantiated insulting remarks” list.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Wow, really, i was just using it as an example, as ele’s and engi’s don’t have stealth, well, engi does if you use smoke bomb and a Bomb or Sheild; but, dude really, you got stealth makes you invincible out of that?

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Wow, really, i was just using it as an example, as ele’s and engi’s don’t have stealth, well, engi does if you use smoke bomb and a Bomb or Sheild; but, dude really, you got stealth makes you invincible out of that?

Also, I’m working on a thief now, and I do not have 30 second recharges bc of my skill allotments.

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Your not really into having a conversation about things are you? You should really be put on some sort of “I have nothing but unsubstantiated insulting remarks” list.

Oh I am, trust me I’m actively conversing with thieves on the thief forums and I dont even main a thief.

But all I see here is you, complaining about how an already easy to kill class is OP because you lack the skills to flush them out when they’re invisible because you dont know the difference between inVISIble and inVINCIble.

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Wow, really, i was just using it as an example, as ele’s and engi’s don’t have stealth, well, engi does if you use smoke bomb and a Bomb or Sheild; but, dude really, you got stealth makes you invincible out of that?

Oh and example is it. wow how could I have totally missed that.
Aside from the point the examples were pretty stupid and I got the point that it was an example a stupid example.

Prozac Master.1825:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Wow, really, i was just using it as an example, as ele’s and engi’s don’t have stealth, well, engi does if you use smoke bomb and a Bomb or Sheild; but, dude really, you got stealth makes you invincible out of that?

Also, I’m working on a thief now, and I do not have 30 second recharges bc of my skill allotments.

Orly?!

Do pray tell what the recharge for Hide in Shadows is for you, considering you’re level 11 and only have 1 trait point. :>

Because I’m about to call shenanigans here.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Your not really into having a conversation about things are you? You should really be put on some sort of “I have nothing but unsubstantiated insulting remarks” list.

Oh I am, trust me I’m actively conversing with thieves on the thief forums and I dont even main a thief.

But all I see here is you, complaining about how an already easy to kill class is OP because you lack the skills to flush them out when they’re invisible because you dont know the difference between inVISIble and inVINCIble.

lol, you are a troll, go away, or better yet, show me your thief killing skills so I can learn something then.

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Your not really into having a conversation about things are you? You should really be put on some sort of “I have nothing but unsubstantiated insulting remarks” list.

Oh I am, trust me I’m actively conversing with thieves on the thief forums and I dont even main a thief.

But all I see here is you, complaining about how an already easy to kill class is OP because you lack the skills to flush them out when they’re invisible because you dont know the difference between inVISIble and inVINCIble.

lol, you are a troll, go away, or better yet, show me your thief killing skills so I can learn something then.

LOL here goes the
“You’re trolling because your points are actually based on logic and facts and mine are based off my feelies”

And I’m the one whose not interested in having a conversation. LOL.

You want pro tips on thief killing, go watch youtube.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh stealth makes you invincible now? O.O
Wow that… is OP indeed.

Wow you mean like when you use Obsidian flesh and a heal at the same time? Oo

I mean 30 seconds to hide in shadows for a thief is just WAAAAAY too OP right, should be once every 50 seconds like obsidian flesh. :>

Lets just take it out of the game completely :>

Wow, really, i was just using it as an example, as ele’s and engi’s don’t have stealth, well, engi does if you use smoke bomb and a Bomb or Sheild; but, dude really, you got stealth makes you invincible out of that?

Also, I’m working on a thief now, and I do not have 30 second recharges bc of my skill allotments.

Orly?!

Do pray tell what the recharge for Hide in Shadows is for you, considering you’re level 11 and only have 1 trait point. :>

Because I’m about to call shenanigans here.

Uhh, because Hide in Shadows isn’t the only skill i use.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

acedragonz.9387:

Thought, considered & this is the post. Thieves are not OP at all. They are average in PvE, a bit annoying in WvW & an easy kill in PvP. If you’re next question is if I play a thief, than the answer is no not anymore. They already got nerfed by increasing their revealed time I don’t see why Thieves should get another nerf towards their stealth ability.

No, I don’t really care if you play a thief, i mean, we can all play a thief, I currently have an Engineer (80), Elementalist (80), and am working on… wait for it…. Thief (11). Even at level 11 I can play my thief in PvE with very little threat of dying, i just disappear and heal up, then go at it again. I’m just thinking it’s not really balanced.

LOL
Because level 11 zones are so hard.

Point of thread – Nerf thieves so I can kill em easier plox.

Your not really into having a conversation about things are you? You should really be put on some sort of “I have nothing but unsubstantiated insulting remarks” list.

Oh I am, trust me I’m actively conversing with thieves on the thief forums and I dont even main a thief.

But all I see here is you, complaining about how an already easy to kill class is OP because you lack the skills to flush them out when they’re invisible because you dont know the difference between inVISIble and inVINCIble.

lol, you are a troll, go away, or better yet, show me your thief killing skills so I can learn something then.

LOL here goes the
“You’re trolling because your points are actually based on logic and mine are based off my feelies”

And I’m the one whose not interested in having a conversation. LOL.

lol, ignoring your constant previous insulting mannerisms… seriously dude, let the grown-ups talk now.

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

Olba.5376:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh come on. Stealth is not the same as invulnerability, by far. How about you try playing your thief outside of PvE?

I hear ya, perhaps not the best example… but since you can’t target them, then all the thief need do is move a slight distance away and they can’t be hurt, then, they move back in after healing. correct?

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Prozac Master.1825:

Olba.5376:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh come on. Stealth is not the same as invulnerability, by far. How about you try playing your thief outside of PvE?

I hear ya, perhaps not the best example… but since you can’t target them, then all the thief need do is move a slight distance away and they can’t be hurt, then, they move back in after healing. correct?

Also, as soon as I get to where I can wear decent armor and have the skills, my plan is to do wvw with mine.

If it took an elementalist, a necromancer and a warrior 8 minutes to fight a thief off then those three are either incredibly bad and refused to bring any CC, AoE or damaging skills or the thief is actually the best player in the world at anything.

1 stun is all it should have taken for a build of those 3 professions to take out a thief, even if they where upleveled 1 stun would probably have been enough.

But sure, nerf thief even more however you also have to nerf everyone elses ability to go 1vX against bad players as well, so what nerfs do you want for the other 7 professions?

Prozac Master.1825:

Prozac Master.1825:

Olba.5376:

Prozac Master.1825:

Dual.8953:

So you’re talking about the heal?

Well, I’m more talking about the ability to engage, heal, engage, heal.

I see it like this… as an ele, what if i was able to create an invulnerable shield, then I would heal while my invulnerable shield was up, then, my Invulnerable shield would recharge fairly quickly (based on skill allotment ofc), but until it did, i had a mini-invulnerable shield to keep me alive, allowing only a few seconds of dmg before I could then reuse my invulnerable shield. Would that be okay?

Oh come on. Stealth is not the same as invulnerability, by far. How about you try playing your thief outside of PvE?

I hear ya, perhaps not the best example… but since you can’t target them, then all the thief need do is move a slight distance away and they can’t be hurt, then, they move back in after healing. correct?

Also, as soon as I get to where I can wear decent armor and have the skills, my plan is to do wvw with mine.

Oh yes if you get past the level 11 with your magical 1 trait point which somehow cuts down the recharge time of Hide in Shadows to less than 30 Seconds

Dasorine.1964:

If it took an elementalist, a necromancer and a warrior 8 minutes to fight a thief off then those three are either incredibly bad and refused to bring any CC, AoE or damaging skills or the thief is actually the best player in the world at anything.

1 stun is all it should have taken for a build of those 3 professions to take out a thief, even if they where upleveled 1 stun would probably have been enough.

But sure, nerf thief even more however you also have to nerf everyone elses ability to go 1vX against bad players as well, so what nerfs do you want for the other 7 professions?

It’s a good thing his main and my main are the same profession.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Ask-a-Thief/first#post1814665

As the post stands, stop asking for nerfs, start asking questions on how to counter thief. L2p.

Wana know how pathetic most thieves are? I watched one go stealth, on my warrior, and 2 seconds later I used Earthshaker. He appeared, stunned. Switch to lb (although other sources work too) and immobilized him. Then continued to smack him to death because he thought his glass cannon insta-gib build was gana work. Even a good thief isn’t that threatening, because they will likely burn their cd and/or initiative and become useless after that. You really have some problems if you think thief, the most nerfed profession in the game, is at all op. Point the finger at bunker ele and necro for being nearly unkillable.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Dude, I actually enjoyed your last paragraph, can you try starting without the insults or insinuation, because those were false and have been. I use Shocking Aura on mine, run d/d with cc in that. I would just think that at some point, he wouldn’t be able to keep disappearing, like, maybe only when he’s at at least 50% or something. I don’t think he (the thief i got into the eternal battle with) was that good, because I’ve had other battles that after the 2nd or 3rd disappearance I was toast. And seriously, if the dialogue moves to convince me that it’s a non-sensical idea, I’m ok with that.

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Dude, I actually enjoyed your last paragraph, can you try starting without the insults or insinuation, because those were false and have been. I use Shocking Aura on mine, run d/d with cc in that. I would just think that at some point, he wouldn’t be able to keep disappearing, like, maybe only when he’s at at least 50% or something. I don’t think he (the thief i got into the eternal battle with) was that good, because I’ve had other battles that after the 2nd or 3rd disappearance I was toast. And seriously, if the dialogue moves to convince me that it’s a non-sensical idea, I’m ok with that.

He shouldn’t be able to keep dissapearing?
Just like you shouldn’t be able to keep switching attunements?

Lets face it, what does a thief do when they’re stealth?
NOTHING, they cant attack you.

Stealth is a survival mechanic thieves.
Much like Water attunement is for Eles.

Whats the difference between the 2?

You can change to Water Attunement every 7 seconds if you specced for and you can stealth every 3 seconds after opening an attack.

If you’re dying to Cloak and Dagger attacks only, seriously I need to do an obligatory laugh.

The moment a thief goes out of stealth as a D/D Ele you have SO MANY OPTIONS to CC them.

Frozen burst.
Earth skills 2 – 4
Updraft for when he comes close to Cloak and dagger.

Hide in Shadows removes Conditions bleeding, burning and poison yes, but it does not remove cripple and it does not mean they cant be conditioned while they’re stealthed.

What do you think Fire skills 2 – 4 are for?

NinjaEd.3946:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Ask-a-Thief/first#post1814665

As the post stands, stop asking for nerfs, start asking questions on how to counter thief. L2p.

Wana know how pathetic most thieves are? I watched one go stealth, on my warrior, and 2 seconds later I used Earthshaker. He appeared, stunned. Switch to lb (although other sources work too) and immobilized him. Then continued to smack him to death because he thought his glass cannon insta-gib build was gana work. Even a good thief isn’t that threatening, because they will likely burn their cd and/or initiative and become useless after that. You really have some problems if you think thief, the most nerfed profession in the game, is at all op. Point the finger at bunker ele and necro for being nearly unkillable.

That makes some sense, though, I merely suggested an idea, don’t think it’s right I can’t ask what I want on a particular post, I mean, one could simply not engage if they think it’s not worth their time. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve killed thieves and thieves have killed me, and necros, and warriors etc…. It just seems to me that the ability to stealth, many times over and over is a bit much. btw/// if it makes for less irritable comments I’ll edit the OP.

Prozac Master.1825:

NinjaEd.3946:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Ask-a-Thief/first#post1814665

As the post stands, stop asking for nerfs, start asking questions on how to counter thief. L2p.

Wana know how pathetic most thieves are? I watched one go stealth, on my warrior, and 2 seconds later I used Earthshaker. He appeared, stunned. Switch to lb (although other sources work too) and immobilized him. Then continued to smack him to death because he thought his glass cannon insta-gib build was gana work. Even a good thief isn’t that threatening, because they will likely burn their cd and/or initiative and become useless after that. You really have some problems if you think thief, the most nerfed profession in the game, is at all op. Point the finger at bunker ele and necro for being nearly unkillable.

That makes some sense, though, I merely suggested an idea, don’t think it’s right I can’t ask what I want on a particular post, I mean, one could simply not engage if they think it’s not worth their time. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve killed thieves and thieves have killed me, and necros, and warriors etc…. It just seems to me that the ability to stealth, many times over and over is a bit much. btw/// if it makes for less irritable comments I’ll edit the OP.

There we go, maybe more useful comments will pour in.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Dude, I actually enjoyed your last paragraph, can you try starting without the insults or insinuation, because those were false and have been. I use Shocking Aura on mine, run d/d with cc in that. I would just think that at some point, he wouldn’t be able to keep disappearing, like, maybe only when he’s at at least 50% or something. I don’t think he (the thief i got into the eternal battle with) was that good, because I’ve had other battles that after the 2nd or 3rd disappearance I was toast. And seriously, if the dialogue moves to convince me that it’s a non-sensical idea, I’m ok with that.

He shouldn’t be able to keep dissapearing?
Just like you shouldn’t be able to keep switching attunements?

Lets face it, what does a thief do when they’re stealth?
NOTHING, they cant attack you.

Stealth is a survival mechanic thieves.
Much like Water attunement is for Eles.

Whats the difference between the 2?

You can change to Water Attunement every 7 seconds if you specced for and you can stealth every 3 seconds after opening an attack.

If you’re dying to Cloak and Dagger attacks only, seriously I need to do an obligatory laugh.

The moment a thief goes out of stealth as a D/D Ele you have SO MANY OPTIONS to CC them.

Frozen burst.
Earth skills 2 – 4
Updraft for when he comes close to Cloak and dagger.

Hide in Shadows removes Conditions bleeding, burning and poison yes, but it does not remove cripple and it does not mean they cant be conditioned while they’re stealthed.

What do you think Fire skills 2 – 4 are for?

I usually use 2,3, then 4, switch to earth, 4 then 2 if he’s visible, switch to air for 3 if needed. But, it seems to make little difference.

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Dude, I actually enjoyed your last paragraph, can you try starting without the insults or insinuation, because those were false and have been. I use Shocking Aura on mine, run d/d with cc in that. I would just think that at some point, he wouldn’t be able to keep disappearing, like, maybe only when he’s at at least 50% or something. I don’t think he (the thief i got into the eternal battle with) was that good, because I’ve had other battles that after the 2nd or 3rd disappearance I was toast. And seriously, if the dialogue moves to convince me that it’s a non-sensical idea, I’m ok with that.

He shouldn’t be able to keep dissapearing?
Just like you shouldn’t be able to keep switching attunements?

Lets face it, what does a thief do when they’re stealth?
NOTHING, they cant attack you.

Stealth is a survival mechanic thieves.
Much like Water attunement is for Eles.

Whats the difference between the 2?

You can change to Water Attunement every 7 seconds if you specced for and you can stealth every 3 seconds after opening an attack.

If you’re dying to Cloak and Dagger attacks only, seriously I need to do an obligatory laugh.

The moment a thief goes out of stealth as a D/D Ele you have SO MANY OPTIONS to CC them.

Frozen burst.
Earth skills 2 – 4
Updraft for when he comes close to Cloak and dagger.

Hide in Shadows removes Conditions bleeding, burning and poison yes, but it does not remove cripple and it does not mean they cant be conditioned while they’re stealthed.

What do you think Fire skills 2 – 4 are for?

I usually use 2,3, then 4, switch to earth, 4 then 2 if he’s visible, switch to air for 3 if needed. But, it seems to make little difference.

face palm stop opening with fire.
Air is your closer and guarentees a thief cant smack you with CnD when you use shocking aura and switch to earth which cripples and damage them apon attunement change when you start to bleed them.

Air attunement should be the attunement you stay on OOC.

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Rizzy.8293:

Prozac Master.1825:

Seriously dude, trying to establish dialogue with those who want to discuss rather than try and indicate some ulterior motive that they themselves feel someone else has… so please, quit trying to hijack the conversation. I am actually enjoying insights from the others, so please, just go away, or be constructive.

The only dialogue or rather monologue you’re trying to achieve is how you feel justified on nerfing another class because your skill level isn’t on par with another player.

I’ve been killed by really good Thieves who know how to cut down my mobility as an ele.

Am I complaining about Infiltrator’s strike?

No because those good thieves, know which skills a D/D ELE uses that really hurts and wait for me to use that when I’m at my most vunerable before coming in for the kill.

Does that mean Infiltrator’s strike is OP?
HELL NO.

I aint by any means a “Pro Ele” but I’m smart enough to counter gimmicky builds that people use like using SHOCKING AURA when I get immobilized and cant move so my attacker if hes dumb enough to Melee me with a BACKSTAB gets stunned himself.

Dude, I actually enjoyed your last paragraph, can you try starting without the insults or insinuation, because those were false and have been. I use Shocking Aura on mine, run d/d with cc in that. I would just think that at some point, he wouldn’t be able to keep disappearing, like, maybe only when he’s at at least 50% or something. I don’t think he (the thief i got into the eternal battle with) was that good, because I’ve had other battles that after the 2nd or 3rd disappearance I was toast. And seriously, if the dialogue moves to convince me that it’s a non-sensical idea, I’m ok with that.

He shouldn’t be able to keep dissapearing?
Just like you shouldn’t be able to keep switching attunements?

Lets face it, what does a thief do when they’re stealth?
NOTHING, they cant attack you.

Stealth is a survival mechanic thieves.
Much like Water attunement is for Eles.

Whats the difference between the 2?

You can change to Water Attunement every 7 seconds if you specced for and you can stealth every 3 seconds after opening an attack.

If you’re dying to Cloak and Dagger attacks only, seriously I need to do an obligatory laugh.

The moment a thief goes out of stealth as a D/D Ele you have SO MANY OPTIONS to CC them.

Frozen burst.
Earth skills 2 – 4
Updraft for when he comes close to Cloak and dagger.

Hide in Shadows removes Conditions bleeding, burning and poison yes, but it does not remove cripple and it does not mean they cant be conditioned while they’re stealthed.

What do you think Fire skills 2 – 4 are for?

I usually use 2,3, then 4, switch to earth, 4 then 2 if he’s visible, switch to air for 3 if needed. But, it seems to make little difference.

face palm stop opening with fire.
Air is your closer and guarentees a thief cant smack you with CnD when you use shocking aura and switch to earth which cripples and damage them apon attunement change when you start to bleed them.

Air attunement should be the attunement you stay on OOC.

Well, i’m not necessarily opening with fire, it depends on what I’m doing when it happens… so lets say, I am running with Air toward a tower our zerg may be attacking. We do the norm, build the siege etc., then I switch to fire to start the Might. Then I’m attacked in Fire so I’d do the 2-4. then start switching. Am I correct in assuming that you’d go straight to air, not working within current attunement first? I don’t normally switch to fire first, I was going off of your previous statement as to what 2-4 was for. Do you normally jump to Air regardless of current attunement?

This thread seems to fall more under Player’s helping player’s sub-forum. If you want, post questions/answers on the thread I made awhile back. That or read through and maybe you’ll learn a thing or 2. I used to hate warrior and thought they were “op” back in like november. The 100b frenzy was simply too much for me. Practice and after making my own warrior and learning more about it, I found out the opposite. Warriors were horribly slow and when it came to mobility/dodging they were down right pitiful.

I’d suggest rolling a thief, go to the mists (spvp) and look/use every skill. Learn how they work and what they do internally. After that, look up some of the skills on the gw2 wiki. Some skills have tricks and/or bugs so it helps to know what you’re expecting when player x uses said skill.

Can a thief keep spamming stealth? Sure but the moment they do any direct damage they are revealed for 4 seconds. Also while they’re invisible there are methods to tracking them (not just swinging 1 until the chain starts up). AoE skills that pulse are the best at this (wells, traps, things like meteor or barrage).

NinjaEd,
It falls under players helping players because i had to change the title to un-hijack the conversation. I’ve already rolled a thief and am learning how one is played already. I don’t know if i can move the conversation; however, am not inclined to do so as there were people who seemed personally insulted by the original suggestion and I’m not going to give in to such draconian methods. But, i think you know that, you posted… “As the post stands, stop asking for nerfs, start asking questions on how to counter thief.”

Correction BTW… My thief is lvl 16, forgot I had lvl’d up the other night.

Prozac Master.1825:

I see what you’re saying there ace… I am speaking of WvW and did not think of it in PvP or PvE arenas; however, any class (in WvW) where an individual can keep re-engaging over and over is ridiculous. I just watched such a match from a tower. 1 Necro, 1 War, and 1 Ele all attacking 1 Thief. For ~8 minutes, they all battled 3 v 1. No one died; the thief just kept disappearing, then healing, then re-engaging. Possibly applying such a nerf as mentioned previously only in WvW areas would be more appropriate?

Those three guys sucked. They sucked really bad.

Fuz.5621:

Prozac Master.1825:

I see what you’re saying there ace… I am speaking of WvW and did not think of it in PvP or PvE arenas; however, any class (in WvW) where an individual can keep re-engaging over and over is ridiculous. I just watched such a match from a tower. 1 Necro, 1 War, and 1 Ele all attacking 1 Thief. For ~8 minutes, they all battled 3 v 1. No one died; the thief just kept disappearing, then healing, then re-engaging. Possibly applying such a nerf as mentioned previously only in WvW areas would be more appropriate?

Those three guys sucked. They sucked really bad.

Probably, would like to see it again, hopefully I will and I could record and look for failed counters or missed opportunities.

Thieves are very easy to kill when outnumbered. Like really really easy. Out of a necro, a warrior, and especially an ele, how did not one of them bring any cc?

Thieves in 1v1 are excellent with their burst and also their endurance regen/gain). Stealth is a thief’s version of protection, its the only real protection a thief gets. No reliable or perma regen (like guardian or ele), no potential to get protection (lyssa runes don’t count, thats not a thief thing thats a rune thing), only 1 stability from an elite skill, and no retaliation or aegis. Stealth is our boon, a very special one with many drawbacks. People need to understand why thieves get stealth so well, and also understand invisible =/= invincible.

Truthfully, a d/d ele can do everything a thief can (excluding stealth) and more. Great burst, great sustain, superior mobility, and amazing utility. Has anyone here, who thinks thieves need yet another nerf, tried to 1v1 a good d/d ele? Then come back here and share your horror story.