Guild Wars 2

StormWolf.7645:

There are many reasons not to go on Vent, but no reason whatsoever as to why you can’t work on Map Communication as well as Vent Communication.

Please come to Anvil Rock Teamspeak and tell them this trufax. I’m tired of repeating myself.

Edit:

Conversely, we also have some players who admittedly (they’ve said as much) type like kittens, and can only communicate by voice while fighting in-game. This is why our guilds and alliances provide for both means.

Let’s also not begrudge each other our individual choices.

Anvil Pants.3426:

Please come to Anvil Rock Teamspeak and tell them this trufax. I’m tired of repeating myself.

Edit:

Conversely, we also have some players who admittedly (they’ve said as much) type like kittens, and can only communicate by voice while fighting in-game. This is why our guilds and alliances provide for both means.

Let’s also not begrudge each other our individual choices.

:p As much as I complained about it, I KNOW that I am one of the people who talks on Vent and not enough on Map Chat. I’ve been trying to work on it though…so I forgive myself. My issue is more that I get so focused on the fighting that any “Chat” just disappears for me…It gets quite annoying because I want very badly to do better with Map communication…Was actually considering finding someone to assign watching/typing in Map Chat, just feels kinda like a cop-out.

StormWolf.7645:

My issue is more that I get so focused on the fighting that any “Chat” just disappears for me…It gets quite annoying because I want very badly to do better with Map communication…Was actually considering finding someone to assign watching/typing in Map Chat, just feels kinda like a cop-out.

Some call it “tunnel vision”. I call it “fog of war”.

Either way, it happens to all of us, and the commander whom drops the F-bomb when it happens is usually making a fool of only themselves (I’ve done it!)

The ones who flip out, nerd rage, drop F-bombs, and CAPSLOCK LIKE YOU MEAN IT, every time it happens… you’re all the entire list of 7 words we can’t say.

faztazkitten.7293:

General.7803:

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Hello Fezt here from [NZFS]!

I would like to thank you for noticing the smaller but effective guilds out there that ARE making a difference. We are looking forward for this Friday’s match-up and we will be holding off our borderlands while the bigger guilds take care of EB.

“Ten soldiers wisely led, will beat one hundred without a head”. -Euripides-

nothing related to this topic but i may had an issue with one of ur guild member, i would like to contact ur guild officer or higher supervision person to discuss this issue plz.

This board is slowly getting quieter.
And I think thats because less and less people are WvW’ing in this match.

Oh look. The Os guild rush began 6minutes ago.
Oh um gee.
:D

Game on potatoes.

StormWolf.7645:

Anvil Pants.3426:

Please come to Anvil Rock Teamspeak and tell them this trufax. I’m tired of repeating myself.

Edit:

Conversely, we also have some players who admittedly (they’ve said as much) type like kittens, and can only communicate by voice while fighting in-game. This is why our guilds and alliances provide for both means.

Let’s also not begrudge each other our individual choices.

:p As much as I complained about it, I KNOW that I am one of the people who talks on Vent and not enough on Map Chat. I’ve been trying to work on it though…so I forgive myself. My issue is more that I get so focused on the fighting that any “Chat” just disappears for me…It gets quite annoying because I want very badly to do better with Map communication…Was actually considering finding someone to assign watching/typing in Map Chat, just feels kinda like a cop-out.

Do what I used to do in another game, talk in vent and get one of the people without mics, who is listening (and usually good at typing because they don’t use voice) to summerize the objective in squad/map/team/say chat, whatever is being used. I’ve almost always been able to find someone willing to help if you ask nicely. (just occasionally mention in chat when you have lulls that so and so is relaying your voice commands)

Hey Jang!,

I think i found you during your leveling days. Is this you leading the pack?

because i swear these guys are moving like the same guys you were leading when you hit my hills keep the other night, ya know the straight line pattern, and everything, the auto stacking, i mean these guys are training real hard, is this the training you kept referring to?

http://youtu.be/CyBITqVhR9I

You weren’t there Stormwolf

and i’m sure if this was the other end you’d feel the same way i do, but of course not, your entire server is being hand held upwards in tiers, so why you even care about investigating this guy.

Time to shift topic then!

Thursday [RE] fightclub is near! Bring out the 1v1s, 2v2s, 3v3s, 5v5s you duel-lovers. Party crashers also welcomed!

http://kaineng.enjin.com/

I am posting this link for anyone wishing to join our server Alliance for Kaineng. We welcome everyone to join and help our server grow and excel as we work towards a bright future. It will take all of our collective will and know how from Guilds and players just like you to make that future reality!
Come and be a part of making sure the things you love about playing GW2 and your home, Kaineng are run well as a team. So that we can become an even better community to learn, play and have fun in.

And for those curmudgeons who want to give us a talkin to, or just to catch up on smack talkin. Join the non- resident chatter area. You too can join and have your say.

Godfather.8217:

Then I witnessed what he did at hills keep, which My guild owned, and had very well defended. Watch the video, because that’s exactly how his train that followed him moved around. […] But when we closed the gates behind him, and it was him and just his little train, whole different story, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

After seeing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RTa1eLS6FM (WM’s SM video)

And watched your http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBITqVhR9I (Your Bot Stampede)

Please take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afpc_EcohcY (Amazing group march)

I don’t know. It is possible to train people to act precisely to very small detail. Remember, WM is a very heavily PvP/WvW/GvG guild. It’d be no surprise if he actually TRAINED (as in practicing) his member to act that way. After all, if I were him, I’d have my member to act like this as well.

This is not cheap, it’s more like exploit in the system. As I have said on the previous post, An AoE skill can only hit on maximum 5 players at most, so take advantage of that, have tons of people stacking up on one location would mean that the whole group’s HP count as one, and that would be very hard to knock down, at the same time, it is very easy to heal/recover.

So if you want to make your claim seems more convincing, please answer the following questions:

1. are they all the same profession?
2. are they all firing at the same target? (not even one that’s shooting another?)
3. are they skill spamming or just simple auto attack with skill 1?

Don’t just call people that walk in unison as bots, that’s just biased.

Hey there StormWolf, so you survived a trip to NSP with your sanity intact? Congratulations and greetings from NSP and meow. I actually spent a lot of time reading from post #1, so much so, that I don’t really know what to write other than its been a good fight so far. Enjoyed seeing tactics of WM and SoS, also see KAIN now and then. For our part, we’re taking this chance to up our own capabilities, let whiners whines I say, that’s what they do. We’re achievers, so, yeah.
I watched the video posted above briefly and don’t understand what that is about. But just to be sure, that really isn’t the Jun guy or whatever right? That being the case, do you know how low it is to just simply accuse someone like that? Show some decency man. (You know who you are)

sinfulape.6301:

Hey there StormWolf, so you survived a trip to NSP with your sanity intact? Congratulations and greetings from NSP and meow.

Thanks in no small part to you guys. I was also happy to note in Vent the general call for a “Threat” from NSP is usually “Guys, it’s Meow, gonna need some help.”

Loved working with you guys, unfortunately with free transfers soon to be gone with the Dodo I may not really have much of an opportunity for visits later.

While I enjoy flipping supply camps and killing yaks inbound to ARBL garrison, I gotta sleep sometime. 6 hours of sniping yaks and solo flipping camps. Good call the one time you sent 5 or so to stop me, you got one yak in, hooray Kaineng! Now if I could have just had one more person helping out, you’d have gotten zero.

P.S. you really don’t need 30-40 people to take a supply, I do it solo all the time, give it a try, it’s liberating.
P.P.S. I have run into one or two people on your server that have a little skill, but you all need to break out of the hive mind mentality or you WILL have problems up a tier or two.

Anvil Pants.3426:

StormWolf.7645:

My issue is more that I get so focused on the fighting that any “Chat” just disappears for me…It gets quite annoying because I want very badly to do better with Map communication…Was actually considering finding someone to assign watching/typing in Map Chat, just feels kinda like a cop-out.

Some call it “tunnel vision”. I call it “fog of war”.

Either way, it happens to all of us, and the commander whom drops the F-bomb when it happens is usually making a fool of only themselves (I’ve done it!)

The ones who flip out, nerd rage, drop F-bombs, and CAPSLOCK LIKE YOU MEAN IT, every time it happens… you’re all the entire list of 7 words we can’t say.

we gunna have problems here with my caps lock leading? if so i’d like to start this off by saying uhh, bring it.

Ninya.3942:

I will be glad when our conversations cease to include such spiteful posts. I enjoy discussing WvW, not dealing with trolls and angry keyboard warriors

nahh its all good guy, we see lots of servers that get mad guild transfers just to move up a bit in tiers and then blow up the forums with their gigantic ego’s because they’re stepping on the lower tiers who cant cover all hours of the day. You guys aren’t that special or different :\

imalog.7689:

nahh its all good guy, we see lots of servers that get mad guild transfers just to move up a bit in tiers and then blow up the forums with their gigantic ego’s because they’re stepping on the lower tiers who cant cover all hours of the day. You guys aren’t that special or different :\

Funny note: There’s been more people from your Server and NSP blowing up the forum with their gigantic egos than Kaineng’s had…See…we’re egotistical about our lack of ego. It’s a source of pride for us!

StormWolf.7645:

imalog.7689:

nahh its all good guy, we see lots of servers that get mad guild transfers just to move up a bit in tiers and then blow up the forums with their gigantic ego’s because they’re stepping on the lower tiers who cant cover all hours of the day. You guys aren’t that special or different :\

Funny note: There’s been more people from your Server and NSP blowing up the forum with their gigantic egos than Kaineng’s had…See…we’re egotistical about our lack of ego. It’s a source of pride for us!

sure man! can’t wait to talk to you on your way back down the tiers!

Funny note: WM will leave the server after awhile and you all will drop back to fighting ET again.

imalog.7689:

sure man! can’t wait to talk to you on your way back down the tiers!

Funny note: WM will leave the server after awhile and you all will drop back to fighting ET again.

I look forward to seeing AR and NSP on the way back down if it happens!…Or was that an attempt at a sarcastic retort?…Either way! It’s a fun ride up, and it’ll be a fun ride back down when/if it happens. Those who are bothered by silly things like “Losing” make me laugh..

imalog.7689:

sure man! can’t wait to talk to you on your way back down the tiers!

Funny note: WM will leave the server after awhile and you all will drop back to fighting ET again.

…and we’ll have a great time fighting ET again. They were a true class act, and we had some great fights. Also, I don’t recall a single forum post hating on Kaineng from them, which sadly seems to have become the norm… Nope, I wouldn’t mind being in their bracket again at all. Interesting (and just a little bit sad) that you mention them like it’s some sort of insult – we’ve had some great opponents going up through the tiers, but I think that ET was the best.

Funny note: People seem to think Kaineng defines itself by what tier it’s in.

Dhampyr.2104:

…and we’ll have a great time fighting ET again. They were a true class act, and we had some great fights. Also, I don’t recall a single forum post hating on Kaineng from them, which sadly seems to have become the norm… Nope, I wouldn’t mind being in their bracket again at all. Interesting that you mention them like it’s some sort of insult – we’ve had some great opponents going up through the tiers, but I think that ET was the best.

Funny note: People seem to think Kaineng defines itself by what tier it’s in.

You’re making me blush. :p I was on ET while we were fighting them! Honestly though ET was the one I felt worst about having the Transfers against…the sheer number of new people was ridiculous and I think it was because of all the people who got the game for Christmas being put on ET.

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

Godfather.8217:

Then I witnessed what he did at hills keep, which My guild owned, and had very well defended. Watch the video, because that’s exactly how his train that followed him moved around. […] But when we closed the gates behind him, and it was him and just his little train, whole different story, he stuck out like a sore thumb.

After seeing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RTa1eLS6FM (WM’s SM video)

And watched your http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBITqVhR9I (Your Bot Stampede)

Please take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afpc_EcohcY (Amazing group march)

I don’t know. It is possible to train people to act precisely to very small detail. Remember, WM is a very heavily PvP/WvW/GvG guild. It’d be no surprise if he actually TRAINED (as in practicing) his member to act that way. After all, if I were him, I’d have my member to act like this as well.

This is not cheap, it’s more like exploit in the system. As I have said on the previous post, An AoE skill can only hit on maximum 5 players at most, so take advantage of that, have tons of people stacking up on one location would mean that the whole group’s HP count as one, and that would be very hard to knock down, at the same time, it is very easy to heal/recover.

So if you want to make your claim seems more convincing, please answer the following questions:

1. are they all the same profession?
2. are they all firing at the same target? (not even one that’s shooting another?)
3. are they skill spamming or just simple auto attack with skill 1?

Don’t just call people that walk in unison as bots, that’s just biased.

I’m telling you, if you guys were there on the end of this display of skill, you’d recognize it, that WM video up there doesn’t show anything of what he did in that hills keep.

1. They aren’t the same profession, I can tell you it was a mix of every supportable class, guardians, and ele’s mainly due to their buffs and protection skills. I can also tell you that it was a stacked group of less than 20, simply because he had at least one mesmer portaling the whole group around like clockwork.

2. Yes, I tested this one out myself. When i saw him running back up, i jumped down off the wall to face him, and as soon as he had me targeted, i suddenly had every condition and every ele aoe hitting me instantly, and again you can mask all this running around in a zerg, because with the aoe hits, every toon around me was being hit as well, and it looks as if each one of those characters are targeting someone different when in reality its just one person.

3. If every toon is programmed that was trailing him in a perfect line just as the one’s you see in the video i posted, I am sure there were skills that ran as soon as the cool down permited, and it’s not difficult to set “auto” for this game, as far as follow, and target assist, but you would need something to do that, since this game doesn’t have an auto follow function.

More than 2 hours ago I decided I wanted the AR garrison. Not more than 20mins ago we took it. It was a short-lived moment but I decided to take it as Vel’s bday present.

Happy bday Vel! >:)

This is my first time posting on the forums, but this week’s WvW match up deserves a response.

I do not blame Kaineng for this week’s horrible WvW action. I blame Anet for allowing server transfers that cause a massive population imbalance. Although Kaineng must bear some of the blame due to the massive influx of WvW population from guild transfers. You knew what problems this would cause, yet you did it any way.

Here are my observations:
1. Kaineng has a MUCH bigger WvW population – Zerg beats skill
2. I observed WM’s “bot train” that has been mentioned (it sure appeared to be bots to me)
3. Kaineng did not win any popularity contests by: camping spawns with large numbers and siege, bringing Golems to attack a tower (when it was the only tower we owned in our BL), and acting like they are superior to both the other servers in skill (could not tell due to the massive numbers they brought to battle.).

In the end it is just a game, but intentionally ruining other server’s fun just so you can “rise through the tiers” and feel good about yourselves, is not cool.

See you on the battlefield,

Anvil Rock Defender

BloodHawk.1283:

Here are my observations:
1. Kaineng has a MUCH bigger WvW population – Zerg beats skill
2. I observed WM’s “bot train” that has been mentioned (it sure appeared to be bots to me)
3. Kaineng did not win any popularity contests by: camping spawns with large numbers and siege, bringing Golems to attack a tower (when it was the only tower we owned in our BL), and acting like they are superior to both the other servers in skill (could not tell due to the massive numbers they brought to battle.).

In the end it is just a game, but intentionally ruining other server’s fun just so you can “rise through the tiers” and feel good about yourselves, is not cool.

See you on the battlefield,

Anvil Rock Defender

First off, thanks for the very well-written post. I agree that the server transfer policy is the issue.

The only point that I emphatically disagree with is your last one, where we’re apparently trumpeting our superior skill. I don’t think that’s the case at all – not in this matchup or any other one in the past. I think you must be confusing this week’s forum thread with how it was when DR was mucking around in T6.

Awesome post.

@Dhampyr

Most people of Kaineng aren’t trolling about it on the forum. It’s great and I gotta say Good job Kaineng.

BloodHawk might be talking about ingame act.

I got a lot more then usual number of dancing on corpse and laughting from Kaineng then any other server before. Especially annoying when you down someone in a 1vs1, only to have a zerg come by, save him and dance on you.

You can’t control your troll, and those are prolly part of the fair weather players that joined kaineng once they started rolling other server.

Kaineng still have a pretty good attitude, and every server have their troll in game. The number of unclassy act I saw in game are prolly a result of random transfert or bored people.

Also, it ain’t Kaineng fault, but such big transfer with such high tier guild (WM) destroy the low tier match ups. I didn’t log in WvW for more then 4-5 hours this week.

I used to love being the underdog, at release we got a lot of stomping. It was a lot of fun. But it got boring over time, always do camp run, try to get people from LA to make a group of pug, run some tower/camp, and get destroyed by a group of 40 with infinite supply.

Next week match up will be a dream match for us.

BP vs NSP vs AR.

WE had this match up like 2-3 time earlier and NSP were destroying both of us. Now BP will prolly take the lead, but it will be an awesome week!

1. Please accept our hugs and pleas for peace. We don’t hate any of the servers we’ve faced and we certainly don’t have meetings where we brag about how many people we have to make matches uneven and then cackle in a dastardly way. Anyone who is worth their salt and respect on our server would NEVER intentionally disrespect any one of you. We do call it out when we see it (at least I do), but there’s nothing more we can do than that.

2. I think after all of this dies down I will have PTSD episodes triggered by the word “transfer”. The horse is so dead its remains are dust, blowing away in the wind…

Anyway, I went from 92 badges in my current stack to 149 last night. Probably my best night for that in the game so far! No rares though. Not a single one. What gives? Stingy opponents! You were giving the best loots over the weekend.

Goblin.1586:

More than 2 hours ago I decided I wanted the AR garrison. Not more than 20mins ago we took it. It was a short-lived moment but I decided to take it as Vel’s bday present.

Happy bday Vel! >:)

And this is the zerg they sent in to take it back from all 9 of us…

BTW, pay attention to the chat, they actually didn’t get the supply camp. They split up and the 20 or so that went ended up getting killed by 4 of us. lol

Truth be told I was one such xfer. But I only came for Balth temple. In my week of being in Kaineng WvW I did notice that many of the players would spawn camp. But when I was commanding I absolutely told every single person that it was beyond question a terrible thing to do. I would NEVER have my group hang outside the door. A few times I even offered to abandon a tower to allow a breakout to trigger and thus give a foothold to the opposition. I just wanted a good fight. Unfortunately my unarmored body was pierced by dozens of arrows as I walked forwards to discuss a peace treaty.

I’ve been out there everynight and I usually go to Kaineng BL. Unfortunately, there have been fewer and fewer of us going there. Of all the servers AR has faced since the inception of this game, Kaineng is the only one where I do not hesitate for an instant to charge solo into a group of 3-5 and attack. I do that with a full expectation of surviving. I’m out there solo a lot and if I see 3 or 4 NSP, I’m running. Not so, Kaineng. There is no question that in terms of individual ability, speaking of the majority, Kaineng is by far the worst we’ve faced. There are exceptions to that statement but they are few and far between.

What makes Kaineng so dangerous is that our “huge” zerg of 10-15 can engage a Kaineng zerg of 30-40 that within a minute is reinforced by another zerg of 50. They just never stop coming.

Dovgan.8605:

While I enjoy flipping supply camps and killing yaks inbound to ARBL garrison, I gotta sleep sometime. 6 hours of sniping yaks and solo flipping camps. Good call the one time you sent 5 or so to stop me, you got one yak in, hooray Kaineng! Now if I could have just had one more person helping out, you’d have gotten zero.

P.S. you really don’t need 30-40 people to take a supply, I do it solo all the time, give it a try, it’s liberating.
P.P.S. I have run into one or two people on your server that have a little skill, but you all need to break out of the hive mind mentality or you WILL have problems up a tier or two.

You know what? I don’t want this guy lost in translation and the back and forth. Dovgan, you did a great job for AR yesterday. I’m from Kaineng, and know your the one who was snipping off yaks to ensure gar received 0 supply. I was going to post last night, but was too tired. Great job on ensuring the yak ‘always’ dropped before you you did. Was one thing we had discussed all night long. Thought I’d bump this… out of respect and give credit where due. Yes, we could have invested some more time or effort to ensure they got through, but we were all enjoying the back and forth out front and in garrison.

There was plenty of good battles , and I had a great time last night (hope everyone else did too). I know you guys never saw … but I tried a couple /bow /wave emotes when you brought out the golem. I knew it was kinda the cap off the night with some humour note.

Appreciate the battles on AR last night, first night on the map… was in NSP every other day.

~ Xgammon [RE]

Goblin.1586:

More than 2 hours ago I decided I wanted the AR garrison. Not more than 20mins ago we took it. It was a short-lived moment but I decided to take it as Vel’s bday present.

Happy bday Vel!

First of all, as the guild leader of SoS of Kaineng, Happy b-day to Vel! Yey~

@nekos.2584

The exact size of the zerg back there … was 53. How did I know that? because you guys interrupted my classes while I was testing commander command /supplyinfo, which tells you exactly how many people and how much supplies are around you (in a rather small radius)

@Goblin.1586

You should propose next
/cheers @

@[Meow]
Wow, great fight, I’m sure you guys enjoyed it too.

Zerg clashing with zerg, it’s hella fun, like a bloody blood bath.

We should do that more sometimes xD

Pedra.4381:

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Just out of curiosity – what’s your class/guild tag? I run solo in Kain BL mostly, have seen relatively few roamers from either server (or Kain either, for that matter). I’ve come across an AR thief from [BOLD] that I 1v1’ed to a draw, was pretty fun – he ended up getting killed when like four more Kain pugs showed up. Really talented, tho, and you can’t consider a 5v1 kill a victory, really. Also, ended up with a GS guardian (I think, may have been a warrior) from [MAN] that I ended up having to run away from. He couldn’t kill me, but I sure as heck wouldn’t call it a draw. I lost that one, hands down, just didn’t get killed.

Both of these were by the SW tower in Kain BL.

If [MAN] players are all as good as their tPvP paid team, you sure did the good thing when you ran away.

Oh, just a side note.

Most of the SoS and DE/RE covers AR + NSP BL and WM covers EB. (as that’s the work distribution we agreed upon)

So ... I’m not really sure who you guys are facing in Kaineng BL, lol.

As we know, pug’s class varies, so if you want a rather sportsman-like battle, come to AR + NSP BL, we’ll be welcoming you with warm arms, and give you guys fair and fun fights

Pedra.4381:

I’ve been out there everynight and I usually go to Kaineng BL. Unfortunately, there have been fewer and fewer of us going there. Of all the servers AR has faced since the inception of this game, Kaineng is the only one where I do not hesitate for an instant to charge solo into a group of 3-5 and attack. I do that with a full expectation of surviving. I’m out there solo a lot and if I see 3 or 4 NSP, I’m running. Not so, Kaineng. There is no question that in terms of individual ability, speaking of the majority, Kaineng is by far the worst we’ve faced. There are exceptions to that statement but they are few and far between.

What makes Kaineng so dangerous is that our “huge” zerg of 10-15 can engage a Kaineng zerg of 30-40 that within a minute is reinforced by another zerg of 50. They just never stop coming.

I bet you’re the most awesome person ever. And you dominate everyone you ever see.

On that note, I would like to invite you to fight club on Thursday to prove your claims

My party was in KBL last night. We set up shop in Redbriar tower and waited for the AR karma train to hit it for maximum meat grinding but it never came and we got bored waiting for it to get zerged. So we went to ARBL instead.

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

Oh, just a side note.

Most of the SoS and DE/RE covers AR + NSP BL and WM covers EB. (as that’s the work distribution we agreed upon)

So … I’m not really sure who you guys are facing in Kaineng BL, lol.

As we know, pug’s class varies, so if you want a rather sportsman-like battle, come to AR + NSP BL, we’ll be welcoming you with warm arms, and give you guys fair and fun fights

I go to Kaineng because it is the only place where I can expect anything resembling a fair fight (because you don’t have your zergs there). At the beginning of the week, I did a lot of guild runs in our BL and EB. But being outnumbered 10 or 20 to 1 is not my idea of a fun and fair fight. Of course, I fully understand that the definition of “fun and fair” depends on which side of the beat down your on.

I’ve never seen the kind of numbers you all bring to fights. Of course, those kind of numbers are quite probably why individually your guys don’t do very well. They’ve never had to do anything but auto-attack.

Ninya.3942:

Pedra.4381:

I’ve been out there everynight and I usually go to Kaineng BL. Unfortunately, there have been fewer and fewer of us going there. Of all the servers AR has faced since the inception of this game, Kaineng is the only one where I do not hesitate for an instant to charge solo into a group of 3-5 and attack. I do that with a full expectation of surviving. I’m out there solo a lot and if I see 3 or 4 NSP, I’m running. Not so, Kaineng. There is no question that in terms of individual ability, speaking of the majority, Kaineng is by far the worst we’ve faced. There are exceptions to that statement but they are few and far between.

What makes Kaineng so dangerous is that our “huge” zerg of 10-15 can engage a Kaineng zerg of 30-40 that within a minute is reinforced by another zerg of 50. They just never stop coming.

I bet you’re the most awesome person ever. And you dominate everyone you ever see.

On that note, I would like to invite you to fight club on Thursday to prove your claims

Just the opposite. I pretty much suck. So imagine what that says about the majority of Kaineng.

Pedra.4381:

Ninya.3942:

Pedra.4381:

I’ve been out there everynight and I usually go to Kaineng BL. Unfortunately, there have been fewer and fewer of us going there. Of all the servers AR has faced since the inception of this game, Kaineng is the only one where I do not hesitate for an instant to charge solo into a group of 3-5 and attack. I do that with a full expectation of surviving. I’m out there solo a lot and if I see 3 or 4 NSP, I’m running. Not so, Kaineng. There is no question that in terms of individual ability, speaking of the majority, Kaineng is by far the worst we’ve faced. There are exceptions to that statement but they are few and far between.

What makes Kaineng so dangerous is that our “huge” zerg of 10-15 can engage a Kaineng zerg of 30-40 that within a minute is reinforced by another zerg of 50. They just never stop coming.

I bet you’re the most awesome person ever. And you dominate everyone you ever see.

On that note, I would like to invite you to fight club on Thursday to prove your claims

Just the opposite. I pretty much suck. So imagine what that says about the majority of Kaineng.

So the up leveled groups you’ve wiped couldn’t give you a fight. Come to fight club and prove your skill. Littlefeather will post the details soon I imagine.

Dear Godfather & BloodHawk
I am one of commander from [WM], and our commander check everyone who is online, and on TS.
If we have even “single bot”, I will delete my every char and delete GW2.
And “yes” we have been trained a lot.
You play for blame someone, we play for win.
If you have the time to blame us, come to WVW and show us your skill.
We will show you what we got.

The accusations of WM being bots are just plain stupid. Just appreciate the fact that they are very disciplined and organized. I want my guild to move just like them someday lol.

I remember when WM was on SBI; we weren’t crashing and burning through the tiers. Nowadays we’re outmanned in every map for more than half of every day. It’s depressing what this server transfer has done to our ability to WvW; we just can’t field the players we used to, and no one is transferring to our server to make up the difference.

I’m also sorry for what this has done to the servers WM has been facing. I don’t doubt that you’re all pretty good, but understandably you’re not T1 material due to numbers / coordination / whatever. You don’t deserve a score of 50,216 vs 302,599 vs 39,595. You deserve better. WM is a really good guild with amazing coordination; I’ve run with them before. What they’re doing here, though, is really unfortunate, and we’re all victims as they dominate everything. I wish you all luck in next week’s match-up, and hopefully then you find a more competitively meaningful environment to play in.

I also recognize that WM isn’t the only group on Kaineng. You’re all probably really good, but this transfer (and the others that came with it) was what really sent you sky-high in the scores. Maybe when all is said and done, and if WM abandons you too, you’ll be enjoying healthy WvW weeks as well. Good luck to you all.

imalog.7689:

Anvil Pants.3426:

Either way, it happens to all of us, and the commander whom drops the F-bomb when it happens is usually making a fool of only themselves (I’ve done it!)

The ones who flip out, nerd rage, drop F-bombs, and CAPSLOCK LIKE YOU MEAN IT, every time it happens… you’re all the entire list of 7 words we can’t say.

we gunna have problems here with my caps lock leading? if so i’d like to start this off by saying uhh, bring it.

Oh, it’s already been brought’n!

I don’t like the strongly pejorative form of the term "PuG"—used as if to say “all of these people are useless idiots and tools”—either.

Dhampyr.2104:

BloodHawk.1283:

Here are my observations:
1. Kaineng has a MUCH bigger WvW population – Zerg beats skill
2. I observed WM’s “bot train” that has been mentioned (it sure appeared to be bots to me)
3. Kaineng did not win any popularity contests by: camping spawns with large numbers and siege, bringing Golems to attack a tower (when it was the only tower we owned in our BL), and acting like they are superior to both the other servers in skill (could not tell due to the massive numbers they brought to battle.).

In the end it is just a game, but intentionally ruining other server’s fun just so you can “rise through the tiers” and feel good about yourselves, is not cool.

See you on the battlefield,

Anvil Rock Defender

First off, thanks for the very well-written post. I agree that the server transfer policy is the issue.

The only point that I emphatically disagree with is your last one, where we’re apparently trumpeting our superior skill. I don’t think that’s the case at all – not in this matchup or any other one in the past. I think you must be confusing this week’s forum thread with how it was when DR was mucking around in T6.

Awesome post.

Unfortunately I have to agree with Bloodhawk and an excellent post it was. Although the bot train might be slightly exaggerated.

And I also have to address you Dhampyr on yours.
We would much rather fight Devonas Rest than put up with Kainengs arrogance any day.
Devonas Rest fought well and of course, yes, they had their own arrogant traits. But.
They did not spawn camp in the excess that Kaineng do with a united guild presence which last nearly 24hours.

Now, I have spoken as if my server agrees with me. But it has been pointed out before that I cannot speak for them. Fortunately those were the same fools who thought they could actually fight Kaineng and win. I wonder if I should laugh or be disgusted in our own ignorance?

To Kaineng, this week has not been a match of World vs World. It has been a game of World vs Spawn were a horde has triumph against common servers. This is not your fault and I do not hold you to it.
But nor should you feel as if you have won anything. You shouldn’t be pleased with yourself. Just keep looking forward and you’ll face the tiers that have broken many servers like yourself before, and even my own.

No luck is given, nor received.
Just do what you need to do and tone down the excess.

Pedra.4381:

Of course, those kind of numbers are quite probably why individually your guys don’t do very well. They’ve never had to do anything but auto-attack.

I don’t enjoy feeding this… but why would you troll. People of all skill level play the game. Some of our guys (by this I mean kaineng .. the same as you generalized in your statement) are extremely talented. Some are not, and working to improve their skill, but blanket statements honestly make you look bad. If your looking to 1v1, or smaller battles, sPvP. Alternatively you can go enjoy fight club. Lots of players like to do the same on a level playing field.

Personally I don’t chose to knock any server opponent, even when I was in your shoes, back facing DB. Sadly out-manned, to the ‘last stand’ nights where only 5-6 were in the BL defending the last keep we would own. Still, I can’t see the benefit to me going and making blanket statements when frustrated, or angered to generalize a server as a whole.

I am by no means good, but all servers have very talented and skilled players. Individually there are some guys who do great, but in WvW there are also a lot of teams, and zergs. It’s the mechanics of this part of the game.

Some people may be great solo artists, some people may be terrible, some may be great commanders, others may not. Every server has a variety. So far though, Anvil gets the troll award for forum flaming (reading all the posts from this week and last week, wow is a waste of time). At least our last week’s opponents lightened up end of week and enjoyed our company. Don’t take it the wrong way, there are many good posts in this thread, but as a whole, there are just as much bad, or degrading posts coming from your server.

People play the game how they want to. Simple. Of all the guilds on Kaineng, of course we will have varying skill levels and skill sets? Was there a posting somewhere I missed that said we were any different or super humans? Enjoy the game, remain respectful, have some class. Flame those that flame you or deserve it for acting without integrity in game. They will eventually dwindle and go. There’s a lot more who play with respect than don’t. Whether you believe it or not is your own issues.

Hexin.5603:

Pedra.4381:

Of course, those kind of numbers are quite probably why individually your guys don’t do very well. They’ve never had to do anything but auto-attack.

I don’t enjoy feeding this… but why would you troll.

Why wouldn’t you CTRL + Right Click for auto-attack on all 10 skills? :S

We don’t all auto-attack. /digressed topic & assume I deserved it. Whatever, moving on.

Back on topic…. AR BL last night, just curious why didn’t you guys want to take garrison? There was plenty of periods where we were actually badly out numbered, even if you don’t think so. There was a time where there was long period where we only had a couple people in it while you were at inner, and the other 6 or so roaming around camps. I’m just curious why you backed out? I know it wasn’t a strategy or tactic, but still not sure why you gave us the opening to push back. Did you run out of supply or what was the cause there?

i love the use of mesmer’s veil in the WM video, it’s only effective if you can get your forces to move together like they do.

Hexin.5603:

We don’t all auto-attack. /digressed topic & assume I deserved it. Whatever, moving on.

I was joking, and not meaning to be taken seriously. Sarcasm in text is a fickle thing.

Hexin.5603:

I’m just curious why you backed out? I know it wasn’t a strategy or tactic, but still not sure why you gave us the opening to push back. Did you run out of supply or what was the cause there?

I wasn’t there (I was in Kaineng BL), but I’d be willing to bet that you were up against a PuG without leadership, and they simply didn’t know when or how to push their advantage.

In regards to the accusations and denial of arrogance, I would just say that actions speak louder than words. Dancing upon or lying down naked next to your defeated opponent, after you’ve defeated them with a massive force does show a bit of arrogance. Yeah, I get it, it’s a video game, grow up and deal with the taunting, etc. I’m just saying that this is a form of arrogance that I’ve seen. As always, it may just be a few tainting the reputation of the masses, and although there has not been much written boasting in the forums, I’m pointing out that in-game arrogance is just the same. Further, posting videos of your victories falls within this same realm of “passive-agressive arrogance.” Do or write what you will – people shouldn’t let others’ actions within a video game or words within a forum bother them – but, acting one way and speaking in an other comes off as conniving.

I understand what Kaineng is doing, and I respect the discipline and organization you have, but such an unbalance does ruin the experience for us smaller servers. Many of us don’t want to treat this like a job – training, being on-call, etc. – and that is why we play in a lower tier. As I said in my previous post, Kaineng nor the guilds who transferred there are to be faulted for their dominance, because they have a vision and they are working very hard to achieve it. But, in the future, please remember how your actions may affect the experience of all your fellow players, friend or foe. Any given foe could have just as easily been your ally if they had chosen your server, and in the end, we are all friends in this game and should work together to enhance the overall collective experience. Your opponent in WvW is one of your strongest allies in keeping this game moving forward. Although no one could have predicted the level of discontent that such an outbalanced matchup could bring, I think it’s clear now that it hurts the game in the long-run at the short-term benefit of a few. We all want to have a good time by defeating each other and winning the matchup. But, having fun becomes difficult when there is such an unbalance. Large guilds, please remember this the next time you look to raise a server from the bottom tier.