Guild Wars 2

TC: 249,522 (325)
YB: 180,097 (275)
FA: 178,804 (+95)

Did you mean to underline that bit?

no. it just kinda happened. not sure why. i even tried to go back to edit it out, but to no avail

I like the underline. It’s a nice touch.

Tera GX.8149:

So if I’m understanding it correctly: GODS (Rise of the Omnipotent) are moving from FA to TC, HOWEVER the peak “officialness” of this is no more than a spontaneous move by the leader. Discussion wasn’t formalized in a guild-wide organization?

Yeah, as CandleJack mentioned already it was just a small group of us that initially left – we were the core group of GODS players that would coordinate with other guilds on FA, lead small strike teams, contribute our own time/gold to tower/keep upgrades, actually defend (imagine that), and achieve results completely independent of the zerg. I think I speak for the entire group of us in this one thing – we are not front runners and we are always seeking situations with unfavorable odds and come out on top more often than not. I’m sure that our actions will prove as much and more in time.

The unfortunate fallout from this is that upon hearing about our move, the leader of GODS had kind of a knee jerk reaction and is trying to move all willing GODS members to TC and abandon the rest on the premise that he’s cleaning house.

Any misinformation you’re seeing from the other GODS posters in here is not their fault, they likely weren’t involved in the situation firsthand and are just repeating what Derv has told them after the fact. It’s a shame that he’s gone to these lengths to save face though, because I know personally that there are many remaining skilled, loyal players in GODS that won’t be able to make the move. Despite disagreements over leadership/direction, I think most will agree that Derv is a good guy and has worked very hard to build up GODS to the point it is at, and that is commendable. IMO he could do much more good (for himself, the guild, and the server) by having this change of heart back on FA where there are still many loyal players in need of leadership. But that is his decision and from the looks of it he has already made the move.

To any GODS who are staying on FA, I’d encourage you to check out PRO, TFAS, PTX, and the other awesome guilds people have mentioned on this thread. I’ve played with several of them and they are all top notch players and people.

CandIeJack.9352:

For the record, GODS isn’t jumping up in tier. That was never the goal. As Papacooldown said, (and ISN’T THAT THE CLASSIEST NAME EVER?) 15-20 ex-GODS are sick of GODS leadership. We didn’t want to be blackballed in the same server, because that happened before. We just needed a change, and moved.

The Leader of GODS moving to TC was NOT part of our plan, and honestly, I think it wouldn’t be fair to FA to have such a large group of people leaving, and I’m sure the [FULL SERVER] agrees.

Regardless of the situation, GODS is currently in hiatus, and not a significant force in FA or TC at the moment.

You’re too kind, but to be honest I just moved so that we could sit in the centuar camp and duel GODS members all day

papacooldown.9482:

You’re too kind, but to be honest I just moved so that we could sit in the centuar camp and duel GODS members all day

Not going to lie, the mini fight club we had going was the most fun I’d had in WvW in weeks.

PhotonScatter.8901:

papacooldown.9482:

You’re too kind, but to be honest I just moved so that we could sit in the centuar camp and duel GODS members all day

Not going to lie, the mini fight club we had going was the most fun I’d had in WvW in weeks.

Haha fun for you! You were unkillable!

Thanks for the update on score and agree with Xavi, the underline is a nice touch.

Thanks for the additional information about the GODS situation. Sounds like it could be a few or many days before the end result is quite clear.

Sir William PD.9615:

TC, I hope you’re ready for the awesome might of GODS to join your side! You will now witness the power of Commanders sitting at the steps of the borderland, spamming recruitment messages about how awesome and big GODS is while you’re under siege and need help. I think it’s a disservice to the fine folks of TC to have a zerg “open-recruitment” guild join them. TC is a good server with strong leadership and sound tactics. GODS just thins out the gene pool.

its funny how people are so misinformed but yet think they are so right. lmao, find the real truth then go and post crap.

Sir William PD.9615:

+1 to Selan.

There are a lot of people who simply don’t understand the dynamics of world vs world. I find it frustrating as well and my replies to some of the questions really depends on my mood at the moment. If I have just been rolled by a group of PINK for the 9th time of the evening, I will probably be a bit terse.

We do need to reach out to the puggers, or small guilds though and teach them to be an asset and not just someone who is making a good player wait in the queue.

For those GODS looking for a home, check out the Fort Aspenwood community site that is starting (PM me for the link…don’t want no stinkin spies!)

There is a listing of guilds that are coming together to build the community and you can find a home there. If you’re over 18 and have a good sense of humor and want to apply to one of the longest running guilds in online gaming, you can apply here: www.purpledragons.net.

Exactly…the server that can harness the power of the casual players and motivate / train them will dominate all tiers eventually. Rather than deriding their efforts….how about trying to show them by example and explain in team chat why you are doing what you are doing? Thats what seperates good commanders from bad commanders.

The number of people running around in cluelessly in all the maps is probably staggering.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Got (part) of the story of what happened. Seems like I missed a lot past night.

As of now only a small handful has transferred to TC.

The story of why people wanted to move is both sad and hilarious.

Apparently people were tired of carrying pugs which is completely understandable. Ask anyone from FA and they’ll tell you. We have some great WvW guilds, but the pubs are completely terrible. Bunch of people who stand around auto attacking gates without siege.

The other day I saw a group of 15 pubs auto attacking the gate to a tower. No siege. I watched to see how long they would go on. After 10 minutes I got bored and threw down a ram. It only got half built, because of 15 people only 2 were carrying supply.

From what I understand, last night we lost a ton of stuff in WvW because we had a huge group fighting the wurm. Which is completely idiotic, and something I would expect from FA pubs. We have good guilds, Pro, ULTD, PTX. But our pubs are complete idiots.

So yea, I don’t blame people for wanting to distance themselves from that.

Personally I won’t be going to TC. From what I understand, it’s the role play server, and that’s not my style.

I used to be this, but I read the chat and have changed my playstyle accordingly. Now I try to always carry supply, build when I have supply, etc.

I admit to still banging on a door or two but what are you gonna do when the group you’re running with is trying to take down a door and you can’t reach the defenders above? It’s bang a door, leave, or stand and be bored. As a hammer guardian at least my chain gives protection and area retaliation if used correctly, on the door that seems to me it might be useful.

Tips and strategies are always welcome, but in FA chat they seem to be rather rare. I have a couple names that people have given me to contact for info/training in game but it seems that you might be better typing a quick hint in chat for those of us not in a WvW guild. Just listening to ingame chat & forum advice has upped my skill tremendously, I now have badges and I’m not just a walking dead man.

There could be a silver lining to the [GODS] leaving FA.

As others have noted, FA’s play style is very aggressive. We put fewer resources and less effort into defense than other comparable servers. I think the [GODS] played a really big role in establishing this play style due to their enormous size. IN VERY GENERAL TERMS, the [GODS] offensive strategy is to zerg around the map until they wipe, and their defensive strategy is to zerg around the map putting out fires. But captured objectives are neglected and quickly recaptured by the enemy, and there often isn’t anything left for the zerg Calvary to save by the time they finally ride into town.

The departure of the [GODS] could be an opportunity for FA to adjust its strategy, do more with less, better balance offensive and defensive efforts, and improve the sophistication of its tactics. I always liked the [GODS] because of the manpower they brought, and their departure will be a blow in the short term, but it could also be an opportunity for FA moving forward if it forces us to improve our strategy.

Good luck to the [GODS], FA, and TC. Curses to the smelly flee ridden yaks that FA is battling for 2nd. And may the good matches continue!

-Rockrain, FA

We may be flee ridden but we’re definitely not smelly. I just bathed near the SM watergate last week.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

What, you think we haven’t tried?

You don’t think we’ve tried saying “hey, ignore the wurm, we are losing our structures”

You don’t think we’ve tried saying “you need to carry supply at all times, if you don’t have supply your main focus should be getting some”

You don’t think we’ve tried saying “do not waste time trying to auto attack gates, it’s pointless”

You don’t think we’ve told them “don’t take supply from the keep, go to a supply camp”?

These people are idiots not because they don’t know what to do, they’re idiots because they know what to do and then CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT.

Your ability to manage your pugs is the key to winning most match ups as they make up a sizable part of your WvW pop. Our two Tog commanders will flip their badges off and on to get them where we need them. I doubt our puggers are any better or worse than any other. But with the right leadership they end up doing mostly the right thing.

While I think FA has some better skirmishing guilds, managing pugs is key to success in this tier. something quite toxic is happening if they won’t listen to you.

Update…

TC 252,912 / +275
YB 181,948 / +160
FA 181,025 / +260

So, it is REALLY close between YB & FA…

Many of you know me as JEDI
to my brothers and sisters of battle in FA keep your heads up
to the many members of gods stand tall look after each other
to the many guilds in FA and thier commanders TY
to my friends we are family stay true to each other
to the jedi knights ty for showing TC and YAKS how to die
I apologize to any player that has been let down by the choice I made to leave FA
TY derv for your efforts and your rap skills are pro

I look forward to proving myself as the medical ninja dedicated to saving lives in TC
or die trying

GL and more importantly keep having fun everyone cos its a game
BTW i love to roleplay so starwars fans beware the force has arrived to TC

GG all and may the force be with you

I hate to see us “pug people” get a bad reputation. I love WvW, but I’m not going to leave my long time guild to play it.

I’ll admit, I’ve been quite a noob at times (learning how to use siege on my own – still afraid to touch a trebuchet or build a golem), but I am learning and I listen closely to people in chat and in say.

Some of us really do want to contribute and now you guys may need us even more. Communication is key.

Xavi.6591:

We may be flee ridden but we’re definitely not smelly. I just bathed near the SM watergate last week.

That’s weird because my daggers have smelled like yak for two weeks now.

Karykarywook.2481:

I hate to see us “pug people” get a bad reputation. I love WvW, but I’m not going to leave my long time guild to play it.

I’ll admit, I’ve been quite a noob at times (learning how to use siege on my own – still afraid to touch a trebuchet or build a golem), but I am learning and I listen closely to people in chat and in say.

Some of us really do want to contribute and now you guys may need us even more. Communication is key.

Sorry if you meant my post. I was just trying to lighten the mood on all sides prior to reset (who can be angry with that face?!). But you are spot on. Communication is key – from both sides. There are bad guildies and bad pugs. Only way to get better is to learn and talk.

Haldunius.7864:

Sorry if you meant my post.

Nah, not at all, just been seeing it over the past few pages of this thread.

About 10 GODS members killing 30+ TC players at a tower. kitten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BliPD3MpGc

YB really brought it earlier. I was having fun with a very small group of people, poking FA a little bit in their BL. Was taking Green water and Champions, and killing Yaks for the most part. After a couple of hours got enough people together to take Green Lake. About 5 minutes later some big YB zerg (probably 3-4 times the people we had) showed up and took GL from us. All that work for nothing….

Anyways, lots of fun and good job on taking all of FABL.

I’m not sure why we decided to say bad things about FA players who aren’t in a large or well known WvW guilds. Sometimes some unwise things are done but that could be because people aren’t communicated to effectively or nobody is actually willing to help answer WvW questions. Not everyone has hours and hours to play every night so some people may not know exactly what to do at specific times in WvW, it doesn’t make them bad players.

Players from FA, thanks you for coming out and helping in WvW. Don’t be scared to make mistakes because that’s how you’ll learn. If anyone on FA has any questions about WvW I will be more than happy to try and answer questions to my best knowledge. Just send me a tell. If you need a group to run with one night I’d be happy to have you along and I’ll try and explain why we’re doing some of the stuff we’re doing. You guys are very important to the server and I know there are loads of WvW guilds out there willing to help.

Transferring from your home server to the overpopulated server that is handily winning and will be handily winning the match for the foreseeable future is extremely poor form.

I have no grudge against the GODS guys – I had fun running around with them in WuvWuv when no one else much was on. The problem is people who never WuvWuv, not people who go out there and try but have room for improvement. They showed up to fight and did their best and who can ask more than that?

But I can’t understand how the GODS players thought it would be a good idea to jump ship to the winning server in their same bracket- particularly when the winning server has such a big population advantage already and is in no danger whatsoever of losing, as it looks like the three servers in tier 3 are going to be the same for another couple weeks.

What did you expect your fellow guildmates and server community would think of this? There’s no other way to paint this but as betrayal and jumping ship to perhaps the one server in the entire game that has an outsize population for it’s bracket but is in no danger of moving up to higher brackets. I’m sure this is not what you intended, but it looks like the worst sort of bandwagoning.

I’m just trying to understand the thought processes here. If you had left to literally any other server, I think people on FA, including your own guild, would have been sorry to see you go but wished you luck – even including Yak’s Bend!

In fact I think people would be less irked if you had left to go to the #1 ranked server instead of leaving to go to TC and make the population balance in this tier even worse.

Changing servers to the current winner in your bracket is just staggeringly poor judgement and a great way to create a poor opinion of you all around – your old friends feel betrayed and your new friends will justifiably not welcome bandwagoners.

It’s such a horrible idea in all situations – particularly when it’s going to affect matchups for the next two weeks – that I’m surprised arena.net even allows it. I wouldn’t allow transfers between two servers in the same match, for a variety of reasons.

I was already a little leery of this match continuing for another week/two weeks, because TC has a tier 2 population and is thus in no danger of losing to YB/FA. I think YB/FA are very closely matched and could have a really fun match, but the ‘winner’ of that match will always be chosen by TC. If they focus more on FA, YB wins, if they focus more on YB, FA wins.

So the incentive for people to come out and wuvwuv is low and getting lower all the time – when people feel they can’t make a difference they stop showing up. Not a good situation for the game to be in. Note that it would have been this way even without GODS transferring to TC, but that move will only exacerbate an already flawed situation.

TL:DR If you’re going to transfer, never transfer to the server currently beating your old server in WvW. It’s tacky and classless.

Score update~!!!

Vorpal.4683:

TL:DR If you’re going to transfer, never transfer to the server currently beating your old server in WvW. It’s tacky and classless.

Yeah, that.

nyaonyao.8402:

Score update~!!!

TC needs to party in SMC and let the other 2 servers have a deathmatch

Vorpal.4683:

<snip: post about GODS moving>

According to the people in this thread, who I’ll believe because of lack of any real other info, this wasn’t originally intended as a mass GODS exodus. From what’s been posted, about 15-20 strong members of GODS got tired of the guild and wanted to move on, picking TC in the process. The leader of GODS heard about this and decided that the entire guild would also move. I can’t comment on why, but I don’t think that painting GODS as a whole as betrayers is all that fair.

My post was addressed at the original 15-20. I can’t think of a good reason to pick TC out of all the servers available other than a desire to irritate and annoy their now ex-guildies.

If the rest of GODS then decides to irritate/annoy them back by also transferring over to TC, well, that was a forseeable consequence of the poor decision making by that original group who transferred over to TC.

You would think that the poor sportsmanship displayed by switching to the winning team mid match would be self evident, but apparently not.

There are many good reasons to transfer, but it’s always best to transfer outside of your current and scheduled brackets to avoid needless ill-will and hurt feelings.

Losing a friend can be difficult, having a friend betray you is much more so.

I’d like to say that I would also be more than happy to answer any questions anyone has about WvWvW, whether you whisper me in-game or send me a PM on the forums here. If I don’t know the intricacies of the reason, I’ll be more than happy to find out from someone I think might know.

Never be afraid to ask questions. Only a pretentious kitten will treat honest questions that serve as attempts to learn and improve as beneath him/her. If I see any elitism in chat after such questions, you can bet your bottom dollar I’ll be engaging in that textual skirmish.

As long as you remain patient and calm while asking questions, no logical person will be able to blame you, and someone should be able to answer. Any frustration or snapping back when asking a question will result in no progress.

only a pretentious kitten

To be fair, is there any other kind? Cats have a fairly high opinion of themselves

Vorpal.4683:

My post was addressed at the original 15-20. I can’t think of a good reason to pick TC out of all the servers available other than a desire to irritate and annoy their now ex-guildies.

If the rest of GODS then decides to irritate/annoy them back by also transferring over to TC, well, that was a forseeable consequence of the poor decision making by that original group who transferred over to TC.

You would think that the poor sportsmanship displayed by switching to the winning team mid match would be self evident, but apparently not.

There are many good reasons to transfer, but it’s always best to transfer outside of your current and scheduled brackets to avoid needless ill-will and hurt feelings.

Losing a friend can be difficult, having a friend betray you is much more so.

Or, it could be because they think they’ll have a good time in TC or they like how TC does things. And they know this because…they have been playing against TC for two weeks.

Just a suggestion to show that not every decision made needs to be about being negative to one party, it could be about being positive to another instead.

nyaonyao.8402:

Score update~!!!

What a nail biter! Come on, that has to be super exciting.

Then I guess they are thrilled to have their old friends join them on TC!

But my basic point remains: it is extremely classless to switch sides to the winning team mid match.

If there are other, valid reasons for wishing to switch sides, you could at least wait until the matchups change.

This is also another indication of how the server transfers work hard to destroy any sense of server community. Look at what happened to Blackgate.

^I agree with Vorpal’s posts.

In particular the concern of the current and growing non-competitiveness level in this tier resulting in apathy and lower participation as time goes on.

I would also like to throw my name in the hat. Any member of FA who has any questions at all in WvW please feel free to send me a tell. I am always happy to help. We are all out there to have fun, the better prepared that our players are, the more fun we are all having.

It’s only “non-competitive” if you only think about winning the tier. And even then, it’s not impossible. FA’s performance is tied very closely to the activity of their major WvW guilds, and when most or all of them are playing FA is in fact usually dominant. TC wins in score because we have more average participation that isn’t usually tied to big guilds mobilizing large forces, but everyone who’s been playing the matchup knows that there’s always intense competition all around.

rhonyn.6810:

^I agree with Vorpal’s posts.

In particular the concern of the current and growing non-competitiveness level in this tier resulting in apathy and lower participation as time goes on.

I’ll never understand why people seem to lose their competitive edge against people they already “know”. The most fun I’ve had in previous years playing various games has been when we do FFAs or in-house DotA matches with only friends. Knowing subtleties can add some spice to the match and give it more flavor than crashing against anonymous faces.

Plus, I’m not sure people would have more fun up against servers with lower pops/coverage (lower tiers), or those with much higher pops/better coverage (higher tiers).

So who do these folks want to play? I guess this always comes back to the incentive problem. People can’t seem to conjure up the desire to just compete en masse. There always has to be some carrot to make sure various folks get their bodies into the maps to give it some semblance of population.

I could rant for days on this, so I’ll stop. As long as the battles against these two servers maintain their rockitude, I’ll be happy as a clam.

Score update. FA just passed Yaks and is now in second place. Still one to two hours left in the match, but it looks like FA is widening the gap.

It is possible people from a winning server would join a lower server. You never know what happens, especially when one feels the community is indifferent as the poster about said.

I have really enjoyed this matchup the past couple weeks. I think I would be ok if this was a “set matchup” forever.

From the open walls (both defense and offense) to the battles to protect/kill dolyaks, to the KITTENHOLE who built so much siege in our keep, to the end of GODS and the birth of GODS 2.0-Fort Aspenwood forever, its been a sweet week, and I hope everyone had a great time!

We aren’t going anywhere. We are here to claim territory for Fort Aspenwood, and make lootbags.

GODS is not leaving Fort Aspenwood. We had like 10 guys leave to break off. We’re here for life. Fort Aspenwood is my baby.

Urrid.4593:

nyaonyao.8402:

Score update~!!!

What a nail biter! Come on, that has to be super exciting.

Not really. Either way nothing changes except maybe the side of EB we start in.

Glad to hear it Derv!

-sigh of relief about queue times goes here-

So is all this about you publicly announcing a move in Lion’s Arch false information? How was it to “save face” or was this just one gigantic troll? I am so confused.

Unfortunately.5940:

Not really. Either way nothing changes except maybe the side of EB we start in.

That is an unfortunate way to look at things.

Vorpal.4683:

My post was addressed at the original 15-20. I can’t think of a good reason to pick TC out of all the servers available other than a desire to irritate and annoy their now ex-guildies.

If the rest of GODS then decides to irritate/annoy them back by also transferring over to TC, well, that was a forseeable consequence of the poor decision making by that original group who transferred over to TC.

You would think that the poor sportsmanship displayed by switching to the winning team mid match would be self evident, but apparently not.

There are many good reasons to transfer, but it’s always best to transfer outside of your current and scheduled brackets to avoid needless ill-will and hurt feelings.

Losing a friend can be difficult, having a friend betray you is much more so.

Yes, there is but one possible explanation for this treachery!!! We went there so that we can call ourselves winners of the week and bathe in the glory of our awesomeness in transferring to the #1 server in the illustrious Tier 3 Bracket!!!

For the record, the small group of us ex-GODS chose TC mostly because some of us had friends on there already. Some of us had been considering moving there months ago but stayed on FA to give GODS/Derv time to try and work things out (which clearly didnt happen).

Derv’s sudden decision to transfer ALL OF GODS to save face meant that those of us who left had to move fast if we wanted in before the next matchup. Else we’d be locked out until mid/late next week when, of course, you would have made the same assumption that you did today. Besides, the matchups are the same next week whether FA beat Yak’s or not, and you’re probably being more insulting to FA than you realize by implying the 15-20 of us leaving for 1 day means certain loss.

TL;DR; Next time anyone wants to xfer make sure to run it by Vorpal first so he is clear on your motivations and isn’t forced to make assumptions mkay?

Stay Classy.

Unfortunately.5940:

Urrid.4593:

nyaonyao.8402:

Score update~!!!

What a nail biter! Come on, that has to be super exciting.

Not really. Either way nothing changes except maybe the side of EB we start in.

Some of us would kill for that, we’ve been at green spawn for what must be the 4th week running now.

Also, looks like the GODS drama has come to a swift closure! Hopefully that is indeed the case.

Random thought- if people really want it to be very competitive here in tier 3, a few TC guilds could take a week or two to explore their opponents communities. People keep saying that everyone is basically here to stay in the tier for a while. Well the only way to gain more competitive number is either by stealing them from outside of the tier, or for the tier to even out within itself. So if any TCers want, come on over, we’d welcome you.

(maybe a bad thought, o well, this thread is almost over, so I doubt very many will even read it).

Cogbyrn.7283:

rhonyn.6810:

^I agree with Vorpal’s posts.

In particular the concern of the current and growing non-competitiveness level in this tier resulting in apathy and lower participation as time goes on.

I’ll never understand why people seem to lose their competitive edge against people they already “know”. The most fun I’ve had in previous years playing various games has been when we do FFAs or in-house DotA matches with only friends. Knowing subtleties can add some spice to the match and give it more flavor than crashing against anonymous faces.

Plus, I’m not sure people would have more fun up against servers with lower pops/coverage (lower tiers), or those with much higher pops/better coverage (higher tiers).

So who do these folks want to play? I guess this always comes back to the incentive problem. People can’t seem to conjure up the desire to just compete en masse. There always has to be some carrot to make sure various folks get their bodies into the maps to give it some semblance of population.

I could rant for days on this, so I’ll stop. As long as the battles against these two servers maintain their rockitude, I’ll be happy as a clam.

You seem to have missread….and not sure of the tangent you are going on….“knowing” has nothing to do with anything.

Server dynamics (barring large population shifts) dictate that TC will continue to win, and arguably TC’s actions have more to do with FA and YBs placing/scoring then FA and YB do themselves….that last point is the potential issue.