Guild Wars 2

Plok.6145:

Rashagal.5867:

@Plok

I’m not sure why you think playing a thief makes you any less vital to the team. Sure if all you ever do is roam around and kill you’re not being very helpful, but that’s true for any class. I play thief. I get lots of badges. But I also use all those extra badges i earn from kills to buy and place siege, use my mobility to do super fast supply runs, use my stealth to revive allies and/or get stomps on key targets that can turn battles, scorpion wire that kitteny ranger or ele spamming from the walls down for my comrades to kill while I AOE the seige on the enemy battlements, and use my speed to scout ahead of zergs to call out locations of enemies and report enemy army sizes to coordinate flanking maneuvers and call in people to defend positions that haven’t even been attacked yet. This is all not to mention that the thief has arguably the best damaging AOE spell with explosive shot and a 3 bounce auto shot that hits for 1.5k regularly and anti-enemy revival AOE with choking gas.

Explain again how I’m not helping my team and am causing AR to lose through these obvious examples of unskilled and selfish behavior…

Oh yeah… and be real: If %50 of our server ran thief, you wouldn’t ever see us coming, especially with the culling issues. %15 run thief at most. Yes, that number is an estimate, but 2 things: I let you know when I’m bullkitten you and I’d wager my badges of honor that my guess is a lot closer than yours.

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

ITT noone cares. lol

Kardiamond.6952:

@DKz Lux

No need to be boyscout, but no need to troll ether. It was cool the first week, now it’s just boring.Oh and last thread was closed because of flamming issue.

It just seems like everytime you post, you ignore anyone that replied to you, and use the same random arrogant argument.

I’m sure you are an intelligent being, and you only do that because you are bored.

Keep it clean boys!

You’re almost shaming me into making decent posts! If only I could be cool like you.

Rinzler.8072:

Plok.6145:

Rashagal.5867:

@Plok

I’m not sure why you think playing a thief makes you any less vital to the team. Sure if all you ever do is roam around and kill you’re not being very helpful, but that’s true for any class. I play thief. I get lots of badges. But I also use all those extra badges i earn from kills to buy and place siege, use my mobility to do super fast supply runs, use my stealth to revive allies and/or get stomps on key targets that can turn battles, scorpion wire that kitteny ranger or ele spamming from the walls down for my comrades to kill while I AOE the seige on the enemy battlements, and use my speed to scout ahead of zergs to call out locations of enemies and report enemy army sizes to coordinate flanking maneuvers and call in people to defend positions that haven’t even been attacked yet. This is all not to mention that the thief has arguably the best damaging AOE spell with explosive shot and a 3 bounce auto shot that hits for 1.5k regularly and anti-enemy revival AOE with choking gas.

Explain again how I’m not helping my team and am causing AR to lose through these obvious examples of unskilled and selfish behavior…

Oh yeah… and be real: If %50 of our server ran thief, you wouldn’t ever see us coming, especially with the culling issues. %15 run thief at most. Yes, that number is an estimate, but 2 things: I let you know when I’m bullkitten you and I’d wager my badges of honor that my guess is a lot closer than yours.

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

ITT noone cares. lol

Sorry SoS has been a non entity and rendered moot this week. Oh maybe I should make some troll posts instead of commenting truthfully on the happenings in the wvw.

let me guess, thief right?

DKz Lux.4125:

Kardiamond.6952:

@DKz Lux

No need to be boyscout, but no need to troll ether. It was cool the first week, now it’s just boring.Oh and last thread was closed because of flamming issue.

It just seems like everytime you post, you ignore anyone that replied to you, and use the same random arrogant argument.

I’m sure you are an intelligent being, and you only do that because you are bored.

Keep it clean boys!

You’re almost shaming me into making decent posts! If only I could be cool like you.

I’m trying man

And if you can lead an army, you can for sure post decent thing.

@Plok

It’s the same thing for us. Half my fight are vs Thief.

Thief are the FotM. They are the stealth class, like most MMORPG players loves being invisible. And most game have been really bad at balancing stealth class.

I hate thief, not because they are overpowered. My necro can destroy most of them (Except P/D stealth thief, those are such a long fight and I usually lose because they dispel my condition in stealth) but where is the fun in fighting an invis ennemy? I hate it.

Anyway, I’m out of context.

Anyone has a screenshot of the current score?

One of the biggest problems that BP faces is that is really hasn’t been vetted and suffer from the “smartest kid on the short bus” syndrome.

Lets look at how they got to be where they are today.

Tier 8.

They were able to beat Devona’s Rest and Kaineng. Beating up on the lowest Tier isn’t something to brag about.

Tier 7.

When it was challenging.

Rank 19 = Darkhaven, NSP, Yak’s, Emery Bay, Sorrows Furnace.
Rank 20 = Anvil Rock.

They consistently lost.

When things settled down , GoM joined Tier 7.

With a more even match-up they came into their own. Granted that GoM turned out to be a dying server but they at least made a fight out of it for 4 weeks.

So they beat GoM and Anvil Rock in Tier 7.

Tier 6

They beat a dead HoD server and it turns out a weak Sorrows Furnace server.

Next week it looks like they will have their first true test with both Dragonbrand and Darkhaven. Good luck and I’ll be the first to congratulate you if you prove to have equal success in the next tier.

-K

Kardiamond.6952:

@ktith.6197

You guys had a cool guild and all, it was great when you helped Anvil Rock in fights. But since you are leaving next week, you can stop bashing up the alliance every post you can. Solve your issue with them, no need to post them on the forum.

EOH jumped what? 3-4 server since release? It’s good to say it’s the server fault, but you also have to understand that you prolly have some fault also.

Kara I don’t remember speaking to you personally and I don’t think Xandria has either so go easy on the server transfer rumors. EOH has never jumped servers we are a new guild that was formed here in Anvil Rock. 8 of our 55 members used to play on one previous server, namely Devonas Rest. The rest of our members are Anvil Rock natives whom we’ve met since the transfer. Those of us that left Devonas Rest did so mainly because there was absolutely nothing to do. We would routinely log in to WvW and we would own the entire map with the exception of a few camps. It wasn’t always this way mind you. We were an extremely poor performing server at launch, but we got our acts together over the course of the first month and began to completely dominate the map. A few of us missed the challenge of a competitive server an decided to transfer.

Also we would never claim to have a problem with an entire server. The problems we’ve had with a handful of alliance members isn’t personal by any means. It is purely a difference in opinion over strategy and tactics. You see we like to win. We feel Anvil Rock can be winners that’s why we came here. But the bickering, incomprehensible strats of the alliance, and the utter lack of any kind ears to hear our suggestions has really worn us down over the last month and a half that we’ve been here. We will continue to fight tooth and nail for Anvil Rock every single night while we are here. We haven’t made a formal decision to leave, in fact I doubt that more than 8 or so members have even discussed it lol.

@ Kodiack

I agree with you in that us BP facing off against DB and DH will be a true test of our improvements. While you pointed out that we may have had easier fights that helped us move up, I strongly feel that we are not the same server months back when we were crushed by EB. We’ll just have to see how it goes.

In my opinion, AR was the toughest opponent we’ve faced in the recent matches. There certainly is a strong sense of rivalry, competitiveness, and borderline hatred between us, but this may have helped both of us improve and push ourselves to the limit. If we BP are able to hold ourselves against DH and DB in the next tier, I certainly think that you AR should deserve to move up and be there too.

@AntiHero

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier-4-How-s-your-WvW-Community/first#post962691

Well when Xandria make those kind of post, It’s not “rumors” anymore.

I agree the alliance can be hard to speak with, they seems to not listen to anyone other then themself. Even when they do little mistake that cost us a lot.

But they still do a lore more for the server then any kind of mistake they can do. They offer communication, commander, supplies, tips for new player and blueprint.

I liked EOH, the few time I crossed them. They were doing a good job.

The only issue I have is :

1- As anyone that know me from the forum, I have a bad opinion of guild transfering to another server.

2- Xandria perpetual attack again the alliance in public forum.

No need for that.

Otherwise, I still like you guys

amiable.4823:

And so do you. Listen, the fact that we are all in Tier 6 indicates that we are all somewhere on the spectrum of pretty terrible. And that’s OK. But chest-thumping and getting all bent our of shape about it is like a trio of fat kids arguing over who is the fastest.

Fat kid #1 (Borlis Pass): We are the best!!! Kneel before Zod!!!!
Fat kid #2 (Anvil’s Furnace): You only won because you got new sneakers, also we weren’t really trying.
Fat kid #3 (Sorrow’s Furnace): Listen guys, I’m going to go eat some pie, you in?

We are all fat kids, own that kitten.

The last part cracked me up Amiable. I agree with what you’re trying to convey. Win or lose, just be cool and move on to the next adventure.

Kodiack.2783:

One of the biggest problems that BP faces is that is really hasn’t been vetted and suffer from the “smartest kid on the short bus” syndrome.

Lets look at how they got to be where they are today.

Tier 8.

They were able to beat Devona’s Rest and Kaineng. Beating up on the lowest Tier isn’t something to brag about.

Tier 7.

When it was challenging.

Rank 19 = Darkhaven, NSP, Yak’s, Emery Bay, Sorrows Furnace.
Rank 20 = Anvil Rock.

They consistently lost.

When things settled down , GoM joined Tier 7.

With a more even match-up they came into their own. Granted that GoM turned out to be a dying server but they at least made a fight out of it for 4 weeks.

So they beat GoM and Anvil Rock in Tier 7.

Tier 6

They beat a dead HoD server and it turns out a weak Sorrows Furnace server.

Next week it looks like they will have their first true test with both Dragonbrand and Darkhaven. Good luck and I’ll be the first to congratulate you if you prove to have equal success in the next tier.

-K

We know that. We’re anxious and excited to see what will happen as well. However, we have lost plenty and know how that is like. So, if we get pushed so bad we end up stuck just defending our own borderlands, that’s how it will be. We will have to assess the situation and find out what we can do to make it better. If anything, losing is great for leveling alts.

But, someone did say that we would get stomped by SF when we moved up. We didn’t. Now the wish of some people in AR is that it happens in the next tier. But they won’t lose hope even if we do well next week. There will still be 4 tiers for AR to suck out the marrow of its sweet prophecy and cry tears of joy when they see BP losing a match by a landslide. “Yes. It will happen. One day it will finally happen! Praise the Lord!”

Kardiamond.6952:

@AntiHero

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier-4-How-s-your-WvW-Community/first#post962691

Well when Xandria make those kind of post, It’s not “rumors” anymore.

I agree the alliance can be hard to speak with, they seems to not listen to anyone other then themself. Even when they do little mistake that cost us a lot.

But they still do a lore more for the server then any kind of mistake they can do. They offer communication, commander, supplies, tips for new player and blueprint.

I liked EOH, the few time I crossed them. They were doing a good job.

The only issue I have is :

1- As anyone that know me from the forum, I have a bad opinion of guild transfering to another server.

2- Xandria perpetual attack again the alliance in public forum.

No need for that.

Otherwise, I still like you guys

1. Our guild on Devonas was 250 people strong. Our guild didn’t transfer only 8 friends. Also we could have transferred to BP if we just wanted to dominate in a higher tier but we did our research and chose AR because its where we thought we could make the most difference with the shortest que. Having a problem with guild transfers is valid but its not going to help our population issues right now. I would love to see a couple of active guilds move to AR because we could sure use them.
2. What you describe as an attack is a disagreement in the way things are done. An honest discussion in a public format should never be dissuaded by anyone because that’s how progress happens. We are vocal, we will not bite our tongue because someone paid for a TS server – we have our own. We teach our own new people, we have more blueprints than we could ever use. And we have 2 excellent commanders, soon to be three. We are pretty self sufficient.

We where happy to ignore the alliance completely and fight the way that we know how. That changed when alliance commanders started asking us to turn off our commander icons. That’s pretty kitten wrong if you ask me. Next we were told that if we do not join the alliance we would be blacklisted. Next the alliance tried to poach our officers with promises of free commander icons. This was all in the first week! Some welcome. You can not blame us for being outspoken on this forum. The most recent issue is that some of our new members sub level 50 mains are being trolled on say chat throughout WvW about wearing our tag by alliance members. I will not name names here but that is pretty weak behavior by AR’s supposed leaders.

There are quite a few more issues that I will not detail here. But you could see how we would be crazy not to explore other options on different servers.

Every guild leader we’ve talked to this week has basically said the same thing. We don’t agree with half the moves the alliance makes, we like EOH, but the alliance has free teamspeak so we like to keep the status quo. I say spend the 15 bucks and get your own TS. Post here openly instead of the private messages (we greatly appreciate all the pm support this week BTW.) Let your voices be heard. Lets shake things up, work hard, have some fun, and kick some tail in WvW.

So I just witnessed a low level mesmer at Anvil Rock’s spawn in Eternal Battleground flying through the air over and into the Anvil Rock Overlook Keep.

I partied a few Anvil Rock players to try and find out the identity. Emusa.4069 was not willing to help and likely told this hacker to leave the map. By the time I ran into some Anvil Rock players that were willing to help give a name, the hacker had left.

Now I understand all about the mesmer and I know you can teleport around a bit, but nonstop teleporting everytime you try any attack, and then flying through the air is utter trash.

I’m hoping most of Anvil Rock would agree with me that players like that mesmer don’t belong and should be banned. I also say that if anyone sees someone from BP doing the same, I will gladly help give a name. We need to call these cheaters out and I ask anyone with a shred of dignity to take part and help when you see stuff like that.

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

So I just witnessed a low level mesmer at Anvil Rock’s spawn in Eternal Battleground flying through the air over and into the Anvil Rock Overlook Keep.

I partied a few Anvil Rock players to try and find out the identity. Emusa.4069 was not willing to help and likely told this hacker to leave the map. By the time I ran into some Anvil Rock players that were willing to help give a name, the hacker had left.

Now I understand all about the mesmer and I know you can teleport around a bit, but nonstop teleporting everytime you try any attack, and then flying through the air is utter trash.

I’m hoping most of Anvil Rock would agree with me that players like that mesmer don’t belong and should be banned. I also say that if anyone sees someone from BP doing the same, I will gladly help give a name. We need to call these cheaters out and I ask anyone with a shred of dignity to take part and help when you see stuff like that.

Seconded, this is trash play and anyone approving such play should go back to Hello Kitty online.

Plok.6145:

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

…

let me guess, thief right?

Because bunker is such a pro build right? Signet buffs, auto atk heals, and bubble res’ing people to fight your battles for you must take a lot of skill.

let me guess, guardian right?

See what I did there? Every class has its own advantages and disadvantages. Legitimate balancing issues aside like culling (which isn’t even a balancing issue as it is exploited by everyone because its a computer rendering issue. Thieves and mesmers simply gain more from it since they render and derender more frequently because of their stealth. But i’ll admit that its an issue that DOES need to be addressed.) there isn’t much to complain about thieves for anymore. Perma stealth got cap’ed at 25 sec unless you mean the permastealth gained from the cap stall build, but that one is obsolete now. Dancing Dagger dmg got gutted as a viable anti res spell. C&D got cut my 1/3. They can no longer stall caps on points. And the FOTM build you’re talking about has no stun break except for the steal they used to initiate the fight, and the worst hp/toughness in the game and can literally be taken down in less than 2 secs by anyone with power gear and CC or a good understanding of where the thief will be headed when they stealth. Thieves run away because they can’t win unless they get the drop on you and a bunker is a hard counter. Besides, the profession is called thief, not warrior. Expecting him to go toe to toe and trade blows with you is pretty ignorant of the archetypes they are basing the game off of.

Most of the classes are pretty balanced right now. I’m not saying there isn’t more work for them to do, but complaining about class comp is a weak argument as, like you said, running solo doesn’t do much for your team, and believe it or not: most thieves don’t run solo. Scout ahead maybe, but in general they are like any other class, and understand that there is safety in numbers.

Rashagal.5867:

Plok.6145:

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

…

let me guess, thief right?

Because bunker is such a pro build right? Signet buffs, auto atk heals, and bubble res’ing people to fight your battles for you must take a lot of skill.

let me guess, guardian right?

See what I did there? Every class has its own advantages and disadvantages. Legitimate balancing issues aside like culling (which isn’t even a balancing issue as it is exploited by everyone because its a computer rendering issue. Thieves and mesmers simply gain more from it since they render and derender more frequently because of their stealth. But i’ll admit that its an issue that DOES need to be addressed.) there isn’t much to complain about thieves for anymore. Perma stealth got cap’ed at 25 sec unless you mean the permastealth gained from the cap stall build, but that one is obsolete now. Dancing Dagger dmg got gutted as a viable anti res spell. C&D got cut my 1/3. They can no longer stall caps on points. And the FOTM build you’re talking about has no stun break except for the steal they used to initiate the fight, and the worst hp/toughness in the game and can literally be taken down in less than 2 secs by anyone with power gear and CC or a good understanding of where the thief will be headed when they stealth. Thieves run away because they can’t win unless they get the drop on you and a bunker is a hard counter. Besides, the profession is called thief, not warrior. Expecting him to go toe to toe and trade blows with you is pretty ignorant of the archetypes they are basing the game off of.

Most of the classes are pretty balanced right now. I’m not saying there isn’t more work for them to do, but complaining about class comp is a weak argument as, like you said, running solo doesn’t do much for your team, and believe it or not: most thieves don’t run solo. Scout ahead maybe, but in general they are like any other class, and understand that there is safety in numbers.

I am indeed a guardian, but never have I played a bunker build. I am complete hybrid. I’m not using the advantage of not being seen to win. Yes, if you are playing a thief you are playing with an advanatage above all, sorry you don’t like that FACT.

Gremlin.1096:

@ Kodiack

I agree with you in that us BP facing off against DB and DH will be a true test of our improvements. While you pointed out that we may have had easier fights that helped us move up, I strongly feel that we are not the same server months back when we were crushed by EB. We’ll just have to see how it goes.

In my opinion, AR was the toughest opponent we’ve faced in the recent matches. There certainly is a strong sense of rivalry, competitiveness, and borderline hatred between us, but this may have helped both of us improve and push ourselves to the limit. If we BP are able to hold ourselves against DH and DB in the next tier, I certainly think that you AR should deserve to move up and be there too.

You have improved, a lot, no one is saying otherwise. It’s hard to get so many people to work together, at once. That is something to be proud of.

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

So I just witnessed a low level mesmer at Anvil Rock’s spawn in Eternal Battleground flying through the air over and into the Anvil Rock Overlook Keep.

I partied a few Anvil Rock players to try and find out the identity. Emusa.4069 was not willing to help and likely told this hacker to leave the map. By the time I ran into some Anvil Rock players that were willing to help give a name, the hacker had left.

Now I understand all about the mesmer and I know you can teleport around a bit, but nonstop teleporting everytime you try any attack, and then flying through the air is utter trash.

I’m hoping most of Anvil Rock would agree with me that players like that mesmer don’t belong and should be banned. I also say that if anyone sees someone from BP doing the same, I will gladly help give a name. We need to call these cheaters out and I ask anyone with a shred of dignity to take part and help when you see stuff like that.

I agree with this and if I happen to see said individual while I’m on I will be sure to report him. Lame people like this make the rest of us look bad and I have no intention of looking bad because of some tool.

jkctmc.8754:

Plok.6145:

Rinzler.8072:

Plok.6145:

Rashagal.5867:

@Plok

I’m not sure why you think playing a thief makes you any less vital to the team. Sure if all you ever do is roam around and kill you’re not being very helpful, but that’s true for any class. I play thief. I get lots of badges. But I also use all those extra badges i earn from kills to buy and place siege, use my mobility to do super fast supply runs, use my stealth to revive allies and/or get stomps on key targets that can turn battles, scorpion wire that kitteny ranger or ele spamming from the walls down for my comrades to kill while I AOE the seige on the enemy battlements, and use my speed to scout ahead of zergs to call out locations of enemies and report enemy army sizes to coordinate flanking maneuvers and call in people to defend positions that haven’t even been attacked yet. This is all not to mention that the thief has arguably the best damaging AOE spell with explosive shot and a 3 bounce auto shot that hits for 1.5k regularly and anti-enemy revival AOE with choking gas.

Explain again how I’m not helping my team and am causing AR to lose through these obvious examples of unskilled and selfish behavior…

Oh yeah… and be real: If %50 of our server ran thief, you wouldn’t ever see us coming, especially with the culling issues. %15 run thief at most. Yes, that number is an estimate, but 2 things: I let you know when I’m bullkitten you and I’d wager my badges of honor that my guess is a lot closer than yours.

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

ITT noone cares. lol

Sorry SoS has been a non entity and rendered moot this week. Oh maybe I should make some troll posts instead of commenting truthfully on the happenings in the wvw.

let me guess, thief right?

You lost several fortified towers to 9 of us, and almost lost two keeps to 9 of us when we would knock down a wall, or gate, and send in a Mesmer so we could come back later.

I’m sorry it is December, and us adults have more pressing matters, and the entire guild can’t get on, like your guilds full of children, who’re on winter vacation, and can play all hours, day/night while thier parents work.

The funny thing was, out of the nine, 7 were alts, 3 being under level 20.

<laughs>

/golfclap seriously? I love your generalizations. Most of your posts are pathetic and this continues the trend.
I took SM solo kitten, you are teh weak.

DKz Lux.4125:

Kodiack.2783:

One of the biggest problems that BP faces is that is really hasn’t been vetted and suffer from the “smartest kid on the short bus” syndrome.

Lets look at how they got to be where they are today.

Tier 8.

They were able to beat Devona’s Rest and Kaineng. Beating up on the lowest Tier isn’t something to brag about.

Tier 7.

When it was challenging.

Rank 19 = Darkhaven, NSP, Yak’s, Emery Bay, Sorrows Furnace.
Rank 20 = Anvil Rock.

They consistently lost.

When things settled down , GoM joined Tier 7.

With a more even match-up they came into their own. Granted that GoM turned out to be a dying server but they at least made a fight out of it for 4 weeks.

So they beat GoM and Anvil Rock in Tier 7.

Tier 6

They beat a dead HoD server and it turns out a weak Sorrows Furnace server.

Next week it looks like they will have their first true test with both Dragonbrand and Darkhaven. Good luck and I’ll be the first to congratulate you if you prove to have equal success in the next tier.

-K

We know that. We’re anxious and excited to see what will happen as well. However, we have lost plenty and know how that is like. So, if we get pushed so bad we end up stuck just defending our own borderlands, that’s how it will be. We will have to assess the situation and find out what we can do to make it better. If anything, losing is great for leveling alts.

But, someone did say that we would get stomped by SF when we moved up. We didn’t. Now the wish of some people in AR is that it happens in the next tier. But they won’t lose hope even if we do well next week. There will still be 4 tiers for AR to suck out the marrow of its sweet prophecy and cry tears of joy when they see BP losing a match by a landslide. “Yes. It will happen. One day it will finally happen! Praise the Lord!”

The state of the game is really bad, and no one really knows how bad it has got. Server transfers destroyed a lot of servers, while boosting the strength of a few. We’ll have to see how it all pans out. Just hope your server doesn’t lose a match, and fall to the way side like HOD, or ET. Remember pre-release no server could be HoD, but once everyone transfered there, the alliance left that server, and many more left because of it, destroying the server.

I came to Anvil Rock from Henge of Denravi once the queue times reachd 6ish hours. When I came here there was a guild, or alliance called ANV, which was upset they were being pitted against top servers, so they all left. From that point on a lot of people have been jumping ship off the server, while a guild TCMM joined Anvil Rock. I believe it’s panned out, and not many more have left, but we have to see in the months to come.

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

So I just witnessed a low level mesmer at Anvil Rock’s spawn in Eternal Battleground flying through the air over and into the Anvil Rock Overlook Keep.

I partied a few Anvil Rock players to try and find out the identity. Emusa.4069 was not willing to help and likely told this hacker to leave the map. By the time I ran into some Anvil Rock players that were willing to help give a name, the hacker had left.

Now I understand all about the mesmer and I know you can teleport around a bit, but nonstop teleporting everytime you try any attack, and then flying through the air is utter trash.

I’m hoping most of Anvil Rock would agree with me that players like that mesmer don’t belong and should be banned. I also say that if anyone sees someone from BP doing the same, I will gladly help give a name. We need to call these cheaters out and I ask anyone with a shred of dignity to take part and help when you see stuff like that.

I’ll send a report when I get on tonight. Cheating should never happen.

Plok.6145:

jkctmc.8754:

Plok.6145:

Rinzler.8072:

Plok.6145:

Rashagal.5867:

@Plok

I’m not sure why you think playing a thief makes you any less vital to the team. Sure if all you ever do is roam around and kill you’re not being very helpful, but that’s true for any class. I play thief. I get lots of badges. But I also use all those extra badges i earn from kills to buy and place siege, use my mobility to do super fast supply runs, use my stealth to revive allies and/or get stomps on key targets that can turn battles, scorpion wire that kitteny ranger or ele spamming from the walls down for my comrades to kill while I AOE the seige on the enemy battlements, and use my speed to scout ahead of zergs to call out locations of enemies and report enemy army sizes to coordinate flanking maneuvers and call in people to defend positions that haven’t even been attacked yet. This is all not to mention that the thief has arguably the best damaging AOE spell with explosive shot and a 3 bounce auto shot that hits for 1.5k regularly and anti-enemy revival AOE with choking gas.

Explain again how I’m not helping my team and am causing AR to lose through these obvious examples of unskilled and selfish behavior…

Oh yeah… and be real: If %50 of our server ran thief, you wouldn’t ever see us coming, especially with the culling issues. %15 run thief at most. Yes, that number is an estimate, but 2 things: I let you know when I’m bullkitten you and I’d wager my badges of honor that my guess is a lot closer than yours.

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

ITT noone cares. lol

Sorry SoS has been a non entity and rendered moot this week. Oh maybe I should make some troll posts instead of commenting truthfully on the happenings in the wvw.

let me guess, thief right?

You lost several fortified towers to 9 of us, and almost lost two keeps to 9 of us when we would knock down a wall, or gate, and send in a Mesmer so we could come back later.

I’m sorry it is December, and us adults have more pressing matters, and the entire guild can’t get on, like your guilds full of children, who’re on winter vacation, and can play all hours, day/night while thier parents work.

The funny thing was, out of the nine, 7 were alts, 3 being under level 20.

<laughs>

/golfclap seriously? I love your generalizations. Most of your posts are pathetic and this continues the trend.
I took SM solo kitten, you are teh weak.

You’re so funny. Ask around. That is exactly what we did last night. But far be it from me to expect anyone from Borlis Pass, or GOAT for that matter to be honest, respectful, or at best mature about things.

We alsot got a few new faces in the guild that we’re teaching lately. So I’m expecting you to kill one of them, and run here to the forums and scream about the lack of skill SoS has, because that’s your style.

Cracks me up we can’t play alts, invite new players, or anything that might make us look bad because of children who run to the forums with nonsense all day long. Notice the lack of these kinds of posts from SoS members when we roll other guilds, regardless of the situation?

TS should be public and server-wide. If it belongs to the alliance and only those in it can join, I would push for a public server-wide one. In Borlis we have one and anyone that wishes may use it. In fact, we try our best to get as many people in there as we can.

The commander tag thing is a bit delicate cause many commanders do use their tags when it’s unnecessary. I have been in situations where I simply had to turn my tag off and ask my guys to follow an unknown commander because being in one group was more important at that moment then having many smaller ones and the guy for some reason insisted on having his tag on. I mean, when I run with guildies only I don’t even turn it on cause I have them on ts and we can communicate well being in parties. Sometimes we just put the target on the head of the person leading and that’s a commander tag on a budget.

Tag stacking has been a problem in Borlis though. I think less experienced commanders should have the humility to turn their tags off IF they won’t lead their own groups. I mean, a guy comes in the map by himself and turns his tag on. The other commander with his tag on has a group of 25 of his guildies and friends. What is the first guy trying to do? He’s just trying to be important and pushing it on other people. So you definitely should ask yourself if the tag is necessary as a tool at that moment.

Also, why have more than 1 commander wear the tag in one place? If they often split groups and have their own squads I can understand, but if they’re all gonna be in one place, I don’t see the point. 1 group 1 commander is almost always the right answer imo. That being said though, you should respect people and try to make them see reason. Alas, sometimes you won’t be able to and will just have to suck it up. I do find the typical “I paid 100g for it so I will use it whenever I want” attitude quite silly though. I mean, you might have paid 200 dollars for a cologne but that doesn’t mean you should wear it all the time.

Anyways, hope you guys find a good home for your guild or solve your issues with the alliance. Hoping more guilds would transfer to AR might not be the best option though, as that could actually create even more problems.

@DK

They need to give us a commander tag that only guild members can see.

jkctmc.8754:

@DK

They need to give us a commander tag that only guild members can see.

That would further stratify WVW gameplay, not everyone is a part of everyone’s else’s guild. So I would be forced to join DkZ, if I want to follow Diash. So why have a guild with my friends? Maybe a limit on the amount of Commander tags in a map, OR (wait for it . . .) communication so there is less confusion. I think we do that on BP . . .

Ella Fitzgerald for Commander!

Flayfirst.4735:

jkctmc.8754:

@DK

They need to give us a commander tag that only guild members can see.

That would further stratify WVW gameplay, not everyone is a part of everyone’s else’s guild. So I would be forced to join DkZ, if I want to follow Diash. So why have a guild with my friends? Maybe a limit on the amount of Commander tags in a map, OR (wait for it . . .) communication so there is less confusion. I think we do that on BP . . .

I actually like that idea. At least you should have the option of having the tag show map-wide or just be restricted to guild members.

It would also help a lot if they fixed the squad joining through left clicking the icon on the map. Cause that isn’t working right now.

Plok.6145:

Rashagal.5867:

Plok.6145:

Well, last night my small group ran around for a couple of hours. I would say AT LEAST half our overall kills were thieves. Can’t say positively they were all AR but tons were. Even found a group of four ezmoders on middle island that exploded from AE. You can throw a million pieces of siege, running around solo, generally does kitten for the realm as a whole. Hey I run around solo on occasion but I know all i am doing is looking for fights, nothing generally for the realm. Oh, and I do love when a thief attacks me with his shing shing and they see very little health come off and then run away, it amuses me.

FOTM: Thief, cause some need that base advantage.

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let me guess, thief right?

Because bunker is such a pro build right? Signet buffs, auto atk heals, and bubble res’ing people to fight your battles for you must take a lot of skill.

let me guess, guardian right?

See what I did there? Every class has its own advantages and disadvantages. Legitimate balancing issues aside like culling (which isn’t even a balancing issue as it is exploited by everyone because its a computer rendering issue. Thieves and mesmers simply gain more from it since they render and derender more frequently because of their stealth. But i’ll admit that its an issue that DOES need to be addressed.) there isn’t much to complain about thieves for anymore. Perma stealth got cap’ed at 25 sec unless you mean the permastealth gained from the cap stall build, but that one is obsolete now. Dancing Dagger dmg got gutted as a viable anti res spell. C&D got cut my 1/3. They can no longer stall caps on points. And the FOTM build you’re talking about has no stun break except for the steal they used to initiate the fight, and the worst hp/toughness in the game and can literally be taken down in less than 2 secs by anyone with power gear and CC or a good understanding of where the thief will be headed when they stealth. Thieves run away because they can’t win unless they get the drop on you and a bunker is a hard counter. Besides, the profession is called thief, not warrior. Expecting him to go toe to toe and trade blows with you is pretty ignorant of the archetypes they are basing the game off of.

Most of the classes are pretty balanced right now. I’m not saying there isn’t more work for them to do, but complaining about class comp is a weak argument as, like you said, running solo doesn’t do much for your team, and believe it or not: most thieves don’t run solo. Scout ahead maybe, but in general they are like any other class, and understand that there is safety in numbers.

I am indeed a guardian, but never have I played a bunker build. I am complete hybrid. I’m not using the advantage of not being seen to win. Yes, if you are playing a thief you are playing with an advanatage above all, sorry you don’t like that FACT.

I play a thief and a guardian.

Running with zergs (like borlis pass does) a guardian is far more easy mode. Let me guess, atruistic healing build of some sort?

@Flayfirst

You keep the normal Commander tag for everyone to see, but you also add a guild Commander tag for guildmates to see across the map, or a raid style tag that only those you invite to a larger group can see.

Yes, it is true that EOH is exploring other server options for viability. No it is not true we’ve been server hoping. As AntiHero has explained (quite well I thought) 8 people from a 250 member guild on DR left and came to AR with the hopes of making friends and creating a guild that was WvW structured. We did just that. We may not have 100’s of members like many of the other guilds on this server, but we have enough and besides the 8 originals, all members otherwise have come from the AR populace. We have a non-alliance, alliance, with a few other guilds on the server that have also voiced the same opinion of the alliance here and what’s going on within it.

After my initial post yesterday about the T4 bracket, I can’t tell you how many private messsages that I got from several members of the WvW community within AR. I was so bombarded with tells that I literally couldn’t do my normal farming runs for 4 hours straight. Many people asked why, some said please stay you’ve done a lot for this server (their words), and others I just had a good conversation with. Some were member guilds within the alliance. So, that being said, EOH has never fully shunned the alliance as the alliance has shunned us from day one. We’re constantly told to go back to our home server. How is it that we’re supposed to do that when 90% of our guild is made up of Anvil Rock originals? What are we supposed to do or say when day in and day out our lesser leveled members are told to kitten off because of the EOH tag only? These people don’t deserve to be treated in this manner because of a difference in how tactics are handled in WvW. Furthermore, I led a successful EB campaign the first night of the matchup change and helped to keep everything in the northern part of EB. I personally spent 12g that night on upgrades and siege to an overlook and towers that were claimed by alliance guilds that just wanted to put their banner’s up but didn’t want to spend the gold to do the upgrades. Did I get props for any of it? Sure as hell didn’t. Would I do it again? Sure as hell will, because I view it as helping the server, whether the alliance likes it or not. Of course when I say alliance, it’s really only a select few that the problem exists with. Do I or we work with alliance commanders? All the fricken time and we do it often.

Our guild has to agree on a move, we don’t just go because of whatever. Yes, it sucks that a small guild like ours made up of primarily Anvil Rock residents gets such the end of the black stick that it makes the community come into a split decision about what they do. Will EOH ever be a part of the alliance? No. Can relations be repaired? Maybe. But, this is a two sided street. If you want to continue to blacklist a guild that’s been upgrading, supporting, and teaching new WvW members of the community how, what and why things are used and where….then you’re only hurting the community more. Personally I feel we do a lot for WvW when we’re in there, but hey that’s an opinion of one individual. This alliance has to learn that you can’t force people to be a part of “your thing” because “your thing” isn’t good for everyone involved. And, if you were the leaders you claim to be, you’d be trying to be diplomatic about it at the very least, not trash talking a small 50 man guild every “server meeting” you have.

So I now know the hacker’s game ID.

It is: orionpk.7639 (known as Garaxia)

She would fly over and into Anvil Rock Overlook in eternal battleground.
She would hack herself into the walls and under the terrain.
She would hack teleport constantly to avoid being hit (2 teleports per second is NOT A BUILD)

Special thank you to Anvil Rock players who helped get the information.

any news on the stats of Garaxia sorry was not there to see it due farm ore in the CS again along with events.

Well most online in Eternal Battlegrounds from Borlis Pass have sent in reports, and I’d ask that anyone who reads these forums do the same. Thank you.

Rinzler.8072:

…Let me guess…

Stop it, you are terrible at the guessing game. Plok is neither pure bunker or pure healing, seems like you would know that since we routinely roll you and your guild over and over and over with Plok leading the charge. You and your guild should also have noticed by now that we almost always run with only our own guild and our groups rarely exceed 25 members.
BTW I am a ranger got anything snarky for that? Maybe our OP spirits and shouts?

@Vigrith

Goat members can actually kill anything but alts? <laughs>

Screenshot, or it didn’t happen, and when you kill a solid guild, look for those little green arrows that shows you if they’re 80 or not. We roll over GOAT quite often when on our 80s.

jkctmc.8754:

@Vigrith

Goat members can actually kill anything but alts? <laughs>

Screenshot, or it didn’t happen, and when you kill a solid guild, look for those little green arrows that shows you if they’re 80 or not. We roll over GOAT quite often when on our 80s.

Now you are just dreaming.

jkctmc.8754:

@Vigrith

Goat members can actually kill anything but alts? <laughs>

Screenshot, or it didn’t happen, and when you kill a solid guild, look for those little green arrows that shows you if they’re 80 or not. We roll over GOAT quite often when on our 80s.

The anonymous “we” that can kill us.
I like how in one breath you demand proof from me, while in the next you make similar claims without proof of your own. We both know the reasons for that are in reality the only groups that roll GOATs are groups that outnumbers us greatly. The only people that don’t already know that have yet to meet us in battle.

Some tough fights last night in the AR borderlands, our puny AR force held off your large BP zerg for quite a while, at one point I was defending the AR garrison for over an hour and although we lost in the end and a little frustrating, for the most part it was fun. I was the crazy warrior that kept running out beyond the walls to atempt to destroy the siege weapons, also managed to put a few people in the downed state before being cc locked and burned down myself

Vigrith.8136:

Rinzler.8072:

…Let me guess…

Stop it, you are terrible at the guessing game. Plok is neither pure bunker or pure healing, seems like you would know that since we routinely roll you and your guild over and over and over with Plok leading the charge. You and your guild should also have noticed by now that we almost always run with only our own guild and our groups rarely exceed 25 members.
BTW I am a ranger got anything snarky for that? Maybe our OP spirits and shouts?

Ive never been rolled by GOAT. I have fought you alot, you have some good players and you have put up some good fights. But most the time it ends up with GOAT corpses laying around me.

Anyways, start takign screen shots of when you rolled me, and ill do the same. Talk is cheap :-)

edit: Noone is dumb enought o do full healing, since they nerfed healing power. Ide guess a crit build (like me) with altruistic healing.

Hi ya, AR mesmer here Naira Leondres. Hopefully you have ran into one of my guild banners. Your welcome for the laugh. Only [KMC] you’ll probably ever see in WvWvW. Seeing as being the sole guild founder and active member gives me the ability to predict this. ( Yes I need a whole guild to myself ! )

I wanna Thank SF for your scouting and ambush parties. God I love finding those. Especially when Im cloning along all by my lonesome. I wont run from 2 or even 3 red names. But dam hide a couple thieves and Im dead before I know what is happening. Always fun. (not being sarcastic one bit, figured I should point that out before hand. Im not one to get angry at a death or many deaths. Gives me more motivation to Learn to become better)

Bp… yeah, I have nothing nice to say so I won’t say anything at all. Oh wait ! I do, you have magical powers that make it so that you always give us the out manned buff on your bl (hell even 80% of the time on any other bl). Makes for interesting nights and unorthodox game play. For that, Thanks.

And finally AR here are a few screenies may the words of Lacy ring in your brains ?"Hi-Ho Off to Smash things We Goooooo !"? (yeah on BP’s bl you can tell by the buffs) One of the few moments I have been proud to follow “the zerg”.

And for the TL;DR groupies…. Golems Smash !

Rinzler.8072:

Vigrith.8136:

Rinzler.8072:

…Let me guess…

Stop it, you are terrible at the guessing game. Plok is neither pure bunker or pure healing, seems like you would know that since we routinely roll you and your guild over and over and over with Plok leading the charge. You and your guild should also have noticed by now that we almost always run with only our own guild and our groups rarely exceed 25 members.
BTW I am a ranger got anything snarky for that? Maybe our OP spirits and shouts?

Ive never been rolled by GOAT. I have fought you alot, you have some good players and you have put up some good fights. But most the time it ends up with GOAT corpses laying around me.

Anyways, start takign screen shots of when you rolled me, and ill do the same. Talk is cheap :-)

edit: Noone is dumb enought o do full healing, since they nerfed healing power. Ide guess a crit build (like me) with altruistic healing.

The largest GOAT group roaming around this week at all was 7, so yea. I don’t give a flying kitten about your guild, nor do i notice them when i am plowing over things. Please kitten already.

@Plok

There is a reason your guild has been complaining about Thieves lately. I suppose you forgot about the three thieves who killed the 12 of your members, maybe a pick up or two.

Our guild has never been rolled over when we’ve all been on our 80s.

The game needs a few WvW fixes:
-Commander should be a Guild Influence points unlock.. that cost like 40k in the politics lines. A guild can purchase as many as they can afford at 40k a pop.
-Warband function: where 4 groups that join together and see where each other are on the map, and all appear as brown dots on the mini map, with the warbandlead being in a different color then the rest.

Regarding to many commanders… yes the zerg does run with to many commanders, i have seen like 5 commander dots in 1 spot many many times with many of the “alliance” zergs.. i often ask myself why? just to really show the purgers, this is where the zerg is at?

when i use my command dot, is for my guild members to have a much easier time knowing exactly where we are when then join the fight.. and for players that don’t wish to run with the massive zerg.

SOS is never on their 80s. Whenever we push you guys off our map or wipe you, we get the same forum post. Your lucky we are lvling our alts and not on our 80s! I guess if you have that much of an ego as a guild…idk. At least i can admit when my guild groups get wiped from an AR or SF guild and we learn to counter those guilds by learning how we lost to them. We dont just go on the forums and say hey we were on our alts raiding camps! wait til you see my 80 that i dont play!

Hadan.2841:

SOS is never on their 80s. Whenever we push you guys off our map or wipe you, we get the same forum post. Your lucky we are lvling our alts and not on our 80s! I guess if you have that much of an ego as a guild…idk. At least i can admit when my guild groups get wiped from an AR or SF guild and we learn to counter those guilds by learning how we lost to them. We dont just go on the forums and say hey we were on our alts raiding camps! wait til you see my 80 that i dont play!

Yep, sums up AR.

Edit: SoS not AR.

Just thought I would break up the finger pointing, QQing and trolling with some gems from another match-ups thread.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hey guys, Ferrum Blacktide here, a commander from GoM. You guys losing is not a result of outnumbering, cheating, or hacking. The commanders of GoM have been planning our comeback for the past two weeks, so thank you all for being a part of it. It really means a lot to me that so many of you guys are still being good sports about it.

PS: GoM finally learned to defend.

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Overworld.9613:

…So yeah, we need to share and talk more, I think we can totally take AR and BP and any other server if we all knew what we were doing.

Hadan.2841:

SOS is never on their 80s. Whenever we push you guys off our map or wipe you, we get the same forum post. Your lucky we are lvling our alts and not on our 80s! I guess if you have that much of an ego as a guild…idk. At least i can admit when my guild groups get wiped from an AR or SF guild and we learn to counter those guilds by learning how we lost to them. We dont just go on the forums and say hey we were on our alts raiding camps! wait til you see my 80 that i dont play!

I have 4 80s, Ranger, Warrior, Thief, and Guardian, all four of those in full 80 exotics, currently trying out Knight gear, all of which have had full Beserker gear, and full Karma gear from Orr, with a 43 Mesmer moving up slowly to 80 since the Borlis surge in population making the last 80, and Karma run much harder than previous toons.

Most of us have the same, so yeah, we’re on alts a lot. I’m sorry facts suck for you, but facts are facts. I have 28g saved up for Exotic gear, and 200k Karma on my 43 Mesmer already, once I use the jugs saved up.

You enjoy running with the zerg, we’re enjoying our alts until we get a semi-balanced population to fight. It’s fun to take towers with low level alts, especially when they’re reinforced.

It’s not like how GOAT never loses, ever.

jkctmc.8754:

@Plok

There is a reason your guild has been complaining about Thieves lately. I suppose you forgot about the three thieves who killed the 12 of your members, maybe a pick up or two.

Our guild has never been rolled over when we’ve all been on our 80s.

LOL never happened.

jkctmc.8754:

It’s not like how GOAT never loses, ever.

We certainly lose plenty. In fact quite a few of your members participated in another glorious routing of GOAT along with the other 50 AR at bay. SoS got us again! Good on you!

Every map every where you go there is a 20+ BPzerg, starting to get a bit old

Cullan.9645:

Every map every where you go there is a 20+ BPzerg, starting to get a bit old

Communication my friend.

Whenever one of us sees someone that we think looks like you, we call our 20 man zerg. So really there is only one 20 man zerg.

No, I’m kidding. But we really have good communication.