Guild Wars 2

MrKnieves.4162:

60v60? LOL, that must be some awesome lag and slideshow. On T4 we have plenty of 30v30 daily and is a nightmare, and my PC is on the bleeding edge.

Seems more like 40v40 most of the time but either way its a nightmare half the time unless I crank down the graphics.

Things that bad players who think that they are hardcore say: “60v60 is fun”

When my server dropped from t1 champs sea of sorrows and started to fall down tiers. My guild found out how lower tiers handle tough competition and fights. They just move to the map my guild was not on. Or stack one BL so much we end up fighting the whole server. Lower tiers say they don’t want to be t1 yet they play the ppt more hard up then any t1 server.

Bottom line t1 or bust, I’m on SOR now and it’s the best fighting I’ve seen yet.

Edit: all I do is roam in EB I’m rank 52

SBI has been T1 for a long while. Down to T5 then now T4. Many left to stay in the fabled top tiers. Many stayed. Granted, only a (significant) fraction of our current WvWers remember that time but we all agree it’s some of the best WvW experiences we had.

When you say loyalty should go towards your guild and friends…I’m sorry you feel that way. There is something special in winning a battle together with people you know since BWE.

WvW is a boring, unchallenging experience after a while. Then you look around you and see familiar names and places, and the motivation returns.

As for the quality of fights – plenty of good players and guilds to be found in lower tiers. And plenty of fun and enjoyment. Sorry if people “up” there seem to miss that.

It’s kind of funny that this guy doesn’t think that extending and turning and flanking and counter-flanking exist in the lower tiers. Guess what, they do. The main difference is that it’s on a smaller scale so a person’s individual skill comes into play much more than some ridiculous zerg versus zerg fight.

Which is more hardcore? A 5v5 where both sides know each other and who wins really matters? Or a 60 vs 60 where you just get to hide in the masses and no one will know whether you played well or played poorly.

There are much higher stakes in small group versus small group fights. Sorry. That is hardcore. Hiding in zergs is not hardcore.

I will say that I would rather fight 20v20v20 or 30v30v30 than 60v60 or 40v40 straight up. Having the 3rd dimension to the fight changes everything, and the times when I’ve seen things on the scale of 60v60v60 inside the lord room of SM have been the times when you can run through the entire room mashing buttons without ever using a skill or being hit due to lag on the server end. I don’t think I want those fights on a regular basis… I’d rather have what I have in T5 and T4.

Oozo.7856:

It’s kind of funny that this guy doesn’t think that extending and turning and flanking and counter-flanking exist in the lower tiers. Guess what, they do. The main difference is that it’s on a smaller scale so a person’s individual skill comes into play much more than some ridiculous zerg versus zerg fight.

Which is more hardcore? A 5v5 where both sides know each other and who wins really matters? Or a 60 vs 60 where you just get to hide in the masses and no one will know whether you played well or played poorly.

There are much higher stakes in small group versus small group fights. Sorry. That is hardcore. Hiding in zergs is not hardcore.

It’s like compare William Wallace (zergling) and karate kid (silly small scale fighter). Of course 60 vs 60 is cooler than 5 vs 5.

5v60 or you aren’t really pro

Individual glory vs group, it’s funny to see people post about self glory. It’s a game nobody cares about your name or bravado. You might find people who respect you for what you can do to them. That’s called dominance.

Transfers are expensive and they don’t guarantee that you will stay in the top tiers. You are at the mercy of the large WvW alliances and whichever server they decide they will migrate to next. Same situation as those drivers who are constantly switching lanes hoping to get a little bit ahead but end up moving no where.

What’s funny is by reading this, anyone who has really competed on a true hardcore “elitest” platform knows 99% of you have never even seen what that looks like, let alone how to actually do it.

Gw2 community is literally like, "starter mmo here! Pvp for the first time today with just a download! Talk about your experience here (not your lack there of)!

Oozo.7856:

It’s kind of funny that this guy doesn’t think that extending and turning and flanking and counter-flanking exist in the lower tiers. Guess what, they do. The main difference is that it’s on a smaller scale so a person’s individual skill comes into play much more than some ridiculous zerg versus zerg fight.

Which is more hardcore? A 5v5 where both sides know each other and who wins really matters? Or a 60 vs 60 where you just get to hide in the masses and no one will know whether you played well or played poorly.

There are much higher stakes in small group versus small group fights. Sorry. That is hardcore. Hiding in zergs is not hardcore.

But there are plenty of 5v5, 10v10, 20v20 in higher tiers too. There are a lot of havoc teams going around stealing camps and ninjaing towers. These kind of smaller scale battles aren’t exclusive to lower tiers alone. Players have plenty of opportunity to prove their individual skills even in higher tiers.

It is just that if one day you are up for some 60v60 epic action, you cannot find them in lower tiers.

Higher tiers=have both small scales battles and large scale battles.
Lower tiers=Mostly small scale battles. There might be large scale battles once in a while.

MrKnieves.4162:

Ljiona.9142:

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

It’s more like:
EB without a commander
Team Chat: Pug1: Mendon just flipped!
Team Chat: Pug2: Ill go with my party
Team Chat: Pug3: Ok, I have three people with me so we’re heading to Speldan

While On Mendon
Pug:1: drops ram and team builds
Pug3: Speldan flipped come resupply!
Pug3 arrives at Mendon drops ram and it gets built

5 minutes later Mendon is Flipped and everyone goes with whatever they were doing.

I laughed when I read this. But yes, silly stuff like this can happen. I have seen flaming rams built at most curious locations.

I have played in Tiers 1 through 5 during my time in GW2. while I only have around 2000 hrs played, the vast majority of my time is played in WvWvW.

As a previous MERC, I saw a variety of large scale battles and learned a number of different tactics. It was a lot of fun. I still am involved in full map force vs map force battles, just not ever day now and the total numbers are usually lower.

IMHO, there is very little individual skill lvl difference between tiers. IMHO, Large scale tactics can be learned very quickly and IMHO, 1-2 leaders can make all the difference in battles.

IMHO, the enjoyment factor is personal and I am enjoying T4 as much as I enjoyed T1.

elkirin.8534:

I have played in Tiers 1 through 5 during my time in GW2. while I only have around 2000 hrs played, the vast majority of my time is played in WvWvW.

As a previous MERC, I saw a variety of large scale battles and learned a number of different tactics. It was a lot of fun. I still am involved in full map force vs map force battles, just not ever day now and the total numbers are usually lower.

IMHO, there is very little individual skill lvl difference between tiers. IMHO, Large scale tactics can be learned very quickly and IMHO, 1-2 leaders can make all the difference in battles.

IMHO, the enjoyment factor is personal and I am enjoying T4 as much as I enjoyed T1.

I think you should have used IMHO a few more times.

Waffler.1257:

elkirin.8534:

I have played in Tiers 1 through 5 during my time in GW2. while I only have around 2000 hrs played, the vast majority of my time is played in WvWvW.

As a previous MERC, I saw a variety of large scale battles and learned a number of different tactics. It was a lot of fun. I still am involved in full map force vs map force battles, just not ever day now and the total numbers are usually lower.

IMHO, there is very little individual skill lvl difference between tiers. IMHO, Large scale tactics can be learned very quickly and IMHO, 1-2 leaders can make all the difference in battles.

IMHO, the enjoyment factor is personal and I am enjoying T4 as much as I enjoyed T1.

I think you should have used IMHO a few more times.

Is that your humble opinion?

ITT: Misconceptions and generalizations about high tiers from low tiers, and misconceptions and generalizations about low tiers from high tiers.

Thank you Waffler for copy pasting the entire post in your reply. I am used to people snipping out individual lines and write accordingly.

high tier = skill lag
low tier = hey I can use more than auto attack skill 1

Hard core WvW players are better suited to the mid tiers than the top tiers which attract bandwagon pugs. Just ask SFR what free transfers did for them.

Mindtrick.5190:

When my server dropped from t1 champs sea of sorrows and started to fall down tiers. My guild found out how lower tiers handle tough competition and fights. They just move to the map my guild was not on. Or stack one BL so much we end up fighting the whole server. Lower tiers say they don’t want to be t1 yet they play the ppt more hard up then any t1 server.

Bottom line t1 or bust, I’m on SOR now and it’s the best fighting I’ve seen yet.

Edit: all I do is roam in EB I’m rank 52

That was t3 and dragonbrand especially. It’s a hell of a lot better now. CD and SBI aren’t cowards, and keep coming and trying new tactics even if they wipe.

Erm.
I WvW daily for about 5 hours atleast (max 12hrs) and thats 100% of my time.

Currently in tier7.

Why?
My guild is hardcore, from playing in higher tiers I’d say it could compete with the T2 WvW guild servers. And thats not me being a noob, we put out similar numbers on reset all trained players.
We also have no queues and commanders get real server recognition when they are actually good (that and you don’t come up to single tower and have 30 AC’s just raining down fire on you).

Sure there are a handful of bad commanders who wander into WvW from PvE who think they’re good. But atleast I don’t have much conflict from other actual WvW Commanders, simply because there aren’t many.

Why be 1/20 of the best on a top tier server when you can have an entire timezone to yourself on a lower tier?
Yeh its an interesting change of play down here, I actually think its more difficult since you can’t rely on sheer mass.

Because higher tier doesn’t mean more skilled players.
Lower tiers don’t suffer from server instability and lag.
Lower tiers don’t have to worry about queues.
Lower tiers tend to offer more roaming action.

Why would I play this game if I had to wait in queue for an hour only to find talentless hacks that can’t accomplish anything outside the zerg?

Lol at higher teir = better skill and more hardcore players.
There are good and bad and awesome players in all teirs.

Current EU drama is all teh high tier servers jumping on ROS.
Current mathcup ROS ROF DZ.
DZ and ROF have been in ping pong with t8 /t7 alongside GH for a month
Current ranking gains: ROS -11.9, DZ -9, ROF +17.

Sure score wise ROS are winning but not by anywhere near what they should be, given their new high tier awesomely organised transfers, that are better than us scrub t7/8 players & guilds. No offence meant to the guys on ROS, cos they do have great organisation and palyers, I just think the OP hasn’t got a clue about t4 and below.

As to 60 vs 60 we had that at stonemist in t7 just last night, so the whole you never get that in lower tiers is just a bold face load of bunkum. Its not as common but its available every week.

However, it isnt as much fun to be honest, stupid lag. We do have plenty of 30 vs 30 , 10 vs 30, 20 vs 40 etc on the lower tiers, just you also get plenty of 1 v1 , 5 v5 , 3 v5, 10 v 15 and so on. Best of both worlds if you ask me. Though we don’t get much over 60 vs 60 ever, except the ol’ 40 v 60 v 40 in sm lord room.

Higher tiers just sound horrid from what I’ve heard. Lag, queues, zerg v zerg only blah blah blah.

someone mentioned about queue time in T1.

afaik, they only exist during weekend. come weekdays there’s always a borderland with no queue……

CHIPS.6018:

Paxus.6543:

Ohh wow your logic is so amazing. I never realized how inferior all servers below t4 are. As a matter of fact I am going to transfer to Kaineng right now so I can be leet like you are. Not.

Question for you. Were you there for Kaineng’s rise up to the leet tiers or did you just bandwagon after they got up there? Im guessing the latter. What if everyone on Kaineng back in the day had your failed logic and just transferred servers because that was the “smart” thing to do instead of working your way up? Guess you would be playing on some other server.
I am not sure if you are putting this out there as some sort of recruitment tool or you just think you are all that but you are way off base.

Oh no. I actually think there are some very good players in lower tiers. In fact I won’t be surprised if individual players skills is slightly higher in lower tiers. However as the zerg gets bigger you need organization. It is the organization, not individual player skills, that wins the day.

Higher tier wvw is not a mindless zerg feast like many believed. A server that just mindlessly zergs won’t survive up there for long.

I personally find team organization and teamwork more entertaining than individual skills. That’s why I like higher tiers more.

The next thing is the scale of battle. Even in tier 2 we get our fair share of 10vs10 and 20vs20 battles. However those 60vs60 battles does happen and when they do it is epic (see my video).

In lower tiers the battles are always 10vs10 or 20vs20. Yes those are fun too but you guys are missing a whole variety of large scale battles because they rarely happens in lower tiers. I cannot prove to you that 60vs60 battles are fun. You have to test that out for yourself.

You blatently havent played in a tier lower than 4! As for me, i went from the very top of the EU ladder, of which i loved every minute of it until the “blobs” of deso and viz started appearing, then came the lag.. Furthermore the free transfers screwed us then came the queues at 4 hours +.

As such we transferred off and are in T7, below is a list of what we get:

1. No blob
2. No queue (even during primetime)
3. No lag
4. Excellent community (TS for whole alliance)

I think the question is if your a hardcore wvwer why WOULDNT you want to go below tier 4?

elkirin.8534:

Thank you Waffler for copy pasting the entire post in your reply. I am used to people snipping out individual lines and write accordingly.

I actually just pressed the quote button, I’m too lazy to copy and paste.

In my experience in lower tiers, it seems lower tiers is less ‘hardcore’ and more relaxed. You get really fun zerg vs zerg fights but its not as tactical as the organised zerg fights in higher tiers. PvD is more often and therefore its easier to level up your character. On the downside, i feel its less competitive as we get players and commanders who have less experience but just want to have fun. There are pros and cons on each sides, but personally i would rather play in higher tier if im really serious about wvw.

Ive been all over the tiers. Just recently was in tier 8 for a while, and the majority of the time I was there was spent fighting huge zergs. By no means would I defend tier 1 server blobbing either.

So what does this mean? Everyone zergs way more then their admitting, so cut that out.

With WvW fairly stagnant in siege placement, tactics… what would a lagfest upper tier server offer me? Down here I learn from every server I play, I work to improve my server and each and every one of us “hardcores” is important to our server. If we decided to take a break, there aren’t 10 other guilds who will just pick up the slack. We have worked hard to climb up in rankings, and we did it without the transfer to wins. And ironically, the servers that fell down into these tiers from on high have had a sore wake up call. While your servers were fighting those unbalanced glicko-induced nightmare matches in the winter where they were either spawn camping someone’s citadel or being spawn camped, we were sharpening each others’ daggers. Come to NA T5-8. We have cookies and thick skin and great fights.

A server isn’t just a name, but source of honor. WvW is designed for fights between servers, not guilds, not groups of friends. You can always change servers for finding an environment called “competitive”, but the element of “honor”, which is an important factor of actions of war, will be corrupted little by little. When you lose the sense of honor, fights will be less meaningful and less fun, even in an environment “competitive”.

There’s flawed logic to this posting….as Kaineng used to be a T8 server for quite some time until it got bandwagoned several months back. /discuss

Proofs:

In T1 I recall 5 of us going to flip a camp, and 40 PRX responding and the sad thing is they still had to might stack and portal bomb, Seriously 40 man guild group sitting on a full capped map to protect camps. Never could figure out how that was even fun for JQ

In T4 I go to flip a camp with 5 people and 5 enemies show up and we have a good fun fight

I’m sorry i don’t understand the point of this thread, if you’re trying to recruit all of us into higher tiers then you’re doing a bad job. Also to say that just because your guild is in tier 1 or 2 doesn’t nescasarily mean it’s superiour to a tier 4 guild. The guild i’m in jumped to tier 1 with SoS then jumped back down to tier 4 with SoS were we magically superiour in tier 1 then we are now, god no! infact the opposite we’re fielding almost twice the numbers twice as often as we were in tier 1. The point i’m trying to make is that to say tiers 1 and 2 are more competitive is infact a true statement however to say that the guilds or individuals are more skilled is completely false it’s just that there are more guilds in tiers 1,2.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

As a t7 hardcore wvw’er (by your definition)
Im currently on JQ for a 1 week hiatus to stop myself for logging the insane hours for my server. And to learn some new tricks…or so i thought.
From my experience so far only 1 commander is worth his metal. The rest dont move until there is a huge zerg, and the fights are surprising SLOWER paced than in small tiers.
Personal contribution becomes less relevant in those numbers, all you do is autoclick 1 and pop occasional stability and might. There is very little personal fighting and much more ZVZ

Some people prefer that (and admittedly you do get more bags and faster world ranks). But personally for me it has been a very disappointing journey, I always heard rumours of t1 being boring and people QQ’ing about “BLOB WARS 2”, sadly it is true.

I do not feel satisfied as personal player, maybe its as a guild when you pull something off its good, but i cant honestly see any satisfaction in it. You land several hits on the enemy and they die, very rarely do you get prolonged fights with multiple skill recharge cycles.

Tactics is also lacking, sure people stack and follow, but that’s all they do. as soon as they get separated they WP away and dont take their chances, no initiative, no great siege usage/placement as siege becomes pretty irrelevant with those numbers.

Overall i cant wait for my exams to be over and be back on my home server NSP, sure we are losing and out-manned, but we keep fighting, and that’s where the fun is for me.

Also in lower tiers it feels to be alot more close knit group of combatants, as the smaller guilds have been mended together into great allies in face of tougher combat, you rely on your brothers, you fight with them and you die for them… Commradery that is lost in higher tiers as losing 1 or 2 players makes very little difference.

NSP PRIDE!
<3

But in all honesty if you ever get tired of ZvZ (some people like it, im not bashing it) do visit a lower tier and experience true battle

EDIT: Also lower tiers tend* to have much more server dedicated guilds with long lasting battle-bound friendships, rather than server hopping guilds whom go to the winning tier (you know who you are )

You’ve only gotten a small taste of t1 from what it looks like. It’s not all mindless zerging with no tactics, in fact theres many guilds here that have amazing commanders who have great tactics and can wipe zergs 2x times there number.

elkirin.8534:

I have played in Tiers 1 through 5 during my time in GW2. while I only have around 2000 hrs played, the vast majority of my time is played in WvWvW.

As a previous MERC, I saw a variety of large scale battles and learned a number of different tactics. It was a lot of fun. I still am involved in full map force vs map force battles, just not ever day now and the total numbers are usually lower.

IMHO, there is very little individual skill lvl difference between tiers. IMHO, Large scale tactics can be learned very quickly and IMHO, 1-2 leaders can make all the difference in battles.

IMHO, the enjoyment factor is personal and I am enjoying T4 as much as I enjoyed T1.

I think it is valid to say that some people prefer smaller scale and lagless fights over large scale and laggy fights. If that’s all you want then lower tier servers is the right place for you.

However, those epic 60vs60 battles are only found in higher tiers. Only those who have tired that, and then hate it, can know for sure that those epic fights are not for them.

CHIPS.6018:

elkirin.8534:

I have played in Tiers 1 through 5 during my time in GW2. while I only have around 2000 hrs played, the vast majority of my time is played in WvWvW.

As a previous MERC, I saw a variety of large scale battles and learned a number of different tactics. It was a lot of fun. I still am involved in full map force vs map force battles, just not ever day now and the total numbers are usually lower.

IMHO, there is very little individual skill lvl difference between tiers. IMHO, Large scale tactics can be learned very quickly and IMHO, 1-2 leaders can make all the difference in battles.

IMHO, the enjoyment factor is personal and I am enjoying T4 as much as I enjoyed T1.

I think it is valid to say that some people prefer smaller scale and lagless fights over large scale and laggy fights. If that’s all you want then lower tier servers is the right place for you.

However, those epic 60vs60 battles are only found in higher tiers. Only those who have tired that, and then hate it, can know for sure that those epic fights are not for them.

We get regular 60v60 matches in tier 4.

Le Rooster.8715:

I’m sorry i don’t understand the point of this thread, if you’re trying to recruit all of us into higher tiers then you’re doing a bad job. Also to say that just because your guild is in tier 1 or 2 doesn’t nescasarily mean it’s superiour to a tier 4 guild. The guild i’m in jumped to tier 1 with SoS then jumped back down to tier 4 with SoS were we magically superiour in tier 1 then we are now, god no! infact the opposite we’re fielding almost twice the numbers twice as often as we were in tier 1. The point i’m trying to make is that to say tiers 1 and 2 are more competitive is infact a true statement however to say that the guilds or individuals are more skilled is completely false it’s just that there are more guilds in tiers 1,2.

Oh I totally agree that there are awesome skilled players in lower tiers. However, sometimes the only way you can know the true strength of you and your guild is to throw yourselves against a 60 men enemy zerg that KNOWS what they are doing.

I guess it comes down to there two questions:

When I win, am I and my guild really that good? Or just that the enemy have bad coverage? Or they are just bad players.
When I lose, am I and my guild really that bad? Or just that the enemy have good coverage? Or they are just good players.

This can only be answered in higher tiers, in my opinion. You might think you are great. But how do you know for sure without beating zergs much bigger than yours in a higher tier? You got to challenge yourself to know just how good or bad you really are.

Watch this video of 7vs50 and winning in lower tiers:

All good right? Best players in the world right? Totally indestructible right? But how would they know for sure in lower tier?

This group has since moved to FA. Why would they do that? Because they want to prove themselves that’s why.

Hope I am making sense.

Why? Lack of Ego Storm elitists.

Why? Lack of hour long queues.

Why? We didn’t jump ship and transfer to a “winning” server. We stuck it out, and it’s paid off.

Why? Not seeing new Commanders give it a shot, and get raged because they’re new. But given respect/tips/advice for spending 100g to take the heat for an entire servers decisions.

Why? WvW isn’t a job. It’s for fun.

Why? Did I mention egos?

Why? Even (eventually after you tumble through tiers) matchups.

Why? Skill matters more than how many people are in your lag inducing zerg.

Why? WvW tryhards who think they’re entitled to dictate how everyone else plays a game. And any argument is invalid due to guild affiliation, rank, or Commander status.

Why? Threads like this.

I have seen 5 man roaming teams on T8 wipe 20+ in the open field. There are roaming guilds that have moved to lower tiers so they can roam with 3-5 man groups ignoring all objectives they are just in it for the fights.

You’re a necro and you like large scale fights…. I totally understand, ping a target in a zerg its instant 25 stacks of bleeds then you epidemic the target…… its a simple it works.
A good small scale group vs group fight in the open field is more epic then 60 v 60, at least they are for me. DAoC style roaming groups when a skilled group could wipe legions… ah those were the days.

Too each their own

I spend almost 100% of my time purely in WvW. I stay in IOJ (Previous T1 before the transfer genocide) because they are all chill. We have about 50% less people then the servers in T6 and can hold our own. However i mainly stay because of the tight knit community, plus in a high server i dont wanna wait 1+ hours in a queue for WvW where ill HAVE to PvE til i get put in. Its not about how hardcore, or good your server is. Its about what you can accomplish as a team of people. IoJ has proven it self and while a T7 server numbers wise, We can hold T6 Servers for a long time unless they get super golem happy )10 omegas and 20 regulars for our keep cough SF cough)
But yeah, i dont mind playing on the lsoing server, i have fun and we still hold our own and even win against the superior numbers presented. Plus… who wants to wait a freaking hour+ just to WvW and then get skill lagged to death?

CHIPS.6018:

If you play that much WvW, I personally see very little reason to stay in tier 4 or below. So enlighten me.

Because I chose Fissure of Woe as my initial server and will never ever transfer.. Some people still take pride in their server and its reputation.. And yeah, we’re T9, but that surely doesn’t mean WvW is dull.. On the contrary..
I would rather play WvW on a lower tier server where there is no pressure at all. I can be mistaken, but the WvW at higher tiers seems so more stressful.. :p

CHIPS.6018:

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So why does upper tiers revolve around removing as much of the skill component from the average player as possible? I’m talking blobbing to abuse AoE cap, veils to abuse culling when it was applicable etc etc.

I have been to every tier and played on both EU and NA. My honest opinion is that there is nothing special about the top tiers, they just have more people who are doing WvW hard core, just like you say. This allows them to have a much higher level of organization. Does it make WvW more fun? Doubtful, after you see the results of this organization.

CHIPS.6018:

However, those epic 60vs60 battles are only found in higher tiers. Only those who have tired that, and then hate it, can know for sure that those epic fights are not for them.

It is always amusing to find someone trying to impose their personal definitions upon thousands of others. GL with that!

Now if you want BIG pvp battles, you need to go play Eve Online. There you can have your EPIC 700 vs 800 player fights.

TBH, I find all this trolling about tier/size/quality/organization getting old. Can someone not come up with some new trolling methodology?

Maladon.5760:

If you’re not in T1 you’re just fighting scrubs..

Does not apply to EU

Ever notice how on balance, your server always does better than your opponents even if the score says otherwise? How about getting 2vs1ed? Your server is always getting 2vs1ed right?

Ever notice how guilds transferring onto your server aren’t bandwagoning? They are just trying to make the next tier up competitive or they have been forced to leave a server that is dying. An honourable goal. Guilds transferring to your opponents though are definitely bandwagoning.

And they always have players walljumping your keeps. Back in the day, they were hacking your orbs too. Now they are hiding behind walls and spam building arrowcarts because they can’t get you down any other way. You are wondering why your team consistently wipes x2 of their numbers in the field…

Ever notice how servers in the higher and lower tiers aren’t better than the servers in your tier because <insert any excuse you like here>?

Ever notice how there are loads of people on the official forums saying exactly the same things but on…different servers? What? And in different tiers???

Its almost as if the world does not revolve around you and your perception of reality from the limited time you have to play, isn’t the same as reality.

There is no spoon?

CHIPS.6018:

Hardcore WvWers means those that spend 80%+ of their total playtime in WvW. They spend less than 20% of their time doing PvE or sPvP.

My question is why would a hardcore WvWer stay in tier 4 or below? Wouldn’t you want to hang out with other hardcore WvWers? Wouldn’t you want to play alongside organized guilds with better tactics? Wouldn’t you want better coverage? Wouldn’t you want tougher competition?

If friendship is important, and that’s the only reason to stay, why not just transfer as a server? Instead of a guild transfer, just get all the hardcore WvWer in a server (regardless of guild) to all transfer at the same time. It is the friendship that’s important, not the server.

If money is a problem (common problem for a WvWer), you can start running dungeons and killing PvE bosses. Even playing casually you should make enough to transfer within a month at most.

If you play that much WvW, I personally see very little reason to stay in tier 4 or below. So enlighten me.

You may think you are hot stuff because you are in tier 3 or above, but the fact is your server just zergs more. A real hardcore WvW player wouldn’t be interested in spamming autoattacks (because that’s all you can do) in massive zerg fights. Real hardcore WvW players want the outcome of fights to be dependent on their skill, not how many people are on their server.

rmBossa.4621:

Ive been all over the tiers. Just recently was in tier 8 for a while, and the majority of the time I was there was spent fighting huge zergs. By no means would I defend tier 1 server blobbing either.

So what does this mean? Everyone zergs way more then their admitting, so cut that out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOu2Gu-52ik

20v100?

That is a 3way fight. And, no need to count the many other friendly players there. I mean, they contributed nothing to the fight, I’m sure.

Why would a hardcore WvWer in this game stay in tier 3 and above is a better question.

This game is currently balanced for 5v5 combat and at about 20 people per side it becomes almost entirely a button-mash-fest.

You get a bigger variety of fight-sizes and less queues and zergs during prime time in the mid-level tiers. If you play during prime time and WvW is your only concern, that’s where an intelligent person would head.

If i was an harcore WvsW player, i sure will play in a server matched against RG no matter the tier they are in.

Truth of the matter is if any of you were true Hardcore style roaming teams and played to fight players and not worry about the pointless point system Anet has gotten all these PVE’ers to obsess about you would want out of where Zergs are and IN to where other skilled groups are.

“higher tiers are where the (skill) is at”…… Riiiiiiiighhhhhtttt. Why not do some exploring and actually find out b4 making ignorant comments. There are roaming guilds I know of oin the lowest tiers that would smoke a good portion of you “upper Echelon” boys.