Guild Wars 2

Hardcore WvWers means those that spend 80%+ of their total playtime in WvW. They spend less than 20% of their time doing PvE or sPvP.

My question is why would a hardcore WvWer stay in tier 4 or below? Wouldn’t you want to hang out with other hardcore WvWers? Wouldn’t you want to play alongside organized guilds with better tactics? Wouldn’t you want better coverage? Wouldn’t you want tougher competition?

If friendship is important, and that’s the only reason to stay, why not just transfer as a server? Instead of a guild transfer, just get all the hardcore WvWer in a server (regardless of guild) to all transfer at the same time. It is the friendship that’s important, not the server.

If money is a problem (common problem for a WvWer), you can start running dungeons and killing PvE bosses. Even playing casually you should make enough to transfer within a month at most.

If you play that much WvW, I personally see very little reason to stay in tier 4 or below. So enlighten me.

Because WvW is soo much more fun below t4

I think you jelly of my lack of que times

The list of y not is miles long q times skill lag server stacking server pride perfer small mans want to be known not just another zergling server pride guild retention… ummmmm want too help make the server etc…etc…

This has already been done. It was called Seafarer’s Rest and it was a wonderful place. A haven for all guilds that lived and breathed WvW. Then came the flood…

Serophous.9085:

Higher tier =/= better server.

Higher tier = we have more coverage in time zones.

Infact, lower tiers get better fights than the blobs of higher tiers

I’ve transferred from lower tiers servers to higher tier servers.

Higher tier = Better/much more organized open field fights. (Large scale)

Lower tier = Easier to find smaller scale fights.

That being said, if a higher tier guild went to a lower tier for a week they would just wreck anyone they faced in open field. Lower tier servers straight up don’t have the organization thats so common in higher tiers.

One thing you’ll almost enver see in lower tier servers is GvG action.

It’s all about community, and our server’s WvW community is awesome.

Also …
- Guild Transfers cost way too much.
- Guild Transfers cause you to lose all of your influence and earned items.
- Guild Transfers loose to many people along the way.
- Some of us have been on our server since launch, and enjoy server loyalty.
- Some of us like working on improving our community and skills, instead of just worrying about numbers/coverage.

Plus, I would never abandon our resident Dolyak that disguises himself as a human with a fro <3.

Zelthios.5902:

I think you jelly of my lack of que times

I doubt anyone is, lack of queue times isn’t really a selling point for lower tiers. JQ often comments on there low to no queue times and BG rarely has queue times other then EBG. Even then they are normally short.

Because larger fights larger skill lag.
I like having a time of day where 10v10’s are the ‘zerg on zerg’ combat.
I like small scale stuff a lot.
Guilds on my server are extremely skilled anyway. Why go to another just for the same thing with 20 more people, causing skill lag?
Friends and money as you said, why pay for something I care little for doing.
Competition. If everyone did this, you just end up with super servers that are boring.
Queues.
Communities. If people did this, the servers they leave would be in tatters.

Since coverage mostly applies to the game when I’m not around, I don’t see why I need to care about it, it doesn’t affect my personal playing experience in any way.

and generally speaking: lower tier means less people, less people means my individual impact/contribution matters a whole lot more.

so my question to you is: if you’re a hardcore WvWer, why are you wasting your time in the high tiers?

There are tons of people who fit your definition of hardcore WvW in the lower tiers. Fights are a lil’ different, is all. Buildin a community is more rewardin than hoppin between servers lookin for one. At the end of the day, I’m only playin against myself anyway.

Coverage is a moot point. You only need to have as much coverage as your tier does (which means tier 1 doesn’t have better coverage than any tier really. That’s why they whine more about coverage than anyone else).

It depends on what you want, honestly…

T3 is probably the upper limit of where you aren’t at full queue zergs vs full queue zergs 50% of the time. On Maguuma, we get queues on reset, and we queue 1-2 maps each night on the weekends. During the weekdays, nothing ever really queues.

I like T3’s 30-40ish vs 30-40ish fights… but some people like 20 vs 20, some people like 10 vs 10, some people like 5 v 5 or below.

Lower tiers aren’t necessarily bad, though I’m sure some are. The ranking and point system is mostly a measure of population.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Since coverage mostly applies to the game when I’m not around, I don’t see why I need to care about it, it doesn’t affect my personal playing experience in any way.

and generally speaking: lower tier means less people, less people means my individual impact/contribution matters a whole lot more.

so my question to you is: if you’re a hardcore WvWer, why are you wasting your time in the high tiers?

This ^

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Since coverage mostly applies to the game when I’m not around, I don’t see why I need to care about it, it doesn’t affect my personal playing experience in any way.

and generally speaking: lower tier means less people, less people means my individual impact/contribution matters a whole lot more.

so my question to you is: if you’re a hardcore WvWer, why are you wasting your time in the high tiers?

What he said.

I’ll admitt I have never been in a higher tier server so its hard for me to compare, but I like being in T8 just fine. The fact that there are fewer organised guilds is nice, because I like to solo roam and if everyone is lol’ing about in guilds then what can I hope to do alone?

For a solo roamer having a slightly more chaotic, less blobby match is much more enjoyable.

Also I never, ever have to que to play in any of the maps. Whats not to love.

If you’re into competitive fights I don’t know why you would stay above tier 4.

Lower tiers have the best fights come visit us some time even our large scale fights

CHIPS.6018:

Hardcore WvWers means those that spend 80%+ of their total playtime in WvW. They spend less than 20% of their time doing PvE or sPvP.

Debatable.

CHIPS.6018:

My question is why would a hardcore WvWer stay in tier 4 or below? Wouldn’t you want to hang out with other hardcore WvWers? Wouldn’t you want to play alongside organized guilds with better tactics? Wouldn’t you want better coverage? Wouldn’t you want tougher competition?

Ummm, so people playing on T4 or below servers are not organized and lack tactics? lol. Funny and very shortsighted. I enjoy the small community my “unorganized” server has.

CHIPS.6018:

If friendship is important, and that’s the only reason to stay, why not just transfer as a server? Instead of a guild transfer, just get all the hardcore WvWer in a server (regardless of guild) to all transfer at the same time. It is the friendship that’s important, not the server.

Sure lets all spend ++70g to move with a server with queues… oh way I rather spend that money elsewhere.

CHIPS.6018:

If money is a problem (common problem for a WvWer), you can start running dungeons and killing PvE bosses. Even playing casually you should make enough to transfer within a month at most.

So by your definition on the top that person wold not be a hardcore wvw’er any longer.

CHIPS.6018:

If you play that much WvW, I personally see very little reason to stay in tier 4 or below. So enlighten me.

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Why not? No queues, better community, everyone knows each other, better tactics and organization. What I see are no reasons to move to a bloated server.

like some have already said some don’t like the “zerg” mentality of Higher tiers.

for me personally 15v15 is the most I want to be involved in.
I would love just some constant 5v5 or 10v10 and in higher tiers that might be much harder to get.

Mizu.9387:

This has already been done. It was called Seafarer’s Rest and it was a wonderful place. A haven for all guilds that lived and breathed WvW. Then came the flood…

it was alos called Piken Square

1) One common misconception I read here is that players in higher tiers are less skilled than players from lower tiers. Now this might be true on a personal basis. However in terms of teamwork, organization and tactics, it is much better in higher tiers.

Here is a video to demonstrate. Our 20 men zerg wiped a much bigger 60 men enemy zerg.

You only get these kind of fights, organization, teamwork and tactics at higher tiers.

If smaller scales fights with less lag is your cup of tea, then yes that would be a good reason. But I do not agree that higher tier WvWers are worst players than lower tier WvWers.

2) Another common misconception is that there is massive queues in higher tiers. Back when I was with SBI in its prime, rarely did I queue for more than 15 minutes. Now in Kaineng, during our reset we would have a 10 minute queue on certain maps. Other than that Kaineng rarely has a queue of over 5 minutes during weekdays, and often no queue at all anywhere.

Of course this varies from server to server, and time zone to time zone. For example NA and EU just happens to be Kaineng’s weakness, while Oceanic is Kaineng’s strength. So if you are an Oceanic guild, you should look for a server with a weaker Oceanic presence (instead of Kaineng). Another server, SOR, happens to be super stacked in NA prime time. So if you are a NA guild, you should look for a server with a weaker NA presence (instead of SOR). It just takes a bit of research. I am sure most servers will gladly tell you what strengths and weaknesses of time zone they faces.

Queue isn’t a problem if you look for a server that needs people from your timezone.

3) On server loyalty, you should be loyal the the people and friends that you play with, instead of the server. The server itself is just a name. The server itself is just a machine. So that’s my question: If friendship is the only thing holding you there, why not just get all your friends, your whole WvW population, to transfer with you?

4) PvE and dungeons pays more than enough for transfers.

If you’re not in T1 you’re just fighting scrubs..

Maladon.5760:

If you’re not in T1 you’re just fighting scrubs..

loz so guilds like Vii TUP or BOON which are at lower tiers are scrubs?

Don’t hate the player, hate the team..

CHIPS.6018:

1) One common misconception I read here is that players in higher tiers are less skilled than players from lower tiers. Now this might be true on a personal basis. However in terms of teamwork, organization and tactics, it is much better in higher tiers.

Here is a video to demonstrate. Our 20 men zerg wiped a much bigger 60 men enemy zerg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4nLM8Va_qg#t=9m20s

You only get these kind of fights, organization, teamwork and tactics at higher tiers.

If smaller scales fights with less lag is your cup of tea, then yes that would be a good reason. But I do not agree that higher tier WvWers are worst players than lower tier WvWers.

2) Another common misconception is that there is massive queues in higher tiers. Back when I was with SBI in its prime, rarely did I queue for more than 15 minutes. Now in Kaineng, during our reset we would have a 10 minute queue on certain maps. Other than that Kaineng rarely has a queue of over 5 minutes during weekdays, and often no queue at all anywhere.

Of course this varies from server to server, and time zone to time zone. For example NA and EU just happens to be Kaineng’s weakness, while Oceanic is Kaineng’s strength. So if you are an Oceanic guild, you should look for a server with a weaker Oceanic presence (instead of Kaineng). Another server, SOR, happens to be super stacked in NA prime time. So if you are a NA guild, you should look for a server with a weaker NA presence (instead of SOR). It just takes a bit of research. I am sure most servers will gladly tell you what strengths and weaknesses of time zone they faces.

Queue isn’t a problem if you look for a server that needs people from your timezone.

3) On server loyalty, you should be loyal the the people and friends that you play with, instead of the server. The server itself is just a name. The server itself is just a machine. So that’s my question: If friendship is the only thing holding you there, why not just get all your friends, your whole WvW population, to transfer with you?

4) PvE and dungeons pays more than enough for transfers.

1) I agree organization on a larger scale is better in the higher tiers but that doesn’t mean we’re not challenging ourselves in the lower tiers. You just don’t have 100+ people guilds that theorycraft builds. In the lower tiers, people theorycraft roaming builds and 5 mans. That’s what people here want and no one needs to theorycraft 20 man zergs ‘cause the fights here don’t call for it. I can play 24 hours without runnin into a 60 person zerg. That’s one reason I think Agg got bored and left. No one needs Agg to cap recap empty camps.

2) I never queue and you can’t really improve on that.

3) It’s just a decision on what you want your community to be. If you want your community to be as big as your guild, then the other people in the server don’t matter. If you want to make the server your community, then you can’t transfer everyone off. Tier 3 is a random number. If you made this thread a month ago when Kaineng was in tier 2, would you be asking why is anyone in tier 3 or below? If you had known ahead of time Stormbluff Isle was only droppin to tier 3, would you have stayed on it?

At the end of the day how I improve myself as a player don’t matter what tier I’m on. If I’m a drama magnet who starts up kitten and can’t get along with anyone in my server, I’m gonna be a drama magnet who starts up kitten and can’t get along with anyone on my server on another server too. Very few problems fix themselves by transferrin servers.

4) kitten PvE and dungeons and Fractals. There are people in WvW who aren’t respawning.

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

Ljiona.9142:

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

^ Someone that has no idea what a lower tier is like. Coming from t8, t7 and then t6, all of these comments that higher tier guilds would roflstomp us is lulzworthy.

You think you’re so boss? Prove it, get down here and beat us.

there are dedicated players in every tier but the difference between the ones in our lower tiers vs the ones in your higher tiers is we’re dedicated to having fun and good fights, whereas you’re dedicated to winning nothing in particular. you win the same thing in your tier that we do in ours, regardless of what color you play as – the prize is the same – a big fat lot of nothing.

i can’t believe people spend money to transfer so they can brag about winning nothing … that just totally blows my mind.

CHIPS.6018:

1) One common misconception I read here is that players in higher tiers are less skilled than players from lower tiers. Now this might be true on a personal basis. However in terms of teamwork, organization and tactics, it is much better in higher tiers.

Here is a video to demonstrate. Our 20 men zerg wiped a much bigger 60 men enemy zerg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4nLM8Va_qg#t=9m20s

Unless you linked the wrong time, that is not remotely close to 20 people…

As a t7 hardcore wvw’er (by your definition)
Im currently on JQ for a 1 week hiatus to stop myself for logging the insane hours for my server. And to learn some new tricks…or so i thought.
From my experience so far only 1 commander is worth his metal. The rest dont move until there is a huge zerg, and the fights are surprising SLOWER paced than in small tiers.
Personal contribution becomes less relevant in those numbers, all you do is autoclick 1 and pop occasional stability and might. There is very little personal fighting and much more ZVZ

Some people prefer that (and admittedly you do get more bags and faster world ranks). But personally for me it has been a very disappointing journey, I always heard rumours of t1 being boring and people QQ’ing about “BLOB WARS 2”, sadly it is true.

I do not feel satisfied as personal player, maybe its as a guild when you pull something off its good, but i cant honestly see any satisfaction in it. You land several hits on the enemy and they die, very rarely do you get prolonged fights with multiple skill recharge cycles.

Tactics is also lacking, sure people stack and follow, but that’s all they do. as soon as they get separated they WP away and dont take their chances, no initiative, no great siege usage/placement as siege becomes pretty irrelevant with those numbers.

Overall i cant wait for my exams to be over and be back on my home server NSP, sure we are losing and out-manned, but we keep fighting, and that’s where the fun is for me.

Also in lower tiers it feels to be alot more close knit group of combatants, as the smaller guilds have been mended together into great allies in face of tougher combat, you rely on your brothers, you fight with them and you die for them… Commradery that is lost in higher tiers as losing 1 or 2 players makes very little difference.

NSP PRIDE!
<3

But in all honesty if you ever get tired of ZvZ (some people like it, im not bashing it) do visit a lower tier and experience true battle

EDIT: Also lower tiers tend* to have much more server dedicated guilds with long lasting battle-bound friendships, rather than server hopping guilds whom go to the winning tier (you know who you are )

Ljiona.9142:

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

It’s more like:
EB without a commander
Team Chat: Pug1: Mendon just flipped!
Team Chat: Pug2: Ill go with my party
Team Chat: Pug3: Ok, I have three people with me so we’re heading to Speldan

While On Mendon
Pug:1: drops ram and team builds
Pug3: Speldan flipped come resupply!
Pug3 arrives at Mendon drops ram and it gets built

5 minutes later Mendon is Flipped and everyone goes with whatever they were doing.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Ljiona.9142:

Higher tier…commander drops a ram; people build.

Lower tier….people beat on a door. Some asks if anyone has a ram. Someone drops it. No one has supply. Ram disappears. People beat on door with sword till it is down.

^ Someone that has no idea what a lower tier is like. Coming from t8, t7 and then t6, all of these comments that higher tier guilds would roflstomp us is lulzworthy.

You think you’re so boss? Prove it, get down here and beat us.

There’s a reason servers are in lower tiers. You think any server can come up to tier 1 and be fine? Competitive? As you would say its lulzworthy to think you won’t get roflstomped…You might have some strong guilds, but can they carry your server with 24/7 coverage? Skill of your players have is only a very small part of WvW. You can have the best NA in the game but if you don’t have the other time zones…

Elwin.2583:

Mizu.9387:

This has already been done. It was called Seafarer’s Rest and it was a wonderful place. A haven for all guilds that lived and breathed WvW. Then came the flood…

it was alos called Piken Square

It still is called Piken Square, we have the same spirit we’ve always had. We enjoy the fightsas we always have and will, we don’t care what tier we fight in as all tiers offer decent fights(just higher ones offer more lag). A few guilds came to Piken to try and turn us into a superserver to push viz out of T1, which most of the guilds on Piken didn’t want. So those guilds then left for SFR to make them the server. On Piken we still have alot of our original guilds which made the place special, unfortunately the collapse of SFR has caused our queue times to increase(2+ hours is normal now) because all the bandwagoners need other servers to go for. RoS looks to be the latest project bandwagon, we’ll see what happens.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Elwin.2583:

Mizu.9387:

This has already been done. It was called Seafarer’s Rest and it was a wonderful place. A haven for all guilds that lived and breathed WvW. Then came the flood…

it was alos called Piken Square

It still is called Piken Square, we have the same spirit we’ve always had. We enjoy the fightsas we always have and will, we don’t care what tier we fight in as all tiers offer decent fights(just higher ones offer more lag). A few guilds came to Piken to try and turn us into a superserver to push viz out of T1, which most of the guilds on Piken didn’t want. So those guilds then left for SFR to make them the server. On Piken we still have alot of our original guilds which made the place special, unfortunately the collapse of SFR has caused our queue times to increase(2+ hours is normal now) because all the bandwagoners need other servers to go for. RoS looks to be the latest project bandwagon, we’ll see what happens.

No project really, just that some guilds also came to us when t1 collapsed…

Ohh wow your logic is so amazing. I never realized how inferior all servers below t4 are. As a matter of fact I am going to transfer to Kaineng right now so I can be leet like you are. Not.

Question for you. Were you there for Kaineng’s rise up to the leet tiers or did you just bandwagon after they got up there? Im guessing the latter. What if everyone on Kaineng back in the day had your failed logic and just transferred servers because that was the “smart” thing to do instead of working your way up? Guess you would be playing on some other server.
I am not sure if you are putting this out there as some sort of recruitment tool or you just think you are all that but you are way off base.

Moved from T1 to T5. Never looked back.

P.S. keep the rest of your hardcore-selves in T1 with the blobs of zergs, long ques, and skill lag.

Cheers.

Lower tiers is best – except when you get a big stack of wvw guilds piling into one server like Ruins of Surmia rather than spreading out amongst a tier. Even then it would be more than fine if GW2 actually had a coherent promotion/relegation system, instead it’s glicko which makes absolutely no sense at all, especially when you have an open transfer system of players. Glicko is for assessing the skill of single chess players over a long period of time, not for moving up and down tiered servers in an mmo.

I am on Devona’s Rest in T7. My reasons

PLUSES
1. T7 right now is a fun bracket with even scoring- was a real nail biter last week, and I like my opponents. I like being beaten by skill rather than raw numbers.
2. No queues, except on EB during reset
3. No skill lag
4. Better tactics not based on zergball
5. Keeps, camps can and frequently do reach full upgrade
6. Your participation matters more
7. Smaller population coordinated on TS means you can be social while you WvW without commanders blowing a gasket because you are talking in TS
8. Taking keeps by smacking the door with the zergball instead of siege just doesn’t happen. We don’t have that many people to make any headway on a door. Supply is more of a factor.

Minuses
1. DR has no night crew, so GOM can just cap our stuff because our legendary bunnies make lousy defenders. Sure wish some of you Aussies would come on over to keep Duyyy company.
2. PVEers on WvW map for map completion can swell numbers with unskilled upscales that chase shinies and don’t listen to command. I think this might be a problem that all servers have though.

Each tier has its own style of gameplay. There’s is no reason to choose one over the other. When servers move to different tiers, the gameplay changes based on relative coverage. I enjoy this system, though I wish it were more fluid.

Having experienced every tier from T6 to T2 in the last few months, my personal opinion is that the lower tiers are more fun. Value of an individual, or a small group, is higher in lower tiers. Skill has nothing to do with tier.

Its because I spend more than 80% of my time in WvWvW that I avoid the top tiers like a plague.

The top teirs are the worst WvWvW experience. its not better up there, its just mindless uberzergs, massive lag, queues.

It depends on what you mean by hardcore. You can find those on any server. Here is the big difference:

1. If you like large scale zerg action, go to a top tier
2. If you like smaller scale roamer groups, go to a lower tier

It just depends which way you enjoy to play.

CHIPS.6018:

1) One common misconception I read here is that players in higher tiers are less skilled than players from lower tiers. Now this might be true on a personal basis. However in terms of teamwork, organization and tactics, it is much better in higher tiers.

Here is a video to demonstrate. Our 20 men zerg wiped a much bigger 60 men enemy zerg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4nLM8Va_qg#t=9m20s

You only get these kind of fights, organization, teamwork and tactics at higher tiers.

If smaller scales fights with less lag is your cup of tea, then yes that would be a good reason. But I do not agree that higher tier WvWers are worst players than lower tier WvWers.

2) Another common misconception is that there is massive queues in higher tiers. Back when I was with SBI in its prime, rarely did I queue for more than 15 minutes. Now in Kaineng, during our reset we would have a 10 minute queue on certain maps. Other than that Kaineng rarely has a queue of over 5 minutes during weekdays, and often no queue at all anywhere.

Of course this varies from server to server, and time zone to time zone. For example NA and EU just happens to be Kaineng’s weakness, while Oceanic is Kaineng’s strength. So if you are an Oceanic guild, you should look for a server with a weaker Oceanic presence (instead of Kaineng). Another server, SOR, happens to be super stacked in NA prime time. So if you are a NA guild, you should look for a server with a weaker NA presence (instead of SOR). It just takes a bit of research. I am sure most servers will gladly tell you what strengths and weaknesses of time zone they faces.

Queue isn’t a problem if you look for a server that needs people from your timezone.

3) On server loyalty, you should be loyal the the people and friends that you play with, instead of the server. The server itself is just a name. The server itself is just a machine. So that’s my question: If friendship is the only thing holding you there, why not just get all your friends, your whole WvW population, to transfer with you?

4) PvE and dungeons pays more than enough for transfers.

lol more than 20 people. Boring fight. Don’t think anyone knew what they were hitting, they were just spamming aoe skills and hoping for the best.

I think the lower tiers adapt quicker.
other then that i don’t really see much diffrence. i like the lower tiers simply cause i get a choice when i log in. do i want to be a zergling?, go solo?, or run with the guild. there all viable down here.

To piggy back on Lepew… I would never leave Devonas. The community is what makes the game in WvW for me. I know most of the guild leaders and many of the members. Even people I disagree with tactically are at my side fighting nearly every night. The quality of the game comes from the peoples commitment to each other.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/links/Welcome-to-Devona-s-Rest/first

Because working your own way up the ladder is much more satisfying. Witnessing my guild and my servers evolution from a low end T7 server up to T4, falling after an exodus and then working our way back up ourselves by honing our tactics and improving our server wide cohesion was a thing of beauty.

Glicko can only hold us in T5 for so long. And when we get to T4 we don’t plan on plateauing. Maybe we won’t ever skyrocket to T1, but I see no reason why T3 can’t be in the cards eventually. And when we get there it will be on our own blood and sweat, not riding on someone else coattails. I’ll take that sense of accomplishment over a transfer any day.

CHIPS.6018:

1) One common misconception I read here is that players in higher tiers are less skilled than players from lower tiers. Now this might be true on a personal basis. However in terms of teamwork, organization and tactics, it is much better in higher tiers.

Here is a video to demonstrate. Our 20 men zerg wiped a much bigger 60 men enemy zerg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4nLM8Va_qg#t=9m20s

You only get these kind of fights, organization, teamwork and tactics at higher tiers.

We already do that on a weekly basis in tier 5. Being able to formulate a zerg stomp team is not dependent on tier.

3) On server loyalty, you should be loyal the the people and friends that you play with, instead of the server. The server itself is just a name. The server itself is just a machine. So that’s my question: If friendship is the only thing holding you there, why not just get all your friends, your whole WvW population, to transfer with you?

Really? While I was a native, last I checked, the guild I’m in moved from cross server. The server community has been very welcoming towards them. It helped reinforce their decision to stay here.

On the other hand, in thinking that you are somehow trying to make it a relevant point, you ask that an entire server move their active population. Just to benefit whom, exactly? Yourself? Who is the selfish one in this relationship?

CHIPS.6018:

4) PvE and dungeons pays more than enough for transfers.

CHIPS.6018:

Hardcore WvWers means those that spend 80%+ of their total playtime in WvW. They spend less than 20% of their time doing PvE or sPvP.

Nice job obliterating your opening pitch.

Paxus.6543:

Ohh wow your logic is so amazing. I never realized how inferior all servers below t4 are. As a matter of fact I am going to transfer to Kaineng right now so I can be leet like you are. Not.

Question for you. Were you there for Kaineng’s rise up to the leet tiers or did you just bandwagon after they got up there? Im guessing the latter. What if everyone on Kaineng back in the day had your failed logic and just transferred servers because that was the “smart” thing to do instead of working your way up? Guess you would be playing on some other server.
I am not sure if you are putting this out there as some sort of recruitment tool or you just think you are all that but you are way off base.

Oh no. I actually think there are some very good players in lower tiers. In fact I won’t be surprised if individual players skills is slightly higher in lower tiers. However as the zerg gets bigger you need organization. It is the organization, not individual player skills, that wins the day.

Higher tier wvw is not a mindless zerg feast like many believed. A server that just mindlessly zergs won’t survive up there for long.

I personally find team organization and teamwork more entertaining than individual skills. That’s why I like higher tiers more.

The next thing is the scale of battle. Even in tier 2 we get our fair share of 10vs10 and 20vs20 battles. However those 60vs60 battles does happen and when they do it is epic (see my video).

In lower tiers the battles are always 10vs10 or 20vs20. Yes those are fun too but you guys are missing a whole variety of large scale battles because they rarely happens in lower tiers. I cannot prove to you that 60vs60 battles are fun. You have to test that out for yourself.

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In lower tiers the battles are always 10vs10 or 20vs20. Yes those are fun too but you guys are missing a whole variety of large scale battles. I cannot prove to you that 60vs60 battles are fun. You have to test that out for yourself.

60v60 is extremely uncommon in T5, I’ve probably seen it a handful of times. 40v40 happens on a nightly basis though, and I can’t say that adding 20 per side changes the dynamic.

60v60? LOL, that must be some awesome lag and slideshow. On T4 we have plenty of 30v30 daily and is a nightmare, and my PC is on the bleeding edge.