Guild Wars 2

Hate to go against the grain,but EU Desolation are looking at their 3rd week of a fun match up.This time with Kodash and Miller’s Sound.

And congrats to Deso on two straight 1st place finishes.

this matchup is kinda weird sfr/piken/elona tier 1 while vizunah are in tier 2?

shouldn’t it be opposite xD sfr tier 2 because we are second place vizunah tier 1 they are first place…

Chris.3290:

Shoutout to GoM on the worst matchup of the week; with Maguuma getting an honorable mention.

GoM? Seems pretty even so far for me

You have no idea what is a bad match-up until you face a tier 1-2 server. These servers are stacked to no end and the only things you will see are zerg 24/7 PvDooring all your paper keep. 2-3 weeks of facing them and half of your WvW population will wither in despair and you will go down in ratings.

Then after you go down you will face nice opponent again!
It’s like an incentive to don’t rank up…

I’m on JQ and I’ve come to look with nostalgia on the days 3-4 months ago when we were complaining about only having neverending match ups with Blackgate and Sanctum of Rall over & over. Those days, we fought ….zerg v zerg, havoc teams roaming, and a lot of 1v1 or 3v3’s all around. Something for everyone, so to speak.
Even the times we got curbstomped by SoR when JQ’ers were farming Molten Facility is starting to look like good clean fun.

Having all the map your color IS NOT fun though. When you’re in WvW and folks are pinging map chat with “Hey, the grub is up! YAY!” or “Let’s go kill the skritt again!” there is something wrong.

It can’t be fun for the servers we’re against, and it certainly isn’t helping keep morale up for them or for us. I spent a couple hours running alts through the BL maps for completion and all I felt like was a bully, seeing the siege equips all lined up at the other guy’s home bases. This….sucks.
edit That pic is from just a few hours after WvW reset and I can only imagine the feeling the folks on FA and MG had waking up to being farm-killed. Way to start out the week, way to go boosting WvW participation.

this is no fun and not fair for other server. now what to do after take all? sit for hours and no play wvw till they have a chance for taking stuff back? i and friends want to level rank, not sit around playing with ourselves.

tasha.4176:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thhoofNzYh4

this is no fun and not fair for other server. now what to do after take all? sit for hours and no play wvw till they have a chance for taking stuff back? i and friends want to level rank, not sit around playing with ourselves.

Well that’s a fine example as to why spawn camping (especially with siege) is a little silly.

If they can’t come out and fight you, or even try to flip a tower, doesn’t leave you with very much to do, does it? That’s why most servers don’t do it.

Jayne.9251:

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Well that’s a fine example as to why spawn camping (especially with siege) is a little silly.

If they can’t come out and fight you, or even try to flip a tower, doesn’t leave you with very much to do, does it? That’s why most servers don’t do it.

I agree, and it’s why I’m just going to go about doing fractals and dungeon achievement completions this week. That kind of ‘festival of bad sportsmanship’ is a turn off and I’m not even on the losing side. No one likes having their face rubbed in manure and they don’t seem to recall the whinging and pouting that occurred in LA chat when we started slipping in ranks vs the other T1 servers. But this is what they do to severely outnumbered unbalanced match-ups? Karma is gonna be a b$%&*…

it is. and it is horrible and no fun. even if you tell the map to let them have keep and towers back for a chance. it only takes a few to keep them off. we need fair server match ups. = = not this.

I fear for JQ’s eyesight!!!

….all that playing with themselves and they could go blind!!!

but yeah uh.. FA can’t fight JQ alone, and MaGoonies are so outmanned they’re no help… I think I’ll take the week off.

Ezeriel.9574:

I fear for JQ’s eyesight!!!

….all that playing with themselves and they could go blind!!!

but yeah uh.. FA can’t fight JQ alone, and MaGoonies are so outmanned they’re no help… I think I’ll take the week off.

^ hahaha. and that is a huge problem. i do not want empty wvw because we take over. fair and fun. – - i’m sorry they do this. way to spoil wvw anet. D<

Ezeriel.9574:

I fear for JQ’s eyesight!!!

….all that playing with themselves and they could go blind!!!

but yeah uh.. FA can’t fight JQ alone, and MaGoonies are so outmanned they’re no help… I think I’ll take the week off.

Funny how anet puts JQ against T2 and T3. JQ is clearly a T1 server and has proven itself many of times, all this nonsense just brings our WvW rating down because we are playing against servers way under our league.

uberkingkong.8041:

Funny how anet puts JQ against T2 and T3. JQ is clearly a T1 server and has proven itself many of times, all this nonsense just brings our WvW rating down because we are playing against servers way under our league.

You’re gaining rating.

A lot of it.

This is what happens when people stack to the same 5-6 servers.

As another on JQ, whom played from reset to this mornings 695, GJ JQ! Setting up that much siege was a bit over the top. When I said “siege up” I meant inside the keeps, Oy. BUT, it’s what we should have done. Just “giving” them back a keep is condescending and a slap in their face. You give them a good fight and make them earn it. They’ll feel much better about it when they do. As I knew they could and would take back their keeps.

I’m far less concerned about Mag or FA this week. They’ll be that much more battle hardened. JQ on the other hand is more than likely going to lose players to this match up. As Tasha and Carize are already expressing the sentiment. They probably even read me saying in chat this morning in EB “Don’t give up on WvW, keep checking in.”

For the ratings, they are obviously quite broken and irrelevant at the moment. This is the 3rd week of JQ being stuck in Tier limbo and player confidence is waning. I understood Anet making these matches the prior two weeks. This one is a true head shaker.

btw…. JAYNE! I was looking for you a couple of weeks ago when we fought TC/FA. Saddened to see you weren’t on there any longer

DeWolfe.2174:

btw…. JAYNE! I was looking for you a couple of weeks ago when we fought TC/FA. Saddened to see you weren’t on there any longer

You should come hang out with me on Piken All the cool kids are doing it.

That said, I was back on TC last week just to peek at the T1 match. Was fun, but I prefer EU more. It’s just a whole different game there.

DeWolfe.2174:

This is the 3rd week of JQ being stuck in Tier limbo and player confidence is waning. I understood Anet making these matches the prior two weeks. This one is a true head shaker.

That’s because JQ is in Tier limbo. You don’t have the force to contend with BG/SoR and Waha is the only reason you even beat TC, who is also in Tier limbo (though Waha’s presence in T1 makes him and JQ the king-maker because of the SEAs conflict with BG). So either way, someone is going to get matched up poorly because there are four servers that can all contend for three spots with two of those four servers being so stacked as to make everyone else look empty.

Either TC is farming whoever is in their match-up, or JQ is farming them.

I completely agree with your assessment. From a glass half full perspective, JQ could be a contender again with a few more EU/NA. That’s why there’s so many recruitment threads for us. It’s why even folks from SoR and BG tell others to come to JQ. It’s the easiest scenario to bring balance to T1.

The only matchup recently that JQ seems to be having some fun is when JQ gets paired up with TC who are more of an equal. BG and SOR whoever they take on will definitely outblob them. Is there a way to fix this? Yes. Many ideas have been passed around but so far none have been taken seriously.

There’s no way to fix it in the current system without forcing people to move servers. Then you probably ruin one server in order to elevate another.

/shrug

lots just go up to the higher tiers to play in the top groups hence the lower tiers are like ghost towns.

only way to fix it is to even out the WVW populations amongst the servers so the “Skilled” servers start to creep up and not the BLOB servers

Why not just make it so you can play on any server as long as there is no queue? and when there is a queue you will get a message with , “This borderland is full you will be dismissed in 1 minute.” i have 2 irl friends in 2 other different servers and changing to those is just way to expensive. “but its just 20 usd thats nothing” playing another game with them is free why should i have to pay just to play with my friends? i wont. maybe if gw2 were living up to its manifesto but not in its current state.

Fighting JQ sucks more for JQ than Mag.

The math to have walls to prevent multi-tier jumps can’t be that difficult. Just adjust the algorithm to re-roll if multi-tier jumps are too far, scaling with ranking. IE a t8 can jump 2 tiers, but after tier 4 the jump is only 1 up or down.

The actual solution is still to manually match servers.

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

Most people only find WvW fun when they are winning, which is anet’s biggest design failure. Losing in spvp? Get a new game in a few minutes. Losing in WvW? Play a different game for a week because you can’t beat the enemy’s numbers.

Make defending and being outmanned more rewarding and fun than being in a giant circle-cap zerg and people will care less about losing.

Blix.8021:

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

Most people only find WvW fun when they are winning, which is anet’s biggest design failure. Losing in spvp? Get a new game in a few minutes. Losing in WvW? Play a different game for a week because you can’t beat the enemy’s numbers.

Make defending and being outmanned more rewarding and fun than being in a giant circle-cap zerg and people will care less about losing.

Actually classic TC always had the most fun (and frankly was at| its best in all shape and form) when it had one lone tower on all four maps and everyone was bunched up inside trying to figure out how to get another. The server always used to thrive on adversity and just get tougher. It’s partly how the community was borne.

But I suppose all things change.

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

I thought TC was excited and all happy to face off against BG & SOR. From the older matchup thread, it seems everyone was excited to get paired up with them and saying hope to see each other again soon. I guess I was wrong, it must be the few people who enjoys mashing “1” key were excited… There’s lag regardless but if you put BG-SOR-along with almost any server, you’ll more than likely mash “1” key. I’ve experienced months of that. Anyone who claims otherwise are either in a fantasy world of their own or in a timezone where there’s not many people on where PVD is obvious.

Blix.8021:

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

Most people only find WvW fun when they are winning, which is anet’s biggest design failure. Losing in spvp? Get a new game in a few minutes. Losing in WvW? Play a different game for a week because you can’t beat the enemy’s numbers.

Make defending and being outmanned more rewarding and fun than being in a giant circle-cap zerg and people will care less about losing.

I think Anet’s fear is if they make being outmanned too rewarding, people will start trying to exclude each other in order to get to that outmanned point.

Dunno if that outweighs the current suck for underpopulated realms though.

/shrug

Because one guy speaks for all and we are all pigeonholed due to 1 comment.

Really?

T1 is often a lagfest and lack of serious numbers 24/7 results in you getting rolled by map zergs when outnumbered, it can be fun especially when people stop looking at the scoreboard and just play to have fun, whatever that entails.

Winning is nice but when it is realistically not possible due to coverage, dont sweat the score and just chill.

You wont burn out that way as quickly or just bitter at your servermates for “not turning up”, it’s a game not a job.

I guess this is a bump post then, given how many posts are already here.

There’s only a few servers up or down that are generally competitive with you. The margin is too wide for servers you fight and boring games are the result. Being the winner or the loser in such extreme games is fun for no one.

This week has been my quietest week in WvW for sometime because of the blow out.

The problem is not the matchup because this will NEVER be fixed.
The problem is Arenet refusal to give extra incentives for any losing servers, based on how outnumbered a server is, and how many structures they currently have.

For example, if you are the only Meguna in your server versus JQ zerg, Arenet could give him 10x more dmg, 10x more armor, and make him worth 20x the wvw exp. It is not like it will make a huge difference but it is kind of fun to know there is a real monster out there (most likely a thief). Just an idea.

Not trying to speak for other guilds from TC, but just from looking around the BG’s since we got paired up against SoR and BG twice now, the amount of people running dungeons and fractals has defiantly gone up as I have no problem finding a party anymore within a minute or two. Before the current match up it would at least take around five minutes for some dungeons to gather a party for.

The best looking EU match up so far this week.

Score as of this minute.

15.Far Shiverpeaks 80 401
18.Fort Ranik 83 535
20. Ruins of Surmia 78 575

Hey guys

the matchups still suck

glicko is still an accurate representation of coverage and it’s accurate within 200 pts.

When FA/JQ/DB fought it was a much more even match, even though JQ still had huge coverage advantages. When FA/JQ/Mag fights, Mag is out of depth in coverage so JQ’s coverage advantage balloons

Unless there’s been recent transfers, almost every match where there’s a glicko difference between first and last of greater than 200, the match up is going to be awful. This isn’t hard to figure out from almost a years worth of data.

New matchup system did nothing apart from repelling some players away from the game. Ratings stay pretty much the same in the long run apart from some guild movement interfering.

Open up free transfers, drop the BL queue’s to a fixed number (really low) like 50 people per map…and watch the magic happen lol.

Hell even go as low as 40. If they only ran one big zerg 40-50 around a map… running 4-5 10 man groups would become more effective. It would help reduce server lag and in the higher tiers (I’m on DB) it would force guilds to move to less wvw populated servers, more evenly distributing the WvW numbers. Also it would help even out the disparity between some of the servers that can’t field 110 people on multiple maps and would let them compete on multiple maps….yes, us higher tier servers would complain about queue times, but that is what would be intended…

Yup..loads of fun Anet, you really designed some FUN pvp right here.

EDIT Please ignore my horrible utilities lol, was after FotM lvl 38, dredge instance where you had to run bombs to doors with 50+ mobs in a game with no tank. Suicide was indeed needed.

I remember when server TC did get to fight some low pop server, here is how map looked all time:

I wonder if I can find my posts saying that when JQ drops to T2 because SoR/BG continued to stack, that we’d see posters on JQ and posters on TC begin to QQ about match-ups…

lol i did find it

LilMcGinley.3890

Until JQ is no longer the automatic qualifier for 3rd spot and then SoR/BG posters will be complaining that the match-up algorithm is “messed up” because you’ll be playing FA/TC/DB every week.

SykkoB.9465
with the way the RNG system works that wont happen. TC will come up once they face kittenain, and when they do they will eat up alot of RNg from both sor and bg. TC will take JQ spot and t1 will be locked again. Atleast for a month or so

WTH it censored D B and the word again

My point was more in line that TC doesn’t have the same WvW staying power that JQ has, even with some guilds leaving. It will be interesting to see but I do think BG and SoR will have a lot of 1v1s with a random 3rd server not really ‘showing up’ like JQ has over time.

TC has a good population, but not one where guilds will come out to play when backed into a corner or losing overall.

And where is Devon Carver with a response to this “MESS”?

He does not need to respond again. They said with introducing this new matchup system that first they will need couple of weeks before they even think of adjusting it.
Remeber it? Somewhere in May if i remember it correctly.

Just a few days before Devon said: If you’ve logged in to play WvW lately, you’ve seen a game that can be exhilarating and frustrating by turns. Holding a tower against all odds with some smart siege placement and a bit of luck may be one of the most fun things I’ve ever done in a video game.

LilMcGinley.3890:

I wonder if I can find my posts saying that when JQ drops to T2 because SoR/BG continued to stack, that we’d see posters on JQ and posters on TC begin to QQ about match-ups…

lol i did find it

LilMcGinley.3890

Until JQ is no longer the automatic qualifier for 3rd spot and then SoR/BG posters will be complaining that the match-up algorithm is “messed up” because you’ll be playing FA/TC/DB every week.

SykkoB.9465
with the way the RNG system works that wont happen. TC will come up once they face kittenain, and when they do they will eat up alot of RNg from both sor and bg. TC will take JQ spot and t1 will be locked again. Atleast for a month or so

WTH it censored D B and the word again

My point was more in line that TC doesn’t have the same WvW staying power that JQ has, even with some guilds leaving. It will be interesting to see but I do think BG and SoR will have a lot of 1v1s with a random 3rd server not really ‘showing up’ like JQ has over time.

TC has a good population, but not one where guilds will come out to play when backed into a corner or losing overall.

IMO JQ’s success is built almost solely on ATM right now, without the SEA dominance, which is almost totally reliant on one 1 guild and 1 cmdr, the server’s coverage and wvw population isnt that much different from most T2 servers.

The current TC does not have a number of it’s regular cmdrs playing at the moment, as real life tends to get in the way sometimes, it’s just unfortunate that it has happened for them at the same time.

But, it’s a normal progression for the server, and in time TC will adapt.

What has happened is that TC is very vulnerable to developing bad habits when in a lopsided matchup in its’ favor for prolonged periods, which is exactly what happened prior to the JQ and the current T1 matchups.

The step up to T1 and JQ was certainly a wake up call for many, it might take weeks to adjust but it is what it is.

Chris.3290:

Shoutout to GoM on the worst matchup of the week; with Maguuma getting an honorable mention.

Yaks Bend vs Kaineng vs Gate of Madness has to be THE MOST BALANCED match up I’ve seen in these last few months. And the scores prove it. Grats to you three servers for getting an epic fight this week!

Just wish we (Sea of Sorrows) could get both Fort Aspenwood and Maguuma for once, and many weeks after, it would be a lovely fight.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Chris.3290:

Shoutout to GoM on the worst matchup of the week; with Maguuma getting an honorable mention.

Yaks Bend vs Kaineng vs Gate of Madness has to be THE MOST BALANCED match up I’ve seen in these last few months. And the scores prove it. Grats to you three servers for getting an epic fight this week!

Just wish we (Sea of Sorrows) could get both Fort Aspenwood and Maguuma for once, and many weeks after, it would be a lovely fight.

Yeah, I think Maguuma as a whole could understand that 7 and 8 should gun for 6th and that would be a good matchup. FA has lost some numbers but still have superior numbers to SoS and Maguuma but not enough that both couldn’t lay some hurt on and make it a close match.
Maguuma would have the most to gain from this matchup since FA is the only non-T1 server with a large Oceanic presence so Mag’s “unemployment zerg” would make things interesting.

If you ask me, the latest change to matchups was a good idea, but it did not address the real problem.

1) Anet you created a World versus World battle, whereby the only means of organisation is the commander icon (I should mention the chat system as a matter of course).

2) The fact that servers have varying numbers of people doing wvw, the one with more will always do better. You see people on both sides complaining of this, the people in high wvw population complaining of no competition. The people in a low wvw population complaning of being steamrollered.

Would love to see these 2 issues getting some attention.

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

I’m sorry but this is aggravating for the guilds who actually do WvW on TC. Please next time you post, put what guild you are in because you or your guild doesn’t represent TC as a whole.

We are having a blast in Tier 1 and working with other TC guilds. If you are disappointed with this, do us a favor and just transfer off.

Odies.8017:

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

I’m sorry but this is aggravating for the guilds who actually do WvW on TC. Please next time you post, put what guild you are in because you or your guild doesn’t represent TC as a whole.

We are having a blast in Tier 1 and working with other TC guilds. If you are disappointed with this, do us a favor and just transfer off.

This. We are out there each and every night having a good time. It’s good to be back in Tier 1

Odies.8017:

Denthamos.8140:

The entire guild I am apart of on TC was disappointed when we saw that we were still matched up against BG and SOR Friday. Pretty much all of the main WvW guilds have decided to sit out of WvW and do fractals and other PvE stuff instead of give the other two servers free bags it would seem.

I’m sorry but this is aggravating for the guilds who actually do WvW on TC. Please next time you post, put what guild you are in because you or your guild doesn’t represent TC as a whole.

We are having a blast in Tier 1 and working with other TC guilds. If you are disappointed with this, do us a favor and just transfer off.

at least you have your name and guild name visible, we all know who’s the kitten with and most likely the guild is full of the same as well.

I’ve considered that one of the possible solutions to coverage mis-match is a better use of the Outmanned tag. Also, a slight change to the calculation of said tag.

Suggested change to the Outmanned calculation would be that any character who has the Invulnerable buff from being in the starting/spawn area would not count in the calculation of Outmanned. This removes a map-wide penalty/bonus situation for people using the crafting tables, passing through to the Lion’s Arch gate, hitting the various vendors, etc. People who are not actively involved in the combat shouldn’t count towards the calculation. We don’t have the ability to kick out ‘freeloaders’ but they shouldn’t count against those who are actively playing.

Suggested change to rewards for Outmanned:

1: Outmanned should be (if it’s not already) on a 30-second delay.

2: Once Outmanned ticks, there should be a series of diminishing rewards for actions taken against Oumanned enemies. Wxp, Karma and XP would diminish by 25% starting at the first 30-second mark of Outmanned. This would be for taking objectives from an Oumanned server, or for killing Outmanned characters. This is to represent reward vs. risk. There is very little risk or chance for failure when engaging a foe that is Outmanned. Honestly, if you can’t defeat them, you have a problem. Therefore, with little challenge involved, there should be a proportional loss to the reward granted for doing so.

3: On a longer tick (1-3 minutes) tick scale, ppt awarded for holding objectives in an Outmanned server’s Borderlands should also be reduced. There is no reward for holding something against an opponent that cannot reasonably be expected to put up a fight to take it back. Again, reward proportional to risk.

Let me all present FoW and vabbi for you guys, shall i?

Homonavn.6348:

Let me all present FoW and vabbi for you guys, shall i?

Wow,that is pretty sad to see.But can you blame them not bothering.