Guild Wars 2

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

No matter how nice you think on that person, he kittened up and he deserve to be kittened. Just because he was nice before doesn’t mean he can make a mistake that everyone can let it go. Don’t let that “friend” title cloud your judgement.

Riondron.1069:

Copy paste garbage
SO DEAL WITH IT!!!

You know how much we care for some imaginary rules that ncsoft came up with ?
Just as much as we care about your precious points per tick and your pvdoor.

Fay.2735:

I know people are annoyed but really this isn’t the way to go about it. To single out one person and hold him responsible for all the wrong done and frustrations just isn’t fair on that person regardless of setting.

To be fair, the guy rather singled himself out by his own rather silly conduct. I think Darwin had something to say on this matter………..

Jinks.2057:

Sanduskel.1850:

Jinks.2057:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

1. You are facing 2 T1 servers…you aren’t winning this week.

2. TC BL will have SoR v JQ GvGs not TC GvGs

Again, think a little sonny. Who said I played TC? Lol

Ah it all makes sense now.

Maybe next time yall won’t buy guilds then

Ahh. A thief sputtering nonsense.

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

“Your violating my game type” is hardly diffusing the situation by any means… Also that now links him to this GvG discussion and he no longer is ‘unrelated’. By speaking the way he did about a GvG occurring he inserted himself into the conversation and by using his tag carelessly he became a representation of Arenanet. So while I can respect you want to defend your friend, your claims are off base. He spoke out against a known vocal group of people in a way that disrespected them and what they are trying to do within the limits of the ToS. It was foolish and this reaction should not at all be unexpected. If he didnt realize it would have this kind of backlash then he clearly has no idea what goes on within these forums and that opens up a whole different conversation.

Now about your last statements, how are GvG supports supposed to show their support other then going where the players are and trying to rally support to show the Devs their is a desire for this game mode? What your suggesting is the opposite. Go away till they implement it?! Cause that will work. There is a reason that people in life go on public strikes to get change, because it works. What your suggesting is basically shut up and take and if you dont like it quit. Thats a horrible suggestion.

From what anet has said in the past about other things in wvw they should ot interfer with gvg. Anet has stated many times about people in wvw doing certain things that people are allowed to play the game the way they want. The other part of that is that the action can’t effect the game play of other. Well anet has never held up to the other end of tha. Almost everyone is guilty of effecting another play in wvw on many occasion.

Hickeroar.9734:

Newbkakes.4971:

I just want ANETS reply. I hope the dev also got infracted like OP

Assuming said “Dev” wasn’t Devon himself.

I’m uninstalling this game. If only I could get a refund for all the gems I’ve bought…

I feel like spending that money was like handing the bully a club to hit us with. /smh

Anyone who still spends real money after they broke with what they promised and introduced Ascended items last year had it coming..

That aside, I find it hilarious that someone would claim “his game mode” over a kitten “product” like WvW, which with the objectives’ flip frequency and lack of actual impact on the world and total lack of feeling of accomplishments is pretty much a third rate fast-paced thing to kill some time, with people in it just hoping that everything will certainly get better soon (which it probably will, when Camelot Unchained comes out).

Ruining YOUR game mode? How about:
Ruining wvw by killing small man
Ruining wvw by having small maps
Ruining wvw by having a 1 week rotation
Ruining wvw by having everything based on PTT
Ruining wvw by giving rewards for capturing stuff
Ruining wvw by having downed state
Ruining wvw by having no diminishing returns on CC
Ruining wvw by having a 5 man aoe cap
Ruining wvw by not having its own balance like with spvp
Ruining wvw by worsening class balance

Ruining your game mode? We are the ones that play it, we’re the gamers. This is OUR game

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

Jinks.2057:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

1. You are facing 2 T1 servers…you aren’t winning this week.

2. TC BL will have SoR v BG GvGs not TC GvGs

It is not about winning it is about not quitting.

mordran.4750:

courin.2314:

I’m disappointed to see how vicious some people are being.

How in the world can you defend what this guy did. He was standing in the middle of the two opposing guilds. It has been clear that this is a GvG, no way to misinterpret the situation. He was asked to leave, he did not. One of the guilds chased him off a bit but even did not kill him, he returned and interfered again. After that the Raidlead started to call him Names and then the Dev started to show his Tag. But not to calm things down, he just wanted to show who has the bigger kitten and to troll people. To be honest i am surprised how nice the community was to this guy under the given circumstances, in europe when such things happen these motherkitteners will get killed over and over until they leave when they can not behave themselfes. Maybe this guy is the nicest person in the world but on that special occasion he acted exactly like the raidlead called him.

It’s not vicious behavior when you set it as your baseline…..

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

Come on folks… I understand we the players like “GVG” and need it. But what we should do is put in requests to fix “Custom Arenas” to accomodate the matches how we like it. If one likes using PVE gears, then let’s put in requests and hope that someone in Anet will help. If we need 15v15 or 20v20, let’s ask for it. I don’t disagree with the developer if he indeed said “ruining his game mode” or “kill trading”. The game was made with the intentions of large scale battles between worlds. Zerging/blobbing is part of the intentions whether we like it or not. There are times which one might see that the game mode is ruined… i.e. during resets, long queues, close matches, etc. Everyone is entitled to play the game their way. It’s a fine line in between to see whether the way one plays, such as “GVG” is an exploitation of normal gameplay.

Buzzcrave.6197:

Fay.2735:

I second what Courin has stated and would like to add my own confirmation to what she said.

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game. I mean, I’m super dedicated to the game and he honestly puts me to shame in comparison.

Having had the pleasure to play the game with him and get to know him I’ve been watching this thread with horror because he’s literally the last person to deserve to be dragged through the mud. He’s a lovely, kindhearted and fun person that I’m honored to know and people in this thread are making complete incorrect assumptions about him.

Having watched the video myself all I see, knowing him is someone who tried to find out what was going on. Then got verbal abuse thrown at him and then tried to defuse the situation using his tag. Unfortunately this was taken completely the wrong way and blown way out of proportion.

I can guarantee he meant well and to be honest I feel he was correct in trying to resolve the situation at hand. He made some small mistakes in the way he did which then got woefully misinterpreted, blown out of proportions and all this hatred towards him is seriously undeserved no matter who he is or what he does.

This whole ordeal reminds me of an angry incoherent mob with their pitchforks and torches ready to lynch someone over the slightest thing despite said person being innocent of all the unrelated accusations/complaints being made in regards to GvG/WvW which he is not responsible for.

Also. As Courin said, I’m not speaking on this persons behalf. I just can’t stand seeing people wrongly accuse someone whose kind and whom I consider a friend.

I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.

So, have some patience and see what happens in a year or two. And maybe if you’d ask nicely instead of throwing abuse at Anet they’d be more likely to consider it.

If you really hate the game so much if there is no GvG then perhaps you should play something else in the meantime till they do instead of spamming livestream chats, making demands and constantly creating a negative and toxic environment in the community. You’re just making it less likely anything will happen and just annoy people in the process by being rude.

No matter how nice you think on that person, he kittened up and he deserve to be kittened. Just because he was nice before doesn’t mean he can make a mistake that everyone can let it go. Don’t let that “friend” title cloud your judgement.

No instead he should be defamed and people should attack him. Friendship bias is bad but bias at the other end of the spectrum needs to go too.

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

Riondron.1069:

stuff

Ah, well, now I know who to avoid on ET.

Asudementio.8526:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Fay.2735:

The Anet person in question is one of the most dedicated, passionate people I know when it comes to this game.
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I understand peoples frustration in regards to the GvG/WvW subject but that’s no excuse for this public lynching of a single unrelated person. Secondly to those people who keep demanding GvG. What do you expect them to do? Magically pull a whole new game mode out of thin air?

GvG is done by a minority of players. Anet is a business. If they do decide to implement GvG it would be out of love for their playerbase as they certainly wouldn’t make money out of it and if anything loose money as they’d have to pay a team to build it. Such a process would take a long time that is if they even will.
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Here’s a simple solution for Anet to ‘make’ money via GvG … open up the game mode, and … wait for it…

Charge gems for changing your guild hall, and … wait for it …

… charge gems to have a cape/sPvP guild logo robes whatever you want.

Charge gems for aesthetics. Just like they do with PvE fluff

PS. you can’t tell me they would not make money, and there are no ‘ideas’ or that i’m the first to come up with this stuff. It’s been discussed to death, there are avenues and it is desired. We may be the minority, but the majority already have fat belly’s full of attention.

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not "real" GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ’smashing into eachother’ ... or ’dropping the bomb’ ... joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

personally I do not consider 15 a mini zerg. 30 would be a mini zerg and 40+ would be a zerg.

Most GvG guilds where and are ’Zerg Busting guilds" we normally run with 10-20 each night. this was made as a way to test out zerg busting skills on other guild that do the same to see who was better. (well at least this is how [GF] started out)

also to say this takes little skill/strategy is also not true.
it takes reaction time, battle awareness, and knowledge of what each class is capable of doing and their CD. if it required no skill or strategy any group of 15 can come in and 7-0 [GF][Agg][NS][EP]

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

I dont think you have ever done a GvG or were party of a true open field 15v15 battle during a WvW match. There is tons of strategy which is based on player skill. GW1 was purely player skill for GvG. Could you react fast enough to catch the spike and heal it or can you time your spikes well enough to happen at the same time as everyone else. That was far more important then positioning, timing attacks, ect.

GW2 GvG requires less individual skill as your being covered by your team mates but requires and extreme amount of strategic positioning and timing of attacks and cool downs so that you can get 1 or 2 people down and not lose anyone.

Both forms require skill and strategy, just in very different ways. Yes it looks like a zerg hitting another zerg. Thats based on GW2’s ridiculous animations so everything looks like a spam fest (even 1v1’s in sPvP look like button mashing due to the high amount of animation). In reality there is a lot going on in the background.

Brando.1374:

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

personally I do not consider 15 a mini zerg. 30 would be a mini zerg and 40+ would be a zerg.

Most GvG guilds where and are ’Zerg Busting guilds" we normally run with 10-20 each night. this was made as a way to test out zerg busting skills on other guild that do the same to see who was better. (well at least this is how [GF] started out)

also to say this takes little skill/strategy is also not true.
it takes reaction time, battle awareness, and knowledge of what each class is capable of doing and their CD. if it required no skill or strategy any group of 15 can come in and 7-0 [GF][Agg][NS][EP]

Yes, I get it, but strategy is not involved in apm, button mashing. And Map awareness is not equal watching out for red circles. You know what I mean when I speak of strategy. Don’t try to inflate smashing headstrong into each other some means of tactics. (breaking targeting, and straffing again is not strategy.. it is skill)

Parisalchuk.9230:

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

I dont think you have ever done a GvG or were party of a true open field 15v15 battle during a WvW match. There is tons of strategy which is based on player skill. GW1 was purely player skill for GvG. Could you react fast enough to catch the spike and heal it or can you time your spikes well enough to happen at the same time as everyone else. That was far more important then positioning, timing attacks, ect.

GW2 GvG requires less individual skill as your being covered by your team mates but requires and extreme amount of strategic positioning and timing of attacks and cool downs so that you can get 1 or 2 people down and not lose anyone.

Both forms require skill and strategy, just in very different ways. Yes it looks like a zerg hitting another zerg. Thats based on GW2’s ridiculous animations so everything looks like a spam fest (even 1v1’s in sPvP look like button mashing due to the high amount of animation). In reality there is a lot going on in the background.

GW1 had map otpions to split, or not, spike or balanced, and do multitude of things that could impact the outcome. Hell, a good flag runner could make a difference. Tell me know … at the windmill, how exactly is the current GvG form anything close? When you can see all 30-40 people within your radar? Maps made a huge difference, … would you ever consider splitting your GvG team into 2 teams to push an enemy in its current form? No … why is that ?

Because splitting numbers has negative outcomes in gvg’s current state.

PS… I did say it involves skill in my OP fyi – just not strategy. Running right or left, to the trees or to the hill like a 6 year old soccer game is not strategy, condi flipping because your running through red circles is not strat, its common sense.

Well this is quite the entertaining tempest in a teapot.
So let’s see if i got this: we have a group of players who really love to do GvG and getting by how they can, given the feauture is not implementated, thus using WvW. At one point time they acted completely out of line using verbal abuse and harrasement (all of those being bannable offenses from the get go) over a player (who turned out to be a dev) that was ruining their match, later on running him away. The dev returns , he gets harrassed again when he points out that the improptu gvg actually is against WvW rules. At this point he whips up his anet badge trying to police ppl and starting acting in a rather unproffesional and dare i say childish manner and thus we are here.
OK, now the dev might have acted unproffesionaly but nothing he said warranted such an extreme reaction, even moreso considering the way how the players acted. Those players should have got a little break (called a ban for a few days) considering the language and harrasement policies a-net has in the TOS, from the get go.
Not only that but said players are now drumming up the flames of war, rage and tears on several other sites alongside a request to get the a-net dev fired, because a-net has been mean to them.
Wow, seriously wow

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

Congrats on the bite. Anything to keep the thread going, eh?

Khornet.9526:

Not like the game is called GUILD WARS or anything.
By all means, let’s not add WARS between GUILDS into it.
In fact, let’s throw sand into the community’s eyes by posting the pathetic “adding this in would hurt our other PvP elements sorry guize it can’t be helped(((((((((” excuse.
And THEN, let’s have our official developers scrutinize said community by trying their best to implement a feature so lustfully sought after on their own!

ANet has still yet to continue surprising me about how low can they fall, it would seem.

It seems ANet are in a very chaotic state of disarray, with employee’s leaving or getting fired, 2/3 of the founders leaving the company, etc.

That’s what greed and ignorance will get you. Their employee reviews are mostly telling how bad the company was to communicate with, or underpayed them.

Now we wait for the last main dev to leave and we can kiss GW goodbye forever and say hello to the world of guild wars craft, officially.

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Our keep. As in we owned the keep, lol. reading is fundamental.

Eh my phone likes to change my words, was suppose to be “why do people say this GvG ISN’T GvG?”

Just because the way we GvG right now is just a death match sorta, doesn’t mean it’s not a real GvG.

I offer any of you to bring your 15 man vs my guilds, if you don’t have a strategy or any skill, you will die.

Jamais vu.5284:

ArchonWing.9480:

So umm, if I go into wvw to finish my gathering daily, am I a terrible person for not “participating in the match in good faith” and should be prohibited from doing so?

Yep. According to people like Riondron or Sir Arthur.8905, you should be banned from every regular activity taking place in WvW apart from siegeing and defending castles. Even open-field battles are frowned upon by the new generation of WvW purists, because they at best have the same effect points wise as a GvG. Going by this new doctrine you are to avoid any fights (or like mentioned any other activities) that don’t take place in the context of capturing an objective.

I would agree that wvw isn’t really the right place to go if you’re only looking to gather. That can be done on any pve map, without occupying a slot in a competitive game mode. The idea behind the nodes being in wvw is to give wvw’ers the chance to get crafting materials within their preferred game mode.

Open field fights are just something that will happen “naturally” in a gametype like wvw. It doesn’t matter if you stop an enemy force at the gate of your keep or in the open between the keep and a supply camp. You’ve halted their progress, likely scattered them a bit, and stopped or delayed their attempt to take your keep. Maybe they’ll give up, or maybe they’ll regroup and come back. Either way, you’ll hold that keep for a bit longer and get more points from it.

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Our keep. As in we owned the keep, lol. reading is fundamental.

You sound like the kind of guy who refers to them as fishing camp, bay, that north keep, redbriar, etc. Nobody can read what you say until you speak the language.

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Our keep. As in we owned the keep, lol. reading is fundamental.

It’s not his fault, the universal convention among wvw players is to refer to the keeps on own borderlands as ‘your keeps’ and the keeps on enemy borderlands as ‘their keeps’, regardless of who is owning it for the PPT. It works this way because servers like to focus population on Home BL to have a home-field advange, so having everything on home is a must and anything you take on other BL’s is like extra credit.

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Our keep. As in we owned the keep, lol. reading is fundamental.

You sound like the kind of guy who refers to them as fishing camp, bay, that north keep, redbriar, etc. Nobody can read what you say until you speak the language.

Actually, I use compass directions. Thanks so much though.

Brando.1374:

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

personally I do not consider 15 a mini zerg. 30 would be a mini zerg and 40+ would be a zerg.

Most GvG guilds where and are ’Zerg Busting guilds" we normally run with 10-20 each night. this was made as a way to test out zerg busting skills on other guild that do the same to see who was better. (well at least this is how [GF] started out)

also to say this takes little skill/strategy is also not true.
it takes reaction time, battle awareness, and knowledge of what each class is capable of doing and their CD. if it required no skill or strategy any group of 15 can come in and 7-0 [GF][Agg][NS][EP]

For terms, it’s all relative. For example in my tier, people call 5-10 mini zerg =P

26 pages and we have seen the response and apology from ANET in regards to this incident. When are we going to see a similar response from those people involved for their language and treatment of the ANET person? Apologies should go both ways in this case but I have yet to see the opposing side man up and do so. All I see is “he kittened up and should be lynched, tarred and feathered and run out of town”. Since such language is against the TOS should those involved be punished accordingly which would constitute a ban? Fair is fair! Both sides were wrong.

I don’t get it… GvG seems like a win/win situation for everyone. Two guilds get to throw themselves at each other in a friendly skirmish and all the siege champions can smash their faces against doors and lay down epic plans to conquer the battlefield with mighty machines of war! The pugs and commanders can farm that WXP without looking over their shoulder.

Edit: I can only imagine the people opposing GvG’s to be the same people who sit on a treb for hours on end.

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

Player Character.9467:

Sanduskel.1850:

I try to leave the gvg crowd be, but honestly many come off as elitist. Secondly, tonight there was a huge gvg event in tc bl, where we were fighting to save our keep. We could not get help in the bl, and when we asked for help to save our keep we were told to leave the bl. This is way too early in the match to be throwing the match.

No it isn’t, ur matched to BG and SoR. The match was thrown when it was made, don’t lie to yourself. Your highest tick not including the first couple hours was what? a 240?

Did I say which server I call home? Lol you know what they say abou ASSumptions.

Uh, you did when you referred to anything in TC BL as YOURS?

Our keep. As in we owned the keep, lol. reading is fundamental.

You sound like the kind of guy who refers to them as fishing camp, bay, that north keep, redbriar, etc. Nobody can read what you say until you speak the language.

Actually, I use compass directions. Thanks so much though.

We usually refer to keeps by their common name. Hills, Bay and Garri(son). Camps are normally compass direction.

And “our” keeps are the ones on our home BL. “Their” keeps are the ones on enemy BLs, even if we happen to be holding one of them.

Theftwind.8976:

26 pages and we have seen the response and apology from ANET in regards to this incident. When are we going to see a similar response from those people involved for their language and treatment of the ANET person? Apologies should go both ways in this case but I have yet to see the opposing side man up and do so. All I see is “he kittened up and should be lynched, tarred and feathered and run out of town”. Since such language is against the TOS should those involved be punished accordingly which would constitute a ban? Fair is fair! Both sides were wrong.

We shouldn’t see a response from the other side, because frankly it’s not necessary.

It’s pretty black and white here IMO, was the guy being a jerk to the dev, sure because the dev deliberately poked his head back there. If this happened between two normal people in WvW there wouldn’t even be a forum post about it, they would just troll each other and leave, it happens all the time in this game……

The main issue is that it was an employee of anet….I don’t care if the guy called his momma a hamster and father reeked of elder berries….

I also wouldn’t care if the Anet guy intentionally left his tag off and trolled the GvG…yeah maybe he’s a jerk, but hey you can always kill him and move on etc.

Problem is…this guy decided to represent Anet with his tag and continue…..at that point….all bets are off lol

Here let me go put on my work shirt and come back and yell at the customer’s….that always fixes everything…..

Theftwind.8976:

26 pages and we have seen the response and apology from ANET in regards to this incident. When are we going to see a similar response from those people involved for their language and treatment of the ANET person? Apologies should go both ways in this case but I have yet to see the opposing side man up and do so. All I see is “he kittened up and should be lynched, tarred and feathered and run out of town”. Since such language is against the TOS should those involved be punished accordingly which would constitute a ban? Fair is fair! Both sides were wrong.

I’m sorry but you seem to have a balanced and rational view of this situation and as such i must remind you of the official version of this event:
“cough” the poor poor players, who are innocent and perfect and didn’t do anything wrong were just having a GvG and a mean and evil troll came to spoil their fun. And as such they fought with him valiantly day and night but the troll used his A-net badge thus it was revealed that he was no mere troll but the trolliest of the trolls. Shocked and dismayed at the true power of their enemy, they bravely fought and managed to vanquish him in game in the end, but the crusade carries on in real life and on many other forums for this evil must be purged from the world.

AlexEBT.7240:

Theftwind.8976:

26 pages and we have seen the response and apology from ANET in regards to this incident. When are we going to see a similar response from those people involved for their language and treatment of the ANET person? Apologies should go both ways in this case but I have yet to see the opposing side man up and do so. All I see is “he kittened up and should be lynched, tarred and feathered and run out of town”. Since such language is against the TOS should those involved be punished accordingly which would constitute a ban? Fair is fair! Both sides were wrong.

I’m sorry but you seem to have a balanced and rational view of this situation and as such i must remind you of the official version of this event:
“cough” the poor poor players, who are innocent and perfect and didn’t do anything wrong were just having a GvG and a mean and evil troll came to spoil their fun. And as such they fought with him valiantly day and night but the troll used his A-net badge thus it was revealed that he was no mere troll but the trolliest of the trolls. Shocked and dismayed at the true power of their enemy, they bravely fought and managed to vanquish him in game in the end, but the crusade carries on in real life and on many other forums for this evil must be purged from the world.

LOL, it’s ok if developers troll….but if they get my coffee wrong at the coffee shop I’m gonna flip my lid…people are so niave.

Theftwind.8976:

26 pages and we have seen the response and apology from ANET in regards to this incident. When are we going to see a similar response from those people involved for their language and treatment of the ANET person? Apologies should go both ways in this case but I have yet to see the opposing side man up and do so. All I see is “he kittened up and should be lynched, tarred and feathered and run out of town”. Since such language is against the TOS should those involved be punished accordingly which would constitute a ban? Fair is fair! Both sides were wrong.

I hope they apologized to him personally for being rude, but at this point in the thread that is almost off topic. There aren’t 26 pages for that brief encounter, but rather because some people actually defend the idea that you shouldn’t be allowed to organize PvP fights in an open world PvP environment.

Gamadorn.2659:

Here let me go put on my work shirt and come back and yell at the customer’s….that always fixes everything…..

Where did he yell? The silly little “you violate my game mode” part? Cause that’s the only thing he said that can be taken as offensive to anyone. Outside of that he was far more respectful than the players, who btw broke the TOS with some of those replies and they didn’t get banned for that.

This thread should be closed. Wrong forums. This is WvW forums, not GvG. Maybe you could try it in sPvP forums – I know they want people to duel at Custom Arenas(so they can make money selling them). Might be also a solution for some nice 10 vs. 10 GvG to go there.

WvW really is not the place to do GvG. It’s meant for servers to fight each other. Of course you still can try GvG – nobody can stop you. But then you can’t complain about others interferring.

Gamadorn.2659:

LOL, it’s ok if developers troll….but if they get my coffee wrong at the coffee shop I’m gonna flip my lid…people are so niave.

I said both parties handled this wrong and made mistakes, some bigger than the others but i don’t see A-net making threads all over here, reddit, etc asking for those players to loose their jobs, or harassing them ingame (just speculation on this one but considering the response we got here in these forums and the fact his account name has been published this may very well be true) over this.

Luthan.5236:

This thread should be closed. Wrong forums. This is WvW forums, not GvG. Maybe you could try it in sPvP forums – I know they want people to duel at Custom Arenas(so they can make money selling them). Might be also a solution for some nice 10 vs. 10 GvG to go there.

WvW really is not the place to do GvG. It’s meant for servers to fight each other. Of course you still can try GvG – nobody can stop you. But then you can’t complain about others interferring.

We have our own forum, our own little naughty step!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events

And yeah, pvp definitely allows you to customize and fine tune your builds as much as wvw does, right?

Yes it does. It is even better cause there are no equipment differences and no annoying siege. So go sPvP then and stop complaining here.

Luthan.5236:

Yes it does. It is even better cause there are no equipment differences and no annoying siege. So go sPvP then and stop complaining here.

they want to kick me out of the Spvp forums to your argument is invalid.

K U T M.4539:

We have our own forum, our own little naughty step!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/events

And yeah, pvp definitely allows you to customize and fine tune your builds as much as wvw does, right?

That limitation in spvp just wrecks any interest I would have in it. I understand why a lot of you don’t want any official gvg to use the spvp format.

I think the best think that could happen right now is for an instance/separate map to be added to wvw borderlands. A simple arena with room for spectators. It’s a win/win/win situation. It gives a better place for gvg, eliminates any issues with wvw, and is the easiest to add. The gvg community seems to be doing a pretty good job of managing itself, so that seems like a decent solution till an official gametype could be developed.

AlexEBT.7240:

Gamadorn.2659:

LOL, it’s ok if developers troll….but if they get my coffee wrong at the coffee shop I’m gonna flip my lid…people are so niave.

I said both parties handled this wrong and made mistakes, some bigger than the others but i don’t see A-net making threads all over here, reddit, etc asking for those players to loose their jobs, or harassing them ingame (just speculation on this one but considering the response we got here in these forums and the fact his account name has been published this may very well be true) over this.

No they didn’t, employee’s don’t get the right to troll, yell, subversively be a kitten, nothing…to customers….or else…you get in trouble….end of story. That’s it.

If that wasn’t the case, I can assure you that people everywhere would be tooling on kitten customers….but you just can’t, if you do….you’re gonna get in trouble. That’s it…even if the customer deserves it.

So no and as for the TOS bullkitten, if you want truly enforce the TOS you better be banning a lot more people and probably half of lions arch while you’re at it haha

oh and people at crafting stations…jumping puzzles…griefers….take your nancy care bare, middle of the road, I don’t have any opinion and “I don’t want to offend anyone” approach somewhere else lol.

ARTHUSIMON.7481:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Why didn’t you just have the other team spike him and continue on with your GvG, you guys whining about it is just as bad as him complaining.

He did get spiked…by the guys fromthe third server that wanted to watch the fight xD

I just wanted to add…. I spiked the GM.

Gamadorn.2659:

If that wasn’t the case, I can assure you that people everywhere would be tooling on kitten customers….but you just can’t, if you do….you’re gonna get in trouble. That’s it…even if the customer deserves it.

Ofc “customer is always right” until they start to be verbally abusive and harass the employee, that’s the moment when you call security and remove the costumer or in this case ban them. However the dev did the wrong thing and tried to talk back (the amount of offense, considering his talk back consisted of “you are violating my game mode” is up for debate) and having an unprofessional conduct while wearing the badge thus both parties were in the wrong.
The reason i’m siding up more on the side of the dev is the exagerate response from the community who seems to want this dev fired and then lynched for this. He should be reprimanded? Sure but so should be the players since they were in the wrong as well.

AlexEBT.7240:

Gamadorn.2659:

If that wasn’t the case, I can assure you that people everywhere would be tooling on kitten customers….but you just can’t, if you do….you’re gonna get in trouble. That’s it…even if the customer deserves it.

Ofc “customer is always right” until they start to be verbally abusive and harass the employee, that’s the moment when you call security and remove the costumer or in this case ban them. However the dev did the wrong thing and tried to talk back (the amount of offense, considering his talk back consisted of “you are violating my game mode” is up for debate) and having an unprofessional conduct while wearing the badge thus both parties were in the wrong.
The reason i’m siding up more on the side of the dev is the exagerate response from the community who seems to want this dev fired and then lynched for this. He should be reprimanded? Sure but so should be the players since they were in the wrong as well.

My problem with what you just said though…is that you have a problem with the community response and not necessarily with the players involved. It just seems your upset with some of the forum warriors responses here, which I would guess these developers have long since tuned us out