Guild Wars 2

Oh I may have to log on tonight just to read the map chat… oh the egos of some of the server leaders and guilds who “run things” on their server getting paired up with past enemies or just other leaders….. The outright culture clashes are going to be phenomenally entertaining…. “Get off my map Scrub!, half my guild is in que”, “No you get off!” etc……

And I foresee Transfer Wars 2 on the horizon.

yeah, french server linked together should be fun to see

\o/ M SO EXCITED \o/

What about HOW the population is distributed? I’ve heard that server caps are now halved for each server. So now server 1 gets half the map population and server 2 gets the other half.

Tspatula.9086:

Oh I may have to log on tonight just to read the map chat… oh the egos of some of the server leaders and guilds who “run things” on their server getting paired up with past enemies or just other leaders….. The outright culture clashes are going to be phenomenally entertaining…. “Get off my map Scrub!, half my guild is in que”, “No you get off!” etc……

And I foresee Transfer Wars 2 on the horizon.

No different than what used to happen on Alpine a couple years ago :p

What about the glicko hell of low/top tiers? Will you prevent tier walls with this system?

Wait, so those of us who intentionally sought out low-tier servers to avoid zergs/queues are going to be paired with the highest population servers? I paid money to transfer servers to avoid exactly that.

EDIT: I should say that I do like the overall changes to WvW, and I see the necessity of some sort of server merge/pairing. My specific concern is that for those of us on lower tier servers there is going to be a rather large change in the game experience; once that most of us will see as a negative (not to mention the reaction of the higher tier servers suddenly finding their queued BG’s full of solo roamer types from their partner server). If we wanted to be on the highest tier servers we would have transferred there.

Obviously it is too late to change the design for the first round of the beta, but perhaps a system where the lowest tier servers are rolled up together into linked servers to provide a moderately populated lower tier environment may be worth testing?

James Asner.2597:

What about HOW the population is distributed? I’ve heard that server caps are now halved for each server. So now server 1 gets half the map population and server 2 gets the other half.

I don’t think they are talking about map limits, I think that is referring to the server population and whether they are considered full or medium or high in terms of transferring costs. My guess is the map pop caps are going to be the same, and there will be no differentiation between a person from server 1 entering versus someone from server 2 entering from a pair…

Gonna be interesting in T2.
I also can’t wait to see who gets to come be buddies with us DBers.

Hey everyone,

first of all thx for rebirthing WvW with a lot of changes!
I just wanted to share some concerns towards the world-linking as I dont see the value nor the sense of this world linking beta due to a couple of reasons:
- TS communication
- Raiding Guilds
- Server Communitys
etc.

I wondered if ist not better for everyone to just Close down Servers, before you scream ahhh my Server, mind the following Situation:
- paired up with new Server on reset
1. Need to check ts
2. Need to check who tags
3. …
Next week:
- paired up with another Server on reset
1. Need to check ts
2. Need to check who tags
3. …
etc. etc…
wouldnt it therefore be much more easier to just have to go through the pain once? Instead of getting shot in the breast and letting you bleed out slowly, id rather take one straight and go on with it :-)

As also posted above there will be lots of Drama to be caused by this System.
- Who tags up
- What strategy
- What builds
- What so ever :-)

However I guess most can agree that we are thankful that there is now something Happening and is tested, it might turn out i’m wrong, but currently I simply cant see the benefit in it.

Nevertheless good reset for everyone!

It was said in the AMA that population caps would be lowered for paired worlds

Source: http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-spring-quarterly-update-reddit-ama/
“Worlds that are paired will have lower population caps.”

Edit: This was clarified by Tyler Bearce, see posts below.

How much longer are we going to have to wait for the alpine to get back? If you are going to create even larger queues on EB by merging servers you need to give us a map that works for WvW for the bl.

Will be interesting as TC is already queuing all maps nightly during NA. Wish they would exclude certain servers with the pairings, but will be nice to fight more opponents during NA.

kitten the alpine,
the moment of truth comes…..

Current BLs have tons of space so no need to bring back smaller maps, just remove pve events and allow more people on them. People should stop being afraid to play on them

I agree with others here that server paring is not a solution. It only creates several organisation problems as you are not linked to someone permanently. To me best thing is to simply merge servers. This means only one time of creating a new combined community instead of having to do that every few weeks/months.

So we find out who we are paired with at reset or is the list released?

kaco.9856:

Current BLs have tons of space so no need to bring back smaller maps, just remove pve events and allow more people on them. People should stop being afraid to play on them

EB has lagged since day 1 when map is capped and all three servers engaged. What’s you’re logic behind desert magically being able to bypass the limitations of the GW2 engine and allow more players?

The only thing that concerns me with this linking scheme is how royally screwed the worlds at the low end of the “too high population to pair, too low population to rise” will be. Will we see low tier suddenly race up the tiers? Will we see mid tier servers drop like stones? Guess we’ll find out. I have zero faith in this system at the moment but maybe it will be good.

Dopamine.7502:

I agree with others here that server paring is not a solution. It only creates several organisation problems as you are not linked to someone permanently. To me best thing is to simply merge servers. This means only one time of creating a new combined community instead of having to do that every few weeks/months.

Well, they aren’t going to repair servers more than a couple times a year, and my guess is that if this first pairing is even remotely playable that Anet will simply take the beta label off and let things ride with an eye to fine toon things in the first re-pairing many months from now.

Dawdler.8521:

kaco.9856:

Current BLs have tons of space so no need to bring back smaller maps, just remove pve events and allow more people on them. People should stop being afraid to play on them

EB has lagged since day 1 when map is capped and all three servers engaged. What’s you’re logic behind desert magically being able to bypass the limitations of the GW2 engine and allow more players?

I dont remember using magic.

If they’re lowering the caps for paired worlds how does that help anybody? If you’re pairing a world that has the numbers to reliably fill a WvW map on their own and then pairing them with a world that doesn’t then you’ve raised the total number of players with access to the map but are subsequently lowering how many people can be in the map?

This just seems like the sort of plan that will lead to longer queues and bickering solely by its design.

It would be nice to know the linked world beforehand so we can organize as to best avoid any unnecessary clashes and offer any new friends in the partner worlds help wherever they may need/want.

reaching out to people, helping them out, giving them TS info, and organizing in a large scale as to best avoid giant queues all night (particularly true in T1) all takes a significant amount of time we dont have if were kept in the dark about things.

Suggestion:

Google search – “Reboot Base Map Mechanic”

Rasudido.6734:

It would be nice to know the linked world beforehand so we can organize as to best avoid any unnecessary clashes and offer any new friends in the partner worlds help wherever they may need/want.

reaching out to people, helping them out, giving them TS info, and organizing in a large scale as to best avoid giant queues all night (particularly true in T1) all takes a significant amount of time we dont have if were kept in the dark about things.

While I at first agree with the organizing part and such, on the other side you obviously have the guilds that are totally going to take advantage and switch and bandwagon to a certain server.

The solution could be to disallow switching server for the first match or well into the first match and then let us know beforehand for organizing purposes.

But it’s all very sensitive information in the wrong hands really.

How will the queues work now? Are both servers ‘merged’ together and share the same queue or are the maps split in half (as one server is allocated 50 percent of the spots, and the other server allocated 50 percent)?

Hopefully not the former, as that will lead to extremely large queues for several servers while not even filling the map if the partnered server can’t fill their spots.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Linked worlds will have lower population caps for the purposes of server transfers. We will not be changing map caps.

By linked, you mean all servers, correct?

Does this mean that servers in tier one and two are going to have their map caps cut in half, while being paired with t7-t8 servers which won’t even have anyone on the DBLs?

If thats the case, you’ll have half empty maps with queues of 50+.

Hopefully you’re offering free transfers to all servers if this is the case.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Linked worlds will share the same queue. A map can contain any number of players from either linked world, until the team map cap is reached.

Thanks for the clarification. Good call.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Rasudido.6734:

It would be nice to know the linked world beforehand so we can organize as to best avoid any unnecessary clashes and offer any new friends in the partner worlds help wherever they may need/want.

reaching out to people, helping them out, giving them TS info, and organizing in a large scale as to best avoid giant queues all night (particularly true in T1) all takes a significant amount of time we dont have if were kept in the dark about things.

While I at first agree with the organizing part and such, on the other side you obviously have the guilds that are totally going to take advantage and switch and bandwagon to a certain server.

The solution could be to disallow switching server for the first match or well into the first match and then let us know beforehand for organizing purposes.

But it’s all very sensitive information in the wrong hands really.

I agree completely

That said we have info that individual server pairings can be changed and may not be permanent, which would certainly put a dent into people trying to bandwagon. Your idea on locking server transfers until well into the match would also work.

I guess on certain timezones 2 servers paired can lead to actually have numbers on EU or SEA or Ocx for some servers… being able to defend stuff before moving into another timezone. Would be great if that would have been taken in account in matching up servers…
That doesn’t have to mean queues , actually finally numbers for some servers… where usually everything would turn into paper…

However i am concerned about the TS. Especially as players need to be verified… first 2 days all the time… great for people who have to spent their time doing that…

Or having to add another TS locations every week…

Also i agree. Some people left high tier servers for they like to play more laid back not facing blobs etc… So it seems to give the feeling only tier 1 players have been taken into account..

Chris Barrett.3280:

Due to the increased deviation and volatility combined with fewer total worlds, there shouldn’t be a “Glicko hell” again for a little while. We’ll continue to watch how Glicko rating, deviation, and volatility develop to see how well world linking— and our approach to it this first time with Glicko— plays out in the Live game.

Okay. How are Glicko ratings for individual servers being calculated during linked matches? Some of us are wondering what the trick is to separate the linked worlds during Glicko rating calc, so that new (different) pairings can occur at each (for now 3 month) pairing interval.

Chris Barrett.3280:

Due to the increased deviation and volatility combined with fewer total worlds, there shouldn’t be a “Glicko hell” again for a little while.

This has been a question for some of us in the lower tiers. If we end up paired with a higher ranked tier, how would that impact our Glicko? The “linking” seemed to allude to the idea that servers wouldn’t lose their identity (yet), but you say “fewer total worlds” as though the linked servers will just become part of a different world? How will that work?

My concern coming from a lower level server is I’ve rarely had to sit in a queue. I’m worried that I will now have to sit in queues. Especially at reset.

Poor guys in Vabbi, they will never be able to go to EB…

billkamm.9201:

My concern coming from a lower level server is I’ve rarely had to sit in a queue. I’m worried that I will now have to sit in queues. Especially at reset.

This is a very likely situation and you probably will have to deal with it as its inevitable (t1 and t2 servers all queue up all maps on reset).

Your best bet to avoid down time when you want to play is to reach out to the larger server, join their TS if possible and coordinate with their groups to see where you can join and play easily. Most high population servers already organize to divide their guild groups evenly and avoid queues as much as possible.

Bandini.6185:

Poor guys in Vabbi, they will never be able to go to EB…

More like for once deso will have q outside of EB. .. nvm

First of all, it’s AbaDDon not ABBadon.
Over that, thats totally crap not linkin this server…
Sry, but thats killin a community…

Can we get match-up threads on the official forums? Would be a great way to connect with our pairings…

I suppose that World populations are affected by WvW-Linking system. I can clearly see that some servers are full now in the “World Select” screen. They are Desolation, Far Shiverpeaks, Gandara, Drakkar Lake, Augury Rock and Aurora Glade. I believe that they were not full before this system.

I do not know, it is planned or a bug.

SorryChief.5061:

I suppose that World populations are affected by WvW-Linking system. I can clearly see that some servers are full now in the “World Select” screen. They are Desolation, Far Shiverpeaks, Gandara, Drakkar Lake, Augury Rock and Aurora Glade. I believe that they were not full before this system.

I do not know, it is planned or a bug.

This has been planned. They put a lower population cap on servers to avoid the mass amounts of transferring that would have surely happened. If people want to rage because they don’t like their matchup, they’ll have to rage quit instead of rage transfer

SorryChief.5061:

I suppose that World populations are affected by WvW-Linking system. I can clearly see that some servers are full now in the “World Select” screen. They are Desolation, Far Shiverpeaks, Gandara, Drakkar Lake, Augury Rock and Aurora Glade. I believe that they were not full before this system.

I do not know, it is planned or a bug.

As stated above, world caps were lowered for paired servers, since that’s just based on WvW participation… and participation automatically increased through pairing. (Map caps remain the same.)

Gaile Gray.6029:

We used factors like the world’s current rank and population numbers to define pairings.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Linked worlds will have lower population caps for the purposes of server transfers.

Let’s ask the obvious question of how current? Another question is going to be, after being linked, how locked are our Worlds going to be? Because overall population does not make a winning team. You need to have a balanced population across the day to be successful in WvW. So how locked down are we going to be after this linking?

The worst case scenario is that this linking ends up being exactly as the leaked info was. And then, we’re all locked out from changing anything for months. The tables will flip themselves if this is the outcome.

don’t forget that all those thing are in beta, just to try and see what happen.
I prefer that Anet try something new in beta and make some change or come back, that if they change everything without any come back possible.

Hi there,

it’s 2 years and half that I didn’t play GW2. I’m playing since two weeks.
There are 138 players in queue spread around. I didn’t see this since I was on Tier 1 and I’m playing on a server ranked 14th.

Please, before end the beta keep in mind that the contribution of new players, should be WISE as I wanna play, that’s why I’m on a middle server.

Sus.3610:

This has been planned. They put a lower population cap on servers to avoid the mass amounts of transferring that would have surely happened. If people want to rage because they don’t like their matchup, they’ll have to rage quit instead of rage transfer

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

As stated above, world caps were lowered for paired servers, since that’s just based on WvW participation… and participation automatically increased through pairing. (Map caps remain the same.)

Yes, you are right in this situation. I have read that in notes and it seems that it had already planned.. An easy thing to miss At least, It will be possibly helping some players who would miss/confuse that rule like me..