Guild Wars 2

Wallace MacBix.2089:

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I guess my point is this.

It is fair to argue that you don’t want to see rnd chance for skins. (more on this in a sec)

It is not fair to say that you were cheated out of your money/gold after the fact. (For example if you bought black lion keys because you wanted a Permanent Bank Access Contract [I just picked something that can’t be bought on the gem store normally] and then said you were cheated when you didn’t get it?)

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As for why I think Anet uses this rnd chance system.
1) Anet needs to make money somehow -
if they sold the skins in the store (for say 800 gems as some have suggested), they would lose money (or at least they think they would lose money, otherwise they would do that). yes, people here say that “i would buy 3 skins if they were in the store, but i won’t buy rnd boxes” but for everyone of those people there are those that spend $50, $75, or even $100 trying to get just one ticket.
if they sold them for a very high cost ($50-$100 worth of gems) people would just shout “you just want our money and this isn’t fair”

2) It gives a “fair” chance to “everyone” –
if content was locked behind some hard dungeon/jp/something people would complain (like they did for the halloween jp) and it shuns the casual players.
if it was only in the store some people could complain that they couldn’t afford it this month for whatever reason or that they would rather have a way to earn the skin in game and this shuns those that don’t have much disposable income.
this allows someone to have a chance for 5 minutes of play
technically it still is most in favor of those that have the most time/grinders (but that will almost always be the case)

Do I think this system is perfect? No, but I can at least understand why they use it. I think this is a better system than it has been. It’s a lot easier to get these coffers than previous holiday events, and you technically don’t need to spend any real money or gold to get one (you just need to be lucky). And personally, I think I like this approach more than “big world boss has a 0.5% chance to drop a ticket, but only spawns every 2-3 hours, have fun!” or “you can only get this by rnd chance through the gem store.”

Once again this isn’t to go against the “we don’t want rnd chance in the future” or “we’d prefer to have some sort of challenge to get X item” which are both valid complaints.

you made some pretty valid points. I totally dislike the rng-approach, but I dont spend money and dont complain about not getting anything as I get how the system works.

As for selling the skins in the store and making less money….still not convinced on this as I somehow refuse to believe people are that stupid…then again, Anet has the numbers….

Also agree on this being better than lets say the fused weapons….at least you can get a “chance” much more easily. What I dont agree on is that it is better to “only” need to be lucky than to spend gold/gems or do “hard work/grind”….because I always prefer something to have a fixed amount of whatever it needs, so I can calculate it. Do I want to spend that amount, do I want to grind that much? If I actually do, then I’ll be able to get it…

Do NOT buy the “rich dragon coffers” from the gemstore if you are looking for tickets. The drop rate is around 1.27%. (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rich_Dragon_Coffer/drop_rate)

And you’d think you’d get a fair chance with gemstore purchased coffers. They really need to have the drop % listed on these RNG gemstore items. This is almost like a scam!

“Dragon’s Jade Weapon Skins
Show your Dragon Bash spirit with these cool new weapon skins with a distinctly draconic look. You can find weapon tickets inside Rich Dragon Coffers and (rarely) in Dragon Coffers, and exchange them for weapon skins from Black Lion Weapon Specialists in every major city!” (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/june-11-2013/#new-rewards)

^ I don’t know about you guys, but this is VERY MISLEADING

TL;DR: Do not bother with dragon tickets.

lol, by Anet logic 1.27% chance is apparently common, since only in regular dragon coffers are they “rare”. I guess compared to .06% chance in regular ones but still, really?

But anyways, I think everyone realizes the rich coffers are a ripoff at this point. The normal ones at current prices on the other hand can usually get you a ticket using somewhere in the range of 5 to 25g, which isn’t that bad all things considered.

Dont let it get you down if you haven’t gotten one yet. After i saw aegis on the dragon shield i was determained to get one, and farmed for 4-5 days collecting coffers. I was getting really discouraged around the 1k mark, because i heard of so many other opening less then 100 and getting thier ticket. But i kept at it, and it was around the 1.4k mark i got my ticket. Now i’ve stopped farming the holograms and sell off my coffers. I found a dragon wing from one set of holograms throughout my 5 day farming frenzy also, so in the end it was worth the time invested. Just keep at it, because it could be right around the corner, you dont know untill you open more

opened over 3k regular coffers to try and just get one ticket and I got nothing I got so many minis I gave them away to guild members and new players who don’t have much
it seemed better when the tickets where in the black lion chest at least people did not have to buy a kitten ton of keys to get a ticket I think it was my 5th black lion chest and I got a fused ticket and I only bought 3 keys at least I got 2 keys from open chest here you get a whole bunch of taffy and fire works that you end of throwing away I have 2stacks of fireworks im going to destroy (P.S I know it was not that easy to get a fused ticket but people who wanted one ended up getting one at a reasonable number of boxes opened I think people I talked to opened around 20 boxes some more some less but never had to open like 100 chest to get one)

Zfx”

“which offers a greater chance to receive rare items like holographic minis and the Dragon’s Jade weapon skins! “

The text you cited in no way states that you have a guarantee that skins will drop from Rich Coffers. As a result ArenaNet did not lie, rather you saw things in this line of text that weren’t there.

I have been watching this thread and others like it for a while and tbh, I can’t see a) what the issue is b) why many of you are complaining.

There is no issue here. Dragon chests are dropped, for free, as part of the normal game. It is stated that the drop rate for jade skins is incredibly low for the regular chests (about 0.00something per chest). That means that every time you open one you have a 0.00something % chance on each chest of getting a weapon skin. The chance of finding one does not increase as you open more. Its 0.00something % chance on each chest. That’s the facts. That’s the maths. Regular chests are plentiful and free. It should be no stress.

Now of course you could spend you in game gold or real money in the form of gems. But, just because you have spent fake or real money on something does not increase the mathematical chance of those chests in question. You are buying a heap of gambles not a bunch of certainty. You want the 100% certainty of getting a weapon skin then go buy a weapon skin, not a box with only a 1.00something or 0.00something % chance of acquiring the item you want.

Why you would want to spend real money (other than the £’s you pay for the original game) buying things that do nothing to increase your performance in-game and exists only as a onscreen set of pixels representing a string of code hosted on a server somewhere is beyond me. I have never, nor will I ever buy gems or anything from the gem store.

Sorry if that sounds fairly blunt peeps. But all the crying over this is fairly silly.

If you think im wrong, let me know

I’ve opened over a 1000 normal Dragon Coffers, and the result was two mini Risen Knights, and nothing else of value. No weapon tickets or Holographic Dragon Wings.

But a few days ago in Fractals, we are doing the dredge Fractal, and the Holographic Dragon Wings drop from one of the Ice Elementals randomly. I think I might as well ignore the coffers completely now.

The wings do not drop from the Coffers

I have totally lost count on how many of those Dragon Coffers I have opened, I even bought a few of the Rich Dragon Coffers, though I have yet to receive any ticket. I don’t see why anyone would use this as an excuse to leave the game. Yeah I would love to have a ticket or two drop, I love the skins for the shortbow and longbow. I’m sure that with the way Arenanet repeated the festivals in GW1 that there will always be a chance in the coming years to aquire them again.

lordkrall.7241:

The wings do not drop from the Coffers

Well that explains a lot. I seriously wonder though if Anet seriously expects people to collect 400 stacks of candy just to get those wings. And the drop rate on those weapon tickets is absurd. I might as well not bother at all.

BeardMonk.1749:

I have been watching this thread and others like it for a while and tbh, I can’t see a) what the issue is b) why many of you are complaining.

There is no issue here. Dragon chests are dropped, for free, as part of the normal game. It is stated that the drop rate for jade skins is incredibly low for the regular chests (about 0.00something per chest). That means that every time you open one you have a 0.00something % chance on each chest of getting a weapon skin. The chance of finding one does not increase as you open more. Its 0.00something % chance on each chest. That’s the facts. That’s the maths. Regular chests are plentiful and free. It should be no stress.

Now of course you could spend you in game gold or real money in the form of gems. But, just because you have spent fake or real money on something does not increase the mathematical chance of those chests in question. You are buying a heap of gambles not a bunch of certainty. You want the 100% certainty of getting a weapon skin then go buy a weapon skin, not a box with only a 1.00something or 0.00something % chance of acquiring the item you want.

Why you would want to spend real money (other than the £’s you pay for the original game) buying things that do nothing to increase your performance in-game and exists only as a onscreen set of pixels representing a string of code hosted on a server somewhere is beyond me. I have never, nor will I ever buy gems or anything from the gem store.

Sorry if that sounds fairly blunt peeps. But all the crying over this is fairly silly.

If you think im wrong, let me know

I think you’re wrong.

BeardMonk.1749:

Why you would want to spend real money (other than the £’s you pay for the original game) buying things that do nothing to increase your performance in-game and exists only as a onscreen set of pixels representing a string of code hosted on a server somewhere is beyond me.

Finding the right look for our characters is a big part of the fun for many (but not all) players. If we can’t make our characters look the way we want them to look, it’s just not as much fun to play them.

BeardMonk.1749:

You want the 100% certainty of getting a weapon skin then go buy a weapon skin, not a box with only a 1.00something or 0.00something % chance of acquiring the item you want.

We can’t buy a jade weapon skin. The only way to get them is from the dragon coffers. Not sure how you missed it, if you’ve been watching this thread and others like it, but that’s the issue.

That’s why I think you’re wrong.

I think a lot of players were looking forward to these themed new weapons skins. This is a festival after all, and to celebrate that, people like new goodies. Some of these goodies already require a lot of gems (like the marriner’s horn or the mini pet packs), but at least when you buy them, you have a 100% guarantee that you get what you paid for.

With the weapon tickets this is not the case. Players are encouraged to open hundreds of these coffers for a tiny chance to get a ticket, or to buy the rich coffers for a slightly higher chance still. But the chances of getting a ticket are obviously so tiny, that a lot of players will end up feeling very disappointed.

• What is the reason to make the drop rate so low? How does that make it more fun?

• Is the process of buying coffers for gems that contain random junk, considered fun?

• Why would you willingly take player’s money, and reward them with junk items?

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

• What is the reason to make the drop rate so low? How does that make it more fun?

• Is the process of buying coffers for gems that contain random junk, considered fun?

• Why would you willingly take player’s money, and reward them with junk items?

• To still have them somewhat rare and wanted. If everyone ran around with 2 Jade weapons they would be no special and people wouldn’t bother with buying the coffers.

• Define fun? Most of the “junk” is quite useful

• The only actual junk that drops are Fireworks and Zhaitaffy (and possibly the mini, but it does have it uses), while the other stuff is all quite useful.

Ghyer.4172:

Astral Projections.7320:

Kawloon Fuathach.3807:

Opened roughly around 175 normal coffers, and got 2 tickets, 7 mini’s and a metric ton of fireworks, along with some food and a bunch of Zhaitaffy. The system works, and is fine as is, just gotta hope you get lucky.

Just out of curiosity, if you one of the people who have opened 2000 to 3000 coffers and not gotten a ticket, would you still say the system works and is fine as is?

I’m not saying the current RNG system works fine or not, either way I knew going into what I like to call " The Willy Wonka syndrome " was gonna be more then likely against me. If I didn’t get a ticket I would be bummed out sure. I wouldn’t be cussing out the system that is in place, we all know how loot drops in this game has been an issue since November.
However it was my choice to make to spend 120 gold on 5345 coffers. Now if Anet had these skins for a straight up gem purchase of 600 – 800 gems, plus this system I think it would have been better for the community.

I totally agree! Feel a little ripped off spending $50 bucks for 50 Rich Coffers just to get candy and some fireworks!

Forneus.4930:

Wallace MacBix.2089:

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I guess my point is this.

It is fair to argue that you don’t want to see rnd chance for skins. (more on this in a sec)

It is not fair to say that you were cheated out of your money/gold after the fact. (For example if you bought black lion keys because you wanted a Permanent Bank Access Contract [I just picked something that can’t be bought on the gem store normally] and then said you were cheated when you didn’t get it?)

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As for why I think Anet uses this rnd chance system.
1) Anet needs to make money somehow -
if they sold the skins in the store (for say 800 gems as some have suggested), they would lose money (or at least they think they would lose money, otherwise they would do that). yes, people here say that “i would buy 3 skins if they were in the store, but i won’t buy rnd boxes” but for everyone of those people there are those that spend $50, $75, or even $100 trying to get just one ticket.
if they sold them for a very high cost ($50-$100 worth of gems) people would just shout “you just want our money and this isn’t fair”

2) It gives a “fair” chance to “everyone” –
if content was locked behind some hard dungeon/jp/something people would complain (like they did for the halloween jp) and it shuns the casual players.
if it was only in the store some people could complain that they couldn’t afford it this month for whatever reason or that they would rather have a way to earn the skin in game and this shuns those that don’t have much disposable income.
this allows someone to have a chance for 5 minutes of play
technically it still is most in favor of those that have the most time/grinders (but that will almost always be the case)

Do I think this system is perfect? No, but I can at least understand why they use it. I think this is a better system than it has been. It’s a lot easier to get these coffers than previous holiday events, and you technically don’t need to spend any real money or gold to get one (you just need to be lucky). And personally, I think I like this approach more than “big world boss has a 0.5% chance to drop a ticket, but only spawns every 2-3 hours, have fun!” or “you can only get this by rnd chance through the gem store.”

Once again this isn’t to go against the “we don’t want rnd chance in the future” or “we’d prefer to have some sort of challenge to get X item” which are both valid complaints.

you made some pretty valid points. I totally dislike the rng-approach, but I dont spend money and dont complain about not getting anything as I get how the system works.

As for selling the skins in the store and making less money….still not convinced on this as I somehow refuse to believe people are that stupid…then again, Anet has the numbers….

Also agree on this being better than lets say the fused weapons….at least you can get a “chance” much more easily. What I dont agree on is that it is better to “only” need to be lucky than to spend gold/gems or do “hard work/grind”….because I always prefer something to have a fixed amount of whatever it needs, so I can calculate it. Do I want to spend that amount, do I want to grind that much? If I actually do, then I’ll be able to get it…

IC ur point, you make a valid argument, however when someone spends hard earned cash, especially enough to buy a new game with whole new content and extended play time, then I think there should be a guarantee to get that ticket! Then to satisfy the ones who can’t afford a “RICH COFFER” can try to get the skins through one of the other sources.

Question for everyone, would you be more or less angry if they added Jade weapon skins to the gem store at the end of the event (July 9th) without announcing that they were going to do that ahead of time?

mtpelion.4562:

Question for everyone, would you be more or less angry if they added Jade weapon skins to the gem store at the end of the event (July 9th) without announcing that they were going to do that ahead of time?

Probably more, since that would more or less kitten over everyone that bought the boxes.

lordkrall.7241:

mtpelion.4562:

Question for everyone, would you be more or less angry if they added Jade weapon skins to the gem store at the end of the event (July 9th) without announcing that they were going to do that ahead of time?

Probably more, since that would more or less kitten over everyone that bought the boxes.

Right, which puts them in a difficult position to “fix” things now. The people who are angry would just be more angry while the people who are happy would either be more happy or no change.

Really though, they should have put the skins in the taffy vendor list. That way you can win the RNG gamble or save up taffy and buy them.

Red Storm.6430:

IC ur point, you make a valid argument, however when someone spends hard earned cash, especially enough to buy a new game with whole new content and extended play time, then I think there should be a guarantee to get that ticket! Then to satisfy the ones who can’t afford a “RICH COFFER” can try to get the skins through one of the other sources.

There is no NEED to get this skin. This skin doesnt make you a better player and this skin isnt. If you liket gambling you can buy RNG-boxes and be lucky. Things that drop only from these boxes are not interested to me and I don’t even going to consider wether or not I like these skins.- I havent looked at them and I dont b other. If a ticket drops for me from a regular coffer I will take a look and see if there is a skin I like.

Bottom line. Nobody is forcing you to get or open rng boxes.

6 tickets from 3250 Coffers here. I feel sorry for those who opened 3k coffers and got nothing. Oh RNG…

knives.6345:

Chief.5928:

kRiza krimos

Yea it gets like that when you’r used to get everything you want.

It has nothing to do with greed. RNG is just a terrible system as it creates an unfair playing field due to being completely based on random chance. If skins could be acquired through skill, say by winning tickets through the playing and winning of Dragon Ball matches or being a top 3 player x many times, it would be far more satisfying as you have stuff to look forward to that is achieveable if you put in a bit of effort and acquire skill.

RNG causes some people to get 3 weapon tickets after having acquired 25 boxes and others to have none after 500+ opened chests.

Because RNG is the only thing that balances out people with tons of time to play and people that get almost no time to play. Thanks to RNG – both have equal chances – take note of the word “chances” – to get the item.

Umm, no. Someone that can farm coffers 10 hours a day has a much better chance than someone that can farm them for 5 hours on the weekend. The afore mentioned will open many, many more coffers than the weekend guy.

Villious.8530:

knives.6345:

Chief.5928:

kRiza krimos

Yea it gets like that when you’r used to get everything you want.

It has nothing to do with greed. RNG is just a terrible system as it creates an unfair playing field due to being completely based on random chance. If skins could be acquired through skill, say by winning tickets through the playing and winning of Dragon Ball matches or being a top 3 player x many times, it would be far more satisfying as you have stuff to look forward to that is achieveable if you put in a bit of effort and acquire skill.

RNG causes some people to get 3 weapon tickets after having acquired 25 boxes and others to have none after 500+ opened chests.

Because RNG is the only thing that balances out people with tons of time to play and people that get almost no time to play. Thanks to RNG – both have equal chances – take note of the word “chances” – to get the item.

Umm, no. Someone that can farm coffers 10 hours a day has a much better chance than someone that can farm them for 5 hours on the weekend. The afore mentioned will open many, many more coffers than the weekend guy.

Except that the person that has farmed 10 hours a day now has DR and receives almost no boxes.

I’ve been farming the event for boxes, opening about 2k of them now and I have no ticket. My multiple friends who haven’t even logged in for a week got 5 boxes and already have their ticket.

Forneus.4930:

Wallace MacBix.2089:

“my long rant”

you made some pretty valid points. I totally dislike the rng-approach, but I dont spend money and dont complain about not getting anything as I get how the system works.

As for selling the skins in the store and making less money….still not convinced on this as I somehow refuse to believe people are that stupid…then again, Anet has the numbers….

First off thanks. I feel most times when I post a wall of text most people just gloss over.

Oh something I did forget, that can most likely support my assumption of “selling the skins in the store and making less money” We can trade gold to gems. Now, I’m not saying that everyone is rich in game, but people are saying that they opened thousands of chests off of the AH. There are people that grind/farm or people that make profits on the AH. Heck, I consider myself a somewhat casual player (though what’s casual for one person isn’t casual for another) and I have over 100 gold (again not much to some and a lot to others). Because we can convert gold to gems, a feature I really enjoy and appreciate. It is a way for people to send gold out of the game and keep inflation down (some items in gw1 were so valuable they became worth more than the max amount of money you could trade/carry).

This may be another reason that most skins are locked behind rnd chests. Sure, some would still spend real money on gems to get skins to either support Anet, they are saving gold for X reason, or they just don’t have that much yet. But 10 months into the game I’d wager a good number of people can afford to spend 20-30g (or whatever the current rate is right now for 800 gems) to get a skin. That would make Anet “lose” money. If you couldn’t buy things in the gem store with gold I could see them placing the skins for sale at a moderate price (~$20) and also keeping the rich coffers. But I’d rather be able to trade gold for gems (for everything else in the shop) than have the shop change and only allow real money.

Forneus.4930:

Also agree on this being better than lets say the fused weapons….at least you can get a “chance” much more easily. What I dont agree on is that it is better to “only” need to be lucky than to spend gold/gems or do “hard work/grind”….because I always prefer something to have a fixed amount of whatever it needs, so I can calculate it. Do I want to spend that amount, do I want to grind that much? If I actually do, then I’ll be able to get it…

I can agree with that too. It would be nice to have a set path in future events. Keep the rnd boxes, keep the store boxes, but throw something like the jawbreakers in for those that want to grind towards a goal instead of rnd chance. 5 jawbreakers = 1 ticket for example. If anything, that’d be my one complaint that the jawbreakers are pretty underutilized now. 100k taffy for 1 skin that drops frequently enough to drop the price to 14g on the AH. Right now it seems the jawbreakers are only there as a way to save space in your inventory.

Red Storm.6430:

IC ur point, you make a valid argument, however when someone spends hard earned cash, especially enough to buy a new game with whole new content and extended play time, then I think there should be a guarantee to get that ticket! Then to satisfy the ones who can’t afford a “RICH COFFER” can try to get the skins through one of the other sources.

That is a valid point. It does suck to spend $50 (heck I’d argue $20 is too much to spend on a skin compared to the 3-5 games you can get on a steam sale). I don’t mean to be rude, and I understand both sides of the argument. “You don’t need the skin/no one forced you to buy it” vs. “spending $X and getting nothing is a horrible thing for them to do”. I just happen to agree more with the former, just because of the way things were advertised.

I just try to compare it to a lotto ticket, when you buy something with a rnd chance and don’t win anything, well that’s what you paid for. It’s just that a lotto ticket/scratch off has more “excitement” as you wait for the numbers to be drawn/scratch off the ticket then double clicking a box.

mercury ranique.2170:

Red Storm.6430:

IC ur point, you make a valid argument, however when someone spends hard earned cash, especially enough to buy a new game with whole new content and extended play time, then I think there should be a guarantee to get that ticket! Then to satisfy the ones who can’t afford a “RICH COFFER” can try to get the skins through one of the other sources.

There is no NEED to get this skin. This skin doesnt make you a better player and this skin isnt. If you liket gambling you can buy RNG-boxes and be lucky. Things that drop only from these boxes are not interested to me and I don’t even going to consider wether or not I like these skins.- I havent looked at them and I dont b other. If a ticket drops for me from a regular coffer I will take a look and see if there is a skin I like.

Bottom line. Nobody is forcing you to get or open rng boxes.

I think ur missing the point as to why people buybskins in the 1st place. I personally buy stuff because I like them. I like the fact that I can personalize my character with cool stuff even though I can’t play GW2 24/7. However I like having the option to spend my hard earned cash to maintain a specific need. Now I don’t mind a little gamble, but there should be a tolerance put in place when it comes to people who actually spend money to help support GW in general. I have been playing GW since the beginning of GW1. In GW1 when I spent real money, I was satisfied, because I got what I wanted.

Villious.8530:

knives.6345:

Chief.5928:

kRiza krimos

Yea it gets like that when you’r used to get everything you want.

It has nothing to do with greed. RNG is just a terrible system as it creates an unfair playing field due to being completely based on random chance. If skins could be acquired through skill, say by winning tickets through the playing and winning of Dragon Ball matches or being a top 3 player x many times, it would be far more satisfying as you have stuff to look forward to that is achieveable if you put in a bit of effort and acquire skill.

RNG causes some people to get 3 weapon tickets after having acquired 25 boxes and others to have none after 500+ opened chests.

Because RNG is the only thing that balances out people with tons of time to play and people that get almost no time to play. Thanks to RNG – both have equal chances – take note of the word “chances” – to get the item.

Umm, no. Someone that can farm coffers 10 hours a day has a much better chance than someone that can farm them for 5 hours on the weekend. The afore mentioned will open many, many more coffers than the weekend guy.

While true that they get more chances. That’s 1 reason that the idea that I’ve seen a bunch of people suggest of “open X boxes and be guaranteed a chest” or the slightly different “have the prob increase the more boxes you open until you get a ticket” wouldn’t work. The people with more time would get their 1,3,5,10 tickets and those that don’t have as much time wouldn’t be as lucky. Sure some people are getting 3+ tickets, but they have an equal chance per box as someone who is only able to log 5 hours a week.

The person who has more time is always going to have some sort of advantage over the person who doesn’t. If something is challenging they have more time to try it/get good at it. If it requires X things to hand it, they will have more time to gather said things. And Anet does at least provide things for the people that don’t have that much time (the helm for fireworks and the achievement wings).

I understand why Anet are doing this whole RNG thing but how many freakin coffers do I gotta get to get one?? With every event I have had not nearly enough problems obtaining some sort of momentum of the event. But I am farming Coffers and selling all my stuff to buy others. I wish there was a system where if someone opened a certain threshold of items at a timed event like this we could get it…Like after a couple of thousand if I get none cant anet be even more awesome and give me one? haha In the mean time I have obtained a good 75 minis and FOUND 5 Holowings…really? kitten it all I just want a single ticket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

How many have other people opened before they got their first one?

15 pages and growing…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Opening-1000-regular-Dragon-Coffers-Merged/first#post2193751

inb4 the rainbow alliance arrives and tells you off for ‘complaining and whining.’

My husband opened 4100 before getting one. I opened about 600.

There are already several threads on this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/1000x-Dragon-Coffer-s-opened-youtube
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Opening-1000-Dragon-Coffers
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/So-about-that-ticket-2100-later
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Opening-1000-regular-Dragon-Coffers-Merged

(and others I’m sure)

swiftpaw.6397:

inb4 the rainbow alliance arrives and tells you off for ‘complaining and whining.’

I know it sounds like I am complaining but I am lucky to have found 5 wings! I am really happy about that haha I just wish I could get a single ticket instead of wings :P

Idk guys, I’m just farm world boss this time and got 4 ticket about 300 > 400 coffe.

Agree totally with Wallace above. I see why Anet does it this way. I generates good income which keeps the company going. The problem by just putting the skins in the gemstore is that many people would just convert their in-game gold to gems and get them that way, which looses money.
I do agree though that the rich coffers chance should be higher. I spent $100 on rich coffers and received 2 tickets. I new going into it that the chance was low but that was my choice. I have been fortunate since then to receive another 5 tickets from about 2500 regular coffers. So my overall suggestion would be:

1. Increase the drop rate in the rich coffers by 5-10%
2. Keep the regular coffers the way they are and drop the same way they do now.
3. Be able to buy a ticket with a certain amount of candy or jawbreakers. Say like 10-20 jawbreakers.

Do this for all future events and such. This gives people options to choose how to proceed.
Again I have been very lucky this event. I feel for those that have opened so many and received nothing. Not sure how some one can open 2000 and more and receive nothing. I average 1 every 500.

Hotshoot.9564:

swiftpaw.6397:

inb4 the rainbow alliance arrives and tells you off for ‘complaining and whining.’

I know it sounds like I am complaining but I am lucky to have found 5 wings! I am really happy about that haha I just wish I could get a single ticket instead of wings :P

WOW, 5 sets of wings o.o That is lucky!

(And feel free to send me any of your extra minis )

Hotshoot.9564:

How many have other people opened before they got their first one?

2 from 100 rich coffers and 5 from about 2500 normal coffers.

Took many people 2k+ to get a ticket, though a lot of people have gotten them within the 1k range. Keep trying, don’t give up yet, there is plenty of time left.

Evon Skyfyre.9673:

Bought 80 coffers, used my thief with +100% magic find, got another ticket. Some will deny it, I think it helped. Or they adjusted it in todays update.

It’s not that “some” deny it, it’s that a dev (or somebody else from Anet) explicitely said that MF doesn’t have any effect on anything else than drops from mobs.

Hubby got one last night, I know he hasn’t opened many or bought any (he picked the one handed sword), whereas I’ve bought over 500 and farmed a ton and gotten no tickets. It’s all rng. I’m happy for him, but still wish I could just buy the skin I want in the gem store like the wintersday weapons.

Hotshoot.9564:

swiftpaw.6397:

inb4 the rainbow alliance arrives and tells you off for ‘complaining and whining.’

I know it sounds like I am complaining but I am lucky to have found 5 wings! I am really happy about that haha I just wish I could get a single ticket instead of wings :P

I stopped counting at 3k, with no ticket, think Iv’e opened around 200 or so since , no luck here either. 5 wings man…. All I got was the regular crap and 26 minis haha. Mind I made about 10g forging them.. but lost about 30 hours+ of my time grinding.

stop while you still can my only advice XD

Zanshin.5379:

Evon Skyfyre.9673:

Bought 80 coffers, used my thief with +100% magic find, got another ticket. Some will deny it, I think it helped. Or they adjusted it in todays update.

It’s not that “some” deny it, it’s that a dev (or somebody else from Anet) explicitely said that MF doesn’t have any effect on anything else than drops from mobs.

Yeah I believe it is just luck. I have not MF on my Ele and have gotten 7 tickets so, again I think it all comes down to sheer luck.

LOL yep nasty ain’t it? Got my first at 2600, my second at 2700 & my third at 3000. But at least we have those coffers dropping like mad & helps to increase our odds if that makes an difference =\ I am up too about 4000 at the moment so no luck since my third & lord knows if I even score any more… Best of luck to you and everyone having trouble getting a ticket! I feel your pain since I never got kitten from the supply crates, kitten karka’s.

hmm… i keep buying mine in 5g/10g(150-400 coffer) batches; but im not sure how many batches ive actually bought; quite a few… i kept telling myself id stop if i got a ticked… but i got one early… and then i just wanted moar (i got a second ticket recently; but i want 4or 5 of the skins now)

i actually like this rng; the… sample size? you can obtain is massive; which makes it more fun imo

… ive been playing since headstart (2k+ hours last i checked… no life all over); no precursor; but that will make it so much sweeter when i do find one (if i find one… and its not crap…)

I’m averaging about 1 ticket per 1k coffers
I went on a massive (regular) dragon coffer buying spree a couple days ago…. ended up getting 10 of those risen knights, candy, and fireworks out of 700 coffers. i kept selling the extras and buying more. Ended up having only enough silver for 50 more, and ended up getting another ticket!

Random Weirdness.6750:

I’m averaging about 1 ticket per 1k coffers
I went on a massive (regular) dragon coffer buying spree a couple days ago…. ended up getting 10 of those risen knights, candy, and fireworks out of 700 coffers. i kept selling the extras and buying more. Ended up having only enough silver for 50 more, and ended up getting another ticket!

ive been MFing the holo knights; theres so many i dont see them rising in price for ages; and got a few rare minis out of it (wish id done it back when they were rare though)

I opened a couple thousands then gave up. But yesterday I had 4 from drop and opened them and got a weapon ticket.

Red Storm.6430:

mercury ranique.2170:

Red Storm.6430:

IC ur point, you make a valid argument, however when someone spends hard earned cash, especially enough to buy a new game with whole new content and extended play time, then I think there should be a guarantee to get that ticket! Then to satisfy the ones who can’t afford a “RICH COFFER” can try to get the skins through one of the other sources.

There is no NEED to get this skin. This skin doesnt make you a better player and this skin isnt. If you liket gambling you can buy RNG-boxes and be lucky. Things that drop only from these boxes are not interested to me and I don’t even going to consider wether or not I like these skins.- I havent looked at them and I dont b other. If a ticket drops for me from a regular coffer I will take a look and see if there is a skin I like.

Bottom line. Nobody is forcing you to get or open rng boxes.

I think ur missing the point as to why people buybskins in the 1st place. I personally buy stuff because I like them. I like the fact that I can personalize my character with cool stuff even though I can’t play GW2 24/7. However I like having the option to spend my hard earned cash to maintain a specific need. Now I don’t mind a little gamble, but there should be a tolerance put in place when it comes to people who actually spend money to help support GW in general. I have been playing GW since the beginning of GW1. In GW1 when I spent real money, I was satisfied, because I got what I wanted.

If you want to buy skins thewre are a lot of specifick skins available in the gemstore that you can buy direct. Both temporary offers as permanent ones.

My point is that some people keep complaining bout the RNG-boxes. If you dont like them, then dont buy them. If nobody buys them Arenanet will stop. If people keep buying them, apperently people like them, so there is no reason for arenanet to stop. But some people just keep on crying bout a simple commercial effect.

bought 250 coffers off the TP, got a ticket on my 94th. I’ve opened almost all of the ones I’ve gotten in the open world (and you get like 25 after doing an event chain with massive amounts of mobs like Arah) and got junk and a bunch of minis, but now it seemed luck was on my side.

Finally got my first ticket after 2500+ regular coffers….