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http://t.co/ySZzM1xq3K/s/HUsz

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3aug92/datamining_upcoming_features_from_the_june_22/

[&AgEUEQEAAA==] Ascended Warhorn
[&C7EXAAA=] Warhorn
(Even comes in Ascended version like the other Elite Specialization weapons)

Thoughts on this???

God please no.

It’s just a datamine they have always done it doesn’t mean we will be getting a warhorn. It’s just a skin. You would be looking for something suggesting skills with a sword or whatever. My guess is they aren’t in the game at all because they know that_shaman is really good at datamining the content. So, I wouldn’t place any money that you will see anything hinting at what Tempest or any other specialization is in this patch. They probably have place holders in there anyway.

I know we’re eventually going to get more Elite Specializations in the future, but I’d actually stop playing Ele for awhile over this.

We NEED a real melee weapon and dagger (in PvE) is pretty much used for 3 abilities. Focus does the majority of the work. Scepter is only good with the Focus AND a Lightning hammer build.

I’d at least like more options where we need them, not where we’re good. Offhands are fine. They fill everything they need to and then some. Especially be ticked off now that they released the perfect sword for my Ele (the Gallant one).9

There are 6 weapons with “ascended” prefix in that datamine and they all are connected to elite specs:

Ascended Longbow → Dragonhunter
Ascended Shield → Chronomancer
Ascended Greatsword → Reaper
Ascended Warhorn → ???
Ascended Staff → Druid
Ascended Hammer → Engineer spec

So most probably, we will have another 3 elite specs released soon and those specs will be a druid, an engineer spec and some spec with a warhorn. That can be a thief, a revenanat or an ele (warrior already has warhorn skills). Out of those, only an ele had datamined sword (not confirmed) so I would put my money on a thief spec.

I already made Bolt and Account Bound it with my thief, so I sure as hell hope not. To be honest a warhorn Ele sounds really really really lame. Since a whole bunch of clearly elementalist sword skills were datamined, Sword seems not just a little but SIGNIFICANTLY more likely than warhorn. I just don’t see what extra a warhorn could possibly bring to the table.

Thief has a new artwork with a melee staff, the leaked weapon is a melee staff, and the leaked shield seems to be Glint-theme, and Glint will probably be Revenant’s elite spec.

That being said, the warhorn’s skin fits very well with ele’s leaked artwork.

that_shaman also datamined a picture of a Thief with what looks like a Staff, so I doubt that thief will get a warhorn. Though it would also be weird for two elite specs to get the same new weapon (Ranger and Thief) so I really don’t know.

If warrior didn’t already have warhorn, I would’ve said the warhorn would be the new warrior spec. that_shaman datamined a placeholder picture for a specialization called “Berserker.” This would fit in well with the warrior, and with the RL theme of Viking berserkers using warhorns. But, again, warrior already has warhorn, so NOPE. Which leaves the Ele.

I really hope Ele doesn’t get warhorn. That would be incredibly lame. I mean, I never had high expectations about Tempest’s mechanics/playstyle to begin with, but I at least expected it to have a cool weapon like a sword.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Thief has a new artwork with a melee staff, the leaked weapon is a melee staff, and the leaked shield seems to be Glint-theme, and Glint will probably be Revenant’s elite spec.

That being said, the warhorn’s skin fits very well with ele’s leaked artwork.

Do you have a picture of the warhorn? I’m at work and can’t use chat codes :p

Glenstorm.4059:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Thief has a new artwork with a melee staff, the leaked weapon is a melee staff, and the leaked shield seems to be Glint-theme, and Glint will probably be Revenant’s elite spec.

That being said, the warhorn’s skin fits very well with ele’s leaked artwork.

Do you have a picture of the warhorn? I’m at work and can’t use chat codes :p

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/194819/gw092.jpg

Torch have no animation of flame at this moment. Have heads of bear, wolf, hawk. Imo it is item for ranger. One of the concepts was including those 3 animals. It can be also no related to elite spec item.

Warhorn have wind/water texture, bright thingy.

ronpierce.2760:

Glenstorm.4059:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Thief has a new artwork with a melee staff, the leaked weapon is a melee staff, and the leaked shield seems to be Glint-theme, and Glint will probably be Revenant’s elite spec.

That being said, the warhorn’s skin fits very well with ele’s leaked artwork.

Do you have a picture of the warhorn? I’m at work and can’t use chat codes :p

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/194819/gw092.jpg

Thank you.

D’: Looks like we’re getting warhorn…kitten .

EDIT: So, if this is true, it means that in order to be able to craft each Ascended weapon, Elementalists will have to max out Artificer, Weaponsmith, AND Huntsman….in addition to Tailor for armor.

GG, Anet.

Oh yes!!! I WOULD LOVE Ele to get Warhorn! Much better than a kitten y sword.

Granted I’m biased because I have the legendary warhorn howler, and I’ve been kinda kittened for a while that necromancer is a horrible class, so I’ll finally have another class to use warhorn with!

You guys need to stop being so negative and realize how happy this could make me!

Mem no Fushia.7604:

Torch have no animation of flame at this moment. Have heads of bear, wolf, hawk. Imo it is item for ranger. One of the concepts was including those 3 animals. It can be also no related to elite spec item.

Warhorn have wind/water texture, bright thingy.

The thing that makes me believe this will be for Elementalist (other than theme) is that it has a standard version and an Ascended version, as all of the weapons do that are tied to an Elite specialization, while the torch and that spikey staff do not.

The reaper’s sword is there, the Mesmer’s shield is there, Guardian’s Longbow (etc) and both have a standard and ascended version.

nearlight.3064:

Oh yes!!! I WOULD LOVE Ele to get Warhorn! Much better than a kitten y sword.

Granted I’m biased because I have the legendary warhorn howler, and I’ve been kinda kittened for a while that necromancer is a horrible class, so I’ll finally have another class to use warhorn with!

You guys need to stop being so negative and realize how happy this could make me!

So it’s good because it makes you happy no matter how it’s bad for the class? How about the people that would be unhappy about getting a warhorn? Should those be happy because you’ll be able to use your legendary? How about the people who got bolt so they could use it on ele?

Gosh i hope not. Warhorns are for warriors, eles should get something like ranged-sword or dual scepters.

Laraley.7695:

nearlight.3064:

Oh yes!!! I WOULD LOVE Ele to get Warhorn! Much better than a kitten y sword.

Granted I’m biased because I have the legendary warhorn howler, and I’ve been kinda kittened for a while that necromancer is a horrible class, so I’ll finally have another class to use warhorn with!

You guys need to stop being so negative and realize how happy this could make me!

So it’s good because it makes you happy no matter how it’s bad for the class? How about the people that would be unhappy about getting a warhorn? Should those be happy because you’ll be able to use your legendary? How about the people who got bolt so they could use it on ele?

You need to chill. I’m sorry that you are so distressed by the thought of warhorn, since warhorns are awesome. Still I’ll explain my point in actual detail.

How would a warhorn be bad for elementalist? We have no idea what its skills could be like. I was personally struggling to see how a sword would bring drastically new gameplay to the Elementalist over the existing mainhaind weapons, so I felt like a new offhand would be best for the class because it would honestly give eles a bit more options than focus if zerk or OH dagger if celestial. I mean everyone I talked to basically hoped that sword would either be a burst weapon like scepter of variable range, or melee weapon with evades and mobility, like the current dagger to an extent, but with maybe extra blocks. I don’t think we need a new weapon for extra blocks.

The warhorn could fulfill a role that focus and dagger couldn’t. As to what that is, we donn’t know yet, but I feel like meaningful group support/CC would be likely, as the current offhands take a more 1 dimensional damage or defensive role, with slight smatterings of CC and support mixed in.

The thing about howler is that it makes me on a personal, subjective level, quite happy. I’m sure the people with bolt will be fine, because they can use it on 6 out of the 9 (including revenant) classes, as opposed to warhorn which is currently 3 out of 9, and potentially 4 out of 9 with tempest. I’m just saying that not everyone would hate a warhorn for the elementalist, and its far from a bad thing for the class. I mean mesmers only got 2 new weapon skills on a shield they will almost never take over torch in pvp, and they are far from complaining about it, yet its still a nice addition because its a good option in WvW for them. The warhorn will likewise open up a previously unexplored nice, such as cleaving with reaper, long range with guard, and huge group play with chrono, those classes were woefully deficient in that regard before their elite specs were revealed.

Here’s my reasoning for why I believe we are indeed getting warhorn…as much as I LOATHE the idea:

1. http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3aug92/datamining_upcoming_features_from_the_june_22/ that_shaman datamined several new “Ascended” weapons: longbow, greatsword, shield, warhorn, and hammer.

2. The first three correspond to the weapons confirmed to belong to the three revealed elite specs: Dragonhunter, Reaper and Chronomancer. In addition, although I haven’t confirmed this myself, their in-game skins look exactly like the skins portrayed in the artwork for those three specs.

3. From the HoT trailer, we know Engineer will get hammer, and Ranger will get staff.

4. This leaves Thief, Warrior, Revenant and Elementalist.

5. From the same link, that_shaman has datamined a picture of a Thief specialization that shows a Thief holding what apepars to be a (melee?) staff. This is weird because Ranger is already getting a staff. It could be another weapon that happens to have a long stock/barrel (rifle?). At any rate, it does NOT look like a warhorn.

6. Warrior can already use warhorns.

7. We have next to no information about the Revenant’s elite spec.

8. From ronpierce’s picture above, the new warhorn has an air/wind motif.

9. By process of elimination, Tempest gets warhorn.

:’(

Look at this spec artwork not yet available in-game, which we might assume it’ll be for tempet’s spec:
http://i.imgur.com/AoGISvd.png

Then compare the ocean wave’s theme with the warhorn skin (same theme).

EDIT Also, the leaked staff is the same as portrayed in the thief’s artwork, and the leaked shield is NOT chronomancer’s (it has a glint-esque theme, so it’ll probably be for the revenant).

Has the prospect of more than one weapon with an elite spec been completely put to death? I’m really not sure, but I don’t see why it has. Also, is main hand warhorn completely out of the question for warrior? Say a tactician or something who punches for an Autoattack? I’m not gonna deny that it was probably poor decision making to make and bind Bolt without any certainty, but I’m definitely not alone in having done that for Tempest. This is something a lot of the community thought really had the potential to bring something new to the table for ele’s, and warhorn just can’t accomplish as much. At best it will be similar to Focus. Beyond that, the feedback on this thread is overwhelmingly negative towards the idea of Warhorn Ele. In addition to all of this, as I’ve said before, there are already datamined sword skills. It’s plenty possible that those have been removed and were just a work in progress. They definitely have a history of trashing work in progress – but isn’t it more likely that they’re making an ascended version of EVERY one of the weapons, and just haven’t finished the others yet? They can’t use every weapon in giving out weapons to elite specs, so it’s plenty possible that warhorn was done, and was made loosely on the concept of an elite spec despite the fact that NO elite spec is getting a warhorn.

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Its a ranged burst weapon. Its not trash, it fulfills that role very well. As to whether burst ele is even viable at varying levels of play, thats another story, but the weapon does fulfill that role. Most of the reasons that scepter fresh air isn’t viable at high levels are due to relatively poor damage mitigation, mobility, disengage, team fight utility compared to a mesmer, thief, or medi guard, and none of those are the scepter’s fault because the damage is totally there.

Similarly the mesmer scepter isn’t trash either, its a great weapon for condition or even phantasm builds. Likewise, those condition builds aren’t viable at high levels of play, but thats not because the weapon is trash.

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Its a ranged burst weapon. Its not trash, it fulfills that role very well. As to whether burst ele is even viable at varying levels of play, thats another story, but the weapon does fulfill that role. Most of the reasons that scepter fresh air isn’t viable at high levels are due to relatively poor damage mitigation, mobility, disengage, team fight utility compared to a mesmer, thief, or medi guard, and none of those are the scepter’s fault because the damage is totally there.

Similarly the mesmer scepter isn’t trash either, its a great weapon for condition or even phantasm builds. Likewise, those condition builds aren’t viable at high levels of play, but thats not because the weapon is trash.

Let me rephrase it:
Scepter is trash.

It’s not a good weapon, it depends on one trait way too much. It plays some role in condi builds, but those are not viable either. Most of the AA’s are just so bad it makes me cry, many useless skills. The only role it fullfils is the fact it’s ranged, that’s it. If it wasn’t for fresh air, no one would pick up the weapon for burst ele.

Ele desperately needs another mainhand weapon, that would be burst and help with mobility and disengage (teleports, we), not some kitten warhorn that will give kids something to play with for 10 minutes.

Lauriewonnacott.9841:

Has the prospect of more than one weapon with an elite spec been completely put to death? I’m really not sure, but I don’t see why it has. Also, is main hand warhorn completely out of the question for warrior? Say a tactician or something who punches for an Autoattack? I’m not gonna deny that it was probably poor decision making to make and bind Bolt without any certainty, but I’m definitely not alone in having done that for Tempest. This is something a lot of the community thought really had the potential to bring something new to the table for ele’s, and warhorn just can’t accomplish as much. At best it will be similar to Focus. Beyond that, the feedback on this thread is overwhelmingly negative towards the idea of Warhorn Ele. In addition to all of this, as I’ve said before, there are already datamined sword skills. It’s plenty possible that those have been removed and were just a work in progress. They definitely have a history of trashing work in progress – but isn’t it more likely that they’re making an ascended version of EVERY one of the weapons, and just haven’t finished the others yet? They can’t use every weapon in giving out weapons to elite specs, so it’s plenty possible that warhorn was done, and was made loosely on the concept of an elite spec despite the fact that NO elite spec is getting a warhorn.

Like I said with Laraley, I don’t see a reason why warhorn would be bad. It has arguably more potential to open up new playstyles than a sword does, given the established role of dagger. we just have to wait and see really.

So wait.. you made bolt specifically for Tempest getting a sword, and have no plans to use it on any other character? Like I said, 6/9 classes can use sword since revenant will get it too, unless you only play ele and the warhorn specualation turns out to be true, you will be sad, other than that I don’t feel bad for you at all.

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Mostly ditto for mesmers too.

Mesmers had 2 main hand weapons, 2 two hand weapons, and 4 (pistol, sword, torch, focus) off hand weapons and they got another off hand weapon.

Still they said that classes getting only an off hand would be compensated in some way. Chronomancer are compensated by insane versatility of the new F5 and other nice mechanics (much more interesting than dragon hunter and reaper even with much fewer skill).

Ele can hope for something more unique because of this. Still even an off hand is a lot of skills on ele.

KngGilgamesh.3481:

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Mostly ditto for mesmers too.

Mesmers had 2 main hand weapons, 2 two hand weapons, and 4 (pistol, sword, torch, focus) off hand weapons and they got another off hand weapon.

Still they said that classes getting only an off hand would be compensated in some way. Chronomancer are compensated by insane versatility of the new F5 and other nice mechanics (much more interesting than dragon hunter and reaper even with much fewer skill).

Ele can hope for something more unique because of this. Still even an off hand is a lot of skills on ele.

Yeah, I agree. Although sword on mesmer is really good. I guess it would be beneficial for the diversity of the game to add some mainhand weapon, but what can you do. But hey sword is good on mesmer, thief, warrior…so I’m hoping for a sword and if not sword, possibly another mainhand weapon. I just don’t want any offhands.

If it’s a warhorn I will be seriously upset. That literally would make me just want to delete the character as it’s just stupid.

Yes, I know, we know nothing about the spec, I don’t care. I hate warhorns on all the professions I think they’re a stupid weapon all around

Laraley.7695:

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Its a ranged burst weapon. Its not trash, it fulfills that role very well. As to whether burst ele is even viable at varying levels of play, thats another story, but the weapon does fulfill that role. Most of the reasons that scepter fresh air isn’t viable at high levels are due to relatively poor damage mitigation, mobility, disengage, team fight utility compared to a mesmer, thief, or medi guard, and none of those are the scepter’s fault because the damage is totally there.

Similarly the mesmer scepter isn’t trash either, its a great weapon for condition or even phantasm builds. Likewise, those condition builds aren’t viable at high levels of play, but thats not because the weapon is trash.

Let me rephrase it:
Scepter is trash.

It’s not a good weapon, it depends on one trait way too much. It plays some role in condi builds, but those are not viable either. Most of the AA’s are just so bad it makes me cry, many useless skills. The only role it fullfils is the fact it’s ranged, that’s it. If it wasn’t for fresh air, no one would pick up the weapon for burst ele.

Ele desperately needs another mainhand weapon, that would be burst and help with mobility and disengage (teleports, we), not some kitten warhorn that will give kids something to play with for 10 minutes.

The devs want to use the new weapons to give the existing classes new options on a playstyle that they lacked, as I explained by looking at the known elite spec weapons. Scepter is burst. Would a sword really be able to give a viable burst build that didn’t fall into the same problems as scepter? That would honestly depend more on changes to utilities and class mechanics than the weapon skills. The warhorn may have potential to open up uplaystyles that aren’t burst or pure cele sustain. It could be a condition weapon for all we know. It probably won’t be, but still, since dedicated condi builds were probably the thing that ele lacked the most, a condition based weapon is a likely possibility, and even sword could have been that.

And ele doesn’t desperately need a new mainhand. The necro desperately need cleave, it got cleave in the GS/RS, the guardian needed long range, it got that, and the mesmer needed more utility in zergplay, and the shield does that for them. The scepter is fine for what it does. Do you think mesmer GS auto is some OP attack that you can just spam without using the actual burst damage skills? The point of most ranged burst builds is high burst damage but low sustained damage, which is how mesmer, and fresh air ele are balanced. If scepter’s autos were “good” then the weapon would be too strong. Power ranger sorta breaks that rule, but they have so many other issues I see no problem with this.

Any sword based burst spec would have to be overwhelmingly similar to medi guard or thief to be viable, unelss they went completely outside the box with it, and I don’t think the devs want to make the new spec weapons overly similar to existing builds on other classes.

And to all of you upset on this thread: If you don’t want to use it, don’t. You’re not forced to use the new weapon with the elite spec, its just a new option if you want it. Across all classes, many builds will use the elite spec traitline with existing weapons, because theres far more to the elite spec than the new weapon.

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

robertul.3679:

So what ele doesn’t need a new offhand?

Did mesmer really need a new offhand given that it has sword, focus, torch, pistol? All good in various situations. Meanwhile the only viable mainhand is the sword.

At least ele has scepter which is a lot better than mesmer scepter. And dagger which is very strong.

Scepter is trash.

Its a ranged burst weapon. Its not trash, it fulfills that role very well. As to whether burst ele is even viable at varying levels of play, thats another story, but the weapon does fulfill that role. Most of the reasons that scepter fresh air isn’t viable at high levels are due to relatively poor damage mitigation, mobility, disengage, team fight utility compared to a mesmer, thief, or medi guard, and none of those are the scepter’s fault because the damage is totally there.

Similarly the mesmer scepter isn’t trash either, its a great weapon for condition or even phantasm builds. Likewise, those condition builds aren’t viable at high levels of play, but thats not because the weapon is trash.

Let me rephrase it:
Scepter is trash.

It’s not a good weapon, it depends on one trait way too much. It plays some role in condi builds, but those are not viable either. Most of the AA’s are just so bad it makes me cry, many useless skills. The only role it fullfils is the fact it’s ranged, that’s it. If it wasn’t for fresh air, no one would pick up the weapon for burst ele.

Ele desperately needs another mainhand weapon, that would be burst and help with mobility and disengage (teleports, we), not some kitten warhorn that will give kids something to play with for 10 minutes.

The devs want to use the new weapons to give the existing classes new options on a playstyle that they lacked, as I explained by looking at the known elite spec weapons. Scepter is burst. Would a sword really be able to give a viable burst build that didn’t fall into the same problems as scepter? That would honestly depend more on changes to utilities and class mechanics than the weapon skills. The warhorn may have potential to open up uplaystyles that aren’t burst or pure cele sustain. It could be a condition weapon for all we know. It probably won’t be, but still, since dedicated condi builds were probably the thing that ele lacked the most, a condition based weapon is a likely possibility, and even sword could have been that.

And ele doesn’t desperately need a new mainhand. The necro desperately need cleave, it got cleave in the GS/RS, the guardian needed long range, it got that, and the mesmer needed more utility in zergplay, and the shield does that for them. The scepter is fine for what it does. Do you think mesmer GS auto is some OP attack that you can just spam without using the actual burst damage skills? The point of most ranged burst builds is high burst damage but low sustained damage, which is how mesmer, and fresh air ele are balanced. If scepter’s autos were “good” then the weapon would be too strong. Power ranger sorta breaks that rule, but they have so many other issues I see no problem with this.

Any sword based burst spec would have to be overwhelmingly similar to medi guard or thief to be viable, unelss they went completely outside the box with it, and I don’t think the devs want to make the new spec weapons overly similar to existing builds on other classes.

And to all of you upset on this thread: If you don’t want to use it, don’t. You’re not forced to use the new weapon with the elite spec, its just a new option if you want it. Across all classes, many builds will use the elite spec traitline with existing weapons, because theres far more to the elite spec than the new weapon.

What could sword give ele? Oh, I don’t know. How about a viable burst spec.

Honey, you don’t even know if you’re getting warhorn, so stop telling people what to/not to use. I really doubt it will be warhorn, for the sake of the class.

Mesmer is balanced about having low sustained damage? Yes, sure.

Laraley.7695:

What could sword give ele? Oh, I don’t know. How about a viable burst spec.

Honey, you don’t even know if you’re getting warhorn, so stop telling people what to/not to use. I really doubt it will be warhorn, for the sake of the class.

Mesmer is balanced about having low sustained damage? Yes, sure.

And you don’t even know if you’re getting sword. At this point the evidence from datmines pointing to each weapon is at least equal.

Have you played mesmer, ever, in a dungeon? It has the worst sustained DPS in the game. Its alleviated by speccing into phantasms that are easily destroyed by any non faceroll boss in pve, and several that are faceroll.

The GS has horrible autoattack damage. Most of the the actual damage it does is from fire/air procs. The skills that mesmer relies on to actually do damage are considered to be burst, because you have to sync them up to be effective. Elementalist lightning whip is good sustained damage, while skills like burning speed are considered burst, but aren’t the crux of your damage source like mind wrack, mirror blade, mind stab, and izerker are.

You don’t understand the difference between sustained and burst damage if you think mesmer has high sustained damage, because its literally all burst in pvp.

AND like I said, if sword had a viable burst spec it would most likely be viable due to new traits and utilities, not the weapon per se. For all we know a scepter air/water/tempest build could be the best burst build in the game. It probably won’t be, but considering the weapon has the best theoretical burst damage in the game, I wouldn’t put it past the point of impossibility.

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

What could sword give ele? Oh, I don’t know. How about a viable burst spec.

Honey, you don’t even know if you’re getting warhorn, so stop telling people what to/not to use. I really doubt it will be warhorn, for the sake of the class.

Mesmer is balanced about having low sustained damage? Yes, sure.

And you don’t even know if you’re getting sword. At this point the evidence from datmines pointing to each weapon is at least equal.

Have you played mesmer, ever, in a dungeon? It has the worst sustained DPS in the game. Its alleviated by speccing into phantasms that are easily destroyed by any non faceroll boss in pve, and several that are faceroll.

The GS has horrible autoattack damage. Most of the the actual damage it does is from fire/air procs. The skills that mesmer relies on to actually do damage are considered to be burst, because you have to sync them up to be effective. Elementalist lightning whip is good sustained damage, while skills like burning speed are considered burst, but aren’t the crux of your damage source like mind wrack, mirror blade, mind stab, and izerker are.

You don’t understand the difference between sustained and burst damage if you think mesmer has high sustained damage, because its literally all burst in pvp.

AND like I said, if sword had a viable burst spec it would most likely be viable due to new traits and utilities, not the weapon per se. For all we know a scepter air/water/tempest build could be the best burst build in the game. It probably won’t be, but considering the weapon has the best theoretical burst damage in the game, I wouldn’t put it past the point of impossibility.

You’re comparing mesmer damage in pve and fresh air in pvp? faceplam

Yes, mesmer damage comes mainly from procs, but compare gs and sword. GS hits way harder and it’s still more sustained damage than fresh air that will hit a few hundreds per tick in air.

Fresh air is not going to be viable since it has way less damage than mesmers and thieves. Its damage is actually similar to what it was pre patch.

Laraley.7695:

nearlight.3064:

Laraley.7695:

What could sword give ele? Oh, I don’t know. How about a viable burst spec.

Honey, you don’t even know if you’re getting warhorn, so stop telling people what to/not to use. I really doubt it will be warhorn, for the sake of the class.

Mesmer is balanced about having low sustained damage? Yes, sure.

And you don’t even know if you’re getting sword. At this point the evidence from datmines pointing to each weapon is at least equal.

Have you played mesmer, ever, in a dungeon? It has the worst sustained DPS in the game. Its alleviated by speccing into phantasms that are easily destroyed by any non faceroll boss in pve, and several that are faceroll.

The GS has horrible autoattack damage. Most of the the actual damage it does is from fire/air procs. The skills that mesmer relies on to actually do damage are considered to be burst, because you have to sync them up to be effective. Elementalist lightning whip is good sustained damage, while skills like burning speed are considered burst, but aren’t the crux of your damage source like mind wrack, mirror blade, mind stab, and izerker are.

You don’t understand the difference between sustained and burst damage if you think mesmer has high sustained damage, because its literally all burst in pvp.

AND like I said, if sword had a viable burst spec it would most likely be viable due to new traits and utilities, not the weapon per se. For all we know a scepter air/water/tempest build could be the best burst build in the game. It probably won’t be, but considering the weapon has the best theoretical burst damage in the game, I wouldn’t put it past the point of impossibility.

You’re comparing mesmer damage in pve and fresh air in pvp? faceplam

Yes, mesmer damage comes mainly from procs, but compare gs and sword. GS hits way harder and it’s still more sustained damage than fresh air that will hit a few hundreds per tick in air.

Fresh air is not going to be viable since it has way less damage than mesmers and thieves. Its damage is actually similar to what it was pre patch.

I wasn’t comparing them directly, I was just using it to illustrate my point taht mesmer is balanced around having low sustained damage. But I guess who ever screams louder on these forums wins the argument, so its useless debating this issue even further, because at the end of the day, this whole thread is just a moot point.

I hope it isn’t a warhorn. I’d be really disappointed in it. I might be interested in the trait line if it’s good, but I like any of the warhorn skins.

Sick thread…I’d rather delete my close to 4k hours ele than take a warhorn as main offhand, as a matter of fact I’d just say CYA it has been a pleasure. Only the idea of getting another off hand makes me cringe…

We need burst not more support/condi…seriously warhorn..what a sick joke, at this point I’d rather pick a pistol or axe..anything but a freaking warhorn.

OH MY GOD!!!! Not another one of these threads….

Dude, seriously, I sure as hell hope that if these type of rumors are meant for ANET to test the waters of the concept of warhorn for the elementalist they realize it is a HORRIBLE idea and scratch that before even showing such a train wreck!

In all seriousness, warhorn on the elementalist is such a terrible idea that if it happened it would remove any doubt regarding the absolute lack of capacity of the people responsible for the elementalist…. currently we hope that is not the case, but if it is a warhorn there will be no hope, only certainty it IS the case.

Warhorn would offer nothing – let me phrase that better – NOTHING worthwhile or new for the elementalist. Let’s analyze shall we?

- Group utility: With the amount of group utility we have from other trait lines this is absolutely unnecessary. We can give 4 types of boons simply through elemental attunement, we have a plethora of heals with water. We can share our auras with our allies. Warhorn would be simply more of the same if it followed this course and if the concern is we don’t offer much to the group, buff the other trait options and do not bring more of the same to the table.

- Offensive: An offensive option would be terrible. Why? Simple, we would have two options – main hand scepter (generally bad weapon without defensive mechanics that crucially needs a defensive OH) or main hand dagger (close range weapon that, again, needs a defensive mechanic to survive close range).

- Defensive: So basically focus 2.0? Or more likely focus v0.5….

And to not be left unsaid, if it brings a mix of defense and offense, like dagger, we have what? A dagger again….

On the other hand, main hand sword. Heck if it was even the possibility of wielding the sword in MH and in OH, we could have a lot of burst / agile inclusions to the class that would help to bring the “storm” concept to the table and not just more of the same again which the warhorn would do.

Many hints seem in fact pointing to Warhorn. I can hardly think of a worse choice.

If that’s really what ArenaNet is going for, I will be seriously upset, probably to the point of dropping the class I enjoyed since lauch.
A single target, burst damage melee weapon like Sword would have been amazing and would have filled an important missing role for the class.
But a lame off-hand? Please, just please, no…

@Alesthes calm down. The warhorn could literally have any skills, and its pointless saying that it would offer nothing good. Heck most of the people for necro/guard/mes don’t plan on using the new weapons because they’re content with the ones they already have for their purposes.

Are you going to reply to every one of us?
We are all upset for good reasons. Sword main hand is something people wanted for ages, long before HoT was even announced. You don’t get it, fine, ok. But it’s seriously borderline patronizing this notion that after the 10th person worried and upset by this possibility you still think you are the only one getting it right. Maybe, just maybe, they actually have reasons and you are missing something. Let’s say that by now I would consider at least the possibility…

nearlight.3064:

Lauriewonnacott.9841:

Has the prospect of more than one weapon with an elite spec been completely put to death? I’m really not sure, but I don’t see why it has. Also, is main hand warhorn completely out of the question for warrior? Say a tactician or something who punches for an Autoattack? I’m not gonna deny that it was probably poor decision making to make and bind Bolt without any certainty, but I’m definitely not alone in having done that for Tempest. This is something a lot of the community thought really had the potential to bring something new to the table for ele’s, and warhorn just can’t accomplish as much. At best it will be similar to Focus. Beyond that, the feedback on this thread is overwhelmingly negative towards the idea of Warhorn Ele. In addition to all of this, as I’ve said before, there are already datamined sword skills. It’s plenty possible that those have been removed and were just a work in progress. They definitely have a history of trashing work in progress – but isn’t it more likely that they’re making an ascended version of EVERY one of the weapons, and just haven’t finished the others yet? They can’t use every weapon in giving out weapons to elite specs, so it’s plenty possible that warhorn was done, and was made loosely on the concept of an elite spec despite the fact that NO elite spec is getting a warhorn.

Like I said with Laraley, I don’t see a reason why warhorn would be bad. It has arguably more potential to open up new playstyles than a sword does, given the established role of dagger. we just have to wait and see really.

So wait.. you made bolt specifically for Tempest getting a sword, and have no plans to use it on any other character? Like I said, 6/9 classes can use sword since revenant will get it too, unless you only play ele and the warhorn specualation turns out to be true, you will be sad, other than that I don’t feel bad for you at all.

I play Ele main, but since I bound it, obviously I do have characters to play it on – that doesn’t mean that was my intention. The problem is that if there is no sword I’m gonna keep using staff. The argument that Warhorn could make more difference than sword is totally bunk. For starters, sword would give us 3 new skills per attunement and warhorn 2. The argument for the comparison of Dagger to Sword is also pointless, because you can make the exact same argument about focus compared to a warhorn. Dagger itself isn’t even as good a weapon as it’s made out to be. It’s fallen way out of favor recently for staff. On top of all that, dagger it’s even a “true” melee weapon. The only way that warhorn could make a significant difference is if it complements and synergizes with a new way to build ele, and sword can achieve the same thing.

If it’s a lame warhorn… going to put the ele in park and come back to gw2 when they do something else with the ele… Offhand not needed when dagger and focus off hands are in great places…

My reaction to ele possibly getting warhorn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9J5tYShNY8

Nikkinella.8254:

My reaction to ele possibly getting warhorn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9J5tYShNY8

Insanely accurate. Same reaction of 99% of the community.

I would really hope ele could get a short bow

If we are indeed getting warhorn, we’d better also get a significant F skill change like Contiuum Shift or the Reaper’s revamped Shroud. The “having more skills” thing is just an excuse because our skills are individually weaker and have long cool downs.

Still hoping it’s not warhorn though, unlikely as that may be :’(

Thematically, Warhorn fits Tempest wonderfully if Tempest ends up being what it sounds like it might based on the name (and even the datamined image). Which is a spec based around storms and wild destruction. I can definitely picture a stormcaller type skillset using Warhorn. It could very well end up being a situation like the devs described with Mesmer, where they originally were considering one type of weapon but felt that another one fit the theme better and switched it (hence the datamined sword skills, which were extremely simplistic anyway and thus probably not that far along).

Heck, that type of moveset is perhaps the only one I could ever see becoming a mainhand warhorn. Who knows. We’ve already potentially got two melee staffs (if the Thief one turns out true) and a ranged hammer on the way, so the devs certainly seem to be on somewhat of a role-breaking kick. Maybe tossing an offhand into a mainhand role could be one of those role breaks as well.

Even if it is just an offhand, as far as the idea of an offhand not adding anything to the profession… that would depend entirely on the skills. Of course sword gives you more skills total, and I’m sure for the most part every single profession is always going to want a mainhand / 2H over an offhand for that reason alone. But it could still be interesting and worthwhile, plus there’s the whole “professions that get an offhand will get other cool stuff to compensate” idea to consider.

give all ele the ability to unbind their bolt if were getting warhorn and call it a day

I would not put my money on ele getting other cool stuff to compensate getting a lame OH weapon.

Sure we could have a big shift with it being a main hand weapon to be another “breaking expectations”, but I still would prefer the tempest is not a storm caller but a tornado in itself.

they cant do main hand because foci/warhorn have less base damage than main hand 1h weps. so unless they plan on making a big change for us (lolololololol) it would be offhand

OneKlicKill.4285:

they cant do main hand because foci/warhorn have less base damage than main hand 1h weps. so unless they plan on making a big change for us (lolololololol) it would be offhand

That can be easily solved by compensating on the skill base damage.