Guild Wars 2

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean, Chronomancer also got an offhand and the shield skills seem pretty good.

It’s not so much about getting an offhand weapon per se, it’s about said offhand being the warhorn.

Mesmer+Shield is just in a completely different league, in that it always had the potential to be good (imo anyways).

skullfaerie.7203:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean, Chronomancer also got an offhand and the shield skills seem pretty good.

It’s not so much about getting an offhand weapon per se, it’s about said offhand being the warhorn.

Mesmer+Shield is just in a completely different league, in that it always had the potential to be good (imo anyways).

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Warhorn has potential as another option for AoE, I would believe. Offhand Dagger doesn’t really give much in the way of damaging multiple targets at once, and focus doesn’t do any of that at all unless you count the fire field. Basically, Warhorn could give an option for AoE without locking 1-3 weapon skills to what Staff has.

Or, it could not. Goodbye, Ele with Jormag’s Breath.

I’m so so sad… :_(

This is a crime against aesthetics.

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Warhorn has the worst skins, the legendary is broken for 2 years now and every (?) single animation is blowing a horn. In other words, it’s the worst offhand there is.

Kadsik.9281:

and that was alot of them.

Source?

In all seriousness though, elementalist is my 2nd main and I welcome the warhorn, knowing that it will bring 8 new weapon skills (I’m assuming ele’s will be able to swap attunement with it). Ultimately, perhaps 12 would have been too many if sword was the new weapon, especially as some classes, such as the mesmer shield, will only have two new weapon skills.

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And I saw a lot of things since first gw2 beta.

If the warhorn is DPS and ranged AOE based i will use it. What warhorn really needs is some spice! With all current warhorn skills there is no diversity in animation all skills pop an effect and thats it. its like a sigent skill as a weapon. If some creativity goes into how the skills are used it could be cool. an evade or port could help spice up the skill set. if all 8 skills use the same animation and just blow into the horn i will be upset haha.

Not to read too much into the artwork, but where’s the mainhand weapon?

Empty mainhand? Warhorn a two handed weapon?

rotten.9753:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Warhorn has the worst skins, the legendary is broken for 2 years now and every (?) single animation is blowing a horn. In other words, it’s the worst offhand there is.

So it’s pure aesthetics rather than mechanics? If people don’t like the skins then that’s nothing that can be truly discussed as its an opinion.

Animations can be added though, I mean look at Mesmer greatsword and Revenant staff.

as with most above, i’m actually quite glad it’s warhorn, as it fits well with an idea of a Tempest/Stormcaller motif

biggest problem is the subpar ranged mainhand option we have
mainhand warhorn would have been fun though…….
but being forced into melee range just to use an offhand weapon is more than just a bit of a disappointment

Scepter is almost complete trash at its given max range
only thing it’s ever used for is fresh air bursts which pretty much requires phoenix at melee range
dagger has a range to it, but it’s also rarely ever seen at anything further than absolute melee

if they tweak scepter autos to make them noticeable in a fight, merge air 2 and 3, add a new one, turn dust devil into something threatening, then make shatterstone worth casting, then, sure, by all means, go ahead and add another offhand

Well, I hope we won’t have to blow. I could forgive the skins if we were given the ability to fly, like Storm.

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean yeah but as I noted warhorn will give an additional 8 skills because of elementalist element attunement swapping (which effectively makes warhorn give more skills to ele than greatsword to necro, shield to mesmer, and longbow to guardian)

The number of skills is irrelevant. I don’t care if the new Tempest thing was a single attunement ever and you only ever got 3 skills out of it or whatever.

The issue is that we already have amazing Offhand weapon choices that are great and each offer their own competitive advantages. What we DO lack is competitive alternatives for the main hand weapons which is why most people these days are all Dagger/X now after they killed Scepter burst builds with FA/BtTH both being Grandmaster.

In the current scenario there’s only two possible outcomes:

1. The Warhorn is brokenly OP to the point it outshines our already amazing options and it becomes mandatory as the offhand option thus rendering the other good options pointless.

2. The Warhorn is some kinda off-the-wall idea that ultimately is less useful than the already amazing options.

Understand that ultimately none of this is really a problem. Again we already have amazing options in everything but our main hand weapons. It’s like complaining we’re too rich and have to manage all this money…poor us. It’s simply disappointing because there’s very real gaps and very real areas for improvement that could be made and instead they choose to give us more of something we already have.

Zalladi.4652:

Kadsik.9281:

and that was alot of them.

Source?

In all seriousness though, elementalist is my 2nd main and I welcome the warhorn, knowing that it will bring 8 new weapon skills (I’m assuming ele’s will be able to swap attunement with it). Ultimately, perhaps 12 would have been too many if sword was the new weapon, especially as some classes, such as the mesmer shield, will only have two new weapon skills.

They’ve said something along the lines of not every elite spec is equal. Those that don’t get more skills probably have more changes to their class ability. And sword would have been better. Warhorn is useless (unless they somehow made it main hand instead).

Conncept.7638:

Welp, looks like we’re getting the warhorn after all. I was rooting for the sword personally.

Lame. I also wanted sword, I had made gift of lightning tenatively for bolt, there goes that idea. I’m pretty disappointed. Offhands are junk, I’ll just keep using staff. Why care about an offhand when I dislike both of our main hand options? Not to mention offhands have the longest cd for skills.

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

To summarize why as concisely as possible: It blows. Or, well… that’s how it’s used anyways.

skullmount.1758:

Warhorn is useless (unless they somehow made it main hand instead).

We can’t make claims like that until we have seen the blog and the livestream at the end of the week. So if, after the blog and livestream, the skills are mediocre, then yes we can call it useless.

It just makes me frown a little whenever I see people making assumptions about things they haven’t seen the details for yet.

My Ele is a female human wearing next to no clothing as armor. Now to complete my theme I can finally get the zodiac rooster war horn.

My howler and voluptuous Norn elementalist are ready.

Maugetarr.6823:

Not to read too much into the artwork, but where’s the mainhand weapon?

Empty mainhand? Warhorn a two handed weapon?

Pretty sure Mesmer picture didn’t have a main hand in the picture either.

Yea I sure hope it has AOE like Ring of Fire, Fire Wall, Fire Grab, Comet, Updraft, Earthquake or Churning Earth. Maybe it’ll have some defensive cool downs like Frost Aura, Cleansing Wave, Magnetic Wave or Obsidian Flesh. Or it could have some boon stacking like Area Might and Fury with a bunch of blast Finishers? Ooo oo maybe even some mobility like Ride the Lightning!

/eyeroll

I hope the Utilities are Mantras.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Sekai.2987:

well , gj at kittening it up anet , cant belive we get such a useless piece of kitten , majority of ppl i talked to wanted the sword so bad and new we get that junk

and not to mention that fantasy wise it would make more sense that an ele can create a sword from fire or lighting to fight and a kittening warhorn belongs to the warriors , who the kitten thinks of a warhorn when you talk about elementalists

i was looking so much forward to the new weapon and new we get that junk , im incredible dissapointed and i think you have made a huge mistake anet

i simply lost any to motivation to play ele at all, guess i will spend my time on thief/mes from now on

Oh, you already know what weapon skills and utility skills the Tempest Specialisation will get? Please share us your inside knowledge!

He doesn’t have to know exactly, he already knows they’ll have 25s+ cooldowns. Every offhand skill has longer cooldowns than main hand or 2 hand weapons.

Plus offhand dagger and focus are already really good for offhands. But scepter is trash for anything but stacking might, and MH dagger is mediocre outside of small scale PVP because it’s not really a melee weapon (staff does more damage than dagger because both are considered ranged weapons where for most classes, a true melee weapon is their hardest hitting weapon)

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

skullfaerie.7203:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean, Chronomancer also got an offhand and the shield skills seem pretty good.

It’s not so much about getting an offhand weapon per se, it’s about said offhand being the warhorn.

Mesmer+Shield is just in a completely different league, in that it always had the potential to be good (imo anyways).

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Well for now – All Warhorn skills on All classes are pretty lack luster and do not seem very viable, apart from the shoutbow warrior using a WH.

For me Id say that the WH is so limited in what it can do (apply wind to WH) about it – call birds, blast finisher, buff, (all of these the ele already has with the standard set of skills – may be not the bird but they can already summon Elemental beings to fight for them) So what is it exactly adding to the class?

IMO they could have given the ele like the sword or a combat staff (even if they already have a ranged staff) that would have been more creative or inspiring. a WH feels kinda Meh.

skullmount.1758:

Maugetarr.6823:

Not to read too much into the artwork, but where’s the mainhand weapon?

Empty mainhand? Warhorn a two handed weapon?

Pretty sure Mesmer picture didn’t have a main hand in the picture either.

Well, mesmer’s was (mostly) out of the picture. But that’s why I qualified it as trying not to read too much into it.

Fade.1743:

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Regardless, this is going to have to do a lot to change the meta. If it doesn’t provide a Fire field, then Scepter will be completely useless with Warhorn. So, either we get a Dagger/Focus or Dagger/Warhorn…and even then…dagger was so nerfed by the loss of Bolt to the Heart while Staff gained SO much from the specializations.
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What exactly did staff gain? Only thing I can thing of thats really different is baselined blast trait (radius one).

FrizzFreston.5290:

MattyP.6954:

How about you guys actually, you know, play the content before you declare it DoA? Seriously, Ele will probably get sword in a future specialization—so just wait to see what Warhorn actually does before getting all kitteny about it.

I can’t wait for the second elite specialisation of elementalists to be offhand scepter.

Still a better weapon/idea than getting warhorn…

MyPuppy.8970:

I’m so so sad… :_(

This is a crime against aesthetics.

As a fellow Fashion hunter i feel your pain.

Want to look good in my mmo R P G !!!
is that soo much to ask! (and yes none of the WarHorn skins look anygood at all!)

Kodiak.3281:

Yea I sure hope it has AOE like Ring of Fire, Fire Wall, Fire Grab, Comet, Updraft, Earthquake or Churning Earth. Maybe it’ll have some defensive cool downs like Frost Aura, Cleansing Wave, Magnetic Wave or Obsidian Flesh. Or it could have some boon stacking like Area Might and Fury with a bunch of blast Finishers? Ooo oo maybe even some mobility like Ride the Lightning!

/eyeroll

I hope the Utilities are Mantras.

Pretty sure everything but your dream for mantras was a troll.

Treeoflife.4031:

If the warhorn is DPS and ranged AOE based i will use it. What warhorn really needs is some spice! With all current warhorn skills there is no diversity in animation all skills pop an effect and thats it. its like a sigent skill as a weapon. If some creativity goes into how the skills are used it could be cool. an evade or port could help spice up the skill set. if all 8 skills use the same animation and just blow into the horn i will be upset haha.

how would it compete if it is direct damage based and ranged? staff has that covered and so do the fire skills for scepter.

zorokai.1486:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

skullfaerie.7203:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean, Chronomancer also got an offhand and the shield skills seem pretty good.

It’s not so much about getting an offhand weapon per se, it’s about said offhand being the warhorn.

Mesmer+Shield is just in a completely different league, in that it always had the potential to be good (imo anyways).

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Well for now – All Warhorn skills on All classes are pretty lack luster and do not seem very viable, apart from the shoutbow warrior using a WH.

For me Id say that the WH is so limited in what it can do (apply wind to WH) about it – call birds, blast finisher, buff, (all of these the ele already has with the standard set of skills – may be not the bird but they can already summon Elemental beings to fight for them) So what is it exactly adding to the class?

IMO they could have given the ele like the sword or a combat staff (even if they already have a ranged staff) that would have been more creative or inspiring. a WH feels kinda Meh.

Locust swarm on necromancer is an amazing skill, it’s probably the fastest form of life force generation the necromancer has in a teamfight.

Meanwhile the ranger warhorn gives group support in pve. The shoutbow warhorn trait was actually nerfed for being too strong.

So clearly you don’t play these other classes if you think their warhorn skills suck.

Really not impressed by something that will in the many puns that are now going around “blow”, I know myself as an ele player and many other ele players, that sword would have been much more appreciated for the class and would have complemented it more as the reason being that the legendary sword would have looked nice on an ele. But yea meh warhorn I really don’t see the value or niche of a warhorn atleast I know one elite spec I won’t be using.

rotten.9753:

Drayos.8759:

we’re still one of the top pvp proffessions in the game, that hasnt changed so stop doomsaying this entire thing.

How’s that revelant? Since defensive spec is OP in pvp cannot we even hope for a bursty spec?

The argument so far has been “but you can use the tempest w/o the freaking warhorn.” How exactly does is that relevant to the fact that the warhorn is competing against a very good focus and our main hand weapons sucks, i do not know.

sniperman.1738:

Really not impressed by something that will in the many puns that are now going around “blow”, I know myself as an ele player and many other ele players, that sword would have been much more appreciated for the class and would have complemented it more as the reason being that the legendary sword would have looked nice on an ele. But yea meh warhorn I really don’t see the value or niche of a warhorn atleast I know one elite spec I won’t be using.

You have no idea what the skills are, the change to the class mechanic or anything besides the weapon type and you have made a judgement saying you dont see its value or anything and it blows? welll…ok…

Mightybird.6034:

Yall realize IF we got sword we would have gotten 4 AAs very very similar to daggger I mean you can’t make it better than dagger, can’t give it MORE range than dagger OR less (a sword with less range than a dagger? can you imagine the complaints), can’t give it better dps (or why use dagger) …. see what I mean? edit only legit thing I guess is a bit more burst, still if it was hands down more burst it’d be like scepter melee….no thx

I suppose it could be a ranged sword and compete with scepter? But scepter is already kind of niche… SO that means we would have gotten 8 skills (2×4 since autoattacks would be like the same as daggers on sword) anyway. Same amount as warhorn.

Sure sword could have been a different melee choice…but dagger is already very good and balanced. Sword AAs at least, likely would have been disapointing.

HOPEFULLY with war-horn they will be more powerful than 2 and 3 than the one we would have gotten on sword.

That seems rather narrow minded at thinking about an Ele with a sword – Why not give it a Full on melee fight style – make it so you enchant your weapon to your element – giving off status effects or something like that.

Use the Zealot’s defense animation on the ele for another blade attack. even similar attacks as the Dagger would have been INFINITELY better than any 8 skills on the WH.

Id make it so the Sword is shorter than the dagger (well normal range as all other sword wielders, so same as the warrior). I mean the daggers are kind of like a mobile mini projectile-ish weapon, what i mean is, you don’t physically use the daggers to hit, but that can be the case for the sword??

Might be a new way for an ele to fight?

^ was gonna say he forgot necro. But that aside, as he and many have previously brought up: what does the WH add to the ele indeed? Never mind that they are a complete eyesore.

Anet also said classes that just get an offhand also get something else with their spec to make it cool as well.

If you dont like warhorn for its looks fair enough but just assuming the weapon is going to suck before knowing anything about the spec or its skills is a bit….yeah…just going to wait till friday to see if this is something which can be good instead of being whiny about it.

I’m excited about the warhorn. Reminds me of Stormcaller from GW1!! EPIC!

Conncept.7638:

RoseofGilead.8907:

I was also hoping for sword, but warhorn goes better with the Tempest name than sword does. Oh well, hopefully it’ll be a neat specialization.

Yeah as much as I wanted a sword, have to admit that thematically the warhorn fits better. Just hope it isn’t yet more bunker/support skills with insanely disproportionate cooldowns, we have enough of that crap already.

you can say that again

So practically confirmed ele will be getting warhorn but why all the fuss? Sure eles wanted a cleave wepon but considering how much aoe you already have thats not the most prevalent thing they need. Theyll also be geting 8 weapon skills in total all which shall be quite powerful considering they’re your 4 and 5s. Finally fits a lot more thematically the idea of calling down storms with warhorns.

Sigmoid.7082:

sniperman.1738:

Really not impressed by something that will in the many puns that are now going around “blow”, I know myself as an ele player and many other ele players, that sword would have been much more appreciated for the class and would have complemented it more as the reason being that the legendary sword would have looked nice on an ele. But yea meh warhorn I really don’t see the value or niche of a warhorn atleast I know one elite spec I won’t be using.

You have no idea what the skills are, the change to the class mechanic or anything besides the weapon type and you have made a judgement saying you dont see its value or anything and it blows? welll…ok…

A lot of people simply don’t like the look of the warhorn. It can have the greatest god-stats in the world, but if it looks like crap I won’t be using it.

johnnystorm.2954:

Conncept.7638:

RoseofGilead.8907:

I was also hoping for sword, but warhorn goes better with the Tempest name than sword does. Oh well, hopefully it’ll be a neat specialization.

Yeah as much as I wanted a sword, have to admit that thematically the warhorn fits better. Just hope it isn’t yet more bunker/support skills with insanely disproportionate cooldowns, we have enough of that crap already.

you can say that again

because tempest is a storm and the warhorn is a storm caller?

Ayrilana.1396:

He’s just upset because he wanted to use a sword like Gandalf.

Let’s be honest, who didn’t want that?

From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak, I fought him, the Balrog of Morgoth. Until at last, I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.

Zalladi.4652:

skullmount.1758:

Warhorn is useless (unless they somehow made it main hand instead).

We can’t make claims like that until we have seen the blog and the livestream at the end of the week. So if, after the blog and livestream, the skills are mediocre, then yes we can call it useless.

It just makes me frown a little whenever I see people making assumptions about things they haven’t seen the details for yet.

It’s not that people think warhorn skills are bad – it’s bad because Elementalists already have two outstanding off-hands in the dagger and focus. They didn’t need or want another offhand.

I was thinking instead of adding another attunement (like F5) perhaps taking the Tempest traitline and/or warhorn could change the auto attacks of the main hand weapon. This means both scepter and dagger would get full auto attack chains creating better synergy between the main-hand and off-hand weapons!

nearlight.3064:

zorokai.1486:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

skullfaerie.7203:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

I mean, Chronomancer also got an offhand and the shield skills seem pretty good.

It’s not so much about getting an offhand weapon per se, it’s about said offhand being the warhorn.

Mesmer+Shield is just in a completely different league, in that it always had the potential to be good (imo anyways).

I’m just confused as to why precisely warhorn would be worse? We don’t know its skills? Ele could use it entirely differently from other profs? I don’t get why it’s inherently inferior?

Well for now – All Warhorn skills on All classes are pretty lack luster and do not seem very viable, apart from the shoutbow warrior using a WH.

For me Id say that the WH is so limited in what it can do (apply wind to WH) about it – call birds, blast finisher, buff, (all of these the ele already has with the standard set of skills – may be not the bird but they can already summon Elemental beings to fight for them) So what is it exactly adding to the class?

IMO they could have given the ele like the sword or a combat staff (even if they already have a ranged staff) that would have been more creative or inspiring. a WH feels kinda Meh.

Locust swarm on necromancer is an amazing skill, it’s probably the fastest form of life force generation the necromancer has in a teamfight.

Meanwhile the ranger warhorn gives group support in pve. The shoutbow warhorn trait was actually nerfed for being too strong.

So clearly you don’t play these other classes if you think their warhorn skills suck.

True I dont main A ranger or a Necro, but even I have noticed how bad the Warhorn skills are.

Sigh, yea great group support – still pretty useless, does it clean conditions? No.is it better than say the warriors one… No… also Pve, thats the easiest content in the whole game, hardly fair to judge a weapons viability because it does OK in pve. everything does OK in pve.

Necro on the otherhand – its again ok – all you do is blow on it (same old animations – not looking promising for the ele) – it only helps you so in theory your horn is busted if only you get effected (troll)- Id say the necro one comes close to the being ok like the warriors, i mean it does daze/interrupt apart from that, not much more.

My point still stands that MOST WARHORNs are pretty useless compared to their other available weapon choices. The WarHorn is stil llimited in what it can do , and animation wise what else can it do but get “blown into”? still a very Meh weapon to be given to any class.

Heart Attunement or bust

McNinja.5417:

It’s not that people think warhorn skills are bad – it’s bad because Elementalists already have two outstanding off-hands in the dagger and focus. They didn’t need or want another offhand.

Umm I’m an ele main and I don’t recall ever saying I didn’t need or want another offhand… why are you speaking for me?

“Elemental singularity” skills have been datamined, which give you a skill after you’ve been in an attunement for a few seconds. I’m speculating that these skills will replace your F-skill for an attunement when you’ve been in that attunement for a while.

I doubt we’re going to get another attunement.

I guess we wont be using it for raid… All main hand weapon have short range. Hopefully Tempest will be a staff thing mostly.

Glenstorm.4059:

“Elemental singularity” skills have been datamined, which give you a skill after you’ve been in an attunement for a few seconds. I’m speculating that these skills will replace your F-skill for an attunement when you’ve been in that attunement for a while.

I doubt we’re going to get another attunement.

This sounds interesting but if main-hand weapons don’t get tweaked a bit I feel like they will drag down the warhorn. Only time will tell though

Lyger.5429:

I was thinking instead of adding another attunement (like F5) perhaps taking the Tempest traitline and/or warhorn could change the auto attacks of the main hand weapon. This means both scepter and dagger would get full auto attack chains creating better synergy between the main-hand and off-hand weapons!

That’s what I concluded from the datamining. At this point, I assume we’ll get autoattack chains for each of our weapons when we trait into tempest. If we assume that an autoattack chain is 3 skills, we’re potentially getting three new skills per weapon and attunement, not even including the warhorn skills! I’m somewhat suspicious as to whether or not staff will be getting an autoattack chain, butI think it is very likely for dagger and probably scepter too.