Guild Wars 2

Reroll another class, the more engineers that do that hopefully will show them enough data that they need an overhaul asap, not turret fixes not random kit refinement uselessness not grenade nerfs but real life fixes to their weapons..

And even if they don’t you’ll still feel better on a class that works..i personally had a engi i loved but i haven’t touched it in months..

P.s. I feel exactly the same way about dungeons, repetitive hassle for 60 tokens no thank you..

Dante.1508:

Reroll another class, the more engineers that do that hopefully will show them enough data that they need an overhaul asap, not turret fixes not grenade nerfs but real life fixes to their weapons..

And even if they don’t you’ll still feel better on a class that works..i personally had a engi i loved but i haven’t touched it in months..

Believe me I’ve tried. I hit content burnout at level forty with a ranger, and twenty-five with a thief. An entirely separate thread could be made on this issue, but the simple fact is that, at least to me, the leveling content in this game just isn’t fun after the first time though.

Clearly that idea of the zones feeling different and still being exciting each time you go through them because of dynamic events didn’t exactly work out as intended.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Dante.1508:

Reroll another class, the more engineers that do that hopefully will show them enough data that they need an overhaul asap, not turret fixes not grenade nerfs but real life fixes to their weapons..

And even if they don’t you’ll still feel better on a class that works..i personally had a engi i loved but i haven’t touched it in months..

Believe me I’ve tried. I hit content burnout at level forty with a ranger, and twenty-five with a thief. An entirely separate thread could be made on this issue, but the simple fact is that, at least to me, the leveling content in this game just isn’t fun after the first time though.

Clearly that idea of the zones feeling different and still being exciting each time you go through them because of dynamic events didn’t exactly work out as intended.

I leveled 10 characters to 80 and a few i deleted, i have noticed a huge disparity between the first four or so i leveled at GW2 opening to now, back then loot dropped freely and you leveled much faster now its a xp grind and loot is terrible in starter zones (except queensdale weirdly) all the way to 80 and you must constantly buy gear to continue, especially Ele, thief etc…
Sorry if a little off topic..but as stated i feel your pain..especially with Engi and to a lesser extent Ranger

Yeah well Arena Net, as wonderful as they can be at times, have a habit of screwing up their own games one way or another.

With the way they do effects on legendaries, I can imagine a legendary flame thrower would be spectacular

Actually I use a Rifle quite frequently as an engie, particularly in WvW, where I use it to stop people with a net, before switching to my kit. And in most of the open world, you really don’t “need” to use kits all the time. So you can certainly show off your rifle, if that’s what you want to do.

I’m not so sure that most engineers are as kitten off about this as you are. Then again, I’m not a big one for walking around with my legendary for everyone to see it. Mostly because I don’t care what other people think.

They’ll see it when they see it, and they won’t when they won’t. In fact, the second legendary I’m going for is an underwater weapon.

I’m not sure how many people this has really ruined the end game for, though apparently at least some of you are really upset about it.

Vayne.8563:

Actually I use a Rifle quite frequently as an engie, particularly in WvW, where I use it to stop people with a net, before switching to my kit. And in most of the open world, you really don’t “need” to use kits all the time. So you can certainly show off your rifle, if that’s what you want to do.

I’m not so sure that most engineers are as kitten off about this as you are. Then again, I’m not a big one for walking around with my legendary for everyone to see it. Mostly because I don’t care what other people think.

They’ll see it when they see it, and they won’t when they won’t. In fact, the second legendary I’m going for is an underwater weapon.

I’m not sure how many people this has really ruined the end game for, though apparently at least some of you are really upset about it.

Well I can say for a fact I’m not the only one making a fuss. And the situation is being exasperated a bit by Arena Net refusing to comment in spite of multiple threads, facebook posts, and tweets. Honestly would it kill them to say something? At this point even “tough luck, get over it” from an official source would be better than getting no word on the subject of any kind for nearly six months.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

Actually I use a Rifle quite frequently as an engie, particularly in WvW, where I use it to stop people with a net, before switching to my kit. And in most of the open world, you really don’t “need” to use kits all the time. So you can certainly show off your rifle, if that’s what you want to do.

I’m not so sure that most engineers are as kitten off about this as you are. Then again, I’m not a big one for walking around with my legendary for everyone to see it. Mostly because I don’t care what other people think.

They’ll see it when they see it, and they won’t when they won’t. In fact, the second legendary I’m going for is an underwater weapon.

I’m not sure how many people this has really ruined the end game for, though apparently at least some of you are really upset about it.

Well I can say for a fact I’m not the only one making a fuss. And the situation is being exasperated a bit by Arena Net refusing to comment in spite of multiple threads, facebook posts, and tweets. Honestly would it kill them to say something? At this point even “tough luck, get over it” from an official source would be better than getting no word on the subject of any kind for nearly six months.

Anet isn’t one person. It’s not like a guy you can go up to and ask a question. When something like this gets raised, there would have to be a meeting. There might be disagreement at the meeting. Maybe nothing is decided at the meeting. You’re talking about one profession, probably the least popular profession too, so at best engineers represent maybe 10% of the playerbase if that. Then you have to ask, how many of those people are actually going for a legendary? 50%? Unlikely. Most people won’t even look at a legendary it’s too hard.

So maybe 1-2% of the games population are engineers going for legendaries (just a random number, might or might not be more or less, but you get the idea).

Of those going for a legendary like me, it doesn’t bother me. So what percentage of the games population is this affecting that Anet needs to get together, having meetings, make decisions and come to the forum to let you know? Do you realize how many legit issues are brought up on these forums every day.

The fact is, Anet may be discussing this and may not have reached any decision at all, because it’s probably not high on there list if priorities. Jump over to the ranger and necro forums. There are people raging about those professions all the time, not just the legendaries. In fact, even the engineer, people are raging about balance and everything else.

Do you really think this is the question that’s going to be highest on Anet’s list of priorities? Cause I don’t.

I’m an eng and I have quip, and I think it’s fine. Yea, I’m in my kit maybe 90% of the time in pve and 60% of the time in wvw. It’s just kinda sad only grenade kit has some extra love from legendaries. Would be nice if all the other kit’s toolbelt skill also has some extra love, like a small nuclear bomb for pred and a jack in the box for quip for bomb kit.

Vayne.8563:

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So you’re telling me that Colin Johanson himself can pop into an obviously meaningless thread about a purely subjective problem one guy is having, and make a bad joke about a special NPC that appears and gives you a thumbs up when you hit max level, yet it is unreasonable to think that after months, and months of repeated threads, facebook posts, and tweets the multiple engineer players upset by this could get a simple “we are aware of your concerns?”

Give me a break. I’m not asking for a solution right this instant; I just want them to acknowledge the issue. Heck these guys will type paragraphs about mounts after saying hundreds of times that they are not putting them in, and yet they can’t take two seconds to type six words here. You can say I am overreacting if you want, but I find that both ridiculous and insulting.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

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So you’re telling me that Colin Johanson himself can pop into an obviously meaningless thread about a purely subjective problem one guy is having, and make a bad joke about a special NPC that appears and gives you a thumbs up when you hit max level, yet it is unreasonable to think that after months, and months of repeated threads, facebook posts, and tweets the multiple engineer players upset by this can’t get a simple “we are aware of your concerns?”

Give me a break. I’m not asking for a solution right this instant; I just want them to acknowledge the issue. Heck these guys will type paragraphs about mounts after saying hundreds of times that they are not putting them in, and yet they can’t take two seconds to type six words here. You can say I am overreacting if you want, but I find that both ridiculous and insulting.

I’m telling you Colin Johansen can say something like that, because it’s meaningless. What should he say if they just don’t know.

Hi guys, I know you’re looking for an answer but it’s too far down our list to even have a meeting about? Hi guys, just letting you know that we haven’t come to any conclusion at all about this and may not.

There’s nothing he can say without giving an expectation. Saying something off the cuff like he did affects nothing. Saying that we’re looking into something affects things.

They’re too completely different stories. How would you feel if he came on and said, sorry we have really important things to work on like ranger and necro balance, redoing dungeons for everyone. More new content.

Would that actually make you happier?

Yeah some of the ANet devs finally responded to the backlash for the lack of engineer weapon skins, mostly saying “Sorry we had to make choices and little time”, yet they chose to create another Greatsword skin using that time.

Engineers never see the weapons or backitems
and giving even less respect with the weapon skins.

it’s disgusting to see them churn out swords and greatswords, and they don’t have the nerve to address the lack of content for engineers. If they are inclined they usually tell us “tough luck” like they did on SAB.

Vayne.8563:

Would that actually make you happier?

Yes. Because then I could at least say they know there is at least a small percentage of their community having such issues, and that at least means that they might do something about it eventually. I’m no fool, I know this wouldn’t be a priority; I would just like, after months, to get at least a nod and a wave so I know they at least acknowledge people are upset.

But they may NEVER do something about it. That’s the truth. They may and they may not. So giving you that nod…it might not be the smartest thing to do. Now it may be on a list and they may never get to it anyway.

A few years ago, I was on a back surgery waiting list. I knew what number I was. But people who had emergencies would go before me. In the end, it took me 2.5 years to get back surgery. It didn’t help to know I was on the list, because my place on the list kept moving.

I assure you Anet knows of this of people are complaining about it. But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

penatbater.4710:

It’s just kinda sad only grenade kit has some extra love from legendaries.

The Grenade Kit is different if the Eng playing it uses a Legendary. Wow!

And yeah, a Legendary Flame Thrower would be awesome.

(p.s. Amazed this thread has lasted so long in the general Guild Wars 2 forum rather than being rapidly shunted out of sight to the Eng forum.)

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

Okay guy sits at his desk, maybe having a coffee, he’s reading the forums, relaxing, he makes a joke. He didn’t have a meeting to make the joke. There was nothing to be decided. Answering you has ZERO to do with someone on their down time making a joke.

Are you saying because he didn’t answer you,. he shouldn’t talk on the forums at all ever for any reason? Cause it sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

He can come on the forums and talk to anyone he chooses. What he can’t do is give you an answer he doesn’t have. I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Legendary kits… maybe bombs that laugh and explode in special effects?

Zenguy.6421:

(p.s. Amazed this thread has lasted so long in the general Guild Wars 2 forum rather than being rapidly shunted out of sight to the Eng forum.)

Please don’t give them any ideas….seriously….I’ve been trying to get attention for this issue for a long time.

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

Okay guy sits at his desk, maybe having a coffee, he’s reading the forums, relaxing, he makes a joke. He didn’t have a meeting to make the joke. There was nothing to be decided. Answering you has ZERO to do with someone on their down time making a joke.

Are you saying because he didn’t answer you,. he shouldn’t talk on the forums at all ever for any reason? Cause it sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

He can come on the forums and talk to anyone he chooses. What he can’t do is give you an answer he doesn’t have. I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Again I’m not asking for an answer. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Someone could pop in and post random gibberish and I’d be happy. Literally I’ll something to the effect of “ohuohugigjigfwue” and be done with it. I just want confirmation that they care enough to at least look at the freaking thread. Heck I don’t care if they even read it, just click the kitten link and post something.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

Okay guy sits at his desk, maybe having a coffee, he’s reading the forums, relaxing, he makes a joke. He didn’t have a meeting to make the joke. There was nothing to be decided. Answering you has ZERO to do with someone on their down time making a joke.

Are you saying because he didn’t answer you,. he shouldn’t talk on the forums at all ever for any reason? Cause it sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

He can come on the forums and talk to anyone he chooses. What he can’t do is give you an answer he doesn’t have. I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Again I’m not asking for an answer. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Someone could pop in and post random gibberish and I’d be happy. Literally I’ll something to the effect of “ohuohugigjigfwue” and be done with it. I just want confirmation that they care enough to at least look at the freaking thread. Heck I don’t care if they even read it, just click the kitten link and post something.

But you’re not the only person with a problem. You’ve admitted this yourself. And Anet can’t make a decision based on you. Once Anet says ANYTHING, anything at all, people will get the idea that they’re working on it, pretty much no matter what they say.

If they say they’re not working on it, well then that might kitten off other people. Just because you’d react one way doesn’t mean they’re going to base their policy of annoucing or answering things based on you.

What part of that don’t you understand?

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

Okay guy sits at his desk, maybe having a coffee, he’s reading the forums, relaxing, he makes a joke. He didn’t have a meeting to make the joke. There was nothing to be decided. Answering you has ZERO to do with someone on their down time making a joke.

Are you saying because he didn’t answer you,. he shouldn’t talk on the forums at all ever for any reason? Cause it sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

He can come on the forums and talk to anyone he chooses. What he can’t do is give you an answer he doesn’t have. I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Again I’m not asking for an answer. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Someone could pop in and post random gibberish and I’d be happy. Literally I’ll something to the effect of “ohuohugigjigfwue” and be done with it. I just want confirmation that they care enough to at least look at the freaking thread. Heck I don’t care if they even read it, just click the kitten link and post something.

But you’re not the only person with a problem. You’ve admitted this yourself. And Anet can’t make a decision based on you. Once Anet says ANYTHING, anything at all, people will get the idea that they’re working on it, pretty much no matter what they say.

If they say they’re not working on it, well then that might kitten off other people. Just because you’d react one way doesn’t mean they’re going to base their policy of annoucing or answering things based on you.

What part of that don’t you understand?

You say that almost like you think the good people at Arena Net are adverse to foot-in-mouth syndrome. As I recall there are times it appeared they were actually rather fond of it. Given the number of times they have upset people with their comments when it would have been better to say nothing your argument doesn’t really hold water.

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

Arkham Creed.7358:

Vayne.8563:

But if they took the time to meet and answer every complaint on the forums, think about how long it would take them to actually produce content.

Well they seem to be producing content at a nice pace in spite of taking time out to post bad jokes in random crap threads.

Okay guy sits at his desk, maybe having a coffee, he’s reading the forums, relaxing, he makes a joke. He didn’t have a meeting to make the joke. There was nothing to be decided. Answering you has ZERO to do with someone on their down time making a joke.

Are you saying because he didn’t answer you,. he shouldn’t talk on the forums at all ever for any reason? Cause it sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

He can come on the forums and talk to anyone he chooses. What he can’t do is give you an answer he doesn’t have. I’m not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.

Again I’m not asking for an answer. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Someone could pop in and post random gibberish and I’d be happy. Literally I’ll something to the effect of “ohuohugigjigfwue” and be done with it. I just want confirmation that they care enough to at least look at the freaking thread. Heck I don’t care if they even read it, just click the kitten link and post something.

But you’re not the only person with a problem. You’ve admitted this yourself. And Anet can’t make a decision based on you. Once Anet says ANYTHING, anything at all, people will get the idea that they’re working on it, pretty much no matter what they say.

If they say they’re not working on it, well then that might kitten off other people. Just because you’d react one way doesn’t mean they’re going to base their policy of annoucing or answering things based on you.

What part of that don’t you understand?

You say that almost like you think the good people at Arena Net are adverse to foot-in-mouth syndrome. As I recall there are times it appeared they were actually rather fond of it. Given the number of times they have upset people with their comments when it would have been better to say nothing your argument doesn’t really hold water.

Yes, exactly. Given the number of times they’ve said something to upset people,. there are bound to be other people, you know bosses, who say stop talking, you’re only making it worse. It’s BECAUSE of the reactions to pretty much anything they say that they don’t want to say anything.

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree and drop it. This thread has been derailed enough. And while I wouldn’t necessarily be adverse to constantly remaking it each time it gets locked just to force someone at Arena Net to pay attention, getting banned would be annoying.

But if I keep answering you, the thread stays to the top and people will see it. You see, I’m not saying you’re wrong for wanting this, I’m saying that no one at Anet is going to respond. If they did, they’d have to respond to dozens if not hundreds of other threads. It’s just not reasonable. Particularly if they don’t have a response, rendering whatever response they give meaningless.

I’m not actually against you in this. I’m just thinking it’s way down on their to do list.

I have an Engi which I love- she hit 80 about 2 weeks ago and I feel the lack of skins for engi’s very deeply.

Not that I am all eager to get a legendary but I can see that if you went through all the trouble to get one you at least want to see it.

I use Pistols, flame thrower and grenade kit. it would be great if an equipped legendary changes the skins on the kits ( someone mentioned that it does for the grenade kit?)- heck even just getting different skins as you level would make my day.

I don’t like Quip, I will never like Quip- while we are at it a nice pistol skin would be great- any skin, it does not even have to be Legendary, MF would be fine.

I’m going for the Predator, partly because I like the way it looks, mostly because I already have the precursor. lol

TC’s “problem” is one based entirely upon conjecture.

My main is engi and I don´t care about some shiny legendary, but I can understand that this is an issue for some – but how could that be solved? Making legendary versions of kits?

Actually I would like them to make our main-weapons worthwhile on their own, just like for every other class (which works in some parts of the game for pistols and shield paired with elixirs), but I don´t think they will ever do this.

What personally bothers me more though: ascended and legendary weapons with better stats – how would kits be affected? I doubt they will give all kits better base-stats which would be on par with ascended weapons.

Legendary kits is solution. I dream about FT what instead basic flame release some flame snake with dragon head:-)

Rozbuska.5263:

Legendary kits is solution. I dream about FT what instead basic flame release some flame snake with dragon head:-)

Legendary utility skills? No thanks.

I don’t play engineer but I see the problem. All the kits and stuff engineers have should be different when you equip a legendary weapon. Maybe some are already?

Also I personally wouldn’t even make a legendary for an engineer because:
The Predator – clearly made for warriors, it has a scope, engineers shoot from hip
The Flameseeker Prophecies – cool shield, but whoever made this had a guardian in mind
Quip – a joke

My main is an engineer, and I use pistols + turrets almost exclusively. I don’t know, I just don’t like the “feel” of kits right now. It does mean that I suck a bit at times.

Even as a pistolera, I am not currently pursuing getting a legendary; I just don’t like the look of it. If it was a cool steampunk gun in what I thought was the general engineer style, I’d probably go for it.

So, while not for me, I would appreciate if there were legendary versions of kits for those who use them; after all, other character classes that have a whole range of weapon skills available to them, automatically also have a range of possible legendaries to choose from.

Arkham Creed.7358:

And most haven’t even figured that out yet. I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase; kits.

I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase: Engineers are not the only ones with summoned weapons.

But I forgot … engineers are special and need special treatment.

Nretep.2564:

Arkham Creed.7358:

And most haven’t even figured that out yet. I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase; kits.

I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase: Engineers are not the only ones with summoned weapons.

But I forgot … engineers are special and need special treatment.

Do these other classes use summoned weapons up to 90% of the time? Do these other classes have more than 2 types of weapons available to them usually?

If the answer is “yes” to both these questions, then yes, engineers do deserve special treatment, as the limited weapon range they can use and kits being more than just a gimmick is exactly what defines the playing style of this class.

Nretep.2564:

Arkham Creed.7358:

And most haven’t even figured that out yet. I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase; kits.

I could rant and rave about it, again, but instead I’ll just cut right to the chase: Engineers are not the only ones with summoned weapons.

But I forgot … engineers are special and need special treatment.

Its true they aren’t the only ones with summoned weapons, but they are the class that utilizes them >80% of the time.

I’d be all for having different kit skins if a legendary is equipped, or if at all possible just have it still show (but stowed, so its on the back, but behind the kit backpack).
The only legendary I would ever try to get for either of my engi’s would be The Predator. Quip is just plain ugly and I would not want to be caught seen using it. Flameseeker is ok, but I usually never use a shield.

To listen to you guys talk, you’d think the engineer doesn’t even have weapon skills. I guess it’s “kits or go home”? An engineer not seeing his Legendary while in kits is no different than any other profession not seeing Legendary while weapon swapping to something else. You guys really are making a big deal of nothing.

darkace.8925:

To listen to you guys talk, you’d think the engineer doesn’t even have weapon skills. I guess it’s “kits or go home”? An engineer not seeing his Legendary while in kits is no different than any other profession not seeing Legendary while weapon swapping to something else. You guys really are making a big deal of nothing.

Except for Ele, Engineers are the only class who do not have weapon swap.
We have exactly 3 weapons to choose from.
Ele’s have many more that, they generally rely on attunement swaps not conjured weapons as a class mechanic.
Engineers rely on either kits/ nets to augment their weapons- Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Weapon swapping classes are more than free to craft a legendary for both sets. I am sure many have.

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

darkace.8925:

To listen to you guys talk, you’d think the engineer doesn’t even have weapon skills.

Actually I think that all the time when I´m on rifle . . . (unless I´m playing my Warrior of course)

“No weapong swaps” also makes many (most?) upgrades totally useless for engineers. And that’s fine, it’s fine that the different classes are different and facilitate different playing styles. But it also means that you can’t turn around and say “this is not a problem for my so-and-so, so I don’t see why it would be a problem for your engineer”. Err.

Morrigan.2809:

Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Once again, this is conjecture. Neither you, nor anyone else not an ArenaNet employee, can say with any credibility “most engineers hardly use their weapons”.

Morrigan.2809:

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

My level 80 engineer gets as much playtime as any of my other four characters.

darkace.8925:

Morrigan.2809:

Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Once again, this is conjecture. Neither you, nor anyone else not an ArenaNet employee, can say with any credibility “most engineers hardly use their weapons”.

Morrigan.2809:

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

My level 80 engineer gets as much playtime as any of my other four characters.

Let me clarify since from my entire post you choose to quote that.
When I say Hardly use their weapons I don’t mean I don’t use my pistols I do.

But if you look at the rest you will see I liken Engi kits to Ele attunements, so yes an Ele is hardly in one attunement all the time.

My pistols are one of my “weapon attunements”, my grenades and my flame thrower are the other “attunements”- so yes see it as weapon swap-

Other classes can craft a Legendary for their secondary set can they not?

I’m one of those rare Engineers that don’t do a lot with the kits. I prefer my p/p. Though I have to admit the thought of getting a bubble gun doesn’t really appeal to me.

Oofta.8036:

I’m one of those rare Engineers that don’t do a lot with the kits. I prefer my p/p. Though I have to admit the thought of getting a bubble gun doesn’t really appeal to me.

To be honest, the bubble gun would be funnier on a Thief. I wonder what Unload looks like with dual Quips.

But in case of Engineers, weapon kits do a lot of things better than our actual weapons. We get a lot more abilities if we use kits, than if we don’t. Even at best estmates, the average weapon/kit usage amongst most engineers would probably be 50/50. I know for a fact that my engineer, and two other guildies, spend more than 90% of the fights in kits.

Zenguy.6421:

penatbater.4710:

It’s just kinda sad only grenade kit has some extra love from legendaries.

The Grenade Kit is different if the Eng playing it uses a Legendary. Wow!

And yeah, a Legendary Flame Thrower would be awesome.

(p.s. Amazed this thread has lasted so long in the general Guild Wars 2 forum rather than being rapidly shunted out of sight to the Eng forum.)

well, 1 skill. If you have pred, you throw flaming napalms. If you have quip, you throw party streamers (same animation as the quip auto but like 5-8 at the same time)

penatbater.4710:

well, 1 skill. If you have pred, you throw flaming napalms. If you have quip, you throw party streamers (same animation as the quip auto but like 5-8 at the same time)

Wait a sec. – are the legendaries, and their usual associated profession users ANet’s way of hinting to us that the Engineers are a joke, and if we want to be taken seriously we should roll a Warr/Guard… or anything else?

Morrigan.2809:

Except for Ele, Engineers are the only class who do not have weapon swap.
We have exactly 3 weapons to choose from.
Ele’s have many more that, they generally rely on attunement swaps not conjured weapons as a class mechanic.
Engineers rely on either kits/ nets to augment their weapons- Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Weapon swapping classes are more than free to craft a legendary for both sets. I am sure many have.

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

let’s dissect this statement(s) a bit.

Engineers want legendary kits because they … want them. I want legendary weapons, because I want them, too.
Elementalists don’t use their weapon summons, but Engineers use their kits. How about we nerf each Engineer weapon kits to 50% of the current strength. Then you don’t use them >80% anymore and everyone is happy.
Just because you WANT to use them, don’t expect the system to bend towards your desire. Just becuase elementalists USUALLY don’t focus on weapon summons, doesn’t mean they can’t. They’re multiple traits which favor such builds. Even supporting the party – unlike engineers.

Engineer only has two weapons. Since YOU don’t like the shield. Elementalist only has two weapon sets, since I don’t like dagger and focus.
Engineer has three weapons and seven kits.
Elementalist has four weapons and five summoned weapons (not counting tornado ulti).

Seriously, I see no reason to favor engineers’ kits over elementalists summoned weapons. Or even secondary weaponsets from other classes.
Why not equalize those dual hand weapons with two handed wearers? Make only main hand legendary-able and the offhand automatically becomes legendary, too ?

Nretep.2564:

Morrigan.2809:

Except for Ele, Engineers are the only class who do not have weapon swap.
We have exactly 3 weapons to choose from.
Ele’s have many more that, they generally rely on attunement swaps not conjured weapons as a class mechanic.
Engineers rely on either kits/ nets to augment their weapons- Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Weapon swapping classes are more than free to craft a legendary for both sets. I am sure many have.

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

let’s dissect this statement(s) a bit.

Engineers want legendary kits because they … want them. I want legendary weapons, because I want them, too.
Elementalists don’t use their weapon summons, but Engineers use their kits. How about we nerf each Engineer weapon kits to 50% of the current strength. Then you don’t use them >80% anymore and everyone is happy.
Just because you WANT to use them, don’t expect the system to bend towards your desire. Just becuase elementalists USUALLY don’t focus on weapon summons, doesn’t mean they can’t. They’re multiple traits which favor such builds. Even supporting the party – unlike engineers.

Engineer only has two weapons. Since YOU don’t like the shield. Elementalist only has two weapon sets, since I don’t like dagger and focus.
Engineer has three weapons and seven kits.
Elementalist has four weapons and five summoned weapons (not counting tornado ulti).

Seriously, I see no reason to favor engineers’ kits over elementalists summoned weapons. Or even secondary weaponsets from other classes.
Why not equalize those dual hand weapons with two handed wearers? Make only main hand legendary-able and the offhand automatically becomes legendary, too ?

What? I read that twice..?
All we are asking is for the same choices everyone else has.
Is that so hard to understand?
I guess so.

Nretep.2564:

Morrigan.2809:

Except for Ele, Engineers are the only class who do not have weapon swap.
We have exactly 3 weapons to choose from.
Ele’s have many more that, they generally rely on attunement swaps not conjured weapons as a class mechanic.
Engineers rely on either kits/ nets to augment their weapons- Actually most engineers hardly use their weapons- this is the class mechanic much like attunements for Ele’s.

Weapon swapping classes are more than free to craft a legendary for both sets. I am sure many have.

I guess you don’t play an Engineer much?

let’s dissect this statement(s) a bit.

Engineers want legendary kits because they … want them. I want legendary weapons, because I want them, too.
Elementalists don’t use their weapon summons, but Engineers use their kits. How about we nerf each Engineer weapon kits to 50% of the current strength. Then you don’t use them >80% anymore and everyone is happy.
Just because you WANT to use them, don’t expect the system to bend towards your desire. Just becuase elementalists USUALLY don’t focus on weapon summons, doesn’t mean they can’t. They’re multiple traits which favor such builds. Even supporting the party – unlike engineers.

Engineer only has two weapons. Since YOU don’t like the shield. Elementalist only has two weapon sets, since I don’t like dagger and focus.
Engineer has three weapons and seven kits.
Elementalist has four weapons and five summoned weapons (not counting tornado ulti).

Seriously, I see no reason to favor engineers’ kits over elementalists summoned weapons. Or even secondary weaponsets from other classes.
Why not equalize those dual hand weapons with two handed wearers? Make only main hand legendary-able and the offhand automatically becomes legendary, too ?

This isn’t quite straight forward.

Elemental summons are pretty much one small part of the elementalist arsenal. An elementalist can get by quite easily without using a single weapon skill. It’s a skill option.

Kits are part of the engineer’s mechanic, and more comparable to swapping attunements. They’re not just weapon summons.

When Engineers were created, they were given very few weapon options (only 1 main hand, 2 off hand and one two hand) and that’s it…with no swap. There’s no attunement swap either.

So comparing Engineers kits to your summons shows a lack of understanding of profession mechanics. Without weapon summons you can have a perfectly viable elementalist. The same can not be said without kits.

While I disagree that this is the huge issue the OP claims it to be, he’s certainly not wrong in singling out Engineers for this kind of treatment, seeing as Anet has designed Engineers to use kits.

In fact, Anet went and changed sigils so they affect kits, because of this. Anet made no such provision for summoned weapons. There was probably a reason for that.