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Posted by: skcamow.3527

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I had a thought, and wonder if this might work: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW8al0npGttqxUNUrNyqxcqlQ9VrNWpHJ7AA-TZBCwAAOIAYuAAiLDc5JAoc/BA

Basically a lockdown build not meant to win 1v1s, but rather influence team fights with mass-lockdowns, such as Chaos Storm, Imbued Diversion, Magic Bullet, Mantra of Distraction, and Dazzling Glamours. Something like pushing out these at a steady pace from outside of the skirmish to wither the enemy team down. Unsure about whether to use scepter or sword. Scepter allows creating clones from a safe distance away, but sword has that AoE immob. Well, any opinion on this style of lockdown as opposed to the more up-front style?

This is rather tricky. I really feel imbued can work in a teamfight lockdown build but I have rarely experimented with it (though skcamow has).

Yeah this will regurgitate some of what chaos said, but I’ve played chillruption of course which makes heavy use of the trait. Using imbued diversion outside of that build, however has led to some frustration in theory-crafting. I’ve tried a couple times but it always ends with something too meh for me to even try. The issue is the longer 35s recharge on imbued diversion. You can try taking signet of illusions and illusionary invigoration to mitigate this, but you give up too much damage (IE) and utility to do it IMO. If you can get past that (I never could), the other very painful decision is then to determine whether 4 in domination or 4 in chaos. The might stacking potential is insane with AoE dazes from imbued diversion and MoD, thus screaming BI. On the other hand, the same case could be made for multiple halting strike procs + massive AoE vulnerability spread (epidemic numbers) along with your standard boon strip.

I do think in a very coordinated team (not top tier), one of those two specs – especially the 4/4/0/0/6 – could be used effectively.

To fix the issue, I’ve suggested numerous times on the forums that a buff to imbued diversion needs made to add a default 20% recharge reduction in diversion to the trait. If they did that, I would much more seriously consider something like this.

I’ve been running with a variant of the “Chillruption” build posted here some time ago by someone, and I make heavy use of scepter+torch, mainly Confusion and Torment.
It’s worth mentioning that these two conditions act as a sort of “soft” lockdown, punishing your opponents for kiting or using skills(complimented by Torch5’s Retal), or forcing them to remain static for some time until they can deal with those conditions, all the while allowing your other lockdown skills time to go off cooldown.

Which reminds me, we need more Chillruption vids, skcamow!

I’ve actually wanted to for awhile, just need the motivation.

Any tips on how to really make GS really meld with a CI build? I tried playing around with the build below for a little bit. Thinking maybe I’ll try double-ranged shatter “style” with CI for control. It was fun, but I’m sure I could be doing something else with that. I found that this one could handle engineers pretty well.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpGtFqxMNcrNytxY6Ne4CU20UlMggB-TZxFwAJeAAo2fAwRAAxlAQaZAA

My main problem with that build that I linked is that the damage isn’t that great. I considered going 4/0/6/0/4. Sacrifice DE and take Halting Strike and Shattered Concentration. Utility-wise I would then definitely use iDisenchanter and either Mirror Images or Decoy for the extra clones. I need to pick a different rune set. And it’s hard creating any kind of damage spike out of an interrupt without Halting Strike. I could switch to a rampager amulet/Grenth rune combo and try a little hybrid I suppose, but that just doesn’t feel clean.

My 2 cents here – since you’re running a more shatter focused style, you definitely need to keep DE. Your damage is being hamstrung by your sigils, runes and choice of illusionary invigoration instead of IE. When you take those three augmented damage sources away from a build with 0 points in power, you’re going to feel a bit weak. Taking IE will help a lot. Keeping energy but switching ice for air will help. Finally, going with hoelbrak or strength runes will be a big boost since you’re running BI. Being a shatter build, I would also opt to swap the iDisenchanter for something else (probably cleanse mantra).

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

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@Tealots: I’ve been on here and there, usually around 10pm-12am EST, but I have a habit of ghosting a lot. These past few weeks have been rough IRL so I’ve been lone-wolfing it and just playing anonymously to take my mind off things.

I think the problem is in the runes/sigils throwing in a Sigil of Fire or Air and switching to more power-based runes could be a big help. With your goal being ranged, Grenth runes are only going to be situationally useful. Also, you’re gonna wanna take the iElasticity over illusionary invig.

I was gonna try a ranged gs+staff 4/4/6 CI build, then tweak it to 0/4/6/0/4 and see how I feel. I still have a couple other builds I wanna try out first though.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

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@Tealots: I’ve been on here and there, usually around 10pm-12am EST, but I have a habit of ghosting a lot. These past few weeks have been rough IRL so I’ve been lone-wolfing it and just playing anonymously to take my mind off things.

I think the problem is in the runes/sigils throwing in a Sigil of Fire or Air and switching to more power-based runes could be a big help. With your goal being ranged, Grenth runes are only going to be situationally useful. Also, you’re gonna wanna take the iElasticity over illusionary invig.

I was gonna try a ranged gs+staff 4/4/6 CI build, then tweak it to 0/4/6/0/4 and see how I feel. I still have a couple other builds I wanna try out first though.

Rough IRL = Xbox, Destiny, Shadow of Mordor. :p

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Hehe I wish. (annd its Xbox ONE thank you =P) Suffered a death in the family two weekends ago and only recently we’ve been getting over it.

Double ranged lockdown seems an interesting concept, especially for WvW. I feel like the points in Illusions should go to Domination but.. Staff/GS is literally the BEST setup to make use of elasticity.

Also, I’ve recently been replacing null field with disenchanter and… I’m not enjoying it. I keep bouncing back and forth on my feelings for disenchanter but recently its been brutal since I can’t rely on it for on-demand Condi removal (maybe its bad luck but its been getting dodged/blocked a lot) I tried arcane thief for a bit but the Condi removal is too weak and… Blinds. -_-

So far null field has been the way to go.

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Posted by: Advent.6193

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What about 2/4/6/2/0, Chaos? Then, you’d be able to squeeze in Mender’s, at least

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Posted by: Tealots.6095

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@ Chaos: I’m sorry to hear about the RL stuff man.

I wish I could weigh in on WvW theory, but I’m terrified of that area of play. I’m working on some ascended items to maybe stand a chance.

Double ranged lockdown is interesting in sPvP. I went with Hoelbrak runes and that helped. Air/Fire on the GS is nice too. This was running 4/4/6/0/0. I know IE’s value. I just love the reset on shatter skills in a tough situation. I think it’s in my nature to be defensive and prepared for a situation instead of being aggressive.

I should play more with Mantra of Resolve to clear conditions. I feel like double range LD has potential. There are just a lot of fine lines. In my idea world, DE would be baseline and I could try CI with Imbued Diversion for team fight shenanigans.

But when all else fails I just use the Staff/Sw-Focus.

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Posted by: Schattenlied.4873

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What about 30-30-0-10-0 for double ranged lockdown? You would at least have some decent condition removal. It´s slightly squishy with those pvp stats, tough:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJARWl0npMtNqxGNcrNipxcqqIdANMQpDZ8FA-TpBFwACuAAMOCALOEAVLDA4BA4b/BA

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Posted by: Blackari.2051

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Just tried out CS build and I have to say I dont remember when was the last time I had so much fun ! he build is mazing
PS: on CS it says (6/4/4/0/0) but in reality it is (6/6/0/2/0)

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

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Does focus work with the CS build? I want to play it in WVW and need some sort of swiftness if I’m using Mesmer runes instead of Traveler.

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Posted by: SlimChance.6593

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CS triggers on “daze”, so if you choose CS you want to take weapon/skills that apply daze.

Focus doesn’t to that, so it depends on what else your taking. For instance, Staff – Sword/Focus would be ok, since Chaos Storm applies daze. But GS- Sword/Focus gives you no weapon daze’s at all.

You will probably be taking Mantra of Distraction, but if your going for a CS build, you want to optimize your daze options, as much as possible. IMHO.

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Posted by: Snakebyte.2804

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Maybe I can just equip a speed sigil then :P

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

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@Blackari: Glad you enjoy! I actually haven’t used CS in quite some time, it is a hell of a lot of fun though, especially when you have Signet of Domination mixed in somewhere.

@Schattenlied: Double ranged may actually be one of the best bets for CS, especially with it being so squishy. If I didn’t absolutely love the aesthetic of two swords, I’d give it a run.

@Snakebyte: SlimChance pretty much said it best, and yeah I’d advise the speed sigil. Offhand Sword or Pistol is the best to use Confounding Suggestions with, and the extra daze/stun on a decent cooldown makes a big difference.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

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@Blackari: Glad you enjoy! I actually haven’t used CS in quite some time, it is a hell of a lot of fun though, especially when you have Signet of Domination mixed in somewhere.

@Schattenlied: Double ranged may actually be one of the best bets for CS, especially with it being so squishy. If I didn’t absolutely love the aesthetic of two swords, I’d give it a run.

@Snakebyte: SlimChance pretty much said it best, and yeah I’d advise the speed sigil. Offhand Sword or Pistol is the best to use Confounding Suggestions with, and the extra daze/stun on a decent cooldown makes a big difference.

Are you still playing?…Lets duel or que… let’s go…

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

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Calliope pulled me from Xbox One. =P I’ll be on tonight and this weekend.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

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Calliope pulled me from Xbox One. =P I’ll be on tonight and this weekend.

Woohoo. Can’t wait to see you. I just hopped back on my mes and playing shatter. I missed it. Having a duel with you and the other OMFG guys will certainly revitalize my love for my mesmer.

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Posted by: Tealots.6095

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Calliope pulled me from Xbox One. =P I’ll be on tonight and this weekend.

Woohoo. Can’t wait to see you. I just hopped back on my mes and playing shatter. I missed it. Having a duel with you and the other OMFG guys will certainly revitalize my love for my mesmer.

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

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Tealots I’m coming to test your Mesmer gangsta at 10pm EST!

… Estimated.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

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Tealots I’m coming to test your Mesmer gangsta at 10pm EST!

… Estimated.

You’ll be surprised how good tealot is now! mwahahaha.!

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Tealots I’m coming to test your Mesmer gangsta at 10pm EST!

… Estimated.

You’ll be surprised how good tealot is now! mwahahaha.!

…and how short his temper has become. I’m nervous.

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Tealots I’m coming to test your Mesmer gangsta at 10pm EST!

… Estimated.

You’ll be surprised how good tealot is now! mwahahaha.!

…and how short his temper has become. I’m nervous.

You’ll do great! even if chaos is a protege and a PITA do duel with. haha

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Posted by: trooper.2650

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After a period where I have (again) been using lockdown 4/4/6, I must admit CI is always fun to play. Well, the lockdown style is fun, I should say.

But I feel CI misses something… I dunno you guys, but when it procs it’s like a big smile on your face. But then? You haven’t won anything, you gained the advantage of interrupting and nailing down the opponent, but whether you capitalize that hedge is a different story… The 2 ½ sec of immob. is equal to the duration of 1-2 skills and only full shatter Mesmers can bring down (or get close) a tank, or any other profession tankier than a glass build. But the foe is still able to perform actions other than moving. Ok, blind and those conditions that come with it surely help. Yet…
Let us not mention that there are professions which are harder to interrupt than others (thieves and engies come to mind). And interrupting key skills isn’t so straight-forward vs competent players.

Although I have been having a good degree of success (and fun) with it, that feeling is there and won’t let me alone. Until… I decided to try CS (again). And I think I found what I was looking for.

I think that CS disrupts someone’s playing more than CI does and thus it counters those professions, which were difficult to deal when I was using CI. No need to effectively interrupt a skill… just cast a daze to have a 1 out of 2 chance to stun. Although only 1 sec it’s enough to break someone’s flow/patterns/combos, especially because you can chain it.

Ok, I am not here to explain what all of ya know very well, but I wanted to contribute with my experience. Moreover, I would like your opinion on the build which I have been using during the past weeks:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQRAsa7clknpGtlpxUNMrNipxYybih0B0wAlskxB-TpBFwACeAAOOCA12fYxBBoaZAAnAAA

And now with the questions.
Is it better 6/6/x/x/x with CS + harmonious mantras or 6/4/4 with CI+BI?
What is your experience with CS?
I never tried Mesmer runes. Is the 33% longer daze worth?
Would I benefit more from blade training or phant. fury (in wvw I run with longer blink)

Thanks to whoever can help me out with this

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Posted by: SlimChance.6593

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For me, the problem I’ve had with a CS build is the simple randomness of it. I never seemed to get the stun when I needed the stun. So I stopped running them. Also, Wastrel’s Punishment is just a waste of a GM minor trait. Wish ANet would bump it up or give us something different.

Since the randomness of CS is something you have to deal with, my suggestion is to maximize those daze’s as much as possible. Run Staff – Sword/Sword and use blade training instead of Phan Fury.

Mesmer Runes aren’t really necessary for a CS build. Because no matter how long the daze is, if the CS triggers, it will always be a 1 sec stun. But if you don’t get the stun, the additional 33% on the daze helps a little. (At least, I’m pretty sure Mesmer Runes do NOT increase the stun from CS)

Maybe someone else can answer this, but does the Sigil of Paralyzation increase the stun from CS? I think it does, but I’m not positive. So you might want to consider that.

As far as runes go, you might try Runes of Air. I’ve been playing around with them and having pretty good luck with them. Since your build doesn’t employ any stealth, you don’t have to worry about revealing you on the lighning strike process. And your crits end up being BIG numbers. They’ve kind of fallen off the radar, but they are pretty decent.

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Posted by: trooper.2650

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Since the randomness of CS is something you have to deal with, my suggestion is to maximize those daze’s as much as possible. Run Staff

This is something which doesn’t make much sense to me. I mean, if you really cannot stand the RNG factor, why insisting on it? I did think of staff, but staff doesn’t guarantee a daze. Moreover daze will not guarantee a stun. That’s why I opted for pistol: guaranteed stun. Also, more pressure from the phantasm. As much as I like staff, here I am looking for disabling the enemy. Here is how my rotation looks like: Daze from mantra, daze from sword, daze from mantra, swap, stun from pistol, immob. from sword. If I pick harmonious mantras I still have a charge left. In team fights it is a killer.
Anyway, I need to run the build a little longer for more feedback and I will surely take staff in case I notice the need for a defensive weapon.

As far as runes go, you might try Runes of Air

I am using it it’s in the sw/p set with sigil of fire. It’s my burst set and it works great.

However, my biggest debate is: is harmonius mantras more important than BI? Will I benefit more from 3 mantra charges or from the boons I get from interrupt procs? Thoughts?

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Posted by: Reborn.2934

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thank you chaos . very informative article about mesmer skills and their usage

even i do not using the same build ( i never do ) your article explained me a lot of questions

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Posted by: Dixo.3876

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Is it possible to get a list of daze immunity by class (other than stability). For example, I randomly get immune from engineers and haven’t found out why.

ie Berserker’s Stance can’t daze but I pretty sure you can during Endure Pain.

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Posted by: skcamow.3527

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Is it possible to get a list of daze immunity by class (other than stability). For example, I randomly get immune from engineers and haven’t found out why.

ie Berserker’s Stance can’t daze but I pretty sure you can during Endure Pain.

Here you go – you’re probably running into aegis, gear shield or elixir S.

Yes, daze goes through endure pain and should work through berserker stance as well. The latter makes them impervious only to conditions, not control effects.

I think that’s it.

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Posted by: Dixo.3876

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Nice links. I’m family with gear shield and the elixir animations. I must be getting bad luck on aegis

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Posted by: SlimChance.6593

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Since the randomness of CS is something you have to deal with, my suggestion is to maximize those daze’s as much as possible. Run Staff

This is something which doesn’t make much sense to me. I mean, if you really cannot stand the RNG factor, why insisting on it? I did think of staff, but staff doesn’t guarantee a daze. Moreover daze will not guarantee a stun. That’s why I opted for pistol: guaranteed stun. Also, more pressure from the phantasm. As much as I like staff, here I am looking for disabling the enemy. Here is how my rotation looks like: Daze from mantra, daze from sword, daze from mantra, swap, stun from pistol, immob. from sword. If I pick harmonious mantras I still have a charge left. In team fights it is a killer.
Anyway, I need to run the build a little longer for more feedback and I will surely take staff in case I notice the need for a defensive weapon.

As far as runes go, you might try Runes of Air

I am using it it’s in the sw/p set with sigil of fire. It’s my burst set and it works great.

However, my biggest debate is: is harmonius mantras more important than BI? Will I benefit more from 3 mantra charges or from the boons I get from interrupt procs? Thoughts?

That’s the “Sigil of Air”, I am referring to the “Superior Runes of Air”. They increase ferocity and give 5 seconds of swiftness when you heal and a 25% chance of a lightening strike when hit. Superior Runes of Air

As far as the staff/pistol debate, that’s just up to you. The point I was trying to get was that pistol is a stun anyway, so why run CS with it? What are you gaining? The possibility of the second bounce being a stun as well? And that bounce is random also, as you have no control where it goes.

Chaos Storm has the potential to have an AOE stun with CS. Yes, its all random, but the potential is there. Pistol is still pistol whether you run CS or not.

Also, you mentioned possibly running Blade Training, so going sword/sword would be a good choice there. Just assumed that you would then choose GS or staff for the second weapon.

If you like the build, then don’t let anyone persuade you. Keep working on it till its yours. I’m constantly tweaking my EchoRupt build.

The BI over Harmonious Mantra is tough one. HM will give you an extra daze/stun potential. BI will help capitalize on a interrupt.

I guess it comes down to playstyle and how well you can manage mantra charging.
If you play the CS build with BI, your going to need to play more as an interrupt build. Being more very selective with your daze’s, and trying to go for the interrupt. If CS triggers, that’s just icing.

With HM, you can be more aggressive in that your just throwing out dazes in hopes for the stun and then capitalize when that triggers.

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Posted by: Stormbolt.7293

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I’m trying to find a roaming build to use, and the condition interrupt looks interesting. I can’t believe I never thought of using Grenth runes. Have you guys tried using it for roaming? Any variations worth considering that are more specialized for roaming? Scepter/Pistol and Sword/Something looks like it could work.

I was thinking something like this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAraWl0npRtlpxGNcrNyqxY6WO5FUlVp3I7AA-TlRHABDcIAEZ/hCV/RgTAAa6DA4JAAA-w

I sacrificed additional bounces and disenchanter for harmonious mantras and null field respectively. Why strip two boons when I can strip them all? I can see how bounces would be useful in a PvP situation, but if I encounter more than two people while solo roaming, I’m getting the hell out. Mantra of Resolve grants me on-demand chill. I might even be able to get 100% uptime.

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

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Put up a new build that I think is strong enough for the build list
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Build-Phantrupt-Asskicker-CS-Interrupt/first#

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Posted by: MailMail.6534

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It’s been a while since I read through this thread, but I’ve been playing a subpar version of Lockdown. Here it is: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsdWlknpGtlpxNNcrNCuxY6MaIkTGzJlMgfB-TZBFwACeCA12fIxJAoaZAAHCAA

Yes, I’m fully aware that this isn’t the best lockdown build ever, but I’ve been enjoying the use of Arcane Thievery a lot, and the CD on focus is very nice. lol I guess when I look at it, this is a good build for 1v1s, but that’s about it really. I’m decent with this weapon set, so I’ll chalk my success in ranked yolo q to playing baddies.

So if you’re in some koth arenas, try this out!

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Posted by: Stormbolt.7293

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Lately, I’ve been trying to translate the CI build into WvW. Here’s what I have so far:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsaRlknpNtlpxGNcrNipxY6eiJHSGQDlMkxB-T1BFABIp8Tu9HSTfwCHBAAeFAFq+zVKBBA-w

Travelers or some other reliable form of mobility is simply mandatory in WvW. For this reason, I decided to ditch Lyssa runes for them. Having constant speed diminishes the value of focus a bit, so I decided to pick up a pistol instead. May try the sword too and see which I like better. Without Lyssa, I need some form of reliable condition removal. Arcane Thievery synergies nicely in my opinion, since it means I’ll have two manipulations. Debilitating Dissipation and Phantasmal Fury are nice but by no means mandatory, so I went ahead and got the range and cooldown manipulation traits.

Still have to test this. Any thoughts?

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Posted by: MailMail.6534

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^

I was talking with some OMFG guildies the other night who told me wvw roaming battles are typically more spread out, so DD definitely isn’t necessary. Good job taking the Manipulations CD and also the distance. That’ll help you blink to catch up to people or potentially escape.

Looks really good to me!

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Posted by: Tealots.6095

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@Stormbolt I use Focus with travelers, despite not getting into WvW all that often. Being able to pull an enemy into the warden and trap them there with CI is so good. But I also tend to run 04640 in WvW and trait the focus. Reflects definitely have a place in the lockdown world. Also, wardens spinning on the temporal curtain = condi cleanse. You should be standing near the warden anyway for some area denial/protection.

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Posted by: alanis.6094

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Just loving my semi-unconventional CI build. Standard traits, but weapons are GS and Scepter/Sword. Scepter is my favorite weapon, and I just can’t get enough of the Sword daze.

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Posted by: Stormbolt.7293

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@Stormbolt I use Focus with travelers, despite not getting into WvW all that often. Being able to pull an enemy into the warden and trap them there with CI is so good. But I also tend to run 04640 in WvW and trait the focus. Reflects definitely have a place in the lockdown world. Also, wardens spinning on the temporal curtain = condi cleanse. You should be standing near the warden anyway for some area denial/protection.

Good point. Still though, the reliable stuns from the sword or pistol are hard to pass up…

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

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This is my CI Mesmer build for WvW (note: WvW usually means im in a gank squad with my guild. For roaming t2 doesn’t really have a lot of condition people so I don’t run with any condi removal except my hoelbrak runes. I also swap focus for pistol sometimes as well)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8dlknpRt1oxMNcrNipxY6biJHSGQDlslxB-TlCEwAEeAAMVe1VJIL1KaqEBnqKd0NA4gA84KAEb/hAAIAczbezbezbWKAxGGB-w

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Posted by: jenzie.4083

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This is my CI Mesmer build for WvW (note: WvW usually means im in a gank squad with my guild. For roaming t2 doesn’t really have a lot of condition people so I don’t run with any condi removal except my hoelbrak runes. I also swap focus for pistol sometimes as well)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8dlknpRt1oxMNcrNipxY6biJHSGQDlslxB-TlCEwAEeAAMVe1VJIL1KaqEBnqKd0NA4gA84KAEb/hAAIAczbezbezbWKAxGGB-w

I roam solo and use a very similar build, it probably has been posted in here before. I use travelers, Menders Purity and 3x mantra trait instead, I’ve tried other condition removal skills but MP is so convenient, 1 click 2 actions. Also traited pistol because it’s so often I need to catch runners and those extra meters are really neat.

I usually wait a while with my rotation, throw some mirror blades and pew pew to lure out some dodges and stun breakers, then this rotation, which often doesn’t work all the way but sometimes, I try to attack from stealth and behind so the iDuellist is out of their view.
Pistol stun, iduellist, ileap, blurred frenzy, gs5, gs4, MoD, gs2, gs3.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8al0npMtNqxGNcrNyqhY6Wnedqll+SnAA-TlCEwAwUVw++DEeAAbVCyU5HL1akcQA6oLAwRA4xFAIAACA38m38m38mlCIilRA-w

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Posted by: Nubu.6148

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Posted by: trooper.2650

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I have been trying CS+CI with no DE (6-2-6), double ranged, berserker amulet, improved manipulations (cd+range), runes of the pack or centaur, and the results are astonishing. Great survival (decoy, blink and MoD), great damage (power can skyrocket to 3200 with bloodlust and +/- 3400 with might stacking).

As anyone ever tried the two traits together? It’s a hell of fun. If you can get along with no DE ofc…

What would you say the weaknesses are (no DE ofc)?

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

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Tried it. It sucked balls for me.

A lot of people will bash me for this but.

I think CS and CI are counterproductive if you are managing to hit interrupts often.

Immob + Stun is a wasted MoD.

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Posted by: trooper.2650

trooper.2650

There’s a clear benefit for running both. No need to succesfully interrupt someone for a benefit.

Of course, the aim is to interrupt important skills. But what if you miss it? Well, you still have CS which can make up for it. Thieves are easier to handle because of that.

Plenty of dazes (chas storm, mantra, F3) + knock back, very good mobility.
I like it much so far. Only think is no sharper images, and not very high crit damage (but compensated by very high attack power)

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Posted by: jenzie.4083

jenzie.4083

This is my CI Mesmer build for WvW (note: WvW usually means im in a gank squad with my guild. For roaming t2 doesn’t really have a lot of condition people so I don’t run with any condi removal except my hoelbrak runes. I also swap focus for pistol sometimes as well)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8dlknpRt1oxMNcrNipxY6biJHSGQDlslxB-TlCEwAEeAAMVe1VJIL1KaqEBnqKd0NA4gA84KAEb/hAAIAczbezbezbWKAxGGB-w

I’ve been playing with your build for two days now, I use Empower Illusions and Far-reaching Manipulations though for 15% more dmg and 1200 blink (solo roamers best friend), travelers runes and pistol. I don’t even use condition removal and I solo roam and defend camps. The dmg output with full bloodlust and around 15 stacks of might is INSANE, everyone instantly goes into defensive mode and freak out and I LOVE IT!

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Posted by: lujate.5432

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I’ve been running the condition interrupt variant with some success, except against condition Necros. They just eat me alive. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Posted by: Chaos Archangel.5071

Chaos Archangel.5071

Shall be updating with notes on videos soon, going to be using Lavra’s WvW video, Holls’s PvP vids, and a few of my own. Anyone else got any suggestions?


@lujate Any condi build has trouble against necros. =[ For us its all about managing to constantly apply Scepter’s Torment while interrupting their deathshroud skills and dancing around their weaponskills

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