Guild Wars 2

Shatters hit way harder now which is fine , but it is not as fun as before since it does not require very much set up anymore. It was much more fun to play a mesmer prepatch when it was harder to play a mesmer, now with the new patch it seems everyone is playing a mesmer because of how easy it is to burst and that kinda ruins it for me.

try out other classes, is the perfect time to experiment

True, but I kinda hope they nerf shatter damage a little.

Second that. I laughed my kitten of yesterday when I blew up a bunker engi in the blink of an eye. But it’s not fun when its so easy. And I dislike seeing so many warrior/thief/engi fanboys invade my favorite profession.

Thank you teegees. Make mesmer difficult again so others can go back to their other professions.

Thirding it. Im tempted to give guardian ago this week, hammer staff or something.
Enjoy the broken burn.

I enjoyed mes before because it felt really rewarding to get a kill.

I killed a thief once and I felt like I won the universe!

yeah to be honest, I find shatter mesmer with mantra of distraction, confounding suggestions, and power block to be the most faceroll build I’ve played yesterday.

At least with cheesy necro power or condi specs you don’t have the free ability to disengage to compensate for all the damage CC and area denail you do.

I think it has to do with the combined traits and the fact you can grab 3 FULL lines. I’m sure every profession has some of this as well.

Give it awhile, I’m sure ANet will make the Mesmer the underdog again soon enough.

Dude.. Lockdown isn’t even difficult or unique anymore. Everyone is running the same build. =[ I know I should’ve expected it (hell I even promoted it) but it kind of hurts my heart a bit.

However.. Mesmer is fun as hell. So many new things to play with. #boonshare

Ya true, I am happy that a few others feel the way about mesmer right now.

We ask for buffs and we finally get them. Then we complain about the buffs lol..

I never asked for buffs , I think mesmer was in a really good spot. The only problem was that thief could counter mesmers most times.

@reflexyo:
For the most part, yes.

Sadly, if the meta remains “zerk” … Thief will still do this.

We’ll have to see how the dust settles on this one.

What people here are really trying to say is, “I played Mesmer before it was cool. I think I’m going to play insert profession so I can try out this new build. You’ve probably never heard of it.”

Kirito.9207:

We ask for buffs and we finally get them. Then we complain about the buffs lol..

You know, it’s a funny psychological thing.

Personally, I’m very happy with most of the changes. I never really noticed how much I enjoyed playing a class that felt more difficult than other classes. With all these improvements, they’ve pushed more builds closer to viability, but that also means the build I used to play has become so mainstream (or rather.. was so common yesterday) that it actually kills some of the draw to play it.

Mesmer seems to be in a much better place now, even despite the buffs other classes received, and now has a bit more build diversity to play with… That should be awesome, yet I harbor some bitterness I can’t really explain!

I feel like some angry old man. “All these lockdown whippersnappers don’t know what it was REALLY like! Before Anet made it insanely easy to build a good lockdown build and literally rolled out all the traits for you perfectly! They don’t know about the struggle in the meta! The hours of practice! There was no guides for this back in my day! I wrote the durn’d guides!”

Kirito.9207:

We ask for buffs and we finally get them. Then we complain about the buffs lol..

This. Like wtf?

@Chaos:
LMAO.

@Zera:
Complainers will complain complain complain :-p

It’s not good enough to be meta.
Now it’s good enough that more people are playing it.

I’m not sure there is a “just right” for some people.

Mesmer is less fun since they just gutted condition shatter.

Honestly I was happier with it before the patch and no IP.

Reroll. You’ll be back in a week max.

tetrodoxin.2134:

Reroll. You’ll be back in a week max.

Oh I’m not rerolling. Mesmer is the only reason I play gw2 so I’m going to have to change builds completely.

Less talking and more links to this so called OP build =D

I’m finding Mes much more fun to play now. It feels more fluid and better than before. I think the devs have done a good job. A lot of people are still experimenting with builds, so don’t use this period in time to estimate how good something is until the dust has settled.

yanniell.1236:

Less talking and more links to this so called OP build =D

Jebro, mandj, myself, and 90% of lockdown players all over the world have linked variants of the same spec. Just roll dom/dueling/chaos grab all lockdown traits except furious interrupt (grab shattered concentration) grab a pistol and staff with zerker and you’re good to go.

At the same time you have to remember that something can be fun even if it’s not just you playing it anymore. You just have to let go of the “I wanna be the underdog” and just enjoy – I know it’s tough, I’m the same. But at the same time, you enjoy what you enjoy, and if everybody else does it’s a shame to just not have that enjoyment for that reason.

If one legitimately feels things changed for the worse it’s obviously different, hehe.

I play some kind of Shatterlock (Dom, Chaos, Illusions) and i honestly feel sorry for thieves sometimes. 1200 range insta-stun followed by oneshot shatter is like the worst thing that could happen to them.

People will hate me for bringing this up again, but on top of that burst i probably also have a higher stealth uptime than them.

I’m having a lot more fun now with Domination/Inspiration/x and Staff/Focus interrupt builds using mantras.

I actually prefer Chaos over Duelling because of the amazing staff trait here.

youre all insane. this is the most fun mesmer has ever been. so many viable builds it makes my pants uncomfortable 24/7

Mesmer build options and effectiveness have been so consistently kitten for so long that when they’re suddenly something else…you have no idea how to react.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Mesmer requiring 10x more effort to accomplish what everyone else could do didn’t make it better or more fun…it just made it non-meta and aggravating to play. Now we’re getting a reward more appropriate to the effort we put in, and some deluded mesmers are asking for nerfs. It boggles the mind.

You can’t scream for buffs all the time and then turn around and ask for nerfs after you get buffed. Stupid threads like this are one of the reasons mesmers never get nice things.

DON’T TOUCH MY SHATTER!
DON’T TOUCH MY MESMER!

Besides, all classes have there own nice burst also. & are more tanky

Tell me people aren’t surprised that Mesmer was the class to attract all the Hipsters?

“Oh my class and build? It’s so underground … you probably haven’t heard of it.”

… I tease :P

……. mostly.

I’m one of those you should hate. Played Mesmer and Ranger at the start but wife took Mesmer so I just stuck with ranger. She eventually gave up on mesmer so I decided to go back to it finally, just before all the changes hit. I can tell a remarkable difference though I can’t decide WHICH VIABLE SPEC TO PLAY!!

It’s an embarrassment of riches.

Funny when I pointed out the GS bug/perma invi/insane burst, and Mesmer becoming quite out of hand, someone suddenly refers me as “thief/ranger troll” , and then this post comes out and people are agreeing with him. Hypocrisy is real.

I actually flipped over to my necro (mesmer is my main), for giggles. Mesmer is all about evading, necro is all about giving hugs .. COME TO MEEEE! WAIT! WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY?!! I JUST WANT TO HUG YOU!!!

But yes, I took an odd pride in playing a class that not many wanted to … bummed a little I lost my beloved hybrid build too (used four trait lines and now forced into three ).

Well, to be fair Chaos, I picked up Lockdown a while back when you first started promoting it. I spent some time learning it and I’ve been having a blast with it on occasion in unranked ever since. I felt like a god yesterday so in a way it felt really nice to be rewarded for learning how to react and counter specific animations.

The one thing that grinds my gears is Prismatic Understanding/Shatter Mesmer with Sword/Torch + X (Blink/Decoy/Mimic/M.I.) + The Pledge. You can’t fight people when you don’t know they’re there. Stealth used to be more like a “flip-book” in the sense that we would play around maybe 3-4 second stealth durations.

Being able to cast Phantasms and other spells while stealthed is broken and brain-dead. It’s one thing when you’re able to react; but that implies you know someone’s around…

Right now it’s incredibly over-tuned. Being able to sit in stealth for 12 or more seconds. (The record seems to be somewhere between 45 and 58 seconds) pretty much guarantees that you lull people into a false sense of security. Low duration stealth has mild counterplay; high duration does not. The boons on top of everything? I… just don’t want to talk about it.

Something like… http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-RFkg;1VPV11y6oV-71;9;4UTW;0237138237;4Wwl3L;1F-03F-03a0P

Things are too strong. I got bored of pvp pretty fast yesterday. I played around 20 matches and only lost 2-3 of them. This is not because i am good in anyway because before the patch it would be more like 50-50. Maybe it’s just because people are trying out all sorts of new builds and that’s why.

I’ll probably just wait a few weeks and see how things change but i was not having fun just completely annihilating everyone with a lockdown build.

ps: Also can’t believe how many pew pew rangers killed themselves thanks to mirror

4s Mirror + 2s from Blink … love it. I’m right there with you Jordy.

OkAy one class will be easier than the other until we get specs remember mes gets shield which will make them lose DPS yo
It aint the end my friend

Are main mesmer players really complaining? after all the kittening on how we wer subpart to all other classes? or is it only a few salty rangers among others trolling for a nerf?

Vieux P.1238:

Are main mesmer players really complaining? after all the kittening on how we wer subpart to all other classes? or is it only a few salty rangers among others trolling for a nerf?

I’m as surprised as you are but, yes. Obviously we can’t say anything for certain since the patch is still new and a new meta has to be created but the fact that i was killing everyone left and right really surprised me. And it’s not because i played well

I used to respect and admire good Mes players…not so much now. I no longer wish to play this class because the challenge is gone. You know something is wrong when I feel more skillful playing a Skull Crack Warrior than as a lockdown. I think the main culprits are IP being baseline and CS being so good now. Hit one daze and you’ll probably hit them all. Oh, and all the extra blind.

The burden of skill used to be on the Mesmer but now I think it’s the opposite. I’m pretty bummed.

BurrTheKing.8571:

I used to respect and admire good Mes players…not so much now. I no longer wish to play this class because the challenge is gone. You know something is wrong when I feel more skillful playing a Skull Crack Warrior than as a lockdown. I think the main culprits are IP being baseline and CS being so good now. Hit one daze and you’ll probably hit them all. Oh, and all the extra blind.

The burden of skill used to be on the Mesmer but now I think it’s the opposite. I’m pretty bummed.

Remember, its guild wars 2 Beta for the next 6-7 years

i dont agree. sorry.. :/

Forsaken.4215:

BurrTheKing.8571:

I used to respect and admire good Mes players…not so much now. I no longer wish to play this class because the challenge is gone. You know something is wrong when I feel more skillful playing a Skull Crack Warrior than as a lockdown. I think the main culprits are IP being baseline and CS being so good now. Hit one daze and you’ll probably hit them all. Oh, and all the extra blind.

The burden of skill used to be on the Mesmer but now I think it’s the opposite. I’m pretty bummed.

Playing a lock down warrior is for noobs sorry

Compared to what lockdown Mes is now it feels like rocket science in comparison. Also, hard to top the satisfaction of hitting a Crack and following with a 100b that deals 20% more damage AND you get quickness at 50%. Shame there’s little reason to bring one when Mes is so easy and strong now.

LOL, just click insta cast ranged CC and watch people get one shot

I don’t play mesmer much but I wanted to hop on one and see what the damage looked like first-hand. Shatter mes can kill a light golem with two skills…Run at the golem while casting mirror blade, dodge toward it summoning a clone, and shatter. A lot of the time this split second burst kills it.

This is sad. We have what we asked for!!! Why complain. Checking on golems!!! What can a warrior do with a golem. The golem doesn’t move dodge anything.

Im just saying its a little of the top for how short of a cool down both abilities have.

denis.9487:

This is sad. We have what we asked for!!! Why complain. Checking on golems!!! What can a warrior do with a golem. The golem doesn’t move dodge anything.

Pretty sure no-one ask for PU buff… And then they went all the way to give it 100% more duration.

Also most mesmers were asking more survival options and diversity, not insane burst damage and infinite lock-down.

Mesmer’s still fun. However, I would’ve loved to actually see the Confusing Combatants change go live. Let alone MtD not getting nerfed the same frigging day the patch went live.

Sounds like a serious case of the whines to me. As I’ve said several times today; crying for nerfs and claiming the class isn’t “skilled” enough doesn’t make you cool.

If you don’t feel challenged please go away. I’ve waited years to be able to play shatter effectively. It’s idiotic to encourage ANET to nerf Mesmer when we have seen they are likely to trash anything we find effective anyway.

Please just leave and play something else.

denis.9487:

This is sad. We have what we asked for!!! Why complain. Checking on golems!!! What can a warrior do with a golem. The golem doesn’t move dodge anything.

I know..right? .. you should see the horror of damage dease classes does. so im sorry also that i’m not following the nerf bandwagon