Guild Wars 2

Necrotize.2974:

Regen was already iffy, but since it was only a 1/3 chance of getting a meh boon, it was ok.

Regen wasn’t iffy.

Because it combined with the preceding minor trait that gave you Prot when you got Regen (15 sec ICD).

Hence the original use of PU to come out of stealth with like 5-10 seconds prot (it was wildly swingy), which helped a ton with survivability during the bad old days.

ASP.8093:

Necrotize.2974:

Regen was already iffy, but since it was only a 1/3 chance of getting a meh boon, it was ok.

Regen wasn’t iffy.

Because it combined with the preceding minor trait that gave you Prot when you got Regen (15 sec ICD).

Hence the original use of PU to come out of stealth with like 5-10 seconds prot (it was wildly swingy), which helped a ton with survivability during the bad old days.

All I meant by iffy was of the 3, regen is not something you’d need all the time(like if you’re at full hp), whereas Aegis and high protection uptime are always nice, no matter what stage in a fight you’re at.

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

Meanie.

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

denis.9487:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Thank you. People seem to miss this fact. Too often

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

LOL…. So funny.
Kinda wonder why we never see a Ranger in ESL post patch.

Keep living in denial.

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Thank you. People seem to miss this fact. Too often

This is false. Mesmer was powerful pre patch. Only baddies say that Mesmer is in line of the rest of the classes now.

PS: In PvP it was almost impossible to one shot someone pre patch. WvW is a different story, you get additional stats, food buffs, and from what I see in videos, A lot of WvW players are bad, they won’t even dodge an unstealthed mirror blade burst.

Montages are not even woth mentioning as these are nitpicked ideal situations, If you have faced them before in a match or duel then I will take that source as credible.

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

What are you even talking about?

Aomine.5012:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

LOL…. So funny.
Kinda wonder why we never see a Ranger in ESL post patch.

Keep living in denial.

So ESL is the sole determinant of whether a class should be nerfed or not. I don’t know, I just see a bunch of ranger players who think nerfing mesmers will somehow fix their class.

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

LOL…. So funny.
Kinda wonder why we never see a Ranger in ESL post patch.

Keep living in denial.

So ESL is the sole determinant of whether a class should be nerfed or not. I don’t know, I just see a bunch of ranger players who think nerfing mesmers will somehow fix their class.

Stop making rangers the villain. EVERYONE, YES, EVEN SOME MESMERS THEMSELVES, agree that the current Mesmer is too powerful and many traits need tone down.

I pointed out certain traits to prevent Anet from overnerfing something or nerfing the wrong stuffs. Stop take it personally.

Aomine.5012:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

LOL…. So funny.
Kinda wonder why we never see a Ranger in ESL post patch.

Keep living in denial.

So ESL is the sole determinant of whether a class should be nerfed or not. I don’t know, I just see a bunch of ranger players who think nerfing mesmers will somehow fix their class.

Stop making rangers the villain. EVERYONE, YES, EVEN SOME MESMERS THEMSELVES, agree that the current Mesmer is too powerful and many traits need tone down.

OMG! Me too! But I’m not making complaints in every thread I can about it. But rangers….

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

So power mesmer is where power ranger is. Now I see why you’re upset.

LOL…. So funny.
Kinda wonder why we never see a Ranger in ESL post patch.

Keep living in denial.

So ESL is the sole determinant of whether a class should be nerfed or not. I don’t know, I just see a bunch of ranger players who think nerfing mesmers will somehow fix their class.

LoL. Mesmers got overbuffed. I keep saying that. I main mesmer but I am not biased as anyone here.

ESL is a reflection on how the state of the classes are. In defense of the ranger, If It did something better than other classes you would see it there. But it doesn’t. So you get the idea.

Aomine.5012:

I pointed out certain traits to prevent Anet from overnerfing something or nerfing the wrong stuffs. Stop take it personally.

lol. No you didn’t. You have a bunch of complaints on this forum and the PvP forum with no actual feedback or suggestions. You just don’t like mesmers and want your favorite class buffed.

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

I pointed out certain traits to prevent Anet from overnerfing something or nerfing the wrong stuffs. Stop take it personally.

lol. No you didn’t. You have a bunch of complaints on this forum and the PvP forum with no actual feedback or suggestions. You just don’t like mesmers and want your favorite class buffed.

I can see why he does that. Some mesmers here in the forums are in denial. Simple as that. No Wonder top players ignore the forums. LOL.

Whether people like you or not doesn’t have much to do with how OP you are. Even when ele was super broken you didn’t see people kitten about it the way they are with mes. You know why?

Because mesmer is kittening easy to play.

Half your damage is AI, you have practically no readable animations, and you have so many built in safety nets in case you kitten up that you really have to be terrible to be seriously caught by less than 2 people. But somehow mesmers won’t even own up to the fact. Like everybody knows lb rangers and warriors are easy. We ok with that, they accept it, whatever. But mesmers somehow want you to imagine that they’re hard to play and squishy, when its just so obviously not true. You dump protection out of your kitten at the slightest provocation and have midtier health, built in invuln on every build and days of stealth. Yea thats hard to play lmao.

It does have much to do with how your present your arguments.

StickerHappy.8052:

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Thank you. People seem to miss this fact. Too often

This is false. Mesmer was powerful pre patch. Only baddies say that Mesmer is in line of the rest of the classes now.

PS: In PvP it was almost impossible to one shot someone pre patch. WvW is a different story, you get additional stats, food buffs, and from what I see in videos, A lot of WvW players are bad, they won’t even dodge an unstealthed mirror blade burst.

Montages are not even woth mentioning as these are nitpicked ideal situations, If you have faced them before in a match or duel then I will take that source as credible.

Yes Sticker Mesmer was strong pre patch. You could hop in unrank and farm baddies all day. Take that same Mesmer into a high tier setting and you would be farmed unless you had a team peel for you.
Post patch that isn’t the case. And that’s fine. Only someone that’s upset that the class got the buffs everyone been asking for and is doing better than expected thus drawing more attention than ever before.
The issue, once you get past damage which a lot of classes have seen increased in varying forms, is that CS works better than Anet imagined when combined with PB. PU is a troll thing to take unless you want to shadow zergs or what not but it boils down to CS. Otherwise Mesmer is fine and realistically actually needs bug fixes and reversions on traits like Chaotic Dampening.

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StickerHappy.8052:

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denis.9487:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Thank you. People seem to miss this fact. Too often

This is false. Mesmer was powerful pre patch. Only baddies say that Mesmer is in line of the rest of the classes now.

PS: In PvP it was almost impossible to one shot someone pre patch. WvW is a different story, you get additional stats, food buffs, and from what I see in videos, A lot of WvW players are bad, they won’t even dodge an unstealthed mirror blade burst.

Montages are not even woth mentioning as these are nitpicked ideal situations, If you have faced them before in a match or duel then I will take that source as credible.

Yes Sticker Mesmer was strong pre patch. You could hop in unrank and farm baddies all day. Take that same Mesmer into a high tier setting and you would be farmed unless you had a team peel for you.
Post patch that isn’t the case. And that’s fine. Only someone that’s upset that the class got the buffs everyone been asking for and is doing better than expected thus drawing more attention than ever before.
The issue, once you get past damage which a lot of classes have seen increased in varying forms, is that CS works better than Anet imagined when combined with PB. PU is a troll thing to take unless you want to shadow zergs or what not but it boils down to CS. Otherwise Mesmer is fine and realistically actually needs bug fixes and reversions on traits like Chaotic Dampening.

If you are talking about higher tier than the casual pvp (not tourneys) even solo que has higher tier matches. I have been there. No comms but the skill difference is higher than the lower tiered/MMR matches. I assure you, you will not be farmed by a lot of the classes if we are talking about skill.

Only thing you have to be worried before was thief.

Since you are giving me constructive ideas I will talk to you.

1.) The state of interrupt now is broken, why? You interrupt easy as an AA, how many effects do you get? Assuming you trait for it, which you will. PB/CS/CI/BI/Daze/Vuln.
Anyone can do this now. So so called lockdown builds are now a joke. Why again you ask? Just take all those interrupt traits and you get a lockdown build.

2.) High Damage. Not all Classes can get high damage like mesmer does. and Execute it like a mesmer does.

3.) We have gotten a lot of major traits that are build defining base line now. Phantasm build? Yeap 15% phant damage baseline. Mantras? Yeap. Protective Mantras baseline. Shatter? Yeap IP baseline. So any build now can have the damage of Shatter, Survivability of a bunker, CC of a Lockdown into one single build (Combinations can differ)

4.) Again we got the most of out of everything. Relfects? Check. Invulns? Check. Blinds? Check. Boons? Check. Burst? Check. Stealth? Check.

StickerHappy.8052:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

I pointed out certain traits to prevent Anet from overnerfing something or nerfing the wrong stuffs. Stop take it personally.

lol. No you didn’t. You have a bunch of complaints on this forum and the PvP forum with no actual feedback or suggestions. You just don’t like mesmers and want your favorite class buffed.

I can see why he does that. Some mesmers here in the forums are in denial. Simple as that. No Wonder top players ignore the forums. LOL.

So by you spouting some facts about esl makes it relevant. Also what Mesmer is represented that’s right helseth 1 per patch and this last had 2. So hasn’t helped your case.

StickerHappy.8052:

Jace al Thor.6745:

StickerHappy.8052:

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Aomine.5012:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

people hate mesmers for same reason why they hated thieves pre patch: burst from stealth…. except mesmers can do it better now, while stacking dazes and actually living way longer than thieves….. and thieves got nerfed so they can’t keep mesmers in check.

That being said, enjoy the bandwagon before you get flooded by QQ and get hit by nerf bat

I would disagree… But standard GS shatter rotation says otherwise. Granted I’ve since moved to a different weapon set that’s more fun. However, the amount of QQ over something that’s been around since… Who knows is what’s sad. Everyone conveniently forgets lots of classes experienced a power creep and blame Mesmer for some l2p issues. Other than PU and CS. Those are different stories.

And you conveniently forget it was impossible to have such combo before the patch too. It is the new mechanic, IN ADDITION to the old one, that makes Mesmer OP.
Excluding any part of it and said it’s there before it’s just silly.

So it was impossible to burst, potentially “one shot”, from stealth pre patch? I’m sure Vashury, Osicat, Guapo, and others would disagree. What’s different now is that the burst is BETTER and if CS is taken more stuns.

You still missed the point.
In the past Mesmer is bursty, but frail and little margin of error.
Now Mesmer is still bursty (in fact, way more bursty), but with alot more margin of error thanks to all the new toys. Stun-lock only make things worse.

And this just puts Mesmer with the rest of the classes. Learn to adapt.

Thank you. People seem to miss this fact. Too often

This is false. Mesmer was powerful pre patch. Only baddies say that Mesmer is in line of the rest of the classes now.

PS: In PvP it was almost impossible to one shot someone pre patch. WvW is a different story, you get additional stats, food buffs, and from what I see in videos, A lot of WvW players are bad, they won’t even dodge an unstealthed mirror blade burst.

Montages are not even woth mentioning as these are nitpicked ideal situations, If you have faced them before in a match or duel then I will take that source as credible.

Yes Sticker Mesmer was strong pre patch. You could hop in unrank and farm baddies all day. Take that same Mesmer into a high tier setting and you would be farmed unless you had a team peel for you.
Post patch that isn’t the case. And that’s fine. Only someone that’s upset that the class got the buffs everyone been asking for and is doing better than expected thus drawing more attention than ever before.
The issue, once you get past damage which a lot of classes have seen increased in varying forms, is that CS works better than Anet imagined when combined with PB. PU is a troll thing to take unless you want to shadow zergs or what not but it boils down to CS. Otherwise Mesmer is fine and realistically actually needs bug fixes and reversions on traits like Chaotic Dampening.

If you are talking about higher tier than the casual pvp (not tourneys) even solo que has higher tier matches. I have been there. No comms but the skill difference is higher than the lower tiered/MMR matches. I assure you, you will not be farmed by a lot of the classes if we are talking about skill.

Only thing you have to be worried before was thief.

Since you are giving me constructive ideas I will talk to you.

1.) The state of interrupt now is broken, why? You interrupt easy as an AA, how many effects do you get? Assuming you trait for it, which you will. PB/CS/CI/BI/Daze/Vuln.
Anyone can do this now. So so called lockdown builds are now a joke. Why again you ask? Just take all those interrupt traits and you get a lockdown build.

2.) High Damage. Not all Classes can get high damage like mesmer does. and Execute it like a mesmer does.

3.) We have gotten a lot of major traits that are build defining base line now. Phantasm build? Yeap 15% phant damage baseline. Mantras? Yeap. Protective Mantras baseline. Shatter? Yeap IP baseline. So any build now can have the damage of Shatter, Survivability of a bunker, CC of a Lockdown into one single build (Combinations can differ)

4.) Again we got the most of out of everything. Relfects? Check. Invulns? Check. Blinds? Check. Boons? Check. Burst? Check. Stealth? Check.

Sounds like cele ele warrior guardian and the rest of the meta. Why can’t Mesmer enter this elite group. The damage is high across the board not only on Mesmer.

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

DaShi.1368:

Aomine.5012:

I pointed out certain traits to prevent Anet from overnerfing something or nerfing the wrong stuffs. Stop take it personally.

lol. No you didn’t. You have a bunch of complaints on this forum and the PvP forum with no actual feedback or suggestions. You just don’t like mesmers and want your favorite class buffed.

I can see why he does that. Some mesmers here in the forums are in denial. Simple as that. No Wonder top players ignore the forums. LOL.

So by you spouting some facts about esl makes it relevant. Also what Mesmer is represented that’s right helseth 1 per patch and this last had 2. So hasn’t helped your case.

Ahmm did you watch the recent ESL? lol. Hasn’t helped my case? That guy was asking why is ESL are good basis. I answered it.

Oh and yes, facts about ESL are relevant. ask anyone. PvP is balanced in top tier. Not casual.

PS: If the top mesmers here had teams (i.e. Rylock) You would see them there. How many rangers do you see again? (just for comparison about the ESL basis argument)

My point was pre patch had 1 Mesmer ur right I suppose if by meaning 0 for ranger but isn’t that grasping at straws at this point.

They both are on the bottom barrel.

denis.9487:

My point was pre patch had 1 Mesmer ur right I suppose if by meaning 0 for ranger but isn’t that grasping at straws at this point.

Weekly ESLs/Academy gaming had a lot of mesmers what are you even talking about. They just don’t win the main event.

For Future Reference:

Crazy El Presidente
Zeromis
Alduin Sorrowsong
Decadencia
etc.

Nnight from Apex was on the recent one. Also pre patch I would imagine since he plays a lot of mesmer.
Mime

PS: A lot of people were also complaining about Backpack’s mesmer considering it was not his main.

StickerHappy.8052:

denis.9487:

My point was pre patch had 1 Mesmer ur right I suppose if by meaning 0 for ranger but isn’t that grasping at straws at this point.

Weekly ESLs/Academy gaming had a lot of mesmers what are you even talking about. They just don’t win the main event.

For Future Reference:

Crazy El Presidente
Zeromis
Alduin Sorrowsong
Decadencia
etc.

Nnight from Apex was on the recent one. Also pre patch I would imagine since he plays a lot of mesmer.
Mime

PS: A lot of people were also complaining about Backpack’s mesmer considering it was not his main.

If by complaining I thought the reference was like old shoutbow. So how is that bad why not let the Mesmer be part of the up cing meta.

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

denis.9487:

My point was pre patch had 1 Mesmer ur right I suppose if by meaning 0 for ranger but isn’t that grasping at straws at this point.

Weekly ESLs/Academy gaming had a lot of mesmers what are you even talking about. They just don’t win the main event.

For Future Reference:

Crazy El Presidente
Zeromis
Alduin Sorrowsong
Decadencia
etc.

Nnight from Apex was on the recent one. Also pre patch I would imagine since he plays a lot of mesmer.
Mime

PS: A lot of people were also complaining about Backpack’s mesmer considering it was not his main.

If by complaining I thought the reference was like old shoutbow. So how is that bad why not let the Mesmer be part of the up cing meta.

It was and It is. It is just underrepresented before since it required a higher skill cap to be played effectively before.

No one is denying the mesmer spot in the meta if ever, some stuff are clearly imbalanced and need to be looked at but some mesmers are still denying it.

PU,CS, etc are the hot topics now because thats the most often being noticed. Give it more time and people will still find more.

How can class specifics be looked at when damage is running so high across the board is my only point of view. Pu is silly really hard to justify in pvp cs needs a tweaking but after damage imo.

denis.9487:

How can class specifics be looked at when damage is running so high across the board is my only point of view. Pu is silly really hard to justify in pvp cs needs a tweaking but after damage imo.

PU hard to justify in PVP? Why because it can’t cap? This is how bad mesmers think (not referring to you)

PU can be effectively used to +1 or burst. In hindsight, thieves play the same role, and why are they in pvp where stealth is their mechanic?

The reason its not used that way is because of the mentality “PU is cheese”, I would use it in the future tho after the changes settle.

Your right. Although thief is more mobile and a broader answer team comp peals

denis.9487:

Your right. Although thief is more mobile and a broader answer team comp peals

Yeap, but again I always say, “how many of us play in a team?” If you are doing casual solo q I couldnt see why this wont work.

We have more AoE than thieves with GS/Staff. You just gave me an idea. Thanks.

Only thing we are missing is the poison field.

Then your confusing viability in hot join to succeeding in a top envirnment. Where do you balance?

denis.9487:

Then your confusing viability in hot join to succeeding in a top envirnment. Where do you balance?

We balance in high tier pvp. But who else determines viability? These “top players”? if I designed a build and its viable for me, then I would not enforce it to be viable to you.

I say break from the norm. If a top player used PU in top tier and becomes successful, I bet you all my gold, it would be meta.

StickerHappy.8052:

denis.9487:

How can class specifics be looked at when damage is running so high across the board is my only point of view. Pu is silly really hard to justify in pvp cs needs a tweaking but after damage imo.

PU hard to justify in PVP? Why because it can’t cap? This is how bad mesmers think (not referring to you)

PU can be effectively used to +1 or burst. In hindsight, thieves play the same role, and why are they in pvp where stealth is their mechanic?

The reason its not used that way is because of the mentality “PU is cheese”, I would use it in the future tho after the changes settle.

I wish people would stop implying that PU is bad in tpvp. PU zerker is EXCELLENT in tpvp. As Stickers says, it’s role isn’t to cap points. It’s to burst people down out of stealth and +1 fights. We’re officially the preferred thief with PU.

I’ll answer by numbers.
1) I think most people have come to realize that CS is a little too strong in its current state. Especially with the synergy it has with other lockdown traits and that a shave to the % and a per target icd in probably in order. However, Lockdown is now a build that isn’t niche. It can be used in top tier play rather than shatter or gtfo being the only build. That in itself is a good thing. Does it mean mesmer as a whole is too strong? No, it just means that one simple shave to CS would fix that problem.

2) High damage. A mesmer in full zerker gear(ammi/runes) can/will put out a lot of damage. However, on the other hand to do so odds are extremely likely you’re running Dueling/Dom/Ill and not running Insp or condi clear so you are going to be very squishy and vulnerable to conditions. (I’ll answer baseline IP, etc later)

3) I see the 15% phant damage baseline as an answer to them being so squishy to AoE. Feel free to disagree but by making it baseline they made it were you can take different traits to increase production of phants, give them distortion, whatever.

Mantra’s? Well not every build is going to be running them and those that do tend to run 1 maybe 2 at a time so I dont feel that its that big an impact.

And finally IP. Arguably the defining mesmer trait. It is a game changer I will give you that. However, I believe that it being baseline was necessary to promote different builds. Condi shatter is better now with it even with the MtD nerf. Phant builds needed it for burst. But they made the CD’s on the shatters baseline. Which I like but probably causes frustration for many.

4) Reflects – traited more than you need but bring it on
Invulns- when traited for signet check. Otherwise Ive not noticed an increase from pre to post patch
Boons- Well. I think Chaos would explain that one better than I could with his boonshare build. But he traits specifically for it so we will check it anyway
Burst- Always had good burst ability but its augmented with traits that capitalize on poor enemy skill usage, or the lack there of.
Stealth- Unless traited there is not any more stealth available post than pre. If a lockdown build goes PU for stealth(I dont see the point of it) then they potentially have 2 longer stealth unless they give up an offhand for torch which is crazy for lockdown.

Thats my thoughts on the matter Stickers. Does CS and PU need a shave? Yes, other than that.. I say let mesmer be.

Jace al Thor.6745:

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Thats my thoughts on the matter Stickers. Does CS and PU need a shave? Yes, other than that.. I say let mesmer be.

DING DING DING!

Anet please stop nerfing everything on Mesmers outside of the single two traits that actually need it.

Sticker makes some good points and certainly it’s worth considering. The problem is, as demonstrated by another person in the thread earlier, people aren’t looking at it and thinking how it could be tweaked to be less effective without destroying the builds or diversity.

People are wanting the 15% baseline buff to phantasms removed yet they don’t think, maybe remove it baseline and add it to the trait so you have to choose to do more phantasm damage. I know PvE mesmers needed that buff.

They’re saying shatter damage does too much damage but very little about it actually changed except IP made baseline and arguably the original shatter trait was stronger as it was 20% regardless. They want it nerfed without thinking, maybe shift the damage onto traits so you have to pick shatter traits to have a strong shatter.

People hate PU but the majority of concerns I keep seeing is with MI and the torch trait. Instead of working out a compromise they just want it back where it was which was a rather lacklustre defensive trait after the boon watering down.

CS maybe a target ICD but that’s not the problem, the problem I see is we have mesmers running mantra, blink, portal for on demand dazes. I’ve heard many things like make dazes have increased cast time which would destroy interrupt play entirely. An ICD per target sounds OK but given the mesmers are running no condi cleanse…why are people not packing a condi user in the team? Perhaps certain conditions like bleed were over nerfed, I know necros feel this is the case being mainly bleed appliers.

However, I still stand by my statement of Anet needs a better handle on direct damage (all are doing insane damage now from even silly things like reckless dodge) and conditions before they tweak bursts and traits.

I think Apharma that while we may disagree and some things we can agree that people are kittens XD
However, to get the strongest shatter possible you already have to pick shatter traits for the % damage increase so people will always complain about Mesmer burst. They always have-always will.
15% phant damage being baseline. See to me that’s a tricky one. In a team fight, PvP or WvW how long do you expect phantasms to last? Not long due to cleave and AoE. So 15% isn’t something to get upset over. A change to that would be give them AoE protection baseline instead and have to spec for the damage. Any build needs to AoE protection whether it’s to shatter or have sustained damage but a phantasm build gets more mileage out of damage modifiers so to me that would be a good trade.
I honestly don’t see anyone complain about the torch trait or MI. It’s always PU this and that. But that just means we see different people XD however bringing PU down to a 66-75% stealth increase would probably be better than 100%. However, if that happened I would like to see might removed and resistance added since it is a defensive boom and defensive trait.
I whole heartedly agree with condi. You can tell someone that Mesmer is weak to condi but for some reason since it happens to disagree with their argument they ignore it O.o
Regardless, it would appease the masses, while keeping the build alive, to give CS s per target cd.

I think the problem is that Mesmer now is a more viable threat to those that played the cele meta and they want to go back to pre patch cele days. That and the patch put a hurt on certain builds like shout bow and a handful of engi builds. But rather than going and trying out new trait lines and combinations the masses would rather nerf a class that really doesn’t need it.

Actually there is a trait in inspiration for distortion on phantasm summon and protection when you activate the shatter, it’s very helpful in WvW. Though protection does very little after a certain point.

Making the 15% baseline actually folded into the trait was just to shut up those people complaining about it tbh as losing that in PvE is a huge loss and most people I see complaining want it removed altogether.

People complain about PU but they keep complaining about permastealth mesmers. The 2 biggest offenders in that are the torch trait and MI, the rest just don’t have the duration or recharge to maintain it. Even then to stay perma stealthed needing 2 utility slots, an elite, 1 offhand weapon, 2 adept major, 1 minor master and 1 grandmaster trait sounds like a pretty hefty price.

I could get behind resistance instead of might and making it +2s stealth for PU, problem to me is people are out for blood on PU because of it’s history. Generally people aren’t wanting balance, they just want mesmers to go back to pre patch where they were easier to kill without having to think more than ctrl T, which is really sad considering you can mow down clones with no repercussion now.

That’s without even mentioning the reasons people keep bringing up and not looking at other classes and how much more powerful their defensive measures and GMs are.

Oh and I wasn’t meaning you or anyone on this page.

I wasn’t saying you, or anyone one on this particular forum, was making unjustified complaints. However, if you go to the PvP forum… Oh my. The amount of QQ there is horrendous.
The thing with distortion on phantasm summon is just like you said, it goes away. And the fact it’s in a much improved inspiration line makes it harder, to me, to take versus other traits. It’s not something I’d ever take compared to things like RI.
And PU is such a niche thing. That’s why I don’t understand the reasoning behind the complaints. It’s either roaming burst(aka thief like but better) in PvP or used as condi in WvW(and camping keeps but that’s fun and if sweeps are done you’ll get caught). So again maybe it’s just me but having played a condi Mesmer before I know I can chose to fight or not. Roaming burst harder to chose, however, squishy as crap and once they blow their load it’s generally gg.
I’m liking the resistance more and more… Hmmm I wonder if we could get Anet behind that.

Cant really tell if mesmer players were just used to fight really hard,which made them skilled,and when the patch gave them the power they need to dominate,they used all the skills they honed while they were “underpowered”.

Or it just got really buffed to a point skill is not required to play it.

could be both aswell.

I think it is because it got buffed too much.

So ppl hate mesmers cause they toped the food chain.They went up from seaweed to shark.

Because mesmers are basically the best profession in the game and require barely any skill to play. I’m a beginner mesmer player and I BARELY have to try and I will win every duel or stalemate it. It’s so easy. Even my wife can’t be killed on her mesmer after she copy pasted my build and it was her first time using it.

Last night my roaming guild ran our usual professions but found it tough because we kept being zerged down. We swapped to a 3 mesmer comp and were unstoppable. I wasn’t worried one bit when I was in a fight. Nothing could pin me down and I can disengage anything I wanted. I can troll around the enemy keeps and spawns and they can’t do a thing. Duels were trivial. I do massive damage and have so much stealth and invulns it’s insane.

There’s no point in running anything else but mesmers at the moment.

EvilSardine.9635:

Because mesmers are basically the best profession in the game and require barely any skill to play. I’m a beginner mesmer player and I BARELY have to try and I will win every duel or stalemate it. It’s so easy. Even my wife can’t be killed on her mesmer after she copy pasted my build and it was her first time using it.

Last night my roaming guild ran our usual professions but found it tough because we kept being zerged down. We swapped to a 3 mesmer comp and were unstoppable. I wasn’t worried one bit when I was in a fight. Nothing could pin me down and I can disengage anything I wanted. I can troll around the enemy keeps and spawns and they can’t do a thing. Duels were trivial. I do massive damage and have so much stealth and invulns it’s insane.

There’s no point in running anything else but mesmers at the moment.

Sadly that’s true
I play a d/d thief (now if anyone comes and wants to tell me thief is op I’ll just leave the forum laughing) and the ONLY way i could manage to kill a PU mesmer was because first of all, he was power based, so i could stealth of his clones to keep me invisible,
but the most important thing was that i put him under constant presure, giving home no time to think or prepare and always on the run, if i had done one mistake, one fail backstab or being revealed to long he would have jsut onehittet me (me having 21k health)
it is almost impossible to beat the PU mesmer atm, since he has an almost limitless amount of counters to every situation.
I don’t want to badmouth the mesmer, pre patch I’d always say gg or nice if a shatter mesmer killed me, because i knew it was hard and that player must have skills on the mesmer, but now, it’s honestly just pathetic, as some on this thread have said, a total noob wins almost every fight without any understanding of the actual mechanics, it’s just pure faceroll…

EvilSardine.9635:

Because mesmers are basically the best profession in the game and require barely any skill to play. I’m a beginner mesmer player and I BARELY have to try and I will win every duel or stalemate it. It’s so easy. Even my wife can’t be killed on her mesmer after she copy pasted my build and it was her first time using it.

Last night my roaming guild ran our usual professions but found it tough because we kept being zerged down. We swapped to a 3 mesmer comp and were unstoppable. I wasn’t worried one bit when I was in a fight. Nothing could pin me down and I can disengage anything I wanted. I can troll around the enemy keeps and spawns and they can’t do a thing. Duels were trivial. I do massive damage and have so much stealth and invulns it’s insane.

There’s no point in running anything else but mesmers at the moment.

Mesmer won some duels surprising lol. Glad you made one and won some duels. Duels are not cause for nerfing. Also Mesmer has improved but if you would have taken a ele/guard the results would have been even better for helping your party. Mesmer has burst but far from those other classes healing condition removal stability sharing on top of damage.

DHawk.2687:

EvilSardine.9635:

Because mesmers are basically the best profession in the game and require barely any skill to play. I’m a beginner mesmer player and I BARELY have to try and I will win every duel or stalemate it. It’s so easy. Even my wife can’t be killed on her mesmer after she copy pasted my build and it was her first time using it.

Last night my roaming guild ran our usual professions but found it tough because we kept being zerged down. We swapped to a 3 mesmer comp and were unstoppable. I wasn’t worried one bit when I was in a fight. Nothing could pin me down and I can disengage anything I wanted. I can troll around the enemy keeps and spawns and they can’t do a thing. Duels were trivial. I do massive damage and have so much stealth and invulns it’s insane.

There’s no point in running anything else but mesmers at the moment.

Sadly that’s true
I play a d/d thief (now if anyone comes and wants to tell me thief is op I’ll just leave the forum laughing) and the ONLY way i could manage to kill a PU mesmer was because first of all, he was power based, so i could stealth of his clones to keep me invisible,
but the most important thing was that i put him under constant presure, giving home no time to think or prepare and always on the run, if i had done one mistake, one fail backstab or being revealed to long he would have jsut onehittet me (me having 21k health)
it is almost impossible to beat the PU mesmer atm, since he has an almost limitless amount of counters to every situation.
I don’t want to badmouth the mesmer, pre patch I’d always say gg or nice if a shatter mesmer killed me, because i knew it was hard and that player must have skills on the mesmer, but now, it’s honestly just pathetic, as some on this thread have said, a total noob wins almost every fight without any understanding of the actual mechanics, it’s just pure faceroll…

Again wonderful Mesmer is hard to duel. Again not balanced around dueling.